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While Sanders supporters and Warren supporters are far from perfectly overlapping, if I were Bernie's campaign I'd nonetheless be concerned that if Warren passes me in the polls at some point, it could trigger a bandwagon effect that would be hard to come back from.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Everyone is more attuned after this past week and Ponzi Don's wag the dog Iranian stunt.
If you have a plan,well,that is what the Nation is waiting for,not some Hot Button Phrases that we all have heard before, but some doable plan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(152,963 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)He may, in the end, be eclipsed by younger politicians like Harris, Warren and Buttigieg, but there is no reason to treat him with such disdain. The man has been working ceaselessly to get people to wake up. He has paved a path forward for other cleared-eyed patriots willing to address corporate abuses and extreme inequality.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)we will know who is and who will not be a player. This is going to be one hell of a summer for we Dems. Have not seen this amount of enthusiasm since since the summer of 62' Keep it up gang.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)that folks like Bernie have shed light on... even if he hasn't had the same spotlight he once had, I'm glad he's made the media take all smart, well-researched Dem leaders seriously. (I refuse to call Harris, Warren, Bernie et al "progressives" because they are actually TRADITIONAL New Deal Democrats. And they're on the RIGHT side of history.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)who will or will not continue to get evolved. The last three Election Cycles,our Phone Bank Group,which is mostly 70+ folks from a long lost era,love the new Organizers and Team Leads. Lots of stiff fingers and grey hair ,but,at the end of the day,we get the job done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)and never trumpers.
We can't win with just "progressives." It's about time we acknowledge that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Did anyone ever say we could win with just progressives?
Other than Obama, the last time the more liberal contender won the Democratic nomination was McGovern in 1972. So, seems to me that there is no consistent lean towards more progressive candidates in the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)who vote to defeat trump.
Also there are many non progressives who would ordinarily vote for Repubs but whose votes can be had to help defeat trump.
Combine that with the fact that no progressive legislation will pass without Dems being in power.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)plenty of Progressives out there,key is to get them past their friggin single issue and see the larger picture.
If you don't vote,you lose your right to bitch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LisaM
(27,758 posts)The original field in 2008 was winnowed down to Edwards, HRC, and Obama, and I don't think any of them stands out as being the "most progressive". I thought they were all left center, and I'd even say Edwards' economic thinking was the most left leaning.
That said, I don't think we were talking huge differences between those three.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Edwards was probably the most liberal economically, but his implosion happened early on.
Obama's left leaning was more cultural, and all in all, I think he favored a move away from interventionism abroad compared to the others.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)20% in the middle. The Fake Third Party took 5% away from the Dems in 16'and that was the difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,632 posts)Over 33 years before I was born, and I have no significant academic knowledge of any major events that come to mind.
1962 United States elections
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_United_States_elections
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Campus crowd drove that Election. Ike and Nixon soured the youngsters on the Rethugs. In 62' the voting Rights issue was just coming into focus and the sides were already being chosen.
Now we are seeing this enthusiasm similar to 1960 emerging among the Young Voters,they are paying attention to their Future much like we had our Ideals of the Future in 1959 and 1960. When your life opportunities seem limited by the Power Structure,things tend to swing to a positive correction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,632 posts)In fact I will expand this to the entire post WWII, 1945 to 1963 (death of JFK) period.
Thank you for your info!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)High School Dress Codes were changed for the better. Some of the Greatest Music known to man kind came from the Garage Bands,whom my Buddy and I were volunteer Roadies on Weekends.
The powers that be tried their damnest to quell that change with Nam,only to make more young people aware of change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,632 posts)My grandfather turned me onto this one, from NYC, in the early to mid 1960's. This song is the dog's bollocks.
