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The corporate media conglomerates have already cut away from Bernie's speech (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jun 2019 OP
They didn't show the hearings yesterday, either. Shell_Seas Jun 2019 #1
They've only rarely covered any campaign speeches live tishaLA Jun 2019 #2
Fucking fake news oligarchs.... NT SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #3
Is Bernie saying something that he hasn't said previously? TexasTowelie Jun 2019 #4
Haven't heard anything new so far. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #8
Why didn't they cover Biden's Primetime speech yesterday, live, like they covered Bernie's? Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #5
I think partly because they had the text of the speech earlier, and because Biden worked part of highplainsdem Jun 2019 #10
Damn communications strategy! Politicub Jun 2019 #25
Damned corporate media conglomerates!!!! George II Jun 2019 #14
When people get real sincere about fighting the media they will all cut their cable subcriptions Perseus Jun 2019 #6
So far Bernie's speech has been the same old same old same old same old... highplainsdem Jun 2019 #7
It probably helped Bernie LibFarmer Jun 2019 #9
His speech was getting interesting on CNN, when suddenly host, Brianna oasis Jun 2019 #11
It is pretty much his standard stump speech. Nothing new, really. I really expected something highplainsdem Jun 2019 #13
I'm no Bernie fan but, except for Don Lemon, I'm done with CNN. nt oasis Jun 2019 #18
Oasis, cable news almost always cuts away from political speeches now. That includes highplainsdem Jun 2019 #19
No it wasn't and CNN only started covering it for just a few minutes before cutting away. Uncle Joe Jun 2019 #20
They covered it for exactly 13 minutes and it was more live coverage than Skya Rhen Jun 2019 #27
Much as "the corporate media conglomerates" cut away from Trump's speech. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #12
Or perhaps they're interested in presenting real news? George II Jun 2019 #15
The speech is available on Youtube, surprised it hasn't been posted on DU yet. George II Jun 2019 #16
It is on D.U. I viewed it after CNN cut away Uncle Joe Jun 2019 #17
The payload was in the last third of the speech crazytown Jun 2019 #22
While also touting Trump's belief in corporate socialism. Uncle Joe Jun 2019 #23
and Trump's family as the beneficiaries of corporate socialism crazytown Jun 2019 #24
Precisely crazytown. Uncle Joe Jun 2019 #26
IF Bernie had given a much shorter, sharper speech, starting with an attack on Trump as the highplainsdem Jun 2019 #28
To be honest, I was expecting something more sophisticated, crazytown Jun 2019 #30
By "more sophisticated" do you mean you were expecting Benie to somehow redefine or explain highplainsdem Jun 2019 #31
One of my Economics Professors was a genuine marxist crazytown Jun 2019 #32
I stopped listening after a couple of minutes. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #33
Crazytown posted a link to watch it here, before it started. highplainsdem Jun 2019 #21
I'm guessing socialism polls higher than prodigitalson Jun 2019 #29
 

Shell_Seas

(3,329 posts)
1. They didn't show the hearings yesterday, either.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jun 2019
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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
2. They've only rarely covered any campaign speeches live
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jun 2019

especially those other than campaign kickoff speeches.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
3. Fucking fake news oligarchs.... NT
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:20 PM
Jun 2019
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TexasTowelie

(111,972 posts)
4. Is Bernie saying something that he hasn't said previously?
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jun 2019

If he isn't, then it isn't news.

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highplainsdem

(48,919 posts)
8. Haven't heard anything new so far.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:30 PM
Jun 2019
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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
5. Why didn't they cover Biden's Primetime speech yesterday, live, like they covered Bernie's?
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jun 2019
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highplainsdem

(48,919 posts)
10. I think partly because they had the text of the speech earlier, and because Biden worked part of
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:33 PM
Jun 2019

what was supposed to be his evening speech in Davenport into what he said earlier, so the networks had both the text and some video to use.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
25. Damn communications strategy!
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:21 PM
Jun 2019

Perhaps Bernie can bend the media to his preferences by sheer will and forgo any planning.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Damned corporate media conglomerates!!!!
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:46 PM
Jun 2019
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Perseus

(4,341 posts)
6. When people get real sincere about fighting the media they will all cut their cable subcriptions
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:28 PM
Jun 2019

We want to fight the media? Stop giving them money, cut your cable subscription and let them know why you are doing it.

Its like this, we may write all day in DU, the Newspaper, Magazines, Periodicals, on the walls, wherever, but while we keep funneling money to them, everything else is mute. They will react when it hits them where they really care, the wallet. They knew giving the buffoon so much coverage during the last election was not good for the country and the World, did they care? of course not, it brought them ratings.

Sticks and stones may hurt their bones, but lack of money will kill them, or at least convert all these traitors into patriots.

