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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:28 PM Jun 2019

What we are seeing right now from Elizabeth Warren is nothing short of brilliance

I have been thinking a lot today about how to say this. I'm not too great with word-smithing when I have strong emotions rolling around in my gut.

But Elizabeth Warren is doing something now that seems like it should be so simple but apparently is not because no one does it.

She links the big picture to individual lives.

It seems like it should be easy but I have not heard it like this before. Not even from Obama.

HER VISION FOR AMERICA IS FULLY REALIZED. I need to say that again. HER VISION IS FULLY REALIZED.

She has linked all components -- data, numbers, studies, laws, history, policies, structures, values, beliefs -- and produced a flowing, elegant, profound, brilliant vision that is fully realized and complete in all components and that resonates at the deepest core. From the big idea, to the bottom line nuts and bolts. From the vast role of the federal government, to the daily life of a single working mom.

She sees how all the pieces fit together. She knows where the levers are. She knows how this vast system relates to our most basic and fundamental progressive values. And most importantly - she knows how to express it in a way that not just makes people understand, but that moves them.

We don't try to squeak out our progressive values from an intractable system. WE START WITH THE VALUES AT THE TOP AND MAKE THE SYSTEM SERVE US. We should not live like we are at the mercy of the system. We must MAKE the system that serves us best.

She uses simple words. She uses metaphors. She leads with values. She is authentic. She does all the things cognitive science says are critical for effective communication. But I believe she does it naturally, not as a part of road map she read in a communications book.

It's fine to say let's have voting rights - because democracy!

But she is very far beyond that.

When she tells the family story of her mom going out to get a job when her father was sick, saw how critical it was that that job generate the money to keep her family afloat..... WHO DOES THE GOVERNMENT WORK FOR. A government that sets the minimum wage is a government that determines if a family like hers sinks or swims. If the government doesn't work to help someone like her mother, then who does it work for. "The minimum wage needs to ensure that a mama and a baby can make it."

She may be the one candidate who actually seems to have DONE SOME HOMEWORK to prepare for her run. To have developed her own policies from her own extensive knowledge and heart, and fully realized them from top to bottom. Fully integrated them up and down and across. From vision all the way down to the words of legislation.



The fear I have is that the media - the Chuck Todds, the Mark Halperins, the Ken Vogels, the Maggie Habermans - will treat her like shit while they fawn all over trump and destroy her chance to win. Just like they did to Hillary.