The Groupies - Primitive (1966)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)The Trashman and their Suffin Bird. Later the Guy's put together the White Sidewalls. Fitting,we were all older than dirt. Plus my Buddy would rope me into his gig's with the Ambassadors and The Commador's Orchatras's. Both being Farm Kids,some of our nights became several days long. We had Cows to milk at 5 AM . What a Hoot. Back then if you were a good Horn Man,you could pick up a flying twenty just to sit in with these big national Bands during their Tours.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(93,834 posts)...Voting age in those days was 21.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Electoral votes were not tied to turnout in the first round of voting. Wasserman-Schultz has apologized for her role and everyone has tried to move on. The Democrats, I hope, will give this new round of primary candidates a fair shake. Biden should not be given unfair advantages. If the field narrows, he may well be second or even third once the dust settles.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)for him. I vote for Dems and want our money spent there.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)in their heads, men and women, voting one at a time decided the 2016 party nominee, Wasserman-Schultz was not behind a curtain manipulating them.
Please drop the nonsense that the 2016 primary was rigged, it was not rigged.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)It's ridiculous.. I don't even know how to respond to such nonsense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Just like rightwingers that see mysterious black helicopters everywhere, people on the left that are convinced that the 2016 primary was rigged are going to cling to their fantasy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)put that in their heads?
Never mind.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)"Establishment".. John Lewis is "Establishment".. We have actual national treasures who happen to be "Establishment".
We Won the Democratic House Victory in the Blue Wave Midterms with mostly Moderates.. Excellent Dems!
That "establishment" label is such a divisive insult..
BS was on tv right After the 2016 Election calling us, the Democratic Party, "elite".. he's been running for 2020 since then.. he has name recognition and he's behind Elizabeth Warren in Wisconsin.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)But it's finally changing thanks to folks like Bernie and AOC and Elijah and Maxine.
I watched year after year since the 1970s and after Ronald Reagan came to power, as Democrats gave up fighting the power and began to forget their FDR traditions, that which helped to build a strong middle class in this country.
Then the Republicans, year after year, played race cards, and their fear and "law and order" cards. The Democrats, including the Clinton administration, began to compromise. Year after year. I was quite awake and reading (not just "watching" the news.
Thankfully new journals like Mother Jones, The Utne Reader, Mother Earth News began to emerge to broaden a discourse and include environmental and social justice issues. The New York Times covered some of that, but without teeth or conviction.
Then brilliant filmmakers like Spike Lee, and early rap groups like Public Enemy, began using phrases like "fight the power" visibly in their work. Independent journals began covering the growing relationship between corporations and BOTH parties. It took decades to build enough of a groundswell of a REAL (small d) democratic underground to start questioning whether the Democratic establishment had begun to slide backwards. Occupy Wall Street and a general waking up of the public at large, along with outspoken politicians like Bernie Sanders, has begun to make it "acceptable" to question monopolies and the 1% and corporate collusion with both parties. Oy vey, the years we have let Big Oil fund "research" distracting the public from the truth of global warming...
All the Democratic candidates are relatively "woke" now, and I'm grateful. Some a little late to the party, but thank goodness we've begun to establish a new normal.
Bernie isn't perfect, but he's helped to change the discourse and light a friggin' fire. All the snippy "puleez" statements in the world aren't going to change the facts.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)After the liberal victories of the 60s and 70s we swung back to conservatism. And now we are swinging back to liberalism.
I view Trump as the last gasp of Reaganism. If we don't blow it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)If I wasn't pushing for a Warren/Harris ticket, Buttigieg would be in the mix. Bless him and his cool, down home demeanor. He's so rad, but packed in a bundle every grandparent would adore.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)for damn good reasons.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Are you just darting in for a cheap one-liner? I shouldn't even be honoring such an attitude with any more of my hard-won perspective.
We have a country to evolve. Please be respectful.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,899 posts)it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Interesting.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Interesting, part II.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,206 posts)How dare you attack another DUer this way? Who are you to make such an ignorant claim? Cha has been an active and great DUer for some time.
You really should apologize for that personal attack.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,206 posts)Reasonable people can disagree, but this was a - dare I say - nasty attack.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)never accuse someone of that.. and neither would any other Democrat I've been posting with over the last almost 2 decades.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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sheshe2
(83,319 posts)80. You haven't said anything to suggest you understood, or even cared about, what I just wrote.
