Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden isn't "delusional." It's called campaigning. It's called politics.
Everyone needs to look at what he does and all of the candidates through the lens of running a political campaign, not our own personal thoughts on whether or not Republicans will change once trump is gone.
In this case, Biden loses nothing for expressing what is essentially a positive aspiration for the country (in the GOP working with a future Democratic president), but gains support from voters who want that.
It doesn't matter that it's unlikely that the GOP will change, that's NOT the point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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themaguffin
(3,805 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)The base is center-left
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Who is representing ALF or ELF or any other extreme left group? The base should be Democrats, not gopers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
themaguffin
(3,805 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Not gopers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)idea, dogman? It doesn't make any sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fla Dem
(23,352 posts)for a Democratic President even if the candidate doesn't align 100% with their position.
Ultra left would trash a Democratic presidential candidate it they did not support all their positions 100%.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The ultra-left are the ones who threw John Lewis and Planned Parenthood under the the bus years ago when they were no longer politically convenient to the ascension of sacred cows.
The base however, is and continues to be, Democrats.
Easy-peasey, George and Wheezy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Locrian
(4,522 posts)the >70% that support medicare for all
the > 95% that support gun background checks
the > 80% that support Green New Deal
on and on and on - wow, the country is ultra-left I guess. Woundn't know it by some candidates or the corporate media.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412545-70-percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all-health-care
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/421765-poll-majorities-of-both-parties-support-green-new-deal
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)1. an extremist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,154 posts)And the 10% to 30% that disagree with those poll positions are the "moderates"?
If you also agree with that majority in those polls, does that make you an "ultra extremist" too? Someone that dares to want what every other western democracy has? (Don't worry, your secret is safe with me)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...there are dozens of issues about which Democrats are concerned.
Second, I don't think those % are accurate.
If your premise were correct, inasmuch as about 20% of all Democrats own guns, does that mean 20% of all Democrats are right wing extremists?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalLovinLug
(14,154 posts)There are dozens of issues, but those are important ones no?
YOU don't think those % are accurate? Well, hard to argue with someone that simply refuses to believe multiple polls in front of their face.
I don't quite follow your math in the last statement you made. 20% of Democrats own guns so that means I am saying 20% of Democrats are right wing extremists? That's quite an assumption saying that every gun owner, even a Democratic voting gun owner, is automatically AGAINST sane gun control laws. I'd think that that 20% against those laws would be for the most part made up of Republicans. I'm sure there are a few Dems in there, there always is. But its quite a stretch to assume every gun owner, even Dems, are against sane gun control laws.
Hey you're the one that called the majority of Americans "extremist", if you can believe the polls. And it seems rather convenient to simply cry "fake news" about those polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)American Voters.. especially WOC, dogman.
Whatever made you think "gopers" would be? .. that doesn't make any sense at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)'nuff said.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LibFarmer
(772 posts)The real base DID vote for Democrats in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)If I'm not mistaken.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LibFarmer
(772 posts)what you call "base" was blamed by many. The word on the street was to defeat Hillary so the pure candidate will have another shot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)if Biden keeps saying that the Republicans, who are tearing down our democracy, are basically good people who will do the right thing without Trump.
Sure doesn't make me want to jump on the Biden bandwagon.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The "base" are the ones who ALWAYS VOTE and who are LOYAL to the Democratic party, and Democratic candidates. They also register as Democrats, they volunteer, they hit the pavement, the canvas, they call, and they donate.
There is a common misconception that "base" is another way of describing the most-pure and most-left liberals. That's simply not true.
Sadly, the voters who are furthest left often sit-out elections for various reasons... and when people don't vote for the Democrat... when people don't support the Democratic party, well... that just makes it easier for the GOP to steal elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)Very well put
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pazzyanne
(6,519 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SharonClark
(10,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,729 posts)that we aim for. There are going to be misses, but if we dont aim we will never hit the targets.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pazzyanne
(6,519 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,280 posts)He knows very well how to frame his campaign themes, and he knows that most people would prefer politics to be less acrimonious and more cooperative. The actual fact that the GOP are for the most part hostile and uncooperative isn't important; what's important is the aspiration for collegial politics. He sat through eight years of the GOP throwing sand in Obama's gears every chance they got; he knows very well that they're a bunch of dicks, and he doesn't intend to be rolled by them. He is expressing the wish that dealing with them like grownups would be possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,965 posts)if they are President
If you want to argue against someone on various issues that is one thing, but argue against someone who says they will try to work with everyone, republicans, Democrats, independents, is just plain silly
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)work with republicans? While there are some saying that this season, likely just because Biden said he would, I've never heard it before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uawchild
(2,208 posts)Former vice president and current 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden was hit with criticism Thursday over a 2015 video showing him offering nuanced praise for Dick Cheney.
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"First of all, I really like Dick Cheney for real. I get on with him, I think he's a decent man..." Biden said, in a discussion regarding advice between vice presidents.
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But Biden's comments regarding the deeply unpopular Cheney irked many progressive and liberal factions of the Democratic Party who have long criticized Biden as an "old guard" corporate moderate.
"This is a problem. A decent man doesn't mislead a country into a misguided war that kills thousands of American GIs and leads to the deaths of hundreds of thousands civilians," wrote Mother Jones' David Corn Thursday.
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-likes-dick-cheney-praise-war-criminal-walter-mondale-vice-president-1413456
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)you wouldn't expect. He's a regular, Mr. Rogers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)I have never seen the Cory Booker supporter posting one positive message about Cory Booker.
All I have seen is anti-Biden posts and screeds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
progressoid
(49,827 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)Mine has 4 on one side. But nice reach!
