Warren Passes Sanders in National Poll for First Time

[ehrnst]

There are still six months until voting starts and two weeks until we even have the first debates, but the dynamic of the Democratic race is trending away from being a Joe Biden–Bernie Sanders mano a mano into something a little more like an open competition. The latest evidence is an Economist/YouGov national poll that puts Biden’s lead over the rest of the field—which was consistently in the 20- to 30-point range after he announced his campaign in late April—at 10 points. Also noteworthy is who’s in second place behind the former VP: Elizabeth Warren, not Sanders. The top five:

• Biden, 26 percent
• Warren, 16 percent
• Sanders, 12 percent
• Pete Buttigieg, 8 percent
• Kamala Harris, 6 percent

It’s the first time since she entered the race that Warren has led Sanders by more than the margin of error in a national poll. (Update, 1:15 p.m.: A just-released Link to tweet
" target="_blank">Monmouth poll of Nevada, whose caucus is after New Hampshire and before South Carolina, also has Warren in second place. It’s the first time she’s been ahead of Sanders in an early-voting state.) A Quinnipiac national survey released earlier this week, meanwhile, had it as Biden 30, Sanders 19, and Warren 15; the latest poll in Iowa (which is still the first state to vote) put Biden at 24 percent support with Sanders, Warren, and Buttigieg all trailing him by 8-10 points. So: Biden still leading, but by less than before, with the rest of the pack catching up to Bernie. (And for what it’s worth, while Kamala Harris hasn’t been in a lot of news cycles recently, she’s still solidly in that second-tier pack and still seems to be in pretty good shape overall—39 percent of Democrats told YouGov that they’re at least considering voting for her, which is more than said the same for either Buttigieg or Sanders.)

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/warren-sanders-poll-biden-comment.html

[nycbos]

1. Yeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssss

[murielm99]

2. Good news for Warren.

She is a good candidate, if not my first choice.

[maxsolomon]

3. Finally.

She's a spring chicken in comparison.

Signed,
An Ageist who wants to win.

[Peacetrain]

4. She will be 70 before the election..sooo your ageist alarms should be

going off .. but honestly she is doing very very well..

[George II]

5. ...

[MineralMan]

12. But that's different, see, because reasons.

[wryter2000]

27. Probably the person didn't realize she was that old

She certainly looks and seems younger.

[MineralMan]

31. Perhaps. Google knows.

Some folks, though, don't do any research, but just go with whatever. I'm 73, so I don't matter any more, I guess...

[Johnyawl]

32. Women live longer then men...

...so she really is a decade younger then Biden/Sanders/tRump.



Harris and Biden were my top two choices from the start, but Warren is winning me over. I'll take any of those three. In any combination.

[wryter2000]

35. OMG yes

Love them all.

[marylandblue]

33. More likely she thought a young-looking 70 is better than a 78-looking 78.

Especially when running against a fake-haired 72.

[OKNancy]

37. 70 this month June 22 n/t

[Blue_true]

40. The way that she carries herself and her apparent energy level is of

a fit woman in her 40s.

[sheshe2]

6. Excellent news!

Go Warren 🇺🇸

[LibFarmer]

7. The incredible shrinking Bernie

(Perhaps a title for a new book)

or, "The revolution has been postponed indefinitely."

[mtnsnake]

9. You shouldn't get too excited. Biden will be in the same boat as Bernie within a few months or less.

[LibFarmer]

11. Not likely

Biden will carry the South with massive numbers. As Obama's VP, he has immense credibility with African Americans.

[LovingA2andMI]

23. Would Not Go So Fast There...

As African-Americans can and do SWITCH -- Remember Joe Biden is not Barack Obama. Those are Facts.

[Funtatlaguy]

51. If she gets nomination, would Booker be a good veep.

[Blue_true]

42. I agree. If Biden gets to the south with a lead, it's game over.

Hillary broke open the race in the south and Biden will likely do the same.

