Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumGuess who else voted against federal funding for abortion?
AN EXAMPLE: ELIZABETH WARREN SAYS SHE DOESNT LIKE THE HYDE AMENDMENT Warren told MSNBCs Chris Hayes on Wednesday night that we do not pass laws that take away the freedom from the women who are most vulnerable. Her team tweeted: I will not support any effort to take rights away from women who are the most vulnerable. Its time for Hyde to go. #WarrenTownHall
BUT, OF COURSE, SHES VOTED FOR IT! It doesnt take long to find an example of Warren voting for the Hyde Amendment. Take this bill, which funded a big chunk of the government last year.
IT INCLUDED this language: (a) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for any abortion. (b) None of the funds appropriated in this Act, and none of the funds in any trust fund to which funds are appropriated in this Act, shall be expended for health benefits coverage that includes coverage of abortion.
WARREN voted for this bill twice. So did Michael Bennet, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar, Beto ORourke, Eric Swalwell and others. Bernie Sanders voted no. President DONALD TRUMP signed it into law.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2019/06/06/guess-who-else-voted-against-federal-funding-for-abortion-443667?cid=su_tw_pb
All-caps emphasis is Politico's, not mine.
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katmondoo
(6,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Merlot
(9,696 posts)it was funding for the federal government which included the language.
Warren stated in no uncertain terms her opinion of the hyde amendment.
Politico...headline click bait.
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She voted for both (or everything in the bill).
Now we can say "perfect/enemy/good" or make some other excuses, but a vote is a matter of public record. And for the record, it is not a personal attack.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that Elizabeth was the mythical "Sanders" before he was! Her exciting progressive victories and inspiring calls to action created a large wave of enthusiastic demand across the left, including the Democratic Party's giant liberal coalition, for big progressive solutions and advances.
When she rather tragically decided she wouldn't run, she left a Warren-shaped vacuum that only then Sanders came out of obscurity to try to fill and reshape to his class-warfare ideology. What happened after that is already history and no point dwelling there...
What's happening now, though, is that Warren is running for president and reviving that same hope and excitement she did before! People still want those big progressive solutions by someone who can make them happen. And they're more needed far more now than then even. We have a whole lot of repair and catching up to do.
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Jose Garcia
(2,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)if it didnt pass there would be no Medicaid services st all, including Abortion. Vote for it, no general funding for abortion. Vote against it, no general funding for abortion. There is no moral issue here.
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Jose Garcia
(2,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)an absence of language would not strike down the Hyde Amendment AFAIK.
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Jose Garcia
(2,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Jose Garcia
(2,552 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act
The Fight to End the Hyde Amendment Has Finally Come to the U.S. Senate
https://rewire.news/article/2019/03/13/fight-to-end-hyde-amendment-come-to-senate/
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elias7
(3,976 posts)Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad in large bills. But if it came to voting on that specific policy alone, it sounds like she would vote against it. Biden can be asked the same question and we can see where he stands on it.
And when you only have 10 fingers to lift, you have to pick your battles wisely.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)People like Warren, Booker, Harris see all that will be affected by a vote and then decide to vote. Trading off Meidcaid to make a questionable political point is not something they do. So they comitt to voting yes. Bernie sees there are enough "yes" votes and vote no because he knows Medicaid will not end up being denied to poor people. Bernie's fans go apeshit over his "no" vote, calling that stand principled. They should instead pat people like Warren, Booker, Harris, Gilibrand on the back for insuring poor people get healthcare.
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Indygram
(2,113 posts)Stand with women or GTFO of the way.
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Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tom Rinaldo
(22,911 posts)It's fair grounds for debate. However it is by no means the same thing to vote in favor of a bill that contains hundreds of provisions both good and bad as it is to plainly assert that one specifically supports a controversial provision contained inside that omnibus bill.
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Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)horrible enough for other candidates to have voted for it. They voted for it more recently than Biden. The hypocrisy...
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BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)Most of those complaining loudly had never heard of the Hyde amendment before yesterday. Its just a bludgeon they want to use to help their candidates.
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Spot on.
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Agschmid
(28,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)DU posters definitely seem of an age, for the most part, for remembering the Hyde Amendment. The class-based bias of this approach is well known but reproductive rights issues often get back benched in this political climate, especially when those affected are primarily poor women or women of color.
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BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)It was a spending bill that included many parts, including some parts that a senator may not like. It's done all the time and required if you want to fund anything in the government. No hypocrisy at all.
What this is about is how Warren is coming on strong and Sanders supporters and some Biden supporters are getting nervous.
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Four years ago, I witnessed so many of the same 'true and righteous' Democrats alleging concern in the here and now throw Planned Parenthood under the bus immediately after it failed to endorse their sacred cow in the primaries.
As far as I can tell, today's hullabaloo is but an extension of that same bias, using actual concerns as vehicles for more pretense.
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4now
(1,596 posts)lol
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)In cases like that it is impossible to take something that is objectionable to democrats out because that would insure that NOTHING gets passed. This is how legislating works.
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kcr
(15,300 posts)I thought we were talking about Biden's actual support of the Hyde amendment that he expressed only yesterday.
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Irishxs
(622 posts)during a debate, not everyday gossip.
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JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)And so are most of us, for that matter, with passive consent
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dlk
(11,435 posts)Biden. Watch out for click bait!
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Bradshaw3
(7,455 posts)This was posted a couple of days ago and explained. Legislators vote for spending bills all the time that include parts they don't support. They have to or government wouldn't get funded.
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LibFarmer
(772 posts)Bernie camp is now attacking Senator Warren because she is sucking the oxygen from his support.
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