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Chuck Todd Spends Three Minutes Asking Mayor Pete if African-Americans May Be Too Homophobic...

Chuck Todd Spends Three Minutes Asking Mayor Pete if African-Americans May Be Too Homophobic to Vote For Him

By Tommy Christopher June 16th, 2019, 1:06 pm

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On Sunday morning’s edition of NBC News’ Meet the Press, Todd read Buttigieg a quote from Rev. Rodric Reid that posed Mayor Pete’s sexuality as a sticking point with black voters.

Todd said that while many Democrats “are excited” about Buttigieg’s campaign, “you hear the whisper, ‘But, oh, I don’t know. Can he get African American support?'”

“I want to read you a quote from the Reverend Rodric Reid that the Indianapolis Star interviewed,” Todd continued. “He’s a pastor at the Uplift Church in Indianapolis. Here’s what he said. ‘I guarantee it’s going to be an obstacle.'”

“This is about the fact that you’re married to another man,” Todd interjected, then continued to quote Reid. “‘I guarantee it’s going to be an obstacle for the candidate from South Bend. That is really still a touchy subject, specifically and especially in the African American church. Now, I think it could be overcome, because we are gradually getting to a point of, and I don’t want to say ‘accept,’ but we are getting to a point of realizing this is the culture that we are going to have to begin to live with and adapt to it.'”

“I know you’re trying to have these conversations with a lot of African Americans,” Todd said, and asked “How are they going?”

“They’re going well, and we are working very hard to engage people across the party, but especially black voters, who expect you to demonstrate, especially when you’re new on the scene, what your values are and how you’re going to promote policies that lift them up,” Buttigieg said, adding that “I also think we have a moment on our hands when we can do the exact opposite of what the president has done.”

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:59 PM

1. I love how he doesn't duck the hard questions, like this one.

 

I could get used to that!

So many politicians, many of them in fact, do just the opposite. They duck, they divert, they do anything but truly answer and it makes me crazy.

He learns from his mistakes and goes forward from that--how refreshing!

These are just some of the reasons why he's my candidate.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:19 AM

64. Well stated, Peggy

 

Pete is the genuine article and he tackles all questions head on.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:18 PM

2. Just because you are from one marginalized group...

 

... doesn't mean you are going to have enlightened attitudes towards other marginalized groups.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:40 PM

7. see his 92nd St Y interview

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=tbQ1A2cHOSQ


At about one hour in: "All of us have to to be ready to stand up for each other. .. All of us have to figure out what's in our identity and use it as a source of solidarity for others. Because anybody can be marginalized and so many right now are. . . that if we don't stick together, we can never know who's going to be next"
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Response to MBS (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:00 PM

14. I am talking about everyone and everythig.

 

Misogyny is not unique to white men.

White women who face sexism can be racist.

African Americans can be homophobic and antisemitic.

Jews can be racist.

LGBT people can racist.


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Response to nycbos (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:46 PM

11. Are you talking about Pete or the AA community?

 

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:01 PM

15. I am talking about everyone and everythig.

 


Misogyny is not unique to white men.

White women who face sexism can be racist.

African Americans can be homophobic and antisemitic.

Jews can be racist.

LGBT people can racist.
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Response to nycbos (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:17 PM

25. Could not agree more

 

Lots of folks around here seem to forget that.
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Response to nycbos (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:31 PM

41. Thank you. We need to understand this because denial is not the first step to being able to

 

create a less racist, homophobic, misogynist, anti-Semitic, anti-Islam society.
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Response to nycbos (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:00 PM

13. Oh for fuck's sake

 

Try listening to the entire interview, better yet, listen to his Capehart interview.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:20 PM

3. The question was out of line.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:41 PM

8. especially Chuck going on and on about it for over 3 minutes

 

Not one of Chuck's finer or more insightful moments.
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Response to MBS (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:44 PM

9. I think we can fit Chuck's better and insightful moments on the head of a pin

 

And still have room to make breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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Response to JDC (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:54 PM

12. Yes, for sure -

 

It's especially embarrassing when he thinks he's saying something really insightful
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Response to MBS (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:13 PM

17. I was glad to see it happen

 

Pete's had some pretty softball interviews, like with Rachel Maddow and even Tweety, seeing how he keeps his cool in the face of an idiot droning on about one point gives me a lot of confidence that he has the ability to go the distance. He's surely going to face more of this over time, and his answers were brilliant ways of defusing the situation.

