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TexasTowelie

(112,119 posts)
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 06:59 PM Jun 2019

Jay Inslee's 2020 plan: Become president, save the planet

DAVENPORT — The heap of ashes behind Jay Inslee used to be an acute-care center in Paradise, Calif.

Now it was a backdrop for the message the Democrat was about to bring to the 2020 presidential campaign trail — the message he has embraced for more than two decades.

“We can’t allow climate deniers in the White House,” Inslee said in a short video he posted to Twitter soon after the deadly November wildfire. “You can’t stand here and say you don’t believe in climate change.”

Inslee, who is serving his second term as governor of Washington, doesn’t see climate change as an issue for the next president of the United States to address. He sees it as the issue.

Read more: https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/government/jay-inslee-talks-climate-change-to-iowa-flood-victims-20190619

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NNadir

(33,512 posts)
1. Unfortunately, his "plan" to address climate change, while well intentioned, and very popular...
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:42 PM
Jun 2019

...with the members of our party, will not work.

We saw CO2 concentrations this year of 415 ppm, which is roughly 25 ppm higher than 10 years ago.

I note that in this period, on the planet as a whole, we spent over two trillion dollars on solar and wind energy with no result other than the fact that this rate of increase, roughly 2.5 ppm per year is the fastest increase ever recorded.

I would submit that we are all in denial and attached to scientifically unsupportable views.

So called "renewable energy" has not worked, is not working and will not work to address climate change. The reason is physics. The low energy to mass ratio of so called "renewable energy" is unsustainable, meaning that it is not, in fact, renewable.

We do not need to repeat the tragedy of the 20th century in which we destroyed pristine river basins for "renewable energy" by trashing pristine wilderness, including continental shelves for wind turbines that will be nothing more than garbage in 20 years.

Rather than go in the opposite direction of dangerous fossil fuels, to systems with lower energy to mass ratios, we need to utilize systems that have extremely high energy to mass ratios.



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ancianita

(36,023 posts)
2. Inslees biggest Washington project is in tranforming all energy to clean, not renewable, energy.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:51 PM
Jun 2019
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NNadir

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4. Really? What EXACTLY is he doing? n/t.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:58 PM
Jun 2019
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ancianita

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7. I posted about it almost two months ago. EXACTLY what he's doing.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:06 PM
Jun 2019
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NNadir

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11. Not a whit of this plan is remotely sustainable. It is in effect, doing more nothing.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:44 PM
Jun 2019

It wasn't sustainable two months ago, two years ago, or twenty years ago.

It is, in fact, more of the same. It's just more "renewable energy will save us" bull.

Here's a clue for you: Almost all of the world's steel is coal intensive. The manufacture of steel requires heating coal under coking conditions, hundreds of degrees centigrade, for over 24 hours. Currently it takes about 700 grams of coal to make one kg of steel. Since the electrodes for the hall process depend on access to petroleum coke, all the world's aluminum is petroleum intensive. The isolation of lanthanides for magnets requires the extensive use of nitric acid, which is made by the reformation of dangerous natural gas and/or dangerous coal, followed oxidation, and complex extractions using petroleum based solvents.

I'm sorry, but this is just a shell game. It is scientifically nonsensical. It has not worked, it is not working, and will not work.

I note that over the last 50 years, I have increasingly regarded this "by 2000," "by 2025," "by 2030," "by 2050" and "by 'such and such a date'" with increasing disgust.

I am an old man. I was hearing "by 2020" crap in the 1970's. To my regret, I used to believe that stuff. I can easily see, since I am a scientist, and an environmentalist, where we are.

This junk is contemptible because it dumps responsibility on future generations to do what we are clearly incompetent to do ourselves.

Small children today "by 2030" will be looking, as young impoverished adults, at rotting wind farms leaking grease and needing to be hauled away. The best ores on the planet will have been used up, and the energy intensity of replacing them will be vastly larger. "By 2030" at this rate of 2.5 ppm per year which is increasing, the concentration of dangerous fossil fuel waste in the planetary atmosphere will be around 440 ppm.

There is no evidence that hydroelectric facilities, among other habitat destroying strategies in this "renewable energy will save us" scam will even operate in an atmosphere that hot.

It doesn't matter how many times you post this "plan." You can post it very day, five times a day. It will still be unworkable and it will still be nonsense.


Donald Fagen, more or less of my generation, wrote a fabulous song about the expectations of my generation:

Here at home we'll play in the city
Powered by the sun
Perfect weather for a streamlined world
There'll be spandex jackets one for everyone...

...On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from new york to paris
(more leisure for artists everywhere)
A just machine to make big decisions
Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision
We'll be clean when their work is done
We'll be eternally free yes and eternally young...


I grew old, and disgusted by my generation and I encourage future generations to not make the same mistake of buying into "by 'such and such a year'" nonsense.

Happily, there are members of the upcoming generation who do get it. I personally know some of them.