Are you just darting in for a cheap one-liner?
Calling Cha's response " just darting in for a cheap one-liner." This is uncalled for and disrespectful.
Then you go on to ask for respect when you have been disrespectful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)I appreciate that so much
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)Pisses me off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,206 posts)apparently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(25,905 posts)I suspect you know that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)There is nothing heroic about him
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)So sayeth the congregation.
Amen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NNadir
(33,368 posts)Frankly, I'm ABB, anyone but Bernie in the primaries, although if the awful state of affairs where I was denied that took place, I would of course, be ABT.
Mr. Sanders views on everything, most notably issues in the basic science of climate change, are straight out of the 1930's.
The problem with that, with never having a new idea of any kind, is that we live in the 21st century.
I don't see a damned thing "heroic" about the guy.
When - as he should - he loses the nomination I expect it all to play out like 2016, whining and crying about how the Democrats are not good enough for him.
What exactly is so "heroic?"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)...very real concentration of power in the hands of corporations and billionaires. It was so damn hush-hush for decades while Democrats began to acquiesce to such a pyramid. Now most of the Democrats freely speak of such things. Bernie achieved this by repeatedly addressing this power imbalance. I believe he deserves huge credit for making this current crop of clear-eyed and uncompromising candidates possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NNadir
(33,368 posts)...the word "heroism" means.
Taking potshots at the Democratic Party with no risk to one's self, with no realistic plan other than to criticize isn't heroism.
It's merely self aggrandizement, something Mr. Sanders is good at.
The discussion of the relationship between power and money has been a subject of discussion for centuries, and I note, has involved considerable tragedy, particularly when couched only in vague generalizations with no specifics.
I personally have no intellectual or moral usr for Sanders.
The best that can be said for him is that he's not Trump.
I say this by the way while regarding Senator Warren highly, mostly because unlike Sanders, she doesn't sit in a corner issuing platitudes from 1930's rhetoric. She lives and is aware that we're in the 21st century.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....military history.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"For one, he opened up the national discourse to the very real concentration of power in the hands of corporations and billionaires..."
You have objective evidence directly supporting this premise? Or is it too, mere editorial? As our national discourse has included wealth disparity since the mid-sixties (The American Economic History Reader by John Malsberger), I can only surmise that as you weren't aware of it, you simply weren't listening to it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....ever hear of the Clayton Antitrust Act? The Sherman Act? Oh, in case you didn't notice it a couple of years ago, he used to complain about "millionaires and billionaires", for some reason he dropped the "milionaires" part of it. Wonder why?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)False pride? Gang security?
If someone outside this forum were to observe this discourse... say an ethnographer... they might very well say this isn't a particularly enlightened bunch.
It sucks to be ganged up on and shame on anyone who had participated. I'm sorry if I've overreacted to the bullying.
Please don't do this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,206 posts)and now you are saying you've been ganged up on?
That's a convenient standard.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)After I and others had made the effort to spell out a perspective, one of your "group" didn't even show the consideration of addressing the points, but just waved it all off in a manner suggesting someone who was "in the group" and "in power" and therefore not requiring a considered response. It had an autocratic quality. Maybe your friend isn't really like that, but I was hurt by the gesture. It was along the lines of: "just wave away that which I disagree with or don't understand."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,206 posts)Interesting.
Those are your words. You seem to think your hurt feelings excuse this pretty horrible attack. I disagree completely.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
obamanut2012
(25,905 posts)wth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:23 PM - Edit history (1)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)And, I'd agree with Nate. If he loses supporters to Warren, I don't see them coming back. It's taken a while for her to take off, but she seems to have momentum now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
monmouth4
(9,663 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)I love that ol' lefty codger from Brooklyn. Bless the man and give him a break. No one else has spoken truth to power like him since the 60s. He made folks like Warren, AOC, Buttigieg and Harris possible. Before Bernie such progressive voices, (who were ACTUALLY traditional FDR Democrats) were treated as "extremists" by clueless media people with no knowledge of history, economics or how high concentrations of money since Reagan has poisoned our democracy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and begun to campaign for Hillary then, he might have helped her get the additional 80K votes she needed to win, despite Russian interference, Comey's announcement, etc.