He looks way more mature than what would be expected of a 37 year old.
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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:23 PM

18. Yes, our candidates definitely benefit from tough questions.

 

In the 2004 presidential primaries, a columnist for the Boston Globe (Kevin ? McCarthy? really good local columnist) wrote, "Campaigns are long for a reason" and went on to offer a compelling case for the need and the duty for voters and journalists to basically "kick the tires" thoroughly. (If memory serves, he was also using this POV as a means of arguing the value of the early, more intimate primaries in smaller states such as Iowa and NH, where candidates meet voters one-on-one, both for the voters AND the candidates themselves). Our general nominee will need to be well-practiced, well-vetted, well-trained, and well-armed before dealing with MF45.
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Response to MBS (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:29 PM

20. Good points

 

I do wish that the "first" primaries and caucuses would be held in a rotating order of states. It is bizarre that two small states always go first.

But, since the last election, I moved to SC, and will get a chance to see what living in an early primary state is all about.
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Response to MBS (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:54 PM

30. the question was fine; maybe the 3 minute thing was too much

 

I remember talking to a black co-worker during the campaign for Prop 8; I had assumed she was going to vote against it because she worked and was friends with 2 gay men.

When I asked her a question about it, she gave me the impression that she was going to vote for it.

African American voters are more conservative on the whole than other Democratic leaning groups, especially if they're church-going.

It was a valid question.
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Response to MBS (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:26 AM

76. Do you mean to say Chuck has had 'finer moments?" I don;t think so,

 






He's a paid for asshole shill.. just like ________________ fill in the blank.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:33 PM

4. It is a justifiable question as the black community, especially black churches are not gay friendly

 

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:38 PM

6. see his interview with Jonathan Capehart

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=tbQ1A2cHOSQ

Capehart addresses this directly at about 13 minutes of the interview (Capehart cited 2 older A-A evangelicals, including his own mom, who volunteered their interest in Buttigieg)
At about one hour into the interview, Mayor Pete addresses directly the importance of inclusivity.
Check it out!
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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:45 PM

10. +1

 

That reality seems to make some folks here uncomfortable.
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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:25 PM

26. You do realize there are gay black people, don't you?

 

And that they have friends and relatives who accept them?
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Response to cwydro (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:57 PM

31. OMG

 

really?

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Response to cwydro (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:41 PM

47. some of them do

 

others have families that throw them out (like the student in my class whose mother did just that). We get upwards of 90% of the black vote as a party and it is foolish to think that there aren't some homophobic blacks in that number. No the average black voter isn't more likely to be homophobic than the average white voter but the average black Democratic voter is considerably more likely to be homophobic than the typical Democratic white voter is since white homophobes have a party, it is called the GOP.
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Response to dsc (Reply #47)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:26 PM

48. "The average black Democratic voter is considerably more likely to be homophobic than the typical

 

Democratic white voter...”

Wow. I can’t believe I’m reading this here.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #48)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:02 PM

51. +1000. nt

 

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Response to cwydro (Reply #48)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:00 AM

61. Substitute "racist" for "homophobic" and "LGBT"/"straight" for "black"/"white"

 

and I wonder if such a post would be allowed to stand.
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Response to namahage (Reply #61)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:36 AM

66. It's an incredibly offensive post.

 

I agree with what you said.
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Response to namahage (Reply #61)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:09 AM

69. it should be as it is likely true

 

