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highplainsdem

(48,917 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:38 AM Jun 2019

New ChangeResearch poll for MINNESOTA has Warren leading Biden by 1 point (21-20)

2020 MINNESOTA DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY:

Warren: 21%
Biden: 20%
Sanders: 19%
Klobuchar: 16%
Buttigieg: 11%
Harris: 4%
O'Rourke: 3%
Yang: 2%
(all others 1% or less)









https://www.changeresearch.com/minnesota-poll-june-8-12-2019



Editing to add that as good as this news is for Warren, Klobuchar's unusually strong showing in this poll probably had more to do with Warren beating Biden than anything else, since Klobuchar apparently picked up some of what is usually Biden support among Democrats who consider themselves only somewhat liberal, or moderate. If you changed Klobuchar's numbers closer to what they are in most polls, and gave the voters taken from her to Biden, that would make this state poll look very much like the others.
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Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
1. Wow.. good for Sen Warren
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:40 AM
Jun 2019

My hubby will be a happy camper.. He is in the Warren camp..

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highplainsdem

(48,917 posts)
2. I've edited the OP to note that Klobuchat getting 16% in MN, much higher than elsewhere, probably
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:00 AM
Jun 2019

cut into Biden's numbers more than any other candidate's and gave Warren that 1-point win.

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DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
3. I support
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:27 AM
Jun 2019

Biden because he can beat trump. It's not who you like or who I like. It's who can win the Electoral College and beat trump. It will take a long time to undo the damage done by trump and the repubs. We have to appeal to those who are moderate if we want to win,

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
4. Biden needs to win the nomination to beat Trump.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:41 PM
Jun 2019

Biden hasn't received a single vote yet for the nomination, and many of your fellow Democrats see the race differently than Biden supporters do.

Plus, the drop in support from the Democratic base in 2016 probably had more to do with the key losses than losing moderates. In Wisconsin in 2016, Clinton got over 200K less votes than Obama in 2012, Trump got about the same number of votes as Romney. We need a candidate that best excites the Democratic base to win, and it may not be Biden.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
6. Are you suggesting that Inslee is that "exciting candidate"?
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:55 PM
Jun 2019
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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
9. Inslee is for me and some others.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:59 PM
Jun 2019

He has a great deal of successful experience as a chief executive and in Congress. Independent minded but a good consensus builder. I didn't know much about him myself until primary season.

Not enough appreciation is given to the quality of candidates in this primary. Too much horse race and not enough substantive discussion of qualifications, vision, and skillset as related to the issues we face.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
12. And too much empty rhetoric flying around about some candidates being more "exciting" than....
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:39 AM
Jun 2019

others. If Biden weren't "exciting" a good portion of the base, he wouldn't be leading in all the polls. The horse race you speak of, qualifications and skillset aren't mutually exclusive. Biden has them all in spades.

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
13. I agree to a point. Many perceive Biden in the way you suggest
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:17 PM
Jun 2019

but opinions on Biden being the best candidate are far from unanimous. There is still a 10-15% share that favor Warren and Sanders, and Buttigieg and Harris are in high single digits. It's early.

I respect the different insights that Democrats bring to the primary season. Biden and Inslee have different kinds of significant experiences in leadership. And yes, Biden is leading in the polls, but not in votes, since no one has voted yet. I don't mind a more muted style - I supported our new Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers in the primary, who was criticized fairly widely for being boring, and Inslee isn't exactly Mr. Excitement when it comes to style. But I am very excited by his public record and his legislative agenda as a candidate for president.

IMO, not all of Biden's experience indicates that he would have the full set of priorities that I value most as a voter. Income inequality, climate change, and the rise in racial tension are my 3 biggest issues, and Inslee's record as a governor and in Congress give me the most confidence in his leadership on these issues. Biden was a prominent presence on climate issues early in his career and I find him to be ok, clearly not best in the field, when it comes to addressing racial issues. I don't think he has the interest or the voting record to challenge and change policies that produced income inequality like Warren does, who for me is a very close second to Inslee.

But, opinions vary.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
14. IOW, Biden doesn't "excite" YOU. And you can only speak for YOU, unless you have empirical data...
Tue Jun 18, 2019, 01:18 AM
Jun 2019

to back up the claim that Biden isn't as "exciting" as some others. For me, personally, Inslee's not a very "exciting" candidate, but I can only speak for ME.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
5. I caution everyone to take these self selected "online polls" with a huge grain of salt.
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:53 PM
Jun 2019

Change Research is not very well rated by 538, and has a Republican lean.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

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highplainsdem

(48,917 posts)
7. It's C+ rated. The SC poll I posted earlier today, with Biden with a wide lead, is a ChangeResearch
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 12:57 PM
Jun 2019
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Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
8. There's nothing random about an online poll. One has to opt in to participate. C+ doesn't...
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jun 2019

instill confidence for me personally. However, some people enjoy polls, and aren't as discriminating.

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JI7

(89,241 posts)
10. it's not unusual for Klobuchar to be doing better in her state
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:04 PM
Jun 2019

than in other places.

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karynnj

(59,498 posts)
11. I would state the analysis differently
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:47 PM
Jun 2019

In her home state, Klobuchar is stronger than elsewhere and that additional strength comes mostly from people who are more likely to be Biden's supporters elsewhere.

However, Warren's numbers are higher than I have seen to date. Clearly she is becoming the progressive candidate. It is also interesting that she is beating Klobuchar in her home state.

It is also clear the question pushed for responders to make a choice as there are few undecided.

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