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Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:52 AM

 

Biden stumbles over abortion rights while Warren receives cheers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/22/joe-biden-abortion-reproductive-rights-democrats-elizabeth-warren

Biden stumbles over abortion rights while Warren receives cheers

Jessica Glenza in Columbia, South Carolina

Sat 22 Jun 2019 21.07 BST

In the first presidential forum on reproductive rights in recent memory, former vice-president Joe Biden told an audience of mostly female Planned Parenthood supporters he had a “100% voting record” on reproductive rights.

In fact, his record on the subject is mixed, as a question to the former vice-president suggested.

“Well, first of all, I’m not sure about the mixed record part. I’ve had 100% voting record,” Biden said, before his microphone cut out. When it came back on, he had moved on to healthcare.

Biden, a Catholic and a Delaware senator for 36 years, has gone back and forth on support for abortion access. In this election cycle, reproductive rights has emerged as a top issue as Republican statehouses across the US have attacked abortion rights.

Biden told his audience in Columbia he would codify the right to an abortion, granted in Roe v Wade, into law “as defined by Casey” – a stance more conservative than those of many other Democratic candidates present.

Casey is the 1992 supreme court decision which allowed states to severely restrict abortion access, including imposing waiting periods and medically unnecessary administrative burdens.
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“We’ve been on defense for 47 years, and it’s not working,” said the Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren. “An inch at a time, a piece at a time, they’ve chipped away, hacked away at the ground under our feet, so access becomes narrower, becomes more limited.

She went on: “This is a democracy. In a democracy, the laws should reflect the values of the people. So I say it is time to go on offense with Roe v Wade. It’s not enough to say we’re going to rely on the courts. We need to pass a federal law to make Roe v Wade the rule of the land.”

That prompted huge cheers.

She continued: “We can add and say: no more of this semi-repeal of Roe, another bite out of Roe, an undercut of Roe. We’re going to make it the law. Let’s make it the law for real again.”

But the loudest cheers of the day went to Cory Booker, who called bans passed by states like Alabama a violation of human rights.
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Reply Biden stumbles over abortion rights while Warren receives cheers (Original post)
nitpicker Jun 2019 OP
Princetonian Jun 2019 #1
Boomer Jun 2019 #3
jb5150 Jun 2019 #4
CharleyDog Jun 2019 #5
Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #8
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #13
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #12
stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #2
quickesst Jun 2019 #6
Autumn Jun 2019 #18
progressoid Jun 2019 #21
Autumn Jun 2019 #7
Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #9
questionseverything Jun 2019 #16
Autumn Jun 2019 #17
questionseverything Jun 2019 #19
Autumn Jun 2019 #20
Politicub Jun 2019 #10
Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #11
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #14
Politicub Jun 2019 #15

Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:22 AM

1. Fercripessakes, is there any Democrat running who is not pro-choice?

 

These forums are nothing but opportunities to get your best soundbite in.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:11 AM

3. I'm okay with that

 

What's your beef?
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:38 AM

4. However true that may be ...

 

it doers give each candidate an opportunity to give their nuanced take on the issue.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:55 AM

5. Dems need the sound bites, every chance for Dem point of view to get news is great

 

Trump makes sure he dominates news cycles, so we need every bit we can get. Cheering for women's human rights and privacy for medical care is good news and cheers me up!
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 08:44 AM

8. "as enshrined by Casey" allows states to strangle abortion access.

 


The Court overturned the Roe trimester framework in favor of a viability analysis, thereby allowing states to implement abortion restrictions that apply during the first trimester of pregnancy. The Court also replaced the strict scrutiny standard of review required by Roe with the undue burden standard, under which abortion restrictions would be unconstitutional when they were enacted for "the purpose or effect of placing a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion of a nonviable fetus." Applying this new standard of review, the Court upheld four provisions of the Pennsylvania law, but invalidated the requirement of spousal notification. Four justices wrote or joined opinions arguing that Roe v. Wade should have been struck down, while two justices wrote opinions favoring the preservation of the higher standard of review for abortion restrictions.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood_v._Casey

Biden is once again out of step with the party.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:35 AM

13. Exactly.

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:35 AM

12. There is a wide range of opinions about access, funding and other logistics within "pro-choice."

 

For me, it's important to be able to articulate the differences clearly.
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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:10 AM

2. let's go Joe !