[zaj]

15. Maybe, Warren and Biden are the strongest 2

She's doing great. But I suspect Biden will have to stumble big. He's gets his lead from his strength in the general, not because he's the most progressive.

He'd have to fall in a way that swing voters want someone else more than Biden. Not just Dem primary voters... Imo.

[3Hotdogs]

17. Its a real problem.....

Support the most likely to win but get little hope of positive change

or

support a progressive candidate that probably will win anyway.

That's why I am not on any of the support links above.

[zaj]

21. It's easy...

The worst Dem (Joe Manchin?) Would be an amazing replacement to what is going on now.

Back the one most likely to win in a landslide.

[LibFarmer]

24. Bernie is never going to win

If he became the nominee, he will lose 45 states.

[JI7]

41. Sanders has been in public office decades and not done much

Biden has accomplished a lot more.

[NYMinute]

8. Burlington, we have a problem nt

[SidDithers]

10. Good...nt

Sid

[lunamagica]

13. Sanders should drop out and throw all his support behind Warren

[Blue_true]

43. One would hope that would happen. She is running the far superior campaign.

I just think there are a core of Berners who would rather burn down the house with them inside rather than get behind Liz to take on Biden.

[zaj]

14. Exactly what should happen.

[bullwinkle428]

16. I've been saying this for a little while - Elizabeth Warren is "out-Bernie-ing" Bernie.

In other words, some very similar economic campaign themes, with lots more specifics as to how to go about accomplishing these goals.

[Still In Wisconsin]

52. You hit it exactly.

Bernie says a lot of things that appeal to progressives on their face, but the devil is, as they say, in the details. I like that Warren has concrete plans to do the things she says she wants to do, and is realistic about how hard it will be. Bernie is all unicorns and rainbows, with nothing to back up his bold goals.

[BadgerMom]

18. She deserves to do so.

She’s got great ideas, she’s communicating well. So pleased!

[aikoaiko]

19. I like seeing Elizabeth and Bernie chasing down Joe.

[LibFarmer]

25. Bernie is chasing to be in the "also rans"

[aikoaiko]

38. I don't think Bernie is going to win either.

But I’m glad he’s supported enough to continue to contribute to the conversation about the direction of the party. We’re better off for it.

[BigOleDummy]

20. In my opinion

It was just a matter of time. Ms. Warren is a great communicator with great ideas and plans. She's a fighter , fearless and passionate about what she believes. She has been in Washington long enough to know the ropes but not long enough to be perceived as a member of the "swamp". PLUS, she has a gorgeous dog!

[LovingA2andMI]

22. OH YEAH!!

Go Elizabeth Warren GO!!! Persistance PAYS OFF!! Keep It Going!!!

[wryter2000]

26. Wonderful news

She's amazing. And she won't campaign by putting her primary opponents down. Nor will her staff.

[NurseJackie]

28. Well deserved! This makes me VERY happy!

[Linda Ed]

29. This makes me happy

Warren is by far more intelligent than Bernie and she has come out with plans unlike the rest of them

[Still In Wisconsin]

30. Good... I love Warren and can't stand Bernie, so this makes me very happy.

I'm still favoring Joe Biden, but I'd be very happy with Warren as the nominee also.

Do we think TRUMP would call her "Pocahontas" to her face at a debate? My initial self-answer was "obviously he would" but if she was actually there to respond, the yellow-bellied coward might not.

[marylandblue]

34. I hope she would disempower that name long before the debates.

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All she has to at a rally is roll her eyes and say, "He calls me Pocahontas because he no ideas for America."

That will be the end of it.

[brer cat]

36. Great! She is an awesome candidate.

K&R

[Blue_true]

39. Warren and Sanders supporters are going to have to make a hard choice soon.

Both can't stay in the race and their supporters expect to seriously challenge Biden.

[jcgoldie]

45. Not a hard choice at all

[Blue_true]

46. You are right. But some Bernie supporters are on record saying they will not support Liz.

That is a sad position for people to take, especially if they want the most progressive nominee possible.

The misuse of what a progressive reminds me of the conflict between rightwing evangelicals and evangelicals who truly behave as Christian in everything they do. The first group has grabbed the term and treat anyone who is not a rightwing evangelical as non Christian, to me, that is how the people that are proclaiming themselves progressive and setting purity standards are behaving.

[peggysue2]

44. Had a feeling Elizabeth Warren would take off

She is a quality candidate, loaded with policy ideas. Think she has managed to shake off the Pocahontas attacks (although Trump will likely reanimate the nonsense) by working extraordinarily hard to get her name and positions out there as well as explaining how she intends to implement and fund a myriad of programs. People respond to that type of rigor and energy.

She's worked for the uptick. So, good one on her!

[Politicub]

47. Warren and Harris are the most electable candidates. But I will discuss Warren based on this thread.

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I've been thinking about electability today, and how, on DU, Biden is perceived as the most electable because people say he is. He is the safe choice in the face of the crazy reality star that says stupid, inflammatory stuff hourly. Plus, a few polls have him in the lead, even though a debate hasn't happened nor has anyone voted.

It's time for a woman to be president. A woman will be the most electable. You don't believe me? Hillary Clinton received the second most votes in our country's history, and she was shut out because the antiquated and biased electoral college caused the reality guy who received fewer votes to win.

There are only a couple of states to flip. We learned from 2016.

Warren has a solid series of policy proposals -- real substance -- and describes how to pay for each of them. She addresses the concerns that most Democrats and Americans say are important: the environment, healthcare and education. Perhaps not in that order. On the other hand, crazy, month-breathing conservatives who are fine with children locked in cages in concentration camps will never be someone we would want to attract. Spoiler alert: they are not reachable and we shouldn't care what they think. Or what their batshit crazy leader says.

Warren also has one of the strongest ground games in the country right now, and has been quietly building up a local presence over the past few months. This infrastructure will be activated in due time. If she is rising in polls today, imagine what it will be like when Warren's army is unleashed.

True, she did earn a stupid nickname from Trump, and that must make her untouchable in the democratic field because Trump will tremble in fear at running against Biden because reasons. I'm not sure what those reasons are. But I'm sure they're important and they will arrest Trump's crazy and attract some of the rabid and racist voters that are Trump's base.

I've seen threads on DU, and I have written a few myself that I wish I had not, that propose a woman needs in the VP slot for Biden to balance the ticket, you see. It was sexist of me to think that way. A woman belongs at the top of the ticket. Women have been told they need to play second fiddle to men for most of history. Aren't we done with thinking that way? It is time to be bold and brave.

So, why not a Warren/Harris ticket or vice versa? Can you imagine? Both would be wonderful and formidable against Trump and Pence. I know that Biden is sturdy and affable and all, but I would like to challenge us to think bigger and hold true to our ideals as a progressive party.

[mtnsnake]

48. Excellent post and analysis

I would love to see a woman heading the ticket, and I have often wondered if an all woman ticket would be the way to go. I love Warren, and I really like Harris, but I also think Amy Klobuchar would appeal to the general public as much as anyone.

I enjoyed your thoughts a lot.

[Politicub]

49. Two thumbs up on Klobuchar, too!

She impressed the heck out of me in her CNN town hall. I appreciated her pragmatic approach; there are a lot of people who need to hear her message. I hope she keeps getting visibility.

[robbedvoter]

50. Nice! After 2016, women will not go back to old white guys wagging fingers in our faces.

When mentioning EC in 2016, you forgot to also mention the hacking. Hoping Harris/Warren wins and gives credit for it - Hillary won outright - was robbed.

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[Miles Archer]

53. I have no idea how this is all going to shake out, but...

...I'm confident that she is going to finish strong.

It may mean that she becomes the Democratic candidate in 2020.

Whether it she does or not, she's got the goods, she's got the right message, and I'm looking forward to seeing her on the debate stage. I'm sure she'll provide some of the most memorable moments. Some of the other 20+ hopefuls are fine-tuning their message, looking for the right "voice." I think she's already found it and is ahead of many of them in that area.