We get 75% of the LGBT vote on average (I think Clinton did slightly better in 2016 than we usually do but within the MOE). As a gay male I know full well that more than 25% of white LGBT people are racist to some degree. Even if all the racist LGBT voters don't vote for us, that leaves a non trivial number who do. I think the percentage of straight white racists who vote for us is miniscule. I would be amazed if the average white LGBT Democratic voter weren't more likely to be racist than the average white non LGBT Democratic voter. Racists and white anti LGBT voters have a place, it is called the GOP. While some of them may not go there, I don't think many of them vote for us. Europe provides us some insight. The far right parties in both France and the Netherlands did quite well among gay voters and had gays ranking high in their parties.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/05/04/a-third-of-french-gays-are-voting-for-marine-le-pen-who-will-abolish-same-sex-marriage/

The poll at that link was of gay men only (I think lesbians were likely less likely to vote for Le Pen)

People aren't monolithic on issues. When you get very high percentages of a group of voters then within that group there is going to be a pretty far range of position on issues. When you get a smaller percent of a group of voters then within that group there will be less range of position. Our percentage of the white vote has fallen below 40 and is likely to stay there barring a blow out win. Obama won a higher percentage of the total vote than Gore but Gore did better among whites. Clinton did worse among white than Obama did. The whites who do vote for us are going to have less variation in terms of ideology than either LGBT voters or blacks. So yes, I do think white LGBT Democratic voters are more likely to be racist than white straight Democratic voters.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #48)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:44 AM

67. Like it or not it is true

 

In 2000 the white vote went 42 Gore 55 Bush the black vote 90 Gore 9 Bush
In 2004 the white vote went 41 Kerry 58 Bush the black vote 88 Gore 11 Bush
In 2016 the white vote went 37 Clinton 57 Trump the black vote 89 Clinton 8 Trump

That averages to 40 percent of the white vote and 89 percent of the black vote.

https://www.pollingreport.com/lgbt.htm

The link above features links to many polls given on lgbt rights I am using numbers from the first and second poll listed (The Quinnipiack and the Public Religion).

Since neither are broken down by race I am going to make the assumption that blacks are 90% as likely to be homophoblic as the population as a whole while whites are equally likely to be. Thus when a poll says 23% of people aren't open to voting for a gay or lesbian presidential candidate that about 21% of blacks and 23% of white think that way. I honestly think they are equally likely but since I don't have data to back that up I am trying to be conservative in my assumption.

The first Q poll question is openness to voting for a gay or lesbian candidate it split 70% yes 23 % no 7 % unsure. Using my assumption above that means 21% of black voters and 23% of white ones aren't open to voting for a gay or lesbian candidate. Since 89% of blacks vote for Democrats that means 11% don't. Let's assume, likely correctly that all 11% of them answered no, that leaves 10% of those nos voting Democratic. 10/89 = 11%. Now 11% of 40% is 4.4% thus the 23% of whites who answered no would have to split 4.4 Democratic and 18.6 GOP for the likelihood to be equal. That would be us getting nearly 20% of the white voters who won't vote for a gay or lesbian presidential candidate. I just don't think that is remotely close to true since white homophobes have a party, it is called the GOP.

The Public religion poll features a question on laws protecting LGBT in housing, employment and public accommodations. 25% oppose or strongly oppose such a law. By above that would be 22.5% of blacks and 25% of whites. Using the same method as above, we get 11.5/89 or 13% of black Democratic voters answering oppose or strongly oppose. That would translate to a 5.2% 19.8% split among whites for the likelihood to be equal. That would mean we get 20.8% of the votes of whites who oppose or strongly oppose those laws. Again, I don't think that is remotely likely.



In a primary I think these numbers would be tough for Pete to overcome. Now on the good news side the percentage of black Democrats he has a shot at is pretty high 87 to 89. He has other issues to be fair. But I do think that at least 11% of blacks won't vote for him in a primary under pretty much any circumstances. In the general, who knows. Trump is pretty hated, for good reason, by black Democratic voters. Hillary did average among the 3 candidates and Trump did the worst among the 2 GOP candidates. I don't see black Democratic voters voting for Trump the question is would they stay home instead. I have no earthly idea how many would do that. I hope very few if any. But it merits discussion. We can't pretend that problems don't exist when they do.