We have the technology to do something now but we would rather pander to popular opinion than actually do anything unpopular perhaps, but realistic.
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ancianita

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12. You link no proof. You have no argument. Nothing. AND. You misunderstand what you read.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:49 PM
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TexasTowelie

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5. I read recently that about 25% of the rise on CO2 is due to our buildings.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jun 2019

The production of steel and cement releases a great amount of CO2 for each unit of coke used in the smelters and kilns. One of the challenges that are scientists and engineers face is how to provide construction materials that reduce these emissions. We must also find a way to reuse scrap materials to provide longer usages than we have in our disposable economy. As a society we tend to neglect the costs that we input to make these materials since we only see the finished products.

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NNadir

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9. I AM a scientist and I spend a lot of time reading and thinking about precisely this subject.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:21 PM
Jun 2019

The wind industry, in particular, is mass intensive in concrete, steel and aluminum. If one adds to it's lanthanide requirements, coupled with the polymer requirements, the short lifetimes of wind turbines and the fact that it requires redundant systems to operate, the overwhelming majority of which utilize dangerous fossil fuels, one can easily discern it is not even remotely "clean."

I often post this excerpt from the scientific journal which has guided my thinking on this topic over the last ten years:

for an equivalent installed capacity, solar and wind facilities require up to 15 times more concrete, 90 times more aluminium, and 50 times more iron, copper and glass than fossil fuels or nuclear energy (Supplementary Fig. 1). Yet, current production of wind and solar energy meets only about 1% of global demand, and hydroelectricity meets about 7% (ref. 2).

If the contribution from wind turbines and solar energy to global energy production is to rise from the current 400 TWh (ref. 2) to 12,000 TWh in 2035 and 25,000 TWh in 2050, as projected by the World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF)7, about 3,200 million tonnes of steel, 310 million tonnes of aluminium and 40 million tonnes of copper will be required to build the latest generations of wind and solar facilities (Fig. 2).


Nature Geoscience volume 6, pages 894–896 (2013)

My son is in the process of becoming an outstanding materials science engineer, and I am discussing these kinds of topics all the time. There isn't a magic solution, and moreover there isn't time to invent "all new stuff."

The realities of the expenditure of over two trillion dollars in the last ten years alone on solar and wind are these:

In this century, world energy demand grew by 164.83 exajoules to 584.95 exajoules.

In this century, world gas demand grew by 43.38 exajoules to 130.08 exajoules.

In this century, the use of petroleum grew by 32.03 exajoules to 185.68 exajoules.

In this century, the use of coal grew by 60.25 exajoules to 157.01 exajoules.

In this century, the solar, wind, geothermal, and tidal energy on which people so cheerfully have bet the entire planetary atmosphere, stealing the future from all future generations, grew by 8.12 exajoules to 10.63 exajoules.

10.63 exajoules is under 2% of the world energy demand.

2018 Edition of the World Energy Outlook Table 1.1 Page 38 (I have converted MTOE in the original table to the SI unit exajoules in this text.)

There is one, and only one, form of energy that has a high enough energy to mass ratio to be sustainable at 500+ exajoules of annual energy demand: Nuclear energy.

Regrettably, people object to this form of energy on the grounds it's not perfect. Other forms of energy are allowed to kill in vast numbers without arrest because nuclear energy isn't perfect. Seven million deaths per year from air pollution are minimized if there is evidence that 5 people will die from radiation at Fukushima.

Nuclear energy need not be perfect to be vastly superior to everything else; it only needs to be vastly superior to everything else, which it is.

Unfortunately we don't grasp that scientific and engineering reality on the left; in thinking about climate change we are in the position - I use this analogy all the time - of an oncologist who can correctly diagnose breast cancer but announces to the patient that the appropriate way to treat the disease is to go to a shaman in Peru and smear oneself with magic potions the shaman has blessed.
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Celerity

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13. The new, safer nuclear reactors that might help stop climate change
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:49 PM
Jun 2019
From sodium-cooled fission to advanced fusion, a fresh generation of projects hopes to rekindle trust in nuclear energy.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/612940/the-new-safer-nuclear-reactors-that-might-help-stop-climate-change/

BP might not be the first source you go to for environmental news, but its annual energy review is highly regarded by climate watchers. And its 2018 message was stark: despite the angst over global warming, coal was responsible for 38% of the world’s power in 2017—precisely the same level as when the first global climate treaty was signed 20 years ago. Worse still, greenhouse-gas emissions rose by 2.7% last year, the largest increase in seven years.

Such stagnation has led many policymakers and environmental groups to conclude that we need more nuclear energy. Even United Nations researchers, not enthusiastic in the past, now say every plan to keep the planet’s temperature rise under 1.5 °C will rely on a substantial jump in nuclear energy. But we’re headed in the other direction. Germany is scheduled to shut down all its nuclear plants by 2022; Italy voted by referendum to block any future projects back in 2011. And even if nuclear had broad public support (which it doesn’t), it’s expensive: several nuclear plants in the US closed recently because they can’t compete with cheap shale gas.

