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babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:58 PM Jun 2019

Watching Elizabeth Warren Come Alive



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/elizabeth-warren-and-the-women-who-love-her.html

Watching Elizabeth Warren Come Alive
After the heartbreak of 2016, she’s making some women believe that a woman could actually win the presidency.

By Dahlia Lithwick
June 06, 20191:48 PM

snip//

Do I worry that Elizabeth Warren isn’t fantastic on the stump? I do. But Warren doesn’t seem to care much about being loved. She cares a lot about explaining where things fell apart. So her campaign goes to tiny blue-collar towns in tiny red states she cannot hope to win, and she talks about opioid addiction with Trump supporters who have never met a presidential hopeful and may never meet one again. The labor here is about connecting the dots more than lighting crowds on fire.

Watching this play out on the trail, I couldn’t help but think of an idea Rebecca Solnit recently explored in a piece about our possible newfound resistance to “great men” theories of governance. Solnit suggests that we may be finally tiring of:

the hero as an attention-getter, a party-crasher, a fame-seeker, and at least implicitly a troublemaker in the guise of a problem-solver. And maybe we as a society are getting tired of heroes, and a lot of us are certainly getting tired of overconfident white men. Even the idea that the solution will be singular and dramatic and in the hands of one person erases that the solutions to problems are often complex and many faceted and arrived at via negotiations.


What Solnit is holding out as the new ideal of leadership is not, by any stretch, exclusively female. But it is an idea less tethered to goose bump–y speeches, or the kind of charisma that leaves an audience thrilled yet unable to recall any idea actually expressed. We’ve now elected two “charismatics” in a row to the presidency, and the model Warren is building, while not lacking in surface polish, surely doesn’t coast on it. Her campaign is less TED talk than graduate seminar. And her “students” become evangelists of her big ideas more than evangelists of her.

I don’t know whether Elizabeth Warren can win the Democratic primary. I’m not yet certain a woman can win at all. A country that is OK prosecuting women who miscarry isn’t really a country I recognize, much less one I can believe in. Worse, I shudder at the implication that Warren, the woman, will do all the grueling legwork of educating voters about corruption, and banking, and unions, and debt, so that some man in a glittering cape might swoop in and charm our socks off next summer.

Women are often told they react emotionally to candidates, while men are meant to admire and appreciate complex policy. Warren is disrupting that paradigm. She leans less on charisma or charm, or even emotion, than on that elaborate PowerPoint she keeps stowed in her head. It’s a different approach from the men out in front of her. A warm and effusive Joe Biden has been coronated the favorite without having to break a sweat. Bernie Sanders has long had some of the most loyal supporters around, in part because he is so unabashedly “himself.”

But the women who come to these early Warren rallies like being addressed by an adult as adults. At a time when America has devalued teachers, empathy, expertise, and planning for the future, Elizabeth Warren serves as one reminder of what we have lost. It doesn’t mean the voters will necessarily throng to her side. It just means that the women I spoke to, and more and more of the women I know, don’t mind being educated about how everything went so terribly wrong in their political lifetimes. Elizabeth Warren can explain it, and has a plan for it, and believes she can fix it. It’s not glittery, and it may not make your heart beat faster in a stadium. But in a world of noise and bluster, her clarity has its own sort of charm.
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Watching Elizabeth Warren Come Alive (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2019 OP
I like her more BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #1
Me, too. stage left Jun 2019 #9
I just got on board. dchill Jun 2019 #12
Can certainly see why... I've been admiring Elizabeth's awesomeness for YEARS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #26
Warren was fantastic in town hall format last night. Cracklin Charlie Jun 2019 #2
When is Elizabeth NOT fantastic?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #27
Superb article BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #3
That's my Senator! sheshe2 Jun 2019 #4
i like her rampartc Jun 2019 #5
She is accomplishing something many politicians only dream of loyalsister Jun 2019 #31
i agree with you rampartc Jun 2019 #33
I don't buy the assumption that a republican would be appointed loyalsister Jun 2019 #34
Warren Is Great Progressive2020 Jun 2019 #6
I love her too. honeylady Jun 2019 #11
Go to the top of the page lunatica Jun 2019 #18
Not a "flocking," but she's just moved up on the DU board into second place! B Stieg Jun 2019 #7
she won a debate scholarship. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2019 #29
Exactly what folks are hungry for after tRump's "personality onslaught"! B Stieg Jun 2019 #30
'Dream Big, Fight Hard' Oakland, May 31, 2019 crazytown Jun 2019 #8
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2019 #10
She's amazing. She is on a strong trajectory. Politicub Jun 2019 #13
Lithwick is usually brilliant Bradshaw3 Jun 2019 #14
Wish it could be her! zentrum Jun 2019 #15
Been a BigOleDummy Jun 2019 #16
Warren speaking wildflowergardener Jun 2019 #17
Nobody in our party can explain economic matters better than Senator Warren. Ligyron Jun 2019 #19
Warren brings it on the economy! n/t uawchild Jun 2019 #28
Just imagine our nation after two terms of an Elizabeth Warren presidency! NBachers Jun 2019 #20
I like Elizabeth more and more and she may well be my favorite on policy and issues. I only wish c-rational Jun 2019 #21
I am certain the Repussians are pushing the "style" nonsense. See my comment below. DemocracyMouse Jun 2019 #23
I agree she's brilliant. But I am also in love with her kind of charm DemocracyMouse Jun 2019 #22
Completely agree. c-rational Jun 2019 #24
People, Warren has done her homework and is refreshingly trustworthy to my mind. DemocracyMouse Jun 2019 #25
She inspired me! bluewater Jun 2019 #32
 