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Response to dsc (Reply #67)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 08:01 AM

68. No, it's not "true." It's your assumption.

 

Nice try though.

You seem to have a very low opinion for the intelligence of POC, assuming they vote on this one issue and would not vote for an otherwise qualified candidate simply based on sexual orientation.

My black friends and co-workers vote as my white friends and co-workers do - on a variety of issues that are important to them. I’m gay, but that’s not my number one issue in voting.

Really can’t believe you think this about POC; they are not a monolithic voting group.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #68)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:11 AM

72. You are mixing up all with some

 

Look, in terms of percentages it isn't alot but likely more than with white Democrats. But in a primary where every vote counts it could make a big difference. It is you who assume they are monolithic not I. You assume that 89% of blacks, all blacks, are non homophobic in a country where about 1/4 of the population is. You, not I, are assuming less variation in the view of blacks. That is the definition, by the way of monolithic. We get a much, much wider slice of black voters than we do of white voters (89% vs 40%). So there will be more variation in the 89% than the 40% unless there is significantly less variation in blacks than whites. I certainly don't think all or most or even a great deal of black Democrats are single issue voters. But when 23% of the general population says flat out I won't consider a lesbian or gay candidate for President, we can assume a non trivial number of all groups believe that. Now, to what extent would facing a choice of Buttigieg or Trump drive that number down, I don't know? Neither do you.

You live in the South now I don't know where you work but I work in a school. Teachers tend to be more likely to be Democrats than GOP even in the South where I live as well. Still in my building many white teachers vote GOP despite the fact they literally but their salaries. Why, due to abortion and guns. I doubt we do much better than a 50/50 split in terms of white teachers in my building which is good for white vote in NC but given that the GOP cut our salaries, took away our tenure, and denigrate us continually in the press we should be getting about 100% of that vote.
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Response to dsc (Reply #72)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:06 PM

77. Tell us if you think white voters are "considerably more likely" to be racist?

 

Hmm?
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Response to cwydro (Reply #77)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:26 PM

78. yes actually

 

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:19 AM

75. Some seem to forget how much black support for Proposition 8 in California...

 

...there actually was. Almost 60% supported banning gay marriage. Why it is so problematic to discuss this? No idea.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 02:34 PM

5. Way to go Chuckie.

 

Trying to state a new divisive Narrative. The so called Political Advisor for Comcast Media is sure showing his true colors once again. No Chuckie,nobody will touch you with a ten foot pole as a Campaign Manager ever.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:05 PM

16. Chuck Todd always seems out of his depth

 

Chuck should stick to reporting about the White House Soup of the Day.
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Response to sop (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:29 AM

62. He's insufferable. I can't bring myself to watch him at at. nt

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 03:27 PM

19. Homophobia is real in black religious communities

 

It's an uncomfortable truth. I've always thought Pete would have a tough time with southern blacks because of this. To say it doesn't exist, is putting your head in the sand. This comes from someone who is a black southerner.
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Response to Bhkylib (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:30 PM

28. I was in a long term relationship with a black woman. She's from the south, as am I.

 

There are gay black people too, you know.

Throughout my life, working with, living with, and knowing black folks here in the south - I can say I got more crap from white people than I ever got from anyone who is black.

In fact, I can’t think of a single time I heard a derogatory remark from anybody black that I’ve known. Whites, on the other hand, freely expressed their disapproval on occasion.
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Response to Bhkylib (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:56 AM

59. Of course it exists. But its an unfair question because it exists just as much

 

in the white evangelical community. They built real political power off of their hate of gays. - Ask Jerry Falwell and the Orange Juice Lady. He's not asking him about support of white evangelical southerners is he?

Blacks are not more homophobic than whites. Its a tired old trope that needs to die. If you are comparing Religious folks, bigoted folks - Apples to Apples - Absolutely
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:04 PM

21. Unfortunately this will be a hurdle he can't overcome

 

as far as winning the nomination, there is no path without black support.