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What we are seeing right now from Elizabeth Warren is nothing short of brilliance (Original Post) EveHammond13 Jun 2019 OP
I used to like Elizabeth Warren RedParrot Jun 2019 #1
trump doesn't debate. he insults, he lies, he smears, he menaces. EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #9
There's a reason Elizabeth has been on my dream ticket since Day 1!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #14
Agree 100% vsrazdem Jun 2019 #15
Liz for Prez Vidal Jun 2019 #32
Has a nice ring to it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #35
I'm for Warren, I'm just too lazy to change my preference BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #2
Right and Might. I like that. EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #3
Me too, lol Vidal Jun 2019 #33
I get it and I love it!! BlueJac Jun 2019 #66
The important thing is not to let herself be knocked off her game. marylandblue Jun 2019 #4
Anderson Cooper likes nothing better than 15-person panel rehashing "Pocahontas" insult without end EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #8
AC is just another lazy fucking moron getting rich selling his soul. pangaia Jun 2019 #11
Lol, Cooper was born rich. cwydro Jun 2019 #24
Which he isn't getting TexasBushwhacker Jun 2019 #51
Picky picky picky. :)))))))))) pangaia Jun 2019 #52
Another Captain Obvious. The media is full of them. Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #28
Getting richer drmeow Jun 2019 #57
i hate those stupid panels of "undecided" attention whores . Just report the fucking facts JI7 Jun 2019 #17
She's very tough Vidal Jun 2019 #34
She is fearless & her outrage is authentic. zonkers Jun 2019 #84
Discussing her would make Chuck Todds, the Mark Halperins, the Ken Vogels, pangaia Jun 2019 #5
yes. EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #7
BTW, If you ever go to Kyoto,,,,,,,, pangaia Jun 2019 #10
how random. I have been there. Ate at many places - names I cannot remember or pronounce. EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #12
At SUSHI IMAI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pangaia Jun 2019 #13
I call Chuck Todd, Numb Chuck... BlueJac Jun 2019 #67
She knows WHY policies matter and she tells you why they matter. Policy not an end in itself. EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #6
Very well stated!! Is Mark Halperin back? Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #16
he is starting to make his way back . probably hopes to be on TV again in time for 2020 elections JI7 Jun 2019 #19
John Holliman True Blue American Jun 2019 #27
Wow never knew specifically what he was accused of..far cry from Franken Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #42
Agreed! B Stieg Jun 2019 #18
She was brilliant at the MSBNC town hall today. SunSeeker Jun 2019 #20
"Brilliant" describes Elizabeth perfectly!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #38
"Authentic" is another good word to describe her. calimary Jun 2019 #58
Authentic is also a perfect descriptor of Elizabeth...while we're at it, I'd also throw in caring... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #64
I loved her too lunatica Jun 2019 #60
Elizabeth Warren is unafraid and will run circles around anyone who tries.. List left Jun 2019 #21
No doubt... Elizabeth could be the most brilliant candidate to ever run for President. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #41
I saw her speak at the CA Dem convention in SF on Saturday and she was fantastic. deurbano Jun 2019 #22
I love her & think she's the best candidate to bring together the Clinton & Sande wings of the party Liberty Belle Jun 2019 #23
Excellent post... well said!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #39
Me too, and the PASSION Brainstormy Jun 2019 #44
I was going to post the same thing. llmart Jun 2019 #62
She could be my MFM008 Jun 2019 #25
Do not listen to the Media True Blue American Jun 2019 #26
She moved to the top of ny list watoos Jun 2019 #29
Joe's lead is already starting to shrink... expect he will evolve on a few issues pretty quickly InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #40
you are a word-smith and you have convinced me. 5X Jun 2019 #30
It has been my opinion rogerashton Jun 2019 #31
Hear! Hear! What you said. Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #36
I think your "word-smithing" is just fine. Thanks. nt Atticus Jun 2019 #37
her focus on mommas and babies is a winner. mopinko Jun 2019 #43
I heartily agree and rec this kcr Jun 2019 #45
Good post. Both Elizabeth and Hillary are major policy wonks, Hortensis Jun 2019 #46
Vote Prosperity Glaisne Jun 2019 #47
People Focused, Data Driven, Reality Based Glaisne Jun 2019 #48
That's what they said about Bill Clinton's comm skills. MGKrebs Jun 2019 #49
This is why she is my top pick Moral Compass Jun 2019 #50
Biggest plus for me. SHE IS TOUGH, She GETS It. Ninga Jun 2019 #53
Got that right!! Tough as nails... there's no fear in Elizabeth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #65
I think you are an outstanding writer and I agree with everything you said except mahina Jun 2019 #54
I don't want to think of her being eclipsed quite yet by a VP EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #76
The responses to your great post are remarkable. hedda_foil Jun 2019 #55
As I've said, BigOleDummy Jun 2019 #56
Yep. Warren 2020 BeckyDem Jun 2019 #59
They Will, As They Have Always Done Me. Jun 2019 #61
Very valid fear. Especially Chuck "bithsider" Todd. Pepsidog Jun 2019 #63
She is brilliant. zentrum Jun 2019 #68
the framing is so key EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #74
She is the real deal bluescribbler Jun 2019 #69
I agree with all you have xxqqqzme Jun 2019 #70
Recommended democrank Jun 2019 #71
I love burrowowl Jun 2019 #72
She persists. Marcuse Jun 2019 #73
Love Warren. She has what it takes! sharedvalues Jun 2019 #75
The media likes Republicans' bumper-sticker mentality. Beartracks Jun 2019 #77
Fantastic Writing! backtoblue Jun 2019 #78
Warren has been my choice from the get go. Miigwech Jun 2019 #79
Her explanation of the wealth tax Lefta Dissenter Jun 2019 #80
Warren is a policy wonk's policy wonk. Whether that makes her brilliant, or a winning candidate, highplainsdem Jun 2019 #81
the beauty is she knows how to tell us WHY the policy is good, what it does in plain words EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #82
too many pols seem to talk about policies and programs as an end in itself EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #83
 