So I don't love that ol lefty codger from Brooklyn.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)only helped trump to win? Pretty good reasons to help the nation fall into this nightmare we're living?
NOTHING justifies it
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,899 posts)Help!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 17, 2019, 03:28 AM - Edit history (1)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,899 posts)Democracy and Planet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)You really need to explain that statement. A Democratic Party primary participant had reasons for not helping the party nominee win? How in the hell so?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,206 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,319 posts)What legislation has he passed in the Senate to accomplish his concerns after 16 years?
TIA.
***On edit 16 years in the House 13 years in the Senate.***
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Boomer
(4,159 posts)but only because Elizabeth Warren wasn't running. And if Hillary Clinton had chosen Warren for her VP, I suspect she would have won the presidential election. Warren shored up the ticket in the exact areas that Clinton was weak. There was a palpable energy when the two of them shared the stage and I was so disappointed that Clinton didn't recognize that as a tremendous asset to her campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)I've been kind of surprised that it's taken a while for her to gain traction, both here and in the real world, but she finally seems to be gaining some momentum. It's still very early, of course, and momentum will be important in the coming months.
I agree that the two of them seemed to work quite well together. Better than a lot of people expected.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)So a lot of people wrote her off, including me. But she managed to change the conversation. Now the whole thing just looks petty compared to her substantive proposals.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)The overblown, hyperactive reaction to it by the media and others was the weak part. Much ado about nothing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)But if somehow Sanders dropped out, endorsed her, and she got the nomination, I would be happy with that outcome.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,361 posts)Many of Bernie's ideas have been adopted by Warren and other progressives- and Has a plan, including the math, on how to implement each of those policies- as voters become aware that Warren had done her homework, she will pick up even more support.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
True Blue American
(17,972 posts)Adopted Bernies plan. Those have bee Democratic principles ever since I was old enough to vote.
The only thing I am against is Bernies Socialist schtick. As a moderate Democrat I am against Socialism just like I am against the extreme right!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)It doesn't mean what you think it means. Canada is a constitutional monarchy (the Queen is only a figurehead, but it keeps our Prime Minister from thinking he's King). Canada by some definitions is a social democratic country. What it means is that we care about and for each other, it does not mean that our government runs everything.
Those of you who reject democratic socialist policies (as they affect the average working American, and those who are unable to work) seem NOT to care very much about each other. Jack Beatty, who is a guest every Friday morning on NPR's On Point, called the US prior to the 12016 election as fast returning to the Gilded Age. He was so right. Every day there is less and less opportunity for ordinary folk to move up in the world. The US is more and more an oppressive society, rather than the progressive society it should rightfully be.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)No one can agree on what it means. To many at the DSA, it means overthrowing capitalism and replacing it with true socialism. To Sanders, it means something completely different.
"Canada by some definitions is a social democratic country."
Social democracy and democratic socialism aren't interchangeable terms.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)The problem stems from the widespread belief that socialism equals communism, and every time I hear pundits talk about it, they only ever use the word "socialism". they perpetuate the long-touted trope that socialism means that your rights or freedoms will be taken away from you.
If the majority of Americans would understand that many of the the "freedoms" you so admire and cherish are overshadowed by the fears that you live with (or might end up living with) -- including bankruptcy due to hellishly high medical bills, or the ability to walk down the street without packing a gun, or sending your kids off to school fearing for their very lives, or driving over a bridge wondering if it might collapse -- then you might just start considering some policies that benefit both you and your fellow Americans, than just yourselves.
There's a reason why Canada has come first two years in a row for Quality of Life.
I live just across the river from New York state. Last time I crossed the river was just over two years ago. I feel safe here walking in my neighbourhood any time of night and day, and knowing that Canadian border security confiscates all weapons before my New York or Ohio (or any other state) neighbours are allowed into my country. During the summer, about every 10th car in my town has American license plates, BTW.