He's in a bind career wise as well, he can't win statewide office in Indiana anytime soon. I think his best shot is to angle for the VP nomination but I think more than likely Biden will be searching for a female running mate.
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Response to madville (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:11 PM

22. Wrong

 

Pete will have plenty of Black support. As well, he is way too smart for a VP slot.
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Response to leftofcool (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:25 PM

24. We'll see how SC goes

 

That will pretty much indicate how he can expect to perform from NC all the way to TX.

He could land a good gig in the next administration probably.
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Response to madville (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:36 PM

42. You think all POC are homophobes? Is that right?

 

I can’t believe what I read here sometimes.

Several black churches marched in the last pride parade I attended.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:42 PM

81. No, but enough to. Cost us the election.

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 04:20 PM

23. There's nothing wrong with that question.

 

It's a legitimate question. The Af. American community has a higher percentage of religious followers than other demographic groups in the Democratic Party, so it's a legit question to ask if that makes being gay a higher hurdle in that demographic than some others.

That doesn't mean Buttigieg can't overcome the disadvantage, or at least make the situation better. Still, it's a hurdle the others don't have. His youth is another obstacle.

This is the first time an openly gay person has run for President. His homosexuality is going to keep some voters from voting for him, like some voters won't vote for a woman to be Commander in Chief.

Kamala Harris has obstacles of her own. Not only is she of mixed race, but she's a woman, too.

Biden is older than anyone who's ever been elected. Warren, Klobuchar, & Gabbard have the woman issue. Cory Booker has the race issue, but I think Obama made that almost nonexistent for black males for most voters.



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Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:28 PM

27. Out of the many problems Pete has with reaching the African American community, Homophobia is the

 

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least of them.

To say that another way. One party protects and advances LGBT+ rights and freedoms, and that party overwhelming gets the majority of African American voters. Another party receives the majority of white voters, and all that party does is attacks LGBT+ rights and freedoms.

So I can't speak for religious black people, but the reality is they don't vote on their homophobia.
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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:09 PM

33. Your analysis applies to the general election

 

The primary is a whole different story. The will vote for the Democrat in the general of course but it is a big factor in the primary when there are plenty of Democratic candidates to choose from.
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Response to madville (Reply #33)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:29 PM

36. Yet, Chicago's mayoral race had multiple Democrats running.

 

They picked and overwhelming elected the gay candidate.
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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:41 PM

37. What does Chicago have to do with Southern Bible Belt Black voters?

 

Apples and oranges.
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Response to madville (Reply #37)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:38 PM

43. I live in the south.

 

I’ve never seen homophobia from any POC I’ve worked with, dated, or been neighbors with.

I have seen it from whites. And I’m seeing it right here on this board, not so cleverly disguised either.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:05 PM

45. Last week people were very concerned about Pete's wardrobe.

 

Things that make you hmmmm...
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 08:09 PM

46. Yes, I remember that.

 

I don’t think homophobic people realize how easy they are to spot.

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Response to madville (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:51 AM

58. Those black Chicago Democrats came from Southern Bible belt blacks.

 

Are you referring to that old hackneyed belief that northern blacks are different from southern blacks?
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 05:42 PM

29. This really bothers me

 

How many public white homophobes are there? How many in the GOP? How many have started anti-LBGTQ organizations? I remind my friend of that every time he brings up a black homophobe. I do not believe homophobia is more of a problem among black religious nuts than white ones.
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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:06 PM

32. That's all well and good but

 

White homophobes don't typically vote in our primary, millions of Black ones do however and their opinion carries considerable weight in this contest.
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Response to madville (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:16 PM

35. Good point

 

Thanks.
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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:57 PM

44. Thank you.

 

I can’t believe so many here who seem to believe all POC are homophobic.

