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Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:17 AM

 

Biden isn't "delusional." It's called campaigning. It's called politics.

Everyone needs to look at what he does and all of the candidates through the lens of running a political campaign, not our own personal thoughts on whether or not Republicans will change once trump is gone.

In this case, Biden loses nothing for expressing what is essentially a positive aspiration for the country (in the GOP working with a future Democratic president), but gains support from voters who want that.

It doesn't matter that it's unlikely that the GOP will change, that's NOT the point.
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Reply Biden isn't "delusional." It's called campaigning. It's called politics. (Original post)
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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:24 AM

3. No, it's not, it's called campaigning to all voters. Jesus Christ. Wow.

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:41 AM

8. "The base" is not the ultra left wing

 

The base is center-left
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:12 PM

14. I'll ask again, who are the ultra-left?

 

Who is representing ALF or ELF or any other extreme left group? The base should be Democrats, not gopers.
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Response to dogman (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:16 PM

16. Who is the base?

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:36 PM

35. I would hope Democrats.

 

Not gopers.
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Response to dogman (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:25 PM

64. I'll ask again.. Wherever did you get that

 

idea, dogman? It doesn't make any sense.
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Response to Cha (Reply #64)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:52 PM

81. Crickets....

 

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:41 PM

54. The base is any Democrat from center to left of center as long as they vote

 

for a Democratic President even if the candidate doesn't align 100% with their position.

Ultra left would trash a Democratic presidential candidate it they did not support all their positions 100%.
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Response to dogman (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:18 PM

29. The ultra-left are the ones who threw John Lewis under the the bus.

 

The ultra-left are the ones who threw John Lewis and Planned Parenthood under the the bus years ago when they were no longer politically convenient to the ascension of sacred cows.

The base however, is and continues to be, Democrats.

Easy-peasey, George and Wheezy.
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:26 PM

34. Great answer!! nt

 

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Response to dogman (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:38 PM

53. I guess the Ultra Left is extreme huh?

 

the >70% that support medicare for all
the > 95% that support gun background checks
the > 80% that support Green New Deal

on and on and on - wow, the country is ultra-left I guess. Woundn't know it by some candidates or the corporate media.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412545-70-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/421765-poll-majorities-of-both-parties-support-green-new-deal
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Response to Locrian (Reply #53)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:43 PM

55. Here's a definition of "ultra" :

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=ultra+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS725US725&oq=ultra+definition&aqs=chrome..69i57.4536j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

1. an extremist.
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Response to George II (Reply #55)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:41 PM

61. And... BOOM!!

 


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Response to George II (Reply #55)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:13 PM

67. So.....70% to 90% of Americans are left wing "extremists"?

 

And the 10% to 30% that disagree with those poll positions are the "moderates"?

If you also agree with that majority in those polls, does that make you an "ultra extremist" too? Someone that dares to want what every other western democracy has? (Don't worry, your secret is safe with me)
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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #67)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:42 PM

69. Where do you come up with that? First, those are only three cherry-picked issues...

 

...there are dozens of issues about which Democrats are concerned.

Second, I don't think those % are accurate.

If your premise were correct, inasmuch as about 20% of all Democrats own guns, does that mean 20% of all Democrats are right wing extremists?
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Response to George II (Reply #69)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:09 PM

70. Where? subtracted from the percent that wants those things

 

There are dozens of issues, but those are important ones no?

YOU don't think those % are accurate? Well, hard to argue with someone that simply refuses to believe multiple polls in front of their face.

I don't quite follow your math in the last statement you made. 20% of Democrats own guns so that means I am saying 20% of Democrats are right wing extremists? That's quite an assumption saying that every gun owner, even a Democratic voting gun owner, is automatically AGAINST sane gun control laws. I'd think that that 20% against those laws would be for the most part made up of Republicans. I'm sure there are a few Dems in there, there always is. But its quite a stretch to assume every gun owner, even Dems, are against sane gun control laws.

Hey you're the one that called the majority of Americans "extremist", if you can believe the polls. And it seems rather convenient to simply cry "fake news" about those polls.

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Response to dogman (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:18 PM

63. The Democratic Base is Actually our African

 

American Voters.. especially WOC, dogman.

