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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:22 PM Jun 2019

Biden's campaign is showing some deep cracks in Iowa

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/12/bidens-campaign-is-showing-some-deep-cracks-iowa/?utm_term=.df754d36c972

Joe Biden attracted a lot of attention Tuesday after exchanging rhetorical fire with President Trump while in Iowa. But a far bigger news story was that Biden was in Iowa in the first place. That’s because his lead in Iowa polls is much smaller than his national margin, suggesting the Democratic front-runner is far from an inevitable nominee.

The Iowa caucuses are historically much more important to Democratic candidates than to Republicans. Only one of the state’s past four GOP caucus winners have gone on to win the nomination, as Iowa’s Republican electorate is much more conservative and evangelical Christian than the nation as a whole. But on the Democratic side, the Iowa winner has gone on to capture the nomination in each of the past four contested races.

That makes Biden’s slim lead more notable than his wide national lead. Candidates have been in and out of Iowa all year long. One, Marianne Williamson, has even moved there. Iowa Democratic voters have seen and heard much more from the contenders than almost any other state, and thus are much less likely to base their preferences largely on name identification. For Biden, that hasn’t been a good thing.

According to the RealClearPolitics polling average, Biden leads by five points in Iowa compared to 16 points nationally. This is not because of a lack of name ID, as Biden is as well known and nearly as well liked among Iowa Democrats as he is nationally. It’s just that more Iowa Democrats who do like Biden are picking someone else.

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Biden's campaign is showing some deep cracks in Iowa (Original Post) pnwmom Jun 2019 OP
It's an editorial opinion saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #1
I just added the 4th paragraph, saying he had a 5% lead there, compared to 16% nationally. pnwmom Jun 2019 #2
Please focus DownriverDem Jun 2019 #15
Several of the Democrats could beat Trump and know how the system works. We'll have a better idea pnwmom Jun 2019 #20
the difference? 24 candidates to choose from, not 2 or 3 nt msongs Jun 2019 #3
Just a reminder, the Iowa caucuses are in February jberryhill Jun 2019 #4
He's lucky he has that time because he still has a lot of work to do there. pnwmom Jun 2019 #6
Yeah, he might go for Tom Harkin's 76.55% Iowa Caucus win in 1992 jberryhill Jun 2019 #10
I really DownriverDem Jun 2019 #16
Ah, a veteran of the Hillary 2008 campaign jberryhill Jun 2019 #21
The problem is you won't know who that it is until election day. marylandblue Jun 2019 #24
I am an optimist. saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #8
Deep cracks? I am not seeing deep cracks based on the editorial's information. Just that Iowa, emmaverybo Jun 2019 #5
What a waste DownriverDem Jun 2019 #18
I sure agree. Feel some should self-eliminate and now. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #26
The "Hillarying" of Biden will continue adnauseum. Pathwalker Jun 2019 #7
And like me, I hated what they did to Secretary Clinton. redstatebluegirl Jun 2019 #14
For sure DownriverDem Jun 2019 #19
They seem to be coming from the same few posters. cwydro Jun 2019 #25
Noticed that. And persistent at it. nt emmaverybo Jun 2019 #29
Perhaps they're unaware there's a "Biden Pile-On" thread! cwydro Jun 2019 #30
Amen. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #27
This opinion is pretty flawed. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #9
VP Biden announced 7 weeks ago today.. soooo Peacetrain Jun 2019 #11
Still months to go before the caucuses, aren't there? MineralMan Jun 2019 #12
RealClear's average is based on four polls, only one of which came after Biden's announcement.... George II Jun 2019 #13
Some people don't believe in math nt LibFarmer Jun 2019 #22
Henry Olsen is a conservative... SidDithers Jun 2019 #17
Frankly, I've not really seen much of a campaign from Biden in Iowa at all. progressoid Jun 2019 #23
K&R Kurt V. Jun 2019 #28
Any points Iowa are ok. Yes it helps with coverage and, maybe, momentum but spend money in Primaries underpants Jun 2019 #31
let's go Joe ! still_one Jun 2019 #32
Biden could lose Iowa. mostly becsuse he doesn't like to campaign JI7 Jun 2019 #33
I like Warren because she is inexhaustible as a campaigner. Blue_true Jun 2019 #34
I know IA is first and winning can set a candidate up going into NH... VarryOn Jun 2019 #35
 