This is unreal.
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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 09:32 PM

49. exactly, why doesn't he show concern for actual bigots in power who are passing bigoted laws

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:14 PM

34. No, but perhaps Todd is too homophobic, and racist is the appropriate response

 

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Sun Jun 16, 2019, 06:57 PM

38. I hate Chuck Todd. I just absolutely hate him.

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:01 PM

39. And gay black Americans don't exist to Chuck Todd

 

Plenty of black churches here in my neighborhood had their pride flags out next to their black lives matter flags.

More conservative black Americans would still vote against Trump if Mayor Pete is the nominee.
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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #39)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 07:15 PM

40. Thank you.

 

Apparently we have posters here who are unaware that they exist also.

I’m kind of getting over this whole “POC are homophobic” meme, which seems to be floating around here lately.

Generalizations are never good, and rarely true.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 10:55 PM

50. I can't stand Chuck Todd, and I'm so glad that Pete hasn't entertained that bullshit

 

theory because it is an offensive stereotype. Pete has it exactly right:

black voters, who expect you to demonstrate, especially when you’re new on the scene, what your values are and how you’re going to promote policies that lift them up,”


Also, you have to show that you can WIN. Period! The moment it appears that Pete can win a national election, things would change in a heartbeat (assuming the police chief incident is thoroughly explained and dealt with).
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:10 PM

52. "African Americans remain less likely than white Americans to support same-sex marriage"

 

African Americans remain less likely than white Americans to support same-sex marriage, as has been the case for several years. But at the same time, a new Pew Research Center survey finds that a majority of blacks – a significantly bigger share than among whites – say that wedding-related businesses, such as caterers or florists, should be required to provide wedding services to gay and lesbian couples.

Our aggregated 2014 polling has found that about four-in-ten black Americans (42 %) support same-sex marriage, 11 percentage points below the comparable figure among whites (53%). Meanwhile, seven-in-ten African Americans (70%) say that homosexual behavior is a sin, compared with 47% of whites who say this, according to our new survey.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/07/blacks-are-lukewarm-to-gay-marriage-but-most-say-businesses-must-provide-wedding-services-to-gay-couples/


Don't avoid questions simply because they're uncomfortable.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #52)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:12 PM

53. that's 5 years ago. and when it comes to voting black voters still vote for pro gay candidates in

 

far higher numbers than white voters .
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Response to JI7 (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:17 PM

54. 'He's white, male and gay': Buttigieg hits obstacles with black voters -- May 15, 2019

 

Joe Darby, a prominent pastor in Charleston, S.C., was discussing the Democratic presidential field with fellow clergymen when Pete Buttigieg’s name came up. A fellow pastor quickly interjected.

“Isn’t that the dude who kissed his husband on TV?” the person asked skeptically, according to Darby.

The exchange highlights a major obstacle for Buttigieg, who’s vaulted into the top tier of Democratic candidates without gaining traction among African Americans, according to recent surveys of national and South Carolina Democrats. But as the mayor of South Bend, Ind., devotes more effort to campaigning for black votes in the South and elsewhere, he will have to break down some resistance over his sexual orientation, particularly among older voters, according to interviews with more than a dozen African American activists, political strategists and clergy, as well as a review of public polling.

Buttigieg and his campaign are well aware of the issue. As he skips from sold-out fundraisers to overflowing rallies around the country, Buttigieg set aside time last week for a smaller gathering of black LGBTQ faith leaders and activists in Houston. Gathered around a glass coffee table, Buttigieg opened up to the group of a dozen about his record with African Americans as mayor in South Bend, Ind. — an area that has generated some criticism — as well as his agenda for black voters and his experience as an openly gay candidate for president, including the challenges he may face.

