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Sun Jun 23, 2019, 02:45 PM

 

Call me shallow, but this is my favorite part of today's Warren/NYT Mag feature


Warren at George Washington University, in a dress she made herself.

Optimistic, resourceful, clear-eyed...love it.

The feature is good, too:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/magazine/elizabeth-warren-president.html
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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:04 PM

1. OK. You're shallow. I haven't read the piece yet, but will. I'm an undecided but...

 

...Elizabeth Warren is among my top five favorites, along with Biden, Buttigeig, Harris, and (given my history of latching on to absurdly improbable longshots) Yang.

These five just might have what it takes:

I just like exceedingly bright people in the Presidency; usually but not always, they make good Presidents.

It was Barack Obama's intelligence, although coupling it with popular charm helped, that made him a great President.

Of course, the brightest President of all time was the autodidact Abraham Lincoln, and we needed that intelligence to save our country after an extremely incompetent predecessor quite nearly destroyed it.

It's very clear that Trump will fall above James Buchanan on the "worst ever," list. It must be said of Buchanan that at least he inherited a country about to be torn apart. Trump inherited an intact country now being pulled apart because of the actions of him and his collaborators.

We will need an exceptional person of extremely high intelligence to salvage us from the damage these people have done to our country.

Perhaps Elizabeth Warren has "the right stuff."
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Response to NNadir (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:16 PM

3. A quote along those lines from the article

 

“There’s a concerted effort to equate Warren with Bernie, to make her seem more radical,” says Luigi Zingales, a University of Chicago economist and co-host of the podcast Capitalisn’t. But Wall Street and its allies “are more afraid of her than Bernie,” Zingales continued, “because when she says she’ll change the rules, she’s the one who knows how to do it.”
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:08 PM

8. Here's a quote that gets past the political noise:

 

For her entire career, Warren’s singular focus has been the growing fragility of America’s middle class. She made the unusual choice as a law professor to concentrate relentlessly on data, and the data that alarms her shows corporate profits creeping up over the last 40 years while employees’ share of the pie shrinks. This shift occurred, Warren argues, because in the 1980s, politicians began reworking the rules for the market to the specifications of corporations that effectively owned the politicians. In Warren’s view of history, “The constant tension in a democracy is that those with money will try to capture the government to turn it to their own purposes.” Over the last four decades, people with money have been winning, in a million ways, many cleverly hidden from view. That’s why economists have estimated that the wealthiest top 0.1 percent of Americans now own nearly as much as the bottom 90 percent.

As a presidential candidate, Warren has rolled out proposal after proposal to rewrite the rules again, this time on behalf of a majority of American families.
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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:26 PM

10. Bingo.

 

Change the system by changing the rules. And she knows how to do it.
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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:39 PM

11. Excellent quote. This is why I like Warren. The Consumer Protection Agency was desperately needed.

 

It is being gutted, but it can be restored.
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Response to NNadir (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:34 PM

6. Actually these were the brightest presidents, & 3 were founding fathers:

 

John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had the highest estimated IQs, according to this REader's Digest story: https://www.rd.com/culture/presidents-with-the-highest-iq-scores/ I don't see a year listed and it doesn't have Obama or the Bushes, so might be outdated.

Others with the top 10 highest IQs included Kennedy, Clinton, Carter, Wilson, John Adams, Theodore Roosevelt and Garfield.

I think Trump will be a shoe-in for stupidest president if they ever do a ranking of those with the lowest intellect.
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Response to Liberty Belle (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 06:31 PM

12. I'm not a fan of the concept of "IQ" nor am I fan of the Reader's Digest.

 

I wrote, somewhat derisively about "IQ" in the past:

A Note on This Race and IQ Business.

The idea of so called "Intelligence Tests" debuted in the 1930's, certainly placing any ex post facto attachment to Garfield, Roosevelt and James Madison awarding a measurement in immediate disrepute.