Whatever made you think "gopers" would be? .. that doesn't make any sense at all.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:22 PM

32. Same thing was said in 2016

 

'nuff said.
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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:02 PM

41. It takes a small percentage to swing an election

 

The real base DID vote for Democrats in 2016.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:04 PM

43. And we lost...

 

If I'm not mistaken.
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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #43)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:07 PM

46. Yes ... and the reasons are well-known

 

what you call "base" was blamed by many. The word on the street was to defeat Hillary so the pure candidate will have another shot.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #46)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:11 PM

47. That same word will be there on the street times ten

 

if Biden keeps saying that the Republicans, who are tearing down our democracy, are basically good people who will do the right thing without Trump.

Sure doesn't make me want to jump on the Biden bandwagon.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:56 PM

40. The "base" are the ones who ALWAYS VOTE and who are LOYAL to the Democratic party...

 

The "base" are the ones who ALWAYS VOTE and who are LOYAL to the Democratic party, and Democratic candidates. They also register as Democrats, they volunteer, they hit the pavement, the canvas, they call, and they donate.

There is a common misconception that "base" is another way of describing the most-pure and most-left liberals. That's simply not true.

Sadly, the voters who are furthest left often sit-out elections for various reasons... and when people don't vote for the Democrat... when people don't support the Democratic party, well... that just makes it easier for the GOP to steal elections.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:03 PM

42. +1000

 

Very well put
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:20 PM

49. +1000

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Amy Klobuchar

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 03:48 PM

59. Bingo

 

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:58 PM

74. All of this

 

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Beto O'Rourke

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:23 AM

2. A lot of all the candidates ideas are ideals

 

that we aim for. There are going to be misses, but if we don’t aim we will never hit the targets.
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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:20 PM

50. Well put, LakeArenal.

 

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Amy Klobuchar

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:25 AM

4. This isn't Joe's first rodeo.

 

He knows very well how to frame his campaign themes, and he knows that most people would prefer politics to be less acrimonious and more cooperative. The actual fact that the GOP are for the most part hostile and uncooperative isn't important; what's important is the aspiration for collegial politics. He sat through eight years of the GOP throwing sand in Obama's gears every chance they got; he knows very well that they're a bunch of dicks, and he doesn't intend to be rolled by them. He is expressing the wish that dealing with them like grownups would be possible.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:26 AM

5. It is an inane criticism. Not one candidate campaigns they will not try to work with everyone

 

if they are President

If you want to argue against someone on various issues that is one thing, but argue against someone who says they will try to work with everyone, republicans, Democrats, independents, is just plain silly
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

6. Exactly! What is he supposed to say, if elected I vow to NOT...

 

work with republicans? While there are some saying that this season, likely just because Biden said he would, I've never heard it before.
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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:23 PM

18. It would be nice not to praise Dick Cheney, for starters

 

Former vice president and current 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden was hit with criticism Thursday over a 2015 video showing him offering nuanced praise for Dick Cheney.
...
"First of all, I really like Dick Cheney for real. I get on with him, I think he's a decent man..." Biden said, in a discussion regarding advice between vice presidents.
...
But Biden's comments regarding the deeply unpopular Cheney irked many progressive and liberal factions of the Democratic Party who have long criticized Biden as an "old guard" corporate moderate.

"This is a problem. A decent man doesn't mislead a country into a misguided war that kills thousands of American GIs and leads to the deaths of hundreds of thousands civilians," wrote Mother Jones' David Corn Thursday.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-likes-dick-cheney-praise-war-criminal-walter-mondale-vice-president-1413456
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Response to uawchild (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:27 PM

20. You should talk. Cory Booker, my senator, routinely praises people

 

you wouldn't expect. He's a regular, Mr. Rogers.
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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:05 PM

44. Unless of course Cory Booker is a red herring

 

I have never seen the Cory Booker supporter posting one positive message about Cory Booker.

All I have seen is anti-Biden posts and screeds.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:55 PM

56. Sanders((((Cough)))

 

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #56)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:14 PM

78. ummmm

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses
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Response to EvolveOrConvolve (Reply #78)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:22 PM

79. Well, ya learn something new every day.

 

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Response to EvolveOrConvolve (Reply #78)

Fri Jun 14, 2019, 11:17 AM

80. Ummm

 

Mine has 4 on one side. But nice reach!