“He’s white, male and gay, all three of those things are going to create obstacles for various communities — specifically, I think, the white and the gay, for the black community, are definitely going to be obstacles for him,” said Harrison Guy, a Houston-based choreographer and LGBTQ activist who led the discussion with the mayor. “He’s very aware of that.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/15/pete-buttigieg-black-voters-1322396
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #54)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:22 PM

55. You're quoting comments from a pastor as evidence?

 

Most people don't even go to church these days. But by all means, continue to make broad assumptions based on articles and quotes from random pastors.
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Response to ecstatic (Reply #55)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 07:29 AM

65. If you think that 'most' southern A-A voters don't go to church and/or are pretty religious, you are

 

fundamentally misinformed.
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Response to Celerity (Reply #65)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:06 AM

70. I've lived in the South for quite some time.

 

Maybe the entire metro Atlanta area is an exception, but most people do not attend church. At least not the 55 and under crowd. Most identify as Christian, and there are a lot of churches, including mega churches, but I don't know anyone who attends more than once a year, if that. A lot of people aspire to find a church and attend regularly, but never get around to it, so polling on the topic might lead to misleading results. The exception would be Jehovah's witnesses. They attend fairly regularly. I don't know their views on gay people and gay marriage, but one of my cousins grew up in that religion and is openly gay.
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Response to ecstatic (Reply #70)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:08 AM

71. Are you A-A? That is what I was addressing.

 

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Response to Celerity (Reply #71)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 09:19 AM

73. Yes.

 

There are so many openly gay black people living and working in Atlanta and the surrounding counties. I'm sure they run into homophobes here and there, black and white.

As others have repeatedly pointed out, the Democratic party supports gay rights and black voters overwhelmingly support the Democratic party.

I'm so sick of people (including black) always reflexively believing the worst about black people. This is why cops and others still get away with lynchings, etc--because as long as the cop or vigilante has an "excuse," regardless of how outlandish, people will believe it.
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Response to ecstatic (Reply #73)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 10:05 AM

74. I am a mixed race lesbian, and I also know Atlanta a bit.

 

My sister lived in Buckhead, near Phipps Plaza for 4 years, whilst she was a dating one of her ex'bf's, and I visited her on multiple occasions. I would say that Atlanta (both white and non-white) is not nearly as conservative (with obvious and large exceptions) as the non-metro dwelling southern populace in general, with a fair amount of that due to a major influx of non-native southerners into the Metro Atlanta area.

I am half West Indian, and homophobia (often overt and quite widespread), is unfortunately endemic in many of the islands themselves and also our diaspora both in the US and also where I grew up, the UK (I am London-raised). Whilst maybe not as pervasive as it is within the West Indian (and Caribbean as a whole) community, my entire life experiences across a broad swathe of both geographical and socio-economic spectra show that our American communities of colour have far to go to help eradicate a deeply-set current of anti-LGBTQ bias. Having had two gay brothers in my own family has truly helped re-enforce this, unfortunately.

The myriad number of southern blacks (and people of colour in general) I know (both queer and straight, cis-gendered and not) have led me to have hope that this will be overcome, but also to be very aware that it is far from being a non-issue, especially amongst the older generations. The influence of the church within the A-A community, from my multiple perspectives (based upon my own observations, anecdotal experiences, and also empirical evidence) remains very strong, and unfortunately sometimes has a very regressive/reactionary streak contained within it at certain levels.
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Response to ecstatic (Reply #70)

Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:30 PM

79. Jehovah's Witness is one of the most homophobic religions

 

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Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:41 PM

80. I have seen it with some of the kids i work with...POC are pretty traditional

 

About marriage...a sizable percentage won't support Mayor Pete in my opinion.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:27 PM

56. Mayor Pete definitely smarter than chuck todd

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Sun Jun 16, 2019, 11:52 PM

57. this was such bait

 

Chuckie is an evil little troll.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019, 12:57 AM

60. Because, ever so often, Chuck Todd does in fact address the elephant in the room...

 

...and this is, without a doubt, the elephant in the room for Mayor Pete. He can overcome it, for sure, but it's going to take a lot of effort on his part. A lot.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:55 AM

63. I first started hearing this in MSM 3 or 4 months ago, when he got

 

in, and it became the accepted norm here subsequently. I have no idea whether it's true or false but it's a similar meme to black people won't vote for Obama in 2008 because they didn't believe an African American could win.

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