RedParrot

(112 posts)
1. I used to like Elizabeth Warren
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:32 PM
Jun 2019

and now I am excited and enthusiastic about her candidacy. She will turn Trump into mince meat on a debate.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
9. trump doesn't debate. he insults, he lies, he smears, he menaces.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:55 PM
Jun 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
14. There's a reason Elizabeth has been on my dream ticket since Day 1!!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:10 AM
Jun 2019

would be happy as a pig in poop if she took the top spot or the VP slot... Elizabeth is THAT good, yes!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
35. Has a nice ring to it!!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:53 AM
Jun 2019

Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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BeyondGeography

(39,286 posts)
2. I'm for Warren, I'm just too lazy to change my preference
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:38 PM
Jun 2019

I’m tired of seeing Democrats pushed around by Republicans and/or giving up too easily. Warren has the most compelling combination of right and might of any candidate I have ever seen. I’m proposing this as her campaign song:



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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
3. Right and Might. I like that.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:39 PM
Jun 2019
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BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
66. I get it and I love it!!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:26 PM
Jun 2019
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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
4. The important thing is not to let herself be knocked off her game.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:43 PM
Jun 2019

If she just keeps hammering out her message, people will listen. Trump offers distractions and the media always falls for it. But she shows strength and purposefulness when she ignores all that

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
8. Anderson Cooper likes nothing better than 15-person panel rehashing "Pocahontas" insult without end
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:48 PM
Jun 2019
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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. AC is just another lazy fucking moron getting rich selling his soul.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:00 AM
Jun 2019


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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
24. Lol, Cooper was born rich.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:05 AM
Jun 2019

Old, old money.

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TexasBushwhacker

(20,049 posts)
51. Which he isn't getting
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jun 2019

Mom let him know a long time ago that she would be giving her estate to charity and he had to make his own way. He certainly had a good education and connections, but no money from mom.

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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
52. Picky picky picky. :))))))))))
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jun 2019


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Funtatlaguy

(10,856 posts)
28. Another Captain Obvious. The media is full of them.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:38 AM
Jun 2019
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drmeow

(4,996 posts)
57. Getting richer
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:29 PM
Jun 2019

He was born rich!

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JI7

(89,187 posts)
17. i hate those stupid panels of "undecided" attention whores . Just report the fucking facts
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:56 AM
Jun 2019

they are supposed to be a news channel.

why do they need ignorant opinions from attention whores .

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Vidal

(642 posts)
34. She's very tough
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:21 AM
Jun 2019

she won't be knocked off anything.

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zonkers

(5,865 posts)
84. She is fearless & her outrage is authentic.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 01:15 AM
Jun 2019

And she’s up a point on DU. 12%.

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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
5. Discussing her would make Chuck Todds, the Mark Halperins, the Ken Vogels,
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:43 PM
Jun 2019

the Maggie Habermans have to actually use their brains, but they are just too plain fucking lazy.

It's like the owner of a shit restaurant that makes good money. Why work harder to make better dishes if you don't have to?

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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. BTW, If you ever go to Kyoto,,,,,,,,
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:59 PM
Jun 2019

EAT HERE !!!!

