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No woman elected or running in US *d*emocratic system dodged the draft. (Original Post) Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 OP
Are you picking on JB??? 4139 Jun 2019 #1
Better not DownriverDem Jun 2019 #2
What does "draft dodging" have to do with Biden? uawchild Jun 2019 #6
Many men thought it a moral imperative not to fight in an immoral war. dawg day Jun 2019 #3
Yes. Though technically there was no draft, men did have to register for Selective Service. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #7
"dodged the draft" uawchild Jun 2019 #4
At least one voluntarily enlisted. LakeArenal Jun 2019 #5
Not really making much of a point except of course contrast with Cadet Bone Spurs. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #8
Seriously, do not bring the draft into this. It was a pernicious system -- dawg day Jun 2019 #9
Women weren't/aren't part of a draft pool.....I don't get the OP? AncientGeezer Jun 2019 #10
 

4139

(1,893 posts)
1. Are you picking on JB???
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:06 AM
Jun 2019

That’s not nice!

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DownriverDem

(6,227 posts)
2. Better not
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:17 AM
Jun 2019

Most Americans have not served in the Military. What is the point of this? My focus is to beat trump.

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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
6. What does "draft dodging" have to do with Biden?
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jun 2019

I don't get your point. Was that some sort of innuendo?

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dawg day

(7,947 posts)
3. Many men thought it a moral imperative not to fight in an immoral war.
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jun 2019

There really is a difference between Bill Clinton, fighting against the war and against the draft, and Trump, who bought his way out and didn't care about others.

No one born after 1953 had a draft to avoid. I don't think there's any value in secondguessing the decisions of 18 year olds 50 years ago. It was a very complex time, and unless everyone here has some way of proving how they would have behaved in 1968, it isn't really a good idea to criticize Biden or Sanders.

Yes, it's complicated, and i know nuance is dead. So just to appeal to pure politics, remember John Kerry. Medal winner who led veterans against the war AFTER his service... can't get any more morally right maybe... and he was vilified as a liar and coward by the GOP. Don't give them ammunition to go after the men Trump's age. There is no way to win a dirty war with the GOP. Don't start just to score some points against another Democrat.

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Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
7. Yes. Though technically there was no draft, men did have to register for Selective Service.
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jun 2019

President Ford's own son had failed to register.

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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
4. "dodged the draft"
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:26 AM
Jun 2019

Woah! That brings back memories...

I remember when "draft dodgers" was a right-wing Republican talking point.

General "Bone-spurs" Trump changed that for us, eh? lol

People got deferments for all sorts of things, marriage, school... but the one that bothered me personally was the bogus medical deferments like Trump got. That was such a rich/connected person's scam back then.

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LakeArenal

(28,810 posts)
5. At least one voluntarily enlisted.
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jun 2019

So I guess I don’t understand your point. We’re not drafted. I never had to dodge or worry for myself. But my mom did everything she could to keep my brother from going (she did). My husband was lucky in the draft lottery with a high number.

Any woman was free to enlist however. Is that some sort of reflection on those that didn’t?

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Bernardo de La Paz

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8. Not really making much of a point except of course contrast with Cadet Bone Spurs. . . . nt
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jun 2019
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dawg day

(7,947 posts)
9. Seriously, do not bring the draft into this. It was a pernicious system --
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jun 2019

that put a million young men every year into a war, and also made it not just possible but acceptable for the US to invade and try to destroy a small country.

The 50s and the 60s, young men were forced against their wills to join into an unjust war. There was literally no good response to this-- you got drafted and became part of the war effort, you resisted and became a felon. That was part of the evil logic-- force young men, especially the poor and men of color-- to risk their lives in furtherance of American hegemony-- thereby (unsuccessfully, fortunately) stopping, so they hoped, the movement towards greater civil rights and personal freedom those young men might drive.

Women didn't have to dodge the draft because they weren't allowed to be drafted (still aren't required to register). Of course, that was used to hold women in the military back.

Lamentable time. Good music, bad politics. Let's just leave it in the past-- celebrate the great moments and learn from the mistakes.

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AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
10. Women weren't/aren't part of a draft pool.....I don't get the OP?
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jun 2019
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