I cut my cable service more than five years ago, and I could not be happier. I just get an antenna, watch whatever I like that doesn't involve "opinions", like "Andy Griffith Show, Gunsmoke, Bonanza, The Voice, now Songland, Golf when on TV, and that is the end of it. Yes, I miss watching Tennis, Soccer, but hey, it is worth it. I get offers every week, they want me back

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highplainsdem

(48,919 posts)
7. So far Bernie's speech has been the same old same old same old same old...
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:30 PM
Jun 2019

delivered as the same tired rant.

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
9. It probably helped Bernie
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:32 PM
Jun 2019

The socialism gig would have hurt him if more people had watched.

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oasis

(49,335 posts)
11. His speech was getting interesting on CNN, when suddenly host, Brianna
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jun 2019

Keilor cut from it, implying Bernie was only repeating his 2016 campaign message.

The CNN hosts today have been very critical of Democrats.

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highplainsdem

(48,919 posts)
13. It is pretty much his standard stump speech. Nothing new, really. I really expected something
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jun 2019

different, given the emphasis his supporters were giving the speech in advance.

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oasis

(49,335 posts)
18. I'm no Bernie fan but, except for Don Lemon, I'm done with CNN. nt
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jun 2019
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highplainsdem

(48,919 posts)
19. Oasis, cable news almost always cuts away from political speeches now. That includes
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:01 PM
Jun 2019

Fox cutting away from many Trump speeches.

There's just a lot of news to cover. AND a lot of candidates.

Fortunately, there are usually ways to watch the entire speech online. And sometimes C-SPAN might carry it all (no idea if they did with Bernie's speech today).

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Uncle Joe

(58,298 posts)
20. No it wasn't and CNN only started covering it for just a few minutes before cutting away.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jun 2019

This speech was much more in depth and historical than Bernie's stump speech.

Bernie tied it all together.

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Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
27. They covered it for exactly 13 minutes and it was more live coverage than
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jun 2019

Biden had for his speech, last night, which was zero...

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. Much as "the corporate media conglomerates" cut away from Trump's speech.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:39 PM
Jun 2019

How vindictive and cowardly they all are, indeed...

Or, they could be fishing for ratings (y'know... it's kinda what they do); as neither Sanders nor Trump seem to be doing so well these days on that particular tack.




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George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Or perhaps they're interested in presenting real news?
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jun 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
16. The speech is available on Youtube, surprised it hasn't been posted on DU yet.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:54 PM
Jun 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,298 posts)
17. It is on D.U. I viewed it after CNN cut away
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jun 2019

so their pundits could spin what Bernie was actually stating.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
22. The payload was in the last third of the speech
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:07 PM
Jun 2019

"Economic rights are human rights"

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Uncle Joe

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23. While also touting Trump's belief in corporate socialism.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:10 PM
Jun 2019
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
24. and Trump's family as the beneficiaries of corporate socialism
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jun 2019

$800+ million I think.

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Uncle Joe

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26. Precisely crazytown.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jun 2019
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highplainsdem

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28. IF Bernie had given a much shorter, sharper speech, starting with an attack on Trump as the
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:40 PM
Jun 2019

beneficiary of corporate socialism -- and if he'd gone from that to trying to equate the New Deal with democratic socialism and then focused that segment on the Democratic Party having unfinished business bringing those goals to fruition, creating fairness -- then the speech would probably have had MUCH more impact, and it would have been more likely to get aired in its entirety.

Instead, Bernie sort of meandered through much of the speech, and even if it was a bit more comprehensive than many of his stump speeches, it still sounded too much like them.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
30. To be honest, I was expecting something more sophisticated,
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:54 PM
Jun 2019

but I agree, starting with a critique of corporate welfare would have been more effective.

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highplainsdem

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31. By "more sophisticated" do you mean you were expecting Benie to somehow redefine or explain
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:05 PM
Jun 2019

democratic socialism to make it more appealing to most voters?

That's actually what I was expecting from the hype about the speech.

But if the speech was going to be "democratic socialism is good for the 99%, Trump personally benefits from corporate welfare for the 1%" then I still feel Bernie should have just started with a really harsh attack on Trump.

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crazytown

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32. One of my Economics Professors was a genuine marxist
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:19 PM
Jun 2019

He could frame an argument in terms of class struggle and collectivism, sounding reasonable and avoiding red flag terminology while mendaciously reconciling his analysis with respectable analysis.

There was nothing intellectual in Bernie's speech, and little to camouflage the albatross, as you put it, around his neck.

I though at one point he would expand 'economic rights are human rights' into something more encompassing that a power point list of policies but not so. The stumbling block here is that human rights are individual rights. Urggh ... I am so tired of discussing socialism. I thought we were done with this stuff 30 years ago.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
33. I stopped listening after a couple of minutes.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:48 PM
Jun 2019

The start was nothing but his standard stump speech. I didn't see it going anywhere else.

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highplainsdem

(48,919 posts)
21. Crazytown posted a link to watch it here, before it started.
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jun 2019
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prodigitalson

(2,381 posts)
29. I'm guessing socialism polls higher than
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:40 PM
Jun 2019

child molester.

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