SUSH IMAI

Japan, 〒605-0825 Kyoto, Higashiyama-ku, Shimokawarachō, 高台寺門前下河原町482-1 Yasaka Dori
+81 75-561-1010


Imai-san is NOT lazy, Trust me on that..


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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
12. how random. I have been there. Ate at many places - names I cannot remember or pronounce.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:01 AM
Jun 2019
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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. At SUSHI IMAI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:05 AM
Jun 2019
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BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
67. I call Chuck Todd, Numb Chuck...
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:30 PM
Jun 2019

Meet the press is mind numbing and full of hot air!

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
6. She knows WHY policies matter and she tells you why they matter. Policy not an end in itself.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jun 2019
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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
16. Very well stated!! Is Mark Halperin back?
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:50 AM
Jun 2019
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JI7

(89,187 posts)
19. he is starting to make his way back . probably hopes to be on TV again in time for 2020 elections
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:38 AM
Jun 2019
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True Blue American

(17,973 posts)
27. John Holliman
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:57 AM
Jun 2019

Will cut Mark down! And now we have Donny Deutsch to counterpunch!

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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
42. Wow never knew specifically what he was accused of..far cry from Franken
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:01 AM
Jun 2019
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/05/mark-halperin-joe-biden-and-the-moving-on-defense/589153/

Here are some of the behaviors Halperin was accused of in 2017, by several of his former co-workers: propositioning women colleagues for sex. Grabbing one’s breasts against her will. Masturbating in front of another. Pressing his erect penis against another. Requiring one woman to sit on his lap—while his penis was erect—before he would give her the piece of information she needed to do her job. Calling co-workers late at night, with conversations that were sexual in nature and unwanted. One woman said that Halperin had violently attacked her, throwing her against a plate-glass window and pinning her arms to its surface. She also said that, after she rebuffed him, he threatened to ruin her career.

Halperin, CNN reported at the time, denied that he had “masturbated in front of anyone, that he physically assaulted anyone, or that he threatened anyone in the way described in this story.”
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B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
18. Agreed!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:03 AM
Jun 2019

She is impressive but also down-to-earth.

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SunSeeker

(51,379 posts)
20. She was brilliant at the MSBNC town hall today.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:48 AM
Jun 2019

The audience loved her. So do I.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
38. "Brilliant" describes Elizabeth perfectly!!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:16 AM
Jun 2019

Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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calimary

(80,709 posts)
58. "Authentic" is another good word to describe her.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:30 PM
Jun 2019

You can tell she’s ferociously dedicated to healing America.

You can tell she means EVERY syllable of every word she speaks.

I was blown away by her fiery conviction to her ideas and solutions and all the reasons behind them. Impressive!

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
64. Authentic is also a perfect descriptor of Elizabeth...while we're at it, I'd also throw in caring...
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:20 PM
Jun 2019

so that's Authentic, Brilliant, and Caring... the ABC's of what makes Elizabeth who she is!!


Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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lunatica

(53,410 posts)
60. I loved her too
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:43 PM
Jun 2019

I also watched the crowd. In the beginning most of them looked either skeptical or neutral. When she and Chris Hayes were sitting with a group who were able to ask questions every one of them looked like they weren’t going to be taken in by no politician. By the end of the hour they were all visibly relaxed and smiling and even laughing.

When Rachel had Chris Hayes on it showed him still in the full town hall with Elizabeth Warren talking enthusiastically with a group of smiling attendees.

I would love to vote for her if she gets the nomination. She has passion and she has substantive answers and she is very up front about everything. She’s not holding back.

I think that will be carried right into the debates.

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List left

(594 posts)
21. Elizabeth Warren is unafraid and will run circles around anyone who tries..
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:55 AM
Jun 2019

Elizabeth Warren is unafraid and will run circles around anyone who tries to play games with her.

I voted for Hillary but could never quite understand where she stood.
With Elizabeth there is no doubt where she stands. She brings clarity and vigorous enthusiasm.

If she is the nominee I have no doubt she will wipe the floor with Donald D furor.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
41. No doubt... Elizabeth could be the most brilliant candidate to ever run for President.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:25 AM
Jun 2019

She definitely has the best chance ever to break the "glass ceiling." Go Elizabeth!!


Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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deurbano

(2,892 posts)
22. I saw her speak at the CA Dem convention in SF on Saturday and she was fantastic.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:16 AM
Jun 2019

In the brief, allotted time, she quickly and effectively shared detailed plans about the critical issues... and with passion. She also seems more willing than some of the others to just come out and tell the truth with no equivocation.

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Liberty Belle

(9,529 posts)
23. I love her & think she's the best candidate to bring together the Clinton & Sande wings of the party
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:04 AM
Jun 2019

which we sorely need. Hilary voters should love having a strong, smart, articulate and experienced woman capable of making mincemeat out of Trump and Sanders voters find her strong stances against corporations and eagerness to fight for students, the poor and working class people to be suitably progressive--and she connects with a broad range of voters much as Sanders did.

Her sole "weakness" is the Pocahontas label but Trump will come up with an insulting term for anyone the Dems put up against him, so that's really small potatoes. If he slams her over that she should bring up his abysmal record on Native American issues from decimating healthcare to backing destruction of Native American lands with oil pipelines and so forth, and promise that she will respect Native American sovereignty and work to raise tribal members out of poverty, as well as fight for protections of Native American women who are abused at alarming rates.

Leave the dolt standing there slack-jawed.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
39. Excellent post... well said!!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:18 AM
Jun 2019

Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Brainstormy

(2,380 posts)
44. Me too, and the PASSION
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:41 AM
Jun 2019

she brings to all of it is so inspiring.

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llmart

(15,506 posts)
62. I was going to post the same thing.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:52 PM
Jun 2019

She has such passion about serving the people and so much passion about her job. That counts for a lot in my book.

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MFM008

(19,782 posts)
25. She could be my
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:36 AM
Jun 2019

Second choice.

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True Blue American

(17,973 posts)
26. Do not listen to the Media
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:54 AM
Jun 2019

When they start bad mouthing any Democrat my remote works fine!

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
29. She moved to the top of ny list
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:03 AM
Jun 2019

not just for her vision for the future but for her fire, for her fearless attacks on Trump. My choice of candidate must be fearless and right now Warren tops the list with Mayor Pete and Kamala in the mix.

Biden needs to get out of the past or his lead is going to shrink pretty fast.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
40. Joe's lead is already starting to shrink... expect he will evolve on a few issues pretty quickly
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:21 AM
Jun 2019

leading up to the debates.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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5X

(3,971 posts)
30. you are a word-smith and you have convinced me.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:41 AM
Jun 2019

She should hire you.

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rogerashton

(3,918 posts)
31. It has been my opinion
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:16 AM
Jun 2019

that elections are not won on issues and proposals. They are won on trust. Most voters vote for the candidate they most trust to make the right decisions on issues and policy, without prejudging what those decisions will be. And for most of us that is probably a good strategy: after all, they are the "pros from Dover" and we are not.

However!

Warren seems to be making it work. "I've got a plan for that" is a phrase that many politicians have given us. Recall, Nixon had a plan to end the Vietnam war, he said, and the Pubs have a plan to "save social security" -- OK, save it by destroying it, but that's what they say. There is good reason to distrust "I've got a plan for that."

The difference is: Warren delivers. There is no "secret plan." Her plans are clear, complete, and often based on the work of economists who are among the best of the current generation. (That's my professional opinion, and I teach that stuff.) That's not to say I agree with every detail -- I would make the wealth tax rate a bit higher and ... well, never mind.

By making "I've got a plan for that" her leitmotif, and delivering again and again, she is getting attention and -- perhaps! -- building the trust she needs to actually get elected.