“If the current situation continues, more nuclear power plants will likely close and be replaced primarily by natural gas, causing emissions to rise,” argued the Union of Concerned Scientists—historically nuclear skeptics—in 2018. If all those plants shut down, estimates suggest, carbon emissions would increase by 6%. At this point, the critical debate is not whether to support existing systems, says Edwin Lyman, acting director of the UCS’s nuclear safety project. “A more practical question is whether it is realistic that new nuclear plants can be deployed over the next several decades at the pace needed.”

As of early 2018 there were 75 separate advanced fission projects trying to answer that question in North America alone, according to the think tank Third Way. These projects employ the same type of reaction used in the conventional nuclear reactors that have been used for decades—fission, or splitting atoms.

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Thorium could power the next generation of nuclear reactors

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2145535-thorium-could-power-the-next-generation-of-nuclear-reactors/

A Dutch nuclear research institute has just fired up the first experiment in nearly half a century on next-generation molten-salt nuclear reactors based on thorium.

Thorium has long held promise for “safer” nuclear power. A slightly radioactive element, it transforms into fissionable U-233 when hit by high-energy neutrons. But after use, U-233 creates fewer long-lived radioactive waste products than the conventional U-235 now used in nuclear power plants.

But because nuclear power was traditionally tied up with nuclear weapons research into uranium and plutonium, thorium was mostly abandoned. Except for one test reactor that has been under construction at Kalpakkam since 2004, thorium reactor research has been moribund.


But now, NRG, a nuclear research facility in Petten, on the North Sea coast of the Netherlands, has launched the Salt Irradiation Experiment (SALIENT) in collaboration with the EU Commission. The researchers want to use thorium as a fuel for a molten salt reactor, one of the next-generation designs for nuclear power in which both the reactor coolant, and the fuel itself, are a mixture of hot, molten salt.

Many believe that molten salt reactors are well suited for using thorium as a fuel. Their unique working fluid can achieve very high temperatures, significantly boosting the efficiency of the power generation process.

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Nuclear power and global climate change

https://thebulletin.org/2019/06/nuclear-power-and-global-climate-change/

As young professionals beginning our careers in the United States and Russia, we believe strongly that nuclear energy must play a key role in mitigating climate change. We are the first generation that is experiencing the dramatic effects of global climate change and likely the last that can do something about it. To avoid catastrophic consequences for the Earth and its people, we have to develop and implement a solution in the shortest period of time possible because the planet is at a point of no return.

The climate crisis is a challenging problem that has no boundaries, with effects felt across the globe; as such, it will require a global effort to mitigate. We, the authors, are from Russia and the United States—two countries with different cultures, histories, governments, and approaches to addressing international problems. Yet by working together, our different perspectives can help to find a path forward—and can help us understand each other better, in the bargain.

With current global temperatures exceeding the 1880–to-1920 pre-industrial era mean by 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit), carbon dioxide levels being the highest in nearly one million years, and sea levels rising at an ever-increasing rate of 3.4 millimeters per year, it is undeniable that Earth is experiencing climate change. Many scientific investigations have proven that anthropogenic causes are to blame for the rapid change in climate. Industrialization has caused an increase in the release of gases, including nitrous oxide, methane, carbon dioxide, and water vapor. These gases contribute to the overall global temperature increase through the greenhouse effect.

During the last two decades, several international agreements—such as the Kyoto Protocol, and the Paris Agreement—were established to prevent the continuation and acceleration of climate change. The Paris Agreement states that the levels of carbon dioxide, currently at 410 parts per million (ppm), should be reduced to below 350 ppm, a goal that is moderately stricter than that of the 1.5 degree Celsius drop in temperatures that is more widely cited as a goal of the agreement. Current carbon dioxide emissions worldwide are 35 billion metric tons, or gigatonnes, per year, which will continue to raise the global temperature. To slow the effects of climate change, we must reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 6 percent, or by 2.1 gigatonnes, per year. This will likely prove difficult, given that by 2050, the economies of emerging countries are projected to increase the global energy demand by 80 percent (and carbon dioxide emissions by 70 percent). Most nations with emerging economies plan to provide energy with new coal-burning power plants—between 800 and 1,600 by 2040.

With these statistics in mind, it seems clear that of all the possible pathways for reducing emissions, the most promising would lie in the generation of energy with low-carbon technologies—including nuclear. If low-carbon nuclear and renewable energy sources could be substituted for coal plants, then the energy demands of these nations could be met without increasing carbon emissions.

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Celerity

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14. +10000000000000000
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:52 PM
Jun 2019

We should be pumping trillions into cutting edge nuclear, culminating (hopefully) with fusion reactors.

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ancianita

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3. I gotta say, Tex, I'm pleasantly surprised. Thanks. This is what DU is all about.
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TexasTowelie

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6. I've tried to be open-minded and fair with the articles that I post.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:00 PM
Jun 2019

While I have my list of favorites in the primaries, I also know that any Democrat is better than Trump.

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ancianita

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8. I gathered that about you! We're in for the #1 mission: Beat Trump.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:08 PM
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Politicub

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10. Inslee's important message is getting lost among the noise.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:24 PM
Jun 2019

I like him a lot.

There are so many people. If he stays in the race over the next few months, I think more people will warm up to him. He's fantastic.

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