dchill

(38,449 posts)
12. I just got on board.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jun 2019

Been leaning her way for weeks.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
26. Can certainly see why... I've been admiring Elizabeth's awesomeness for YEARS!!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:44 AM
Jun 2019

Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
2. Warren was fantastic in town hall format last night.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:18 PM
Jun 2019

She was dialed in.

I think she’s great!

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
27. When is Elizabeth NOT fantastic?!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jun 2019

Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
3. Superb article
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:18 PM
Jun 2019

Lots of perspective on why Warren is resonating because of who she is and the moment we’re in.

Highly recommend.

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rampartc

(5,388 posts)
5. i like her
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:22 PM
Jun 2019

and it is not that she is not charismatic, but that she is a little wonky. but I like the policy, and we could use a little more consensus building. i'd be quite proud to live in ms warren's America.

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
31. She is accomplishing something many politicians only dream of
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jun 2019

She's drawing boundary lines around what won't be compromised AND building consensus. She is also prepared with policy beyond all expectations and has a confident and accessible personal presentation.
Affable, easygoing wonkishness that doesn't intimidate listeners with technicalities and jargon is not easy to pull off when a person has been deeply focused on legislating.
But, she has risen out of her office into national politics with the strength of institutional knowledge and stronger capacity to translate it into a national platform than long-time congressional leaders (ie. Kerry, Gephardt, Gore, Dole, etc.) have had in the past.

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rampartc

(5,388 posts)
33. i agree with you
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:46 PM
Jun 2019

but remember, if she becomes president or vice president we lose her senate seat to a republican appointee.

no president will be able to function without a dem senate.

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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
34. I don't buy the assumption that a republican would be appointed
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jun 2019

or that the special election that would follow would not return the seat to Democrats. Anything is possible- good or bad. I'm looking at the candidates and I really like what I see in Warren.
I would actually prefer a younger candidate as a practical consideration and am hoping one will break out and adopt some of the same skills and generate as much enthusiasm. She would be a great mentor to a younger candidate. As it stands now, she is my favorite candidate.

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Progressive2020

(713 posts)
6. Warren Is Great
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:30 PM
Jun 2019

Smart, articulate, and prepared. I would vote for her in a heartbeat.

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honeylady

(157 posts)
11. I love her too.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jun 2019

She inspires me with her tremendous energy. She practically leaps onto the stage. I think she could rally a large crowd and get their enthusiasm way up. I really want to change from Mayor Pete to Elizabeth Warren but don't know how to do that here on DU. Can someone talk me through it?

thanks


BTW. I love Mayor Pete. I think he will make a great president 10 years from now. But right now I think we need Senator Warren.

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lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. Go to the top of the page
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:58 PM
Jun 2019

in the blue field where it shows the percentages for each candidate look over to the far right and click on the icon. It takes you to a page where you can change your preference.

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B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
7. Not a "flocking," but she's just moved up on the DU board into second place!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:41 PM
Jun 2019

The upcoming debates will be very interesting.