I’d be more worried about Bernie tanking and ceding second place to Warren than lame attempts at implying other DUers are anti-Semitic if I were you. It’s really going south for him.
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Response to LibFarmer (Reply #44)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 03:46 PM

58. +1, I was surprised by the same divisive message from Booker's

 

campaign that we’ve only seen with one other campaign—the constant diversion tactic that “progressives” are superior Democrats. I’ve never seen Booker’s campaign use those divisive tactics.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #58)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:47 PM

62. Because Cory Booker is a centrist nt

 

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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:25 PM

19. I don't have a problem with him saying he'll work with Repubs.

 

That's politics. However, he should probably save that for the general election (assuming he gets the nod). Dem primary voters don't want to hear that.

And he should definitely STOP saying shit like "Mike Pence is a decent guy".
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Response to progressoid (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:18 PM

30. I agree, but doubt

 

his campaign team is focused on the opinions expressed on DU.

The Republicans will circle the wagon and vote for reelecting the monster they created. Perhaps Biden is focusing on winning the General election, counting his chickens?

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:38 AM

7. Aspiration is helpful only if it's based on reality. Obama had reason for aspiration. But we learned

 

or should have, what the real rethug agenda is, and it is most decidedly NOT playing fairly and honorably.

Reid also famously believed that McConnell wasn’t being serious when he announced his caucus’s main goal.
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Response to JudyM (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:51 AM

10. Not true, most every new president says things on election night or at inaugeration that

 

won't come to fruition, but they make the statements of unity. Trump didn't of course, but most do and did.
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Response to themaguffin (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:13 PM

15. So bullshit as a strategy is ok with you? On such a key issue, we can't wave a wand and wish away

 

the hardcore reality of obstructionism. It is KEY to have a strategy to combat that, so Dem voters deserve more than platitudes on this subject.
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Response to JudyM (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:17 PM

17. It's not bullshit. It's an appeal. You clearly haven't read what I wrote.

 

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:27 PM

21. Thought I did. Are you suggesting that he is not putting this out there as his intended strategy?

 

He seems to be saying it as a campaign theme. Not as a post-election unifying aspiration. Big difference.

Maybe the word bullshit was too strong... is whitewash better?

I will vote for him if he is our candidate but I have to say that his glossing over the key issue of obstruction - as if it will magically dissolve when trump is gone - has lost him any chance of getting my vote in the primaries.
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Response to JudyM (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 03:52 PM

60. You mean like a cynical "strategy" that a primary is "rigged"

 

against a certain candidate? That seems like bullshit, too, but some actually run on that. Can you believe that junk?
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Response to JudyM (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 09:45 PM

73. Bullshit is a great strategy....

 

.... as far as I am concerned.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:43 AM

9. Some are furious that

 

Biden is not angrily waving a pitchfork in his right hand and a lit torch in his left.

Biden is saying "forget about the revolution" which makes certain candidates and their supporters angrier than they start out with.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:55 AM

11. Seeing a pattern

 

It's seemingly OK to bash Joe Biden as old, our of touch, wrong ideas etc.. But none of the other candidates. How about positives about one's chosen candidate, and not trying to speak ill of the others?
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:01 PM

12. Yes it's politics but it's also about as sincere as when Repubs send their "thoughts and prayers"

 

after the latest national tragedy.

Surely Joe Biden knows that hell will freeze over before any Republicans in this day and age are ever interested in working with him, but if it's a political move that works for him and one that doesn't do any harm to Democrats, then it shouldn't be a big deal.
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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:23 PM

33. Biden may be able to pick two or three off

 

but not enough for sixty.
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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:12 PM

48. How do you know that Biden knows that?

 

He was in the Senate for 36 years, he is experienced in how it used to run and has personal friendships there. I'd expect someone like that to think that the Senate still can run the old way and that's exactly how he sounds. You and I happen to think he is wrong, but I don't assume he secretly agrees with us when he says the opposite.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:11 PM

13. I agree.

 

K&R
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:30 PM

22. Biden has been in office since a time when Democrats and Republicans could and did work together

 

to get things done. It's called compromise. Each party gives up a little until they reach a point that each side finds acceptable even though neither side got exactly what they wanted.