 

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 07:29 AM

6. I'm actually beginning to think....

 

.... these potshots people keep taking at Biden are helping him much more than hurting him because most people are quick to recognize what they are attempting. Making mountains out of molehills. I believe Jim Clyburn and John Lewis agree with me. Those who disagree with me are Biden's opponents and their supporters. Go figure.
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Response to quickesst (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:15 PM

18. When a Democrat says he is for codifying Roe V Wade "as defined by Casey". That's not a potshot

 

it's an insult to women. And restricting abortion for women isn't making a mountain out of a molehill, that's a disgrace.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:30 PM

21. Indeed.

 

This playing to the middle bullshit is a losing strategy for women and choice.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 08:38 AM

7. Biden "would codify the right to an abortion, granted in Roe v Wade, into law "as defined by Casey"

 

Another search for the middle ground at the expense of a women's choice.

Casey is the 1992 supreme court decision which allowed states to severely restrict abortion access, including imposing waiting periods and medically unnecessary administrative burdens.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 08:44 AM

9. Stuck in the 90's.

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:31 PM

16. is this bidens position now? it sounds like something from the 50s

 

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #16)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:00 PM

17. In SC at the forum on reproductive rights, I was shocked that it didn't get a lot more attention.

 



In the first presidential forum on reproductive rights in recent memory, former vice-president Joe Biden told an audience of mostly female Planned Parenthood supporters he had a “100% voting record” on reproductive rights.

In fact, his record on the subject is mixed, as a question to the former vice-president suggested.
“Well, first of all, I’m not sure about the mixed record part. I’ve had 100% voting record,” Biden said, before his microphone cut out. When it came back on, he had moved on to healthcare.

Biden, a Catholic and a Delaware senator for 36 years, has gone back and forth on support for abortion access. In this election cycle, reproductive rights has emerged as a top issue as Republican statehouses across the US have attacked abortion rights.

Biden told his audience in Columbia he would codify the right to an abortion, granted in Roe v Wade, into law “as defined by Casey” – a stance more conservative than those of many other Democratic candidates present.

Casey is the 1992 supreme court decision which allowed states to severely restrict abortion access, including imposing waiting periods and medically unnecessary administrative burdens.


Liz and Cory were awesome.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 03:48 PM

19. i feel like biden is being pushed on us

 




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Response to questionseverything (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 04:01 PM

20. So do I. I'm not sure that will work out well. nt

 

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 08:53 AM

10. I watched the live stream of the Planned Parenthood forum

 

It was excellent. Biden affirmed his commitment to reproductive health and Roe v. Wade.

Williamson surprised me. I thought her comments about how men making choices for women is a larger symptom of living under a patriarchy rang so true. She talked about how saving abortion is only one battle in the war for equality. It reminded me of how Hillary connected women’s rights to human rights.

There is a place for Williamson in government. Maybe not president, but I hate how she gets dismissed and mocked on DU. Her talent is inspiring people. That’s something that we need.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:29 AM

11. Her anti-vac idiocy is disqualifying.

 

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:43 AM

14. "As defined by Casey" doesn't sound like being pro-choice to me. Casey is the decision that allowed

 

states to pass the incremental laws that undercut Roe, as Warren described. The barriers like mandatory 24-hour delays, biased counseling and parental consent regulations are all thanks to Casey.

Describing one's self as being pro-choice "as defined by Casey" tells me this is not someone who will fight for me.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 09:47 AM

15. That struck me as off-key, too. The barriers need to be swept away

 

with a legislative solution.
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