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Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
36. Hear! Hear! What you said.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:07 AM
Jun 2019

Love so much of what you've written especially this

She sees how all the pieces fit together. She knows where the levers are. She knows how this vast system relates to our most basic and fundamental progressive values. And most importantly - she knows how to express it in a way that not just makes people understand, but that moves them.

Thank you.

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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
37. I think your "word-smithing" is just fine. Thanks. nt
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:10 AM
Jun 2019
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mopinko

(69,815 posts)
43. her focus on mommas and babies is a winner.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jun 2019

imho, this should be at the core of govt policy.
if we arent taking care of the next generation, and we most certainly arent, then we are on our way to third world status.

i could hang w a platform of socialism for babies and capitalism for adults.

it really does bring into focus what is going on in this country.
her answer about the hyde amendment was just a crusher. i thought she was gonna cry.

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kcr

(15,301 posts)
45. I heartily agree and rec this
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:11 PM
Jun 2019

I was sick after 2016. It took me a while to recover from that. I decided to keep myself reserved this time around and not get as personally invested for that reason, and Elizabeth Warren is making that hard. She is a closer match for me, politically and philosophically. I watch her and listen to her and think, fuck it. It's worth risking the heartbreak. This country needs her.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. Good post. Both Elizabeth and Hillary are major policy wonks,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jun 2019

and I love that in candidates.

Hillary's solutions ranged more broadly and could be big, but were designed to sound reassuringly "within normal," while Elizabeth's tend to be more iconoclastic. Two approaches, but both the kind of people you want in charge of putting a neglected nation in disarray in good order.

That reminds me, the city of Stockton, California has just started its own experiment in a universal basic income. $500/month to 130 residents for 18 months with no conditions to meet beyond allowing themselves to be studied. “We are in a moment where big ideas are important and politically people are ready for them,” Natalie Foster, co-chair of The Economic Security Project.

Interestingly, Warren hasn't stated a position on a UBI, while Hillary has said she regrets she didn't add a UBI to her agenda in 2016. But Warren's the one who has to get elected this time, and she's hardly the only candidate who apparently feels this subject has more weight than lift.

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Glaisne

(513 posts)
47. Vote Prosperity
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jun 2019

Warren 2020!

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Glaisne

(513 posts)
48. People Focused, Data Driven, Reality Based
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:01 PM
Jun 2019

Warren 2020!

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MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
49. That's what they said about Bill Clinton's comm skills.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jun 2019

He always tried to tell an anecdote that would illustrate how whatever idea would affect a normal person.

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Moral Compass

(1,500 posts)
50. This is why she is my top pick
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:53 PM
Jun 2019

I’ll vote for whichever Presidential candidate has a D next to their name.

But Elizabeth Warren has got it going on.

She is talking about programs that would actually change the economic playing field. What she is proposing in great detail would work and, most importantly, is politically possible if the Democrats can get the Senate back.

She isn’t trafficking in vague promises nor is she talking about the impossible.

If the media stops ignoring her and starts attacking her then the game is truly on.

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Ninga

(8,269 posts)
53. Biggest plus for me. SHE IS TOUGH, She GETS It.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jun 2019

She is a fighter.
Damn smart too.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
65. Got that right!! Tough as nails... there's no fear in Elizabeth!!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:23 PM
Jun 2019

Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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mahina

(17,507 posts)
54. I think you are an outstanding writer and I agree with everything you said except
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jun 2019

The part where you said you’re not much of a writer. Aren’t we lucky to have her. I’m grateful she’s running. I sure hope Massachusetts can find a fabulous candidate and keep her seat deep blue, because we need that too.

Who do you like best for her VP?

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
76. I don't want to think of her being eclipsed quite yet by a VP
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:28 PM
Jun 2019

I think she should shine on her own for a good while still.

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hedda_foil

(16,368 posts)
55. The responses to your great post are remarkable.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jun 2019

Supporters of most of the other candidates are giving huge props to Warren, and many seem to be very close to switching their support to her.