That's freedom. And I know that most DUers are in favour of stricter gun laws -- so apologies if I've offended anyone here.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It's social democracy or our new favorite term, democratic capitalism. We Americans love our capitalism and that won't change. We just need to make it friendlier.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,361 posts)Just to name two of Bernie's ideas that have been accepted by an increasing number of Dems since 2016.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)Here's a refresher:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993
The assertions that universal healthcare is a relatively recent concept introduced by Sanders or that it's only acceptable to Democrats now because of Sanders are laughable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Takket
(21,421 posts)That effort went down in flames. Only now is anyone ever daring to discuss it again 20+ years later.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)with TRADITIONAL FDR values and economic insight.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Boomer
(4,159 posts)Warren has been her own person, with her own priorities and plans, for decades. She didn't need to "adopt" Bernie's ideas.
I supported Bernie in the last primary because he was the candidate closest to Warren who was actually running. This time around, I get my first choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Agree 👆🏻.
I live in the greater Los Angeles Area and I know of many used to be Bernie supporters, and out of those supporters I know of, I know about 75 intimately and those 75 or so Bernie supporters weren't the fly by night Bernie supporters--these folks were older like me (50's into their 60's and a bit older), had income coming in so they could send contributions as many had done for YEARS. But even they've pretty much moved on from Bernie. They still like/love him and of course would support a Bernie/whomever ticket. But, as one guy told me recently "Bernie's mojo is gone" and he's moved on to supporting a Warren/Pete or Warren/Harris Ticket if that were to materalize.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...with a new wealth tax. Unfortunately, the current Supreme Court would probably rule that tax is unconstitutional.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fiendish Thingy
(15,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)no capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
https://jonathanturley.org/2019/02/20/is-the-warren-tax-unconstitutional/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fiendish Thingy
(15,361 posts)Nevertheless, I'm sure there are workarounds, say raising the capital gains rate on annual gains above, say, $1million to a percentage equal to the amount of Warren's 2% on every dollar above $50 million is assets
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...your capital gains tax then I wouldnt raise concerns about what the current Supreme Court would do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Among other things, it points out that the inheritance tax is a wealth tax.
https://www.warren.senate.gov/download/constitutionality-letters
This court of course may decide to overturn precedent, but at least she does her homework.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)The issue is whether Justices appointed by George W. Bush and Donald Trump would say it's constitutional.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)She has real gravitas being the President of Harvard Law School.
She is articulate and knows policy inside out. She will never flunk an interview like Bernie Sanders did with NYDN.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)at several top law schools. (Though she wasn't President of Harvard.)
Warren's earliest academic work was heavily influenced by the law and economics movement, which aimed to apply neoclassical economic theory to the study of law with an emphasis on economic efficiency. One of her articles, published in 1980 in the Notre Dame Law Review, argued that public utilities were over-regulated and that automatic utility rate increases should be instituted.[46] But Warren soon became a proponent of on-the-ground research into how people respond to laws. Her work analyzing court records and interviewing judges, lawyers, and debtors, established her as a rising star in the field of bankruptcy law.[47] According to Warren and economists who follow her work, one of her key insights was that rising bankruptcy rates were caused not by profligate consumer spending but by middle-class families' attempts to buy homes in good school districts.[48] Warren worked in this field alongside colleagues Teresa A. Sullivan and Jay Westbrook, and the trio published their research in the book As We Forgive Our Debtors in 1989. Warren later recalled that she had begun her research believing that most people filing for bankruptcy were either working the system or had been irresponsible in incurring debts, but that she came to the conclusion that such abuse was in fact rare and that the legal framework for bankruptcy was poorly designed, describing the way the research challenged her fundamental beliefs as "worse than disillusionment" and "like being shocked at a deep-down level".[46]
Warren joined the University of Pennsylvania Law School as a full professor in 1987 and obtained an endowed chair in 1990, becoming the William A. Schnader Professor of Commercial Law. In 1992 she taught for a year at Harvard Law School as Robert Braucher Visiting Professor of Commercial Law. In 1995 Warren left Penn to become Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law at Harvard Law School.[44] As of 2011 she was Harvard's only tenured law professor who had attended law school at an American public university.[47] Warren was a highly influential law professor. Although she published in many fields, her expertise was in bankruptcy and commercial law. In that field, only Bob Scott of Columbia and Alan Schwartz of Yale were cited more often than Warren.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren#Academic
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SidDithers
(44,228 posts)No way can Warren compete with MLK 2.0
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)"MLK2.0"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)That an excellent, hard-working candidate like Sen Warren, who knows issues so well that she doesn't have to rely on bumper sticker slogans, has risen in the polls so far, so fast
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lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Ive got a plan for that.