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
1. It's an editorial opinion
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jun 2019

I'm saving my clicks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
2. I just added the 4th paragraph, saying he had a 5% lead there, compared to 16% nationally.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,227 posts)
15. Please focus
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:56 PM
Jun 2019

Who can win the Electoral College and beat trump? That's all that matters. It's going to take quite a while to undo the damage trump has caused. A lot of the damage we don't even know about. I want a candidate that knows how it goes and can get to work on day one. It's not who I like or who you like. It's who can win and get this country back on track.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
20. Several of the Democrats could beat Trump and know how the system works. We'll have a better idea
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:04 PM
Jun 2019

who will be strongest once we've had some debates.

At this point in 2007, Biden was a frontrunner and Obama had about 1%. We were in the depths of the worst recession since the Great Depression, and we needed a President who could get to work on day one.

Biden dropped out after placing 5th in Iowa, and Obama went on to become the President who pulled us out of the disaster left by Bush.

So I think it's way too early to be making predictions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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msongs

(67,381 posts)
3. the difference? 24 candidates to choose from, not 2 or 3 nt
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:25 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Just a reminder, the Iowa caucuses are in February
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:26 PM
Jun 2019

Anyone remember June of 2007, and what was going on in Iowa at that time?

It’s just that more Iowa Democrats who do like Biden are picking someone else


And they're all going to stay frozen in that position for the next, oh, seven months. Lol.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
6. He's lucky he has that time because he still has a lot of work to do there.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:30 PM
Jun 2019
He also needs to play catch-up in building the ground game that Iowa experts say you need to win. Reports this week claim Biden is only now hiring the staff needed to identify potential supporters and turn them out to vote, historically a crucial part of winning a caucus state. He did not hire his first Iowa staffers until mid-May, months behind his competitors. There might still be enough time to get the nearly 1,800 volunteer precinct captains he needs for caucus night, but with 23 candidates, the supply of potential volunteers is limited.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Yeah, he might go for Tom Harkin's 76.55% Iowa Caucus win in 1992
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jun 2019

I really do miss President Harkin.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,227 posts)
16. I really
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:58 PM
Jun 2019

just want to beat trump. I don't want to take a chance on a candidate that I fear the voters will reject.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. Ah, a veteran of the Hillary 2008 campaign
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:56 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
24. The problem is you won't know who that it is until election day.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:22 PM
Jun 2019

The candidate who makes you least anxious is not necessarily the most likely to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
8. I am an optimist.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:36 PM
Jun 2019

Every day is an opportunity to settle old scores and pave a path to better days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
5. Deep cracks? I am not seeing deep cracks based on the editorial's information. Just that Iowa,
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:30 PM
Jun 2019

where currently he leads, will be a challenge for his campaign, mainly because he started building later there. But deep cracks in the campaign? The list of editorials following this one make it clear
that WaPo favors Biden-negative headlines.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DownriverDem

(6,227 posts)
18. What a waste
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jun 2019

We don't have time for this kind of crap and tit for tat games. We need to focus. I personally think there are too many candidates. I hope this doesn't drag on and become a dog and pony show.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
26. I sure agree. Feel some should self-eliminate and now. nt
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
7. The "Hillarying" of Biden will continue adnauseum.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jun 2019

The press doesn't want him, the GOP doesn't want him, so we must just all do what they want. Unless, like me, you're just plain contrary. Screw 'em.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
14. And like me, I hated what they did to Secretary Clinton.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,227 posts)
19. For sure
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jun 2019

The attacks here do no good for our side either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
25. They seem to be coming from the same few posters.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:25 PM
Jun 2019

Interesting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
29. Noticed that. And persistent at it. nt
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:32 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
30. Perhaps they're unaware there's a "Biden Pile-On" thread!
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:35 PM
Jun 2019

They could just chirp away on that one lol!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
9. This opinion is pretty flawed.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jun 2019

Iowa has always been more centralized, and clustered, in its polling compared to the national average. This doesn't mean squat - since, you know, its role as the first official primary/caucus of the election means they have way more interaction with the candidates than national voters ... and that includes the lower-level candidates who might not be registering at the national level yet.

Hillary under-performed her national average by a wide-margin in 2016. Nationally, she led Bernie by an average of 51.6-37.2 nationally (RCP) - yet, the RCP average of Iowa the day of the Caucus had her at only a 4.0+ margin over Bernie. She'd win by less than a percentage point.

In 2008, Obama led by an average margin of +1.6% in the polls the day of the Iowa Caucus (won by +7.8) and his national standing on Jan. 3rd, 2008 (the day of the caucus) put him 20 points behind Hillary. That turned out to be a swing of nearly 30 points in Obama's favor from the national vote to the Iowa Caucus.

In 2004, going by a Time/CNN Poll conducted three days before the Iowa Caucus, Howard Dean led nationally with 22% of the vote - and John Kerry was second at 10. Kerry would go on to win the Iowa Caucus - while Dean placed a paltry third at 18%.

The take away on all this: Of course the polls will be tighter in Iowa - they've been tighter in each of the last three primaries for the party. The difference? In 2008 and 2004, the candidate who led nationally (Clinton, Dean) weren't winning in Iowa, or didn't win in Iowa. Biden currently is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Peacetrain

(22,874 posts)
11. VP Biden announced 7 weeks ago today.. soooo
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jun 2019

hmmmm ... deep cracks in 7 weeks.. not seeing it, and I am on the ground in Iowa.. I live here.. now granted I am not everywhere Iowa.. but don't think I will panic just yet..but thanks for the warning.. will watch my step and keep my eyes out for those cracks in Iowa..

If I were to vote in a presidential
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MineralMan

(146,282 posts)
12. Still months to go before the caucuses, aren't there?
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:01 PM
Jun 2019

I wouldn't put too much weight on these early polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. RealClear's average is based on four polls, only one of which came after Biden's announcement....
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jun 2019

...and one of which is considered among the worst, Gravis. The Des Moines Register is considered one of the most accurate in Iowa.

DM Register/CNN, 6/2 - 6/5 Biden +8 (no rating)
Gravis, 4/17 - 4/18 Biden/Sanders tied (C+ rating)
Monmouth, 4/4 - 4/9 Biden +11 (A+ rating)
Emerson, 3/21 - 3/24 Biden +1 (B+ rating)

Looking at the progression of average lead, Biden's lead has been 1 after the first poll, 6 after the first two polls, 4 after the first three polls, and 5 after all four polls. That's pretty consistent.

I'd be curious to see the next round of polls now that Biden has announced and all have had recent appearances in Iowa.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LibFarmer

(772 posts)
22. Some people don't believe in math nt
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
17. Henry Olsen is a conservative...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:58 PM
Jun 2019

His National Review articles here:

https://www.nationalreview.com/author/henry-olsen/

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
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progressoid

(49,962 posts)
23. Frankly, I've not really seen much of a campaign from Biden in Iowa at all.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:56 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

underpants

(182,730 posts)
31. Any points Iowa are ok. Yes it helps with coverage and, maybe, momentum but spend money in Primaries
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:40 PM
Jun 2019

That's my take.

Caucuses are very susceptible to who runs them. Literally your team is spread thin. It can be a god testing ground for the staff but you are going to exert a tremendous amount of energy covering all that person to person turf.

Being the front runner, he is, and having debates prior to Iowa helps him a lot. Go to few county fairs. Avoid corn dog pics. Hit the cities and have advance teams at the third/fourth primary ahead of you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

JI7

(89,244 posts)
33. Biden could lose Iowa. mostly becsuse he doesn't like to campaign
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 07:51 PM
Jun 2019

so it will be an opening for others to make their case and try to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
34. I like Warren because she is inexhaustible as a campaigner.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:45 PM
Jun 2019

We can't have a 2020 nominee who spends large amounts of time off the campaign trail. Trump loves adoring crowds, he will likely be doing lots of stops before the droolers that come to watch him. We need a campaigner that makes him look tired, so far Warren is the only one showing that instinct.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
35. I know IA is first and winning can set a candidate up going into NH...
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:33 AM
Jun 2019

but it seems to require an inaordinate amount of attention from candidates.

Every election, all we hear on the front end of election seaon is about IA .IA this..IA that...who's been there...who hasnt. And then there seems to be 10 or 15 people who run the whole damn show who can deem a candiate in trouble with even the smallest of perceived slight. It's so annoying.

Rant over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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