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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,088 posts)
29. she won a debate scholarship.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:32 PM
Jun 2019

Wikipedia:

"...won a debate scholarship to George Washington University (GWU) at the age of 16."

Can hardly wait. We haven't seen her in a debate yet. And she has a natural inclination not to trash others, but to stick to the subject.

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B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
30. Exactly what folks are hungry for after tRump's "personality onslaught"!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jun 2019

I think she's also one of few who has moved up in the national polls, as well.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
8. 'Dream Big, Fight Hard' Oakland, May 31, 2019
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 04:41 PM
Jun 2019
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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
13. She's amazing. She is on a strong trajectory.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:03 PM
Jun 2019

And every one of her policy proposals are airtight.

I hope she continues to rise.

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Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
14. Lithwick is usually brilliant
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:05 PM
Jun 2019

And she is here again. Perhaps the best synopsis of Warren and her campaign I have seen. The last highlighted line expresses what I love best about Warren. She is a perfect antidote to tRump and the hateful maga worldview.

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BigOleDummy

(2,268 posts)
16. Been a
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jun 2019

Warren fan ….. forever it seems. Smart, up on the issues and by god this woman is a FIGHTER. She's not afraid of the repuglicans OR the current squatter in the WH. Warren/Buttigieg is my own personal "dream ticket". Can you just imagine them on the campaign trail? Bliss

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wildflowergardener

(911 posts)
17. Warren speaking
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 05:57 PM
Jun 2019

Several years ago I bought the audiobook all your worth. Listening to the book and to her really made me feel that my problems could be solved, and helped to simplify a complicated topic - budgeting. There is something about her way of speaking that makes me trust her, and believe she can help, and cares about me, even though she doesn’t know me. I hear the same thing as she talks on different topics. Hopefully others will feel the same way as they hear her speak more. Just listening to that book would make me feel better when I was stressed about money. She had a plan to help me and it did.

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Ligyron

(7,616 posts)
19. Nobody in our party can explain economic matters better than Senator Warren.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jun 2019

What am I saying?

Probably nobody on Earth can explain economic matters and how and why we are being screwed by whom and what needs to be done about it better than she.

I'd be thrilled to have her as our President and failing that, if America just stillisn't up to having a woman in that role, why she'd make a great Vice President as well. The only issue with making her President or VP is what's going to happen with her Senatorial seat and I admit I know nothing about Mass politics or if that would even be a problem.

That aside, Mayor Pete/'Liz Warren or visa versa works great for me.

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uawchild

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28. Warren brings it on the economy! n/t
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 11:18 AM
Jun 2019
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NBachers

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20. Just imagine our nation after two terms of an Elizabeth Warren presidency!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 07:01 PM
Jun 2019
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c-rational

(2,589 posts)
21. I like Elizabeth more and more and she may well be my favorite on policy and issues. I only wish
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:27 AM
Jun 2019

Americans could see past the surface issues. I hear others voice concerns about her voice quality and physical presentation and I am dismayed. I wish we could move beyond that.

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DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
23. I am certain the Repussians are pushing the "style" nonsense. See my comment below.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:36 AM
Jun 2019
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DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
22. I agree she's brilliant. But I am also in love with her kind of charm
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:33 AM
Jun 2019

She has down home charm. Cinnamon charm. The charm of those who know the score and passionately want to show PRECISELY how the system is rigged against us. Biden doesn't really seem to get a lot of things and I've even had the opportunity to share info with his somewhat behind-the-times policy people. Warren has been doing her homework and is glad to share it. I TRUST her for all that.

And trust is the best personality trait of all. She totally has the personality thing nailed. She's trustworthy and best of all, she earns our trust. It's not a charade. She's got brains like Bill and Barack and Hillary – but the working person's special intuition. She gets the rigged system in her gut, not just her head.

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DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
25. People, Warren has done her homework and is refreshingly trustworthy to my mind.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 10:41 AM
Jun 2019

Trust is hard won, and she's got mine. That trustworthiness is the most critical component in a candidate's personality. All the style commentary is bunk. It's being pushed by Republicans, the least trustworthy can o' beans this side of the Rockies.

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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
32. She inspired me!
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 04:10 PM
Jun 2019

to actually join DU! I have been a long time reader, but decided that it was worth signing up just to say how much I respect Sen. Warren

I think she's exactly what we need in 2020

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