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BigOleDummy

(2,260 posts)
56. As I've said,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:16 PM
Jun 2019

in many other posts Ms. Warren is a FIGHTER which is something our party desperately needs in this upcoming election. Smart, well prepared and ferocious …… man what a combination!

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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
59. Yep. Warren 2020
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:39 PM
Jun 2019

She is a great communicator.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
61. They Will, As They Have Always Done
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:45 PM
Jun 2019

Kick the Dem around but it's up to us to fight back

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Pepsidog

(6,252 posts)
63. Very valid fear. Especially Chuck "bithsider" Todd.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:03 PM
Jun 2019
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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
68. She is brilliant.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:42 PM
Jun 2019

Brilliant at teaching. Brilliant at framing. Great values. Just love her.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
74. the framing is so key
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:26 PM
Jun 2019
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bluescribbler

(2,105 posts)
69. She is the real deal
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:04 PM
Jun 2019

I love my senior Senator.

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xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
70. I agree with all you have
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jun 2019

written. What I add is not in any way to treat your words casually.

I have been watching Senator Warren for a while now, Whether deliberate or not - I think not given her life experiences. She is every working mother. She dresses in primary colors, in simple fabrics. nothing fussy or complex. She wears clothes to move with her, clothes for working. No designer dresses or suits. Straight off the rack.

Very little jewelry. Maybe earrings, a watch.

Her hair style is easy care. Run a comb or brush through it, maybe add a barrett, and she is good to go.

No bells and whistles. She has a job to do and this is who she is. I like her. I admire and respect her.

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burrowowl

(17,607 posts)
72. I love
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 08:33 PM
Jun 2019

Elizabeth and her plans!

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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
75. Love Warren. She has what it takes!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:26 PM
Jun 2019
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Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
77. The media likes Republicans' bumper-sticker mentality.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:34 PM
Jun 2019

Like: "If it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker, then it must not be true."

However, it's not written anywhere that simplicity equals truth. (Even Occam's Razor doesn't say that.)

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backtoblue

(11,324 posts)
78. Fantastic Writing!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:42 PM
Jun 2019

You described my thoughts on Elizabeth perfectly!


She explains in plain terms just what's wrong in our country - then gives detailed plans on what can be done to make it RIGHT. How to make things better for us common folk.


Thank you for your words.

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Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
79. Warren has been my choice from the get go.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:56 PM
Jun 2019

Brilliant, energetic, geeky, nerdy, scholarly, positive, experienced, likeable. Maybe not the person you want to have beer with (GW Bush rational), but the sharpest intellect we need to counter and fix trump's destruction.

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Lefta Dissenter

(6,617 posts)
80. Her explanation of the wealth tax
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:56 PM
Jun 2019

was clearer than any I have heard. She’s got it down so she can make people understand that it’s only at $50,000,001 that you start to pay the additional $0.02 in tax. For years, I’ve wanted a candidate or politician to be able to explain it so concisely that any simpleton can understand that she’s not advocating raising taxes on all of the dollars that the high-earners bring in.

See? My explanation of what I liked about her arguments was much more rambling than her explanation of the proposed wealth tax.

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highplainsdem

(48,736 posts)
81. Warren is a policy wonk's policy wonk. Whether that makes her brilliant, or a winning candidate,
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 10:57 PM
Jun 2019

depends on whether you want to elect a policy wonk.

My guess is that she'd be doing better in the polls if more people thought being a policy wonk was an all-important qualification for POTUS.

Because I don't think there is any doubt that she's the policy wonkiest of the candidates. And if there is any doubt, I'm sure she'll come up with a plan to eradicate it...

I like Warren. I just don't think she's as electable as Biden.

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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
82. the beauty is she knows how to tell us WHY the policy is good, what it does in plain words
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jun 2019
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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
83. too many pols seem to talk about policies and programs as an end in itself
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 11:47 PM
Jun 2019

the "end" we are seeking is the value and relevance to people's lives - EW gets it

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