Id be more worried about Bernie tanking and ceding second place to Warren than lame attempts at implying other DUers are anti-Semitic if I were you. Its really going south for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)campaign that weve only seen with one other campaignthe constant diversion tactic that progressives are superior Democrats. Ive never seen Bookers campaign use those divisive tactics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)That's politics. However, he should probably save that for the general election (assuming he gets the nod). Dem primary voters don't want to hear that.
And he should definitely STOP saying shit like "Mike Pence is a decent guy".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)his campaign team is focused on the opinions expressed on DU.
The Republicans will circle the wagon and vote for reelecting the monster they created. Perhaps Biden is focusing on winning the General election, counting his chickens?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JudyM
(29,122 posts)or should have, what the real rethug agenda is, and it is most decidedly NOT playing fairly and honorably.
Reid also famously believed that McConnell wasnt being serious when he announced his caucuss main goal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
themaguffin
(3,805 posts)won't come to fruition, but they make the statements of unity. Trump didn't of course, but most do and did.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,122 posts)the hardcore reality of obstructionism. It is KEY to have a strategy to combat that, so Dem voters deserve more than platitudes on this subject.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
themaguffin
(3,805 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JudyM
(29,122 posts)He seems to be saying it as a campaign theme. Not as a post-election unifying aspiration. Big difference.
Maybe the word bullshit was too strong... is whitewash better?
I will vote for him if he is our candidate but I have to say that his glossing over the key issue of obstruction - as if it will magically dissolve when trump is gone - has lost him any chance of getting my vote in the primaries.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)against a certain candidate? That seems like bullshit, too, but some actually run on that. Can you believe that junk?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
reACTIONary
(5,749 posts).... as far as I am concerned.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)Biden is not angrily waving a pitchfork in his right hand and a lit torch in his left.
Biden is saying "forget about the revolution" which makes certain candidates and their supporters angrier than they start out with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
snowybirdie
(5,191 posts)It's seemingly OK to bash Joe Biden as old, our of touch, wrong ideas etc.. But none of the other candidates. How about positives about one's chosen candidate, and not trying to speak ill of the others?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)after the latest national tragedy.
Surely Joe Biden knows that hell will freeze over before any Republicans in this day and age are ever interested in working with him, but if it's a political move that works for him and one that doesn't do any harm to Democrats, then it shouldn't be a big deal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)but not enough for sixty.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)He was in the Senate for 36 years, he is experienced in how it used to run and has personal friendships there. I'd expect someone like that to think that the Senate still can run the old way and that's exactly how he sounds. You and I happen to think he is wrong, but I don't assume he secretly agrees with us when he says the opposite.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brer cat
(24,402 posts)K&R
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Arkansas Granny
(31,484 posts)to get things done. It's called compromise. Each party gives up a little until they reach a point that each side finds acceptable even though neither side got exactly what they wanted.
The highly polarized politics today result in either getting nothing done or one party steamrolls over the other party. It's no way to govern the country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)He backs up that claim by saying he had private conversations with 12 Repub colleagues after McConnell blocked Merrick Garland's nomination and they had "concerns." He is implying a knowledge of and a chumminess with the GOP that the other candidates don't have.
That's a hell of a lot more than voicing an aspiration for the country! I personally think he DOES believe it, that it's only his own wonderful self that will generate this sea change in Republicans. He's a salesman at heart, and this is the thing he's hard-selling to voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Obama believed it for at least 6 years. HRC warned Obama and KNEW they wouldn't openly work with her. She knew that she'd have to force them to. Remember "triangulation"? That was Clinton cornering the GOP in their own rhetoric. It wasn't really compromise as much as trapping them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)One can hope, but one must also be realistic.
At this point, the GOP shows no sign that they actually believe in a 2 Party system.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheSocialDem
(191 posts)A party that is doing a fine job destroying itself to the benefit of all of us. They are all as guilty as trump, they all need to be replaced. They dont get to flip when trump leaves.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
themaguffin
(3,805 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheSocialDem
(191 posts)Crop of GOP filth. The sooner people understand that the sooner we can climb out of this dumpster fire
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
area51
(11,868 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Believing and operating under the assumption that they will see the light is another.
Democrats worked with Bush after republicans impeached Clinton. Clinton had even found some common ground with that spiteful bunch of republicans. Before that, Tip O'Neill and Reagan trumpeted their abilities to work together.
What it came down to was throwing poor people under the bus. Getting tough on crime and dismantling the social safety net. Workfare under Reagan, "ending welfare as we know it" under Clinton.
Obama did his best to find some bipartisan cooperation by taking steps in the conservatives direction on further damaging social programs to no avail.
The take away for me is to wonder exactly what Joe means. Did we just not go far enough to the right when it came to damaging the lives of poor people, as working class people bought into the lie of their privilege with the belief that they are morally superior because they have a job?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MarcA
(2,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
themaguffin
(3,805 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Has been for Democratic policy makers to walk the talk and take steps towards conservatives rather than getting them to move even the tiniest bit to the left.
If past is prologue, I have good reason to be suspicious of his intentions and what kind of potential damage he won't mind inflicting to get things done.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)The sign on a confident campaign that is on top of its polling. Time will tell.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I saw him say that, he wasnt being whimsical, he seemed convinced of it, not sure why.
I understand his fans trying to defend him but it is what it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,798 posts)on trying to get their votes. Something must have changed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elleng
(130,156 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)
a mistake. However, Biden's baiting Trump and getting the cameras on his own speech was brilliant. It was a much bigger win than the loss...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)It's called politics.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BootinUp
(46,928 posts)Common sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueTsunami2018
(3,461 posts)People are either completely ignorant as to how politics work or are deliberately not getting it because they want to tear him down. The one can be remedied, the other could really hurt us as it did in 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden