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question everything

(47,474 posts)
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:22 PM Jun 2019

Poor Sanders

He is on the cover of TIME magazine and he is having problems with emotions. With "opening up" with telling about his childhood.

https://time.com/longform/bernie-sanders-2020/

In these days of Oprahization, when every public figure has to tell all, weep, hug, remember miserable childhood memories, he just does not have it. Not he, like Bill Clinton and Biden and others, to spontaneously cross a yard, or get out of a stage to hug a weeping constituent.

No, he prefers to be reserved. Dare I say keep stiff upper lip.

I really sympathize with him and, frankly, for people close to him to try to change him, he will just appear very disingenuous. Not sure, do we get similar "opening up" from female representatives?

Besides the senators from Iowa and Arizona who recently told about their assault in the military..

My sympathies, really.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Poor Sanders (Original Post) question everything Jun 2019 OP
huh ? JI7 Jun 2019 #1
Learning to be personal question everything Jun 2019 #3
I have no sympathy nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #2
Agree. cwydro Jun 2019 #4
No publicity is bad if they spell your name right. SkatmanRoth Jun 2019 #5
Bernie's done a pretty good job of floundering lately. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #15
... betsuni Jun 2019 #6
The author of that piece called Bernie a civil rights "leader" on MSNBC yesterday. Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #7
Well he did endorse Jesse Jackson in 88. comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #11
This is true. But that hardly qualifies him to be a "leader." Kahuna7 Jun 2019 #13
It's his signature civil rights accomplishment second only comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #14
:) I'm unclear: Are you being sarcastic, as I initially assumed, Hortensis Jun 2019 #8
Not sarcastic. Only observing question everything Jun 2019 #17
First Bernie was too "rich", now he's "poor". aikoaiko Jun 2019 #9
Oh, the good old whatabout it. It was observation but if you feel slighted, well.. question everything Jun 2019 #18
You're really bad at determining motives. Please proceed. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #21
Some of us "undecideds" are waiting for the debates. earthshine Jun 2019 #22
Maybe if he started eating salads with his comb he'd be seen as more approachable. jalan48 Jun 2019 #10
Read #18, above question everything Jun 2019 #19
I thought the article was a good piece of writing Politicub Jun 2019 #12
Agree it was positive. But being personally tired of all the "opening up" question everything Jun 2019 #20
he probably agrees that he would come off as phony KayF Jun 2019 #16
The Time story was not favorable Gothmog Jun 2019 #23
 

question everything

(47,474 posts)
3. Learning to be personal
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 10:32 PM
Jun 2019

As one staffer explained, Sanders is “assigning an emotion” to the rigging. He is, in this and other ways, learning to be personal.

That new focus was evident this spring in a less familiar event format for Sanders: intimate, almost confessional town halls. A panel of three or four ordinary citizens would share stories of their hardships, and others in the audience would share their own tales, and Sanders would respond with a mix of awkward sympathy, synthesis of their situations and his stump speech.

As these stories and emotions poured in, they landed on the shoulders of a man who is, depending on whom you ask, a person of great empathy or a gruff curmudgeon. “I think everybody thinks I’m very somber and very angry and very, very serious,” Sanders told me in Ohio, “which is half true.” Faced with these testimonies of struggle, Sanders doesn’t usually do what other leaders do in our therapeutic culture: doesn’t hug people, tell them he feels their pain, ask follow-up questions about how the family is doing. What he does with their pain is analyze it; contextualize it; connect it to laws and agencies and instances of greed they may not know about; and offer it back to them as steaming, righteous, evidence-based anger. People tell him of the bill they can’t pay that keeps them awake, and he tells them that the chief executive of the local insurance company makes however-many million. Throwing percentages at them like little darts, he gives them the statistics that might explain their pain, gives them a thesis to connect the dots of their lives. He teaches them to look at themselves in a new way—systemically.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
4. Agree.
Sat Jun 8, 2019, 11:10 PM
Jun 2019

It’s difficult to feel sympathy for those with no empathy.

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SkatmanRoth

(843 posts)
5. No publicity is bad if they spell your name right.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:39 AM
Jun 2019

Senator Bernie Sanders is getting his name out there while some other potential nominees are floundering.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
15. Bernie's done a pretty good job of floundering lately.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
7. The author of that piece called Bernie a civil rights "leader" on MSNBC yesterday.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:45 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
11. Well he did endorse Jesse Jackson in 88.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
13. This is true. But that hardly qualifies him to be a "leader."
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:32 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,144 posts)
14. It's his signature civil rights accomplishment second only
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:38 PM
Jun 2019

to being in the audience for MLK's I Have A Dream speech.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. :) I'm unclear: Are you being sarcastic, as I initially assumed,
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 08:11 AM
Jun 2019

or are you offering a surrogate emotional "opening" for him? If the latter, your sympathy is noted. If the former, .

I'll personally do without "oprahization" in any of my candidates for high office, but it's likely that engaging in it signals a campaign is not doing well. In any case, I think very poorly of Sanders, but not for being bad at this particular thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,474 posts)
17. Not sarcastic. Only observing
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:00 PM
Jun 2019

and, like you, I can do without oprahization. There was a book written last year, don't remember the name, detailing the damage to our society by her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
9. First Bernie was too "rich", now he's "poor".
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:35 AM
Jun 2019

At least he's still getting your attention.

What's Amy up to these days? Haven't seen her.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

question everything

(47,474 posts)
18. Oh, the good old whatabout it. It was observation but if you feel slighted, well..
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jun 2019

At least I stand up to be counted. You are hiding behind the "undecided." Waiting for the nominee to be declared and to shout: I knew about it, was behind him/her from day one.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
21. You're really bad at determining motives. Please proceed.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:24 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
22. Some of us "undecideds" are waiting for the debates.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:18 PM
Jun 2019

Some democrats need to fall in love, and they do so easily, and create a lot of drama in the process.



Bernie doesn't need your sympathies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jalan48

(13,860 posts)
10. Maybe if he started eating salads with his comb he'd be seen as more approachable.
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:09 PM
Jun 2019

Last edited Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:31 PM - Edit history (1)

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
12. I thought the article was a good piece of writing
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jun 2019

And doesn't reflect negatively on Sanders. Anyone who follows the primaries knows that Sanders sicks to his political message and only dips into personal stories if they support his message.

In this day and age, we want to know about the personalities of the people who will occupy the highest office in the country. I know I want to know as much as possible about folks. I felt like we got to know Obama and his family in the lead up to the primary.

When Klobuchar speaks about how her upbringing and alcoholic father informs her views, she becomes more human. It's like that with all of the candidates. Those small anecdotes say a lot about someone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,474 posts)
20. Agree it was positive. But being personally tired of all the "opening up"
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:05 PM
Jun 2019

I found it interesting that not opening up can cast a negative shadow.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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KayF

(1,345 posts)
16. he probably agrees that he would come off as phony
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 03:21 PM
Jun 2019

but his advisers must think otherwise.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,152 posts)
23. The Time story was not favorable
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:33 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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