Race matters.
Big structural change.
Im running for president because thats what girls do.
Dream big, fight hard, and win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)By suggesting that she relies on slogans rather than solutions. I'm sure most Democrats agree that she has a deep, rich understanding of issues and has a comprehensive plan to confront many of our challenges
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,899 posts)you know it.
EW is ahead of BS in Wisconsin now because she actually does have plans.. and you would know that if you paid attention.
Link to tweet
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marylandblue
(12,344 posts)My favorite is, Im running for president because thats what girls do.
I hope my little girl gets that message.
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mcar
(42,206 posts)But I see what you attempted to do. What are Bernie's slogans?
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The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)Harris, Buttigieg, Booker, Beto... there are a lot of great options. Why would she pick an 80 year old VP?
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Cha
(295,899 posts)her VP if she gets the nom.
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MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Why would she want all that negative energy in her campaign? Not to mention she would have nothing to do with this democratic socialist nonsense.
I am not a Democratic Socialist.
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wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Martin Eden
(12,801 posts)And who, among all the candidates, has garnered the most from the primaries so far?
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aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)It's also not even remotely related to the tweet.
That aside, if Sanders didn't want to win, he wouldn't have run. All candidates have multiple goals, but for the major ones, winning is a prerequisite to achieving them.
The same goes for Sanders.
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Cha
(295,899 posts)would he have hired, Nina Turner, David Sirota, and Brianha Joy Gray, former Jill Stein voters and advocators.. as top staff?
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Skid Rogue
(711 posts)If she wins, I will proudly cast my vote for her.
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Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)he would drop out of the race (He's not going to win. He's just not) and throw his support to Warren. (Warren could win. Could)
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customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)she's overtaking him. Same issues, pretty much the same positions, and she doesn't have his baggage.
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Irishxs
(622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bhkylib
(26 posts)I love some of her policies. I'm not yet sold on her electability though.
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Cha
(295,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)for a woman for president.
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saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)rump supporting burners?
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)The small amount of Sanders supporters who are left are simply against things. They will not shift to someone who actually wants to move forward. Success is their nemesis. There is just not that much left of Sanders base for others to eat into. The true believers are sold on the person and the "revolution." Both mere images.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,998 posts)I am amused that sanders is so upset but sanders claim that moderate Democrats are the reason for Warren's rise is false. sanders is losing liberal members of the party https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/19/sanders-wants-democrats-think-that-warrens-gains-are-function-moderates-they-arent/?utm_term=.d25c4a40d7a0
It doesnt take much reading between the lines here to understand Sanderss argument: Centrists are circling around Warren (per Politico) because they are afraid of legitimate progressive positions like his own.
Setting aside the question of how robustly Sanderss big-ticket policies differ from Warrens, theres another, bigger problem with that argument: Its not what polls show is happening.
Link to tweet
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And so it does. In Monmouths polls over the past few months, Warrens surge has been a function of voters who identify as liberals. In April, she earned 8 percent of the vote among those who identify as liberal. In the new poll, she moved into a tie with former vice president Joe Biden.
Bidens in the overall lead in national primary polling because he fares much better than Warren, Sanders or anyone else among more moderate Democrats. In the most recent poll, Biden gets 40 percent of the moderate vote to Sanderss 10 percent and Warrens 6.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden