Okay my friends.. Climate Change is not going to happen in the future

[Peacetrain]

IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED!!! How do we manage this.. there are a lot of balls in the air for all our candidates..but I need to hear about this.. how in the hell do we manage climate change.. because everything else is a moot point if you do not have potable water, breathable air, and and land that can be used to grow food.. we are already seeing massive shifts in people from South America.. trying to flee the effects of climate change..along with other countries.. we have got to wake up and smell the coffee people..


I want to hear this from our various candidates.. I do NOT need anyone to tell me that there is climate change.. only those with their toes stuck up their nose refuse to see what is in front of their faces..


How do we manage this.. its our new reality.. that is what I hope to hear in the debates at some point.

I know this first one will be more of an introduction to all the candidates.. but there will be other debates

[jberryhill]

1. We manage it the way humanity has always managed it

Some civilizations will fall. Others may eventually rise.











The people who built these places weren't stupid. They were every bit as intelligent as we are, and likely more able to focus their attention for longer periods of time.

[Peacetrain]

2. For one thing, we stop asking people if they think it is real...

If someone is too stupid to look at the science.. too clueless just to look our their windows.. too politically soaked to step outside of what ever their leaders in their perspective political leanings are.. then the hell with them.. Let them go howl at the moon.. we have to move forward and leave them there with their toes stuck up their noses.. and get things going

[jberryhill]

5. Human existence is pretty much a passing fad

Humans aren't the stars of this show.

[Peacetrain]

7. what steps can we take to live with what has happened.

. and what can we do to start mitigating some of these changes.. so we can continue to exist..

[jberryhill]

8. By "we" do you mean the United States or humanity in general?

Because those are two different questions.

[Peacetrain]

10. We better be thinking both..

because there is NO two different questions.. we are about to explode with 5g and all the cell phones computers etc that are going to be trashed .. and the question is where.. just a simple example.. how do we manage this..

[jberryhill]

13. They are two different questions

Putting forward the proposition of whether to preserve the 5% of the earth's population which uses 25% of the earth's fossil fuels, for example, to a worldwide decisionmaking process renders an obvious solution to the other 95% of earth's inhabitants which is not kind to that 5%.

So, there is an enormous proportional gain to be had by sacrificing the lives of 5% of the earth's population - i.e. killing everyone in the United States as immediately and swiftly as possible - from the point of view of almost everyone else on the planet. The savings would be immediate and profound, as only in the US do people find it necessary to overconsume on the scale we do.

As far as "managing change" and preserving the United States goes, then I would suggest that we consider a forced annexation of Canada as soon as possible, because a good deal of the marginally-habitable US is not going to be habitable if trends continue.

[Peacetrain]

14. yep this is the kind of argument that gets nothing done

I will leave you to it..

[jberryhill]

15. You were proposing we do what?

[The Mouth]

11. The problem is

that they also have a vote, just as you and I do.

Something people on both the left and right forget- the STUPIDEST M-F'er has just as much a 'right' to vote as you or I, and if you *call* them 'stupid', or 'clueless' you have just decreased the chance of EVER convincing them of anything.

People want 'democracy', right up to the point where (in our case, on the left) climate change deniers, racists, and the brainwashed get to vote, also.

It's fine to let them go howl at the moon, but don't forget they might damn well vote (R) on their way to do so.

There are millions of people in this country who don't think it's real, or just don't care; any political strategy or campaign must deal with that.

[Peacetrain]

17. It is not about them(right wing voters) vs us (lefties for the most part)

its about the people we are running to represent us.. who have access to monies, programs , proposals.. I want to hear from them.. that is my point..how do they plan to start to manage what has happened... its here now.. what did Trump say not too long ago.. paraphrasing.. but climate change did not effect him because he would be dead when it started.. (could care less about his kids that is for sure) but he could not be more wrong..its here now.. and there are a lot of things we have to address not just climate change.. I know that..but if we start ..us.. the Democrats.. start addressing this in the reality it is.. climate change has happened.. it will impact their people when they start getting asked..not do you believe in climate change..but what are you doing about climate change now that it is here..

[The Mouth]

18. I see, and agree, but..

who we run, the message, and the 'right wing' voters- specifically what measures proposed by candidates they will support, all have effects on each other. Run someone too radical for those 'right wing' (for the purposes of this discussion meaning anyone not firmly convinced to vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who they are), and it's totally academic because they lose.

For a big old chunk of Americans, it's fine to talk about climate change, maybe even spend some tax dollars on green stuff, but even BREATHE about fucking with their SUVs or THINK about making that tip to Europe more expensive and kiss the election goodbye.

[SMC22307]

20. It is about left v. right, and the left was right, per usual.

The right has been denying and mocking for decades, but Al Gore was right. Now many on the right realize it's happening and their solution to those most impacted: move, everybody, just move! They'll also be exploiting the hell out of new resources that become available, but yeah, Al Gore was just in it to make money. (That's sarcasm, in case anyone missed it...)

[Saviolo]

3. Very soon, environmental collapse will not be a political issue.

I've said it before.

It will be a crisis everywhere. It's already a crisis. We're seeing 100-year storms every couple of years. Massive wildfires beyond anything we've seen. Droughts, rising sea levels, melting ice caps, temperatures rising, crops failing. Drastic measures need to be taken, and quickly. This isn't an abstraction, the entire west coast was on fire this past year. This has nothing to do with your chosen candidate, has nothing to do with a political party or platform, this is an actual crisis.

[Peacetrain]

4. It is.. and we just have to start addressing it differently

They need to get in every Republicans face and ask how are you addressing climate change?? this is way past anything we can do to stop it.. how do we manage it..

[JI7]

6. People lied and said Gore was just like Bush

[Peacetrain]

9. I cannot even begin to tell you how much my blood boils

every time I think about that.. cutting off their noses to spite their faces.. as the old saying goes

[SMC22307]

21. Who said that? I remember a bunch of things...

too professorial and boring, lied about creating the internet, Love Story, mocking over climate change and the "lock box," not embracing Bill Clinton post-scandal. Was the comparison to Bush over war and military spending?

[karynnj]

23. Ralph Nader did

It was wrong then, but you have to go back to 2000 before Bush blew up the middle east. Bush ran claiming he was a compassionate conservative. He tried to create the perception that there was little difference between their economic policies.

Gore now is seen as an advocate for doing something to stop climate change, someone who was against attacking Iraq, and against the broader attack on truth. Then, Gore was seen as the centrist he was in the Senate and in the Clinton administration. He was remembered for debating Perot on NAFTA, which the administration favored.

Gore was, in 1988, the first candidate the DLC favored as President. The DLC was then lauded as an attempt to save the Democratic party and make it win again. Bill Clinton was their choice in 1992. The DLC was seen as remaking the party, giving less weight to labor unions and being more business friendly and open to deregulation.

In 2000, Nader's statement ignored the differences between the two because on a key issue, Nader was enough an outlier on one side that he saw both of them as far from him and argued they would be the same.

As to non embracing Clinton, Gore was one if the few Democrats who physically and politically stood by Clinton's side throughout the entire mess. Clinton had the most dramatic entrance at Gore's convention. Clinton also a tv interview, billed as talking about how he was working on repairing his family after that mess, the weekend before the convention. Gore knew Clinton better than any of us. In retrospect, he likely was close to a net zero or negative on his wife's campaigns in 2008 and 2016.

Gore tried to run on the Clinton Gore accomplishments, but he personally moved to somewhat more populist positions which Clinton allies argued against.

[MLAA]

12. One of the most impactful things we can do as individuals is stop eating animal products.

Do a few google searching and credible sources and organizations will describe the impact. I think it is likely too late, but who knows it is certainly worth a try.

[Indygram]

16. Beto has said that Climate Change is the most important crisis we face

Even though he has plans for many other things too, which are critical and urgent as well. He's a smart guy and can walk and chew gum at the same time. If a person is unable to multitask then they really shouldn't be in the race.

https://betoorourke.com/climate-change/

[Kaleva]

22. Adapting to climate change is going to be an individual effort.

I have a very good idea what is expected to happen in the area where I live in the next few decades and most every day, I'm doing something to better prepare myself and my extended family for it.