The highly polarized politics today result in either getting nothing done or one party steamrolls over the other party. It's no way to govern the country.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:32 PM

23. Haven't virtually all the candidates said they'll work with the GOP?

 

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:41 PM

24. He claims to KNOW that the GOP will suddenly be cooperative with Democrats once Trump is gone.

 

He backs up that claim by saying he had private conversations with 12 Repub colleagues after McConnell blocked Merrick Garland's nomination and they had "concerns." He is implying a knowledge of and a chumminess with the GOP that the other candidates don't have.

That's a hell of a lot more than voicing an aspiration for the country! I personally think he DOES believe it, that it's only his own wonderful self that will generate this sea change in Republicans. He's a salesman at heart, and this is the thing he's hard-selling to voters.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 12:59 PM

25. The concern is he actually believes it

 

Obama believed it for at least 6 years. HRC warned Obama and KNEW they wouldn't openly work with her. She knew that she'd have to force them to. Remember "triangulation"? That was Clinton cornering the GOP in their own rhetoric. It wasn't really compromise as much as trapping them.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:05 PM

26. Recommended.

 

One can hope, but one must also be realistic.

At this point, the GOP shows no sign that they actually believe in a 2 Party system.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:07 PM

27. Yea let's not stick a hand out to

 

A party that is doing a fine job destroying itself to the benefit of all of us. They are all as guilty as trump, they all need to be replaced. They don’t get to flip when trump leaves.
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Response to TheSocialDem (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:37 PM

36. It's not about that. At. All.

 

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:05 PM

45. There is no working with this current

 

Crop of GOP filth. The sooner people understand that the sooner we can climb out of this dumpster fire
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Response to TheSocialDem (Reply #45)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:09 AM

75. +1 n/t

 

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:12 PM

28. Reaching out to republicans is one thing

 

Believing and operating under the assumption that they will see the light is another.
Democrats worked with Bush after republicans impeached Clinton. Clinton had even found some common ground with that spiteful bunch of republicans. Before that, Tip O'Neill and Reagan trumpeted their abilities to work together.
What it came down to was throwing poor people under the bus. Getting tough on crime and dismantling the social safety net. Workfare under Reagan, "ending welfare as we know it" under Clinton.

Obama did his best to find some bipartisan cooperation by taking steps in the conservatives direction on further damaging social programs to no avail.

The take away for me is to wonder exactly what Joe means. Did we just not go far enough to the right when it came to damaging the lives of poor people, as working class people bought into the lie of their privilege with the belief that they are morally superior because they have a job?
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Response to loyalsister (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:50 PM

39. +1

 

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:32 PM

65. +1,000 n/t

 

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 08:59 AM

66. It's not about believing it. It's an aspirational thought that many GE voters long for.

 

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #66)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:01 PM

72. The translation of that aspirational thought to action

 

Has been for Democratic policy makers to walk the talk and take steps towards conservatives rather than getting them to move even the tiniest bit to the left.
If past is prologue, I have good reason to be suspicious of his intentions and what kind of potential damage he won't mind inflicting to get things done.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:21 PM

31. It's a GE strategy in the primaries

 

The sign on a confident campaign that is on top of its polling. Time will tell.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:43 PM

37. Think He Somehow Believes It

 

I saw him say that, he wasn’t being whimsical, he seemed convinced of it, not sure why.

I understand his fans trying to defend him but it is what it is.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 01:46 PM

38. It wasn't that long ago we were calling them Deplorables and voters we shouldn't waste time

 

on trying to get their votes. Something must have changed.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:27 PM

51. Thanks, maguffin.

 

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:36 PM

52. I think the "delusional" thing was...

 

… a mistake. However, Biden's baiting Trump and getting the cameras on his own speech was brilliant. It was a much bigger win than the loss...

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:57 PM

57. Words matter. They matter is Joe says them, or Bernie, or Elizabeth, or Kamala...etc

 


It's called politics.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:37 PM

68. Bingo. Now down the rabbit hole with

 

Common sense.
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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:19 PM

71. K&R

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:14 AM

76. K&R

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Kamala Harris

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Response to themaguffin (Original post)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 09:19 AM

77. That's exactly right.

 

People are either completely ignorant as to how politics work or are deliberately not getting it because they want to tear him down. The one can be remedied, the other could really hurt us as it did in 2016.
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