Wilson had definite scholarly gravitas, and had been President of Princeton University. He was a terrible racist, of course, but so were many scholars in his day, which is not to excuse him.

The modern fondness for "IQ" by racists is exemplified in Trump, a stupid and ignorant man to be sure of low intellectual ability, who nevertheless feels qualified to throw reference to the concept of "IQ" around, as racists do.

Obama is another President who came from an academic background, of course; I regard him as the best President of my adult life, and I'm an old man.

Kennedy's reputation for brilliance is in my view is way over rated. His speeches of course were well delivered, but I suspect strongly that they were mostly written by a hired gun, Theodore Sorensen. Nevertheless one of the greatest American Chemists ever, Glenn Seaborg, who knew Kennedy well, spoke highly of him, so there's that. He was unreconstructed cold warrior, and through inattention and bluster, almost stumbled into nuclear war.

Carter was clearly a good man, but he was an unsuccessful President, probably because of his baptist reliance on the concept of "moral example," which posits one's own moral superiority. His ideas on energy were, frankly, poorly thought out, and have had dire results, even though he is often praised for these policies. The worst of them, and the one that we can be grateful for failure was Fischer-Tropsch coal to oil chemistry. It would have left the world with maybe 25-50 ppm higher concentrations of carbon dioxide than we see now.

Clinton was clearly a highly intelligent person, worthy of his wife on an intellectual level, although I personally value her values, and quite possibly her intellect, more highly. The stain on his Presidency of course was his puerile attitudes toward women, famously Monica Lewinsky. His high intellect did not prevent him from ruining his otherwise fine legacy with immaturity and disrespect, a thing he shared with JFK.

I rather respect men who developed their brilliance independent of academic excellence, the two greatest examples among Presidents being Harry S. Truman and Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln is said to have annoyed the hell out of far more educated men, in particular Salmon Chase and Charles Sumner by assuming, correctly I believe, that he was much smarter than they were. His brilliance is recorded in the distance he traveled without resources or formal education.

Truman I think was similarly gifted. Historians have only recently begun to appreciate his high level of performance.

It is often stated that Oliver Wendell Holmes was referring to FDR when he said that "Roosevelt had a second rate intellect but a first rate temperament." However, while in the conversation in which he made this statement took place was just after meeting FDR for the first time, he was discussing both Roosevelts, the one who appointed him to the Supreme Court, Theodore, and the one he had just met, Franklin. Historians are divided on which of them he was referring to in that remark.

Holmes was a powerful intellect, writer and scholar, but many of his decisions are highly questionable.

I think FDR was a brilliant manipulator, something he did for the good of his country, and it shows great cunning and probably high intelligence, although I think he was probably a real genius, his intellect, as with Clinton, probably overshadowed by that of his wife, Eleanor, who I personally regard as the greatest Democrat of the 20th century.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:13 PM

2. 3rd time I have heard "the Overton window" mentioned this month

 


1st time was on Billions a few weeks ago, then I read the term in a magazine think piece, and now, Warren.
I love her brains.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 03:35 PM

4. Well, I went to GWU and don't even have a wall pennant! Great lady.

 



- Warren with her daughter Amelia in the early 1970s.

https://time.com/longform/elizabeth-warren-2020/
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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 04:16 PM

5. Not shallow. It shows her ability of do the work that is needed.

 

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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:03 PM

7. OMG! She's got CLEAVAGE!

 

Who knew?
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Response to BeyondGeography (Original post)

Sun Jun 23, 2019, 05:13 PM

9. I read the whole article (devoured is more like it!) and posted it here before I saw your post and

 

so I self deleted mine.

This is great. It illuminates her character more than any piece on her than I have read. I hope the morning shows tomorrow will interview the author, a fine writer Emily Bazelon. This is such a good read, so thorough and interesting that I hope everyone here reads it.

I am still undecided but there is no question that she is a very strong candidate.
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