Senator BS rekindles the "rigged election" meme

[Vegas Roller]

Link to tweet

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[demmiblue]

1. Oh my, you are a busy bee! n/t

[Cha]

18. Any comment on the content of the OP, demmiblue?

[mcar]

44. What does this mean?

What do you think about candidate Sanders statement?

[SouthernProgressive]

2. Guy has serious problems.

That is a truly disgusting statement for a Presidential candidate in his position to make.

[George II]

3. He seems to get more irritated when questioned by women than by men.

[Hekate]

53. How shall put this... I'd rather be hugged by an enthusiastic Biden than chewed out by Bernie...

Biden genuinely likes people. Bernie genuinely loves his ideology and actual people bug the hell out of hm.

[Cha]

56. Exactly.

[brooklynite]

4. Details...

In an afternoon interview, MSNBC's Kasie Hunt asked Sanders if he would leave the race before the national convention. His response? "I intend to be the Democratic nominee."

After a back-and-forth — "Are you asking that of every candidate?" — and further pressing, Sanders said he was proud of his grassroots campaigns, particularly in the key states of New Hampshire and Iowa, and his million volunteers. The Vermont senator is polling just behind frontrunner and former Vice President Joe Biden, with 19 percent of the expected vote as of June 23.

"Our goal right now is to win it. And by the way, as you you may know, poll after poll shows what against Trump? Shows me beating Trump by 8, 9 or 10 points. We're going to beat Trump, we're going to win the Democratic nomination."

In 2016, Sanders was criticized for not leaving the race earlier than his July exit and charged with hurting Clinton's campaign against Trump. He countered on Wednesday, saying some people believed if the system wasn't "rigged against me, I would have won the nomination and defeated Donald Trump."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/26/sanders-quit-primary-not-nominee-1384896

[lanlady]

9. In fact it *was* rigged against you, Bernie

Because come to find out, the Democratic Party prefers to nominate, uh, Democrats. You are not a Democrat. Why is that so difficult to grasp? The moment you drop out of the race you'll go back to your party of one.

[George II]

11. She asked, "If it's clear that you will not be the Democratic nominee...."

She didn't simply ask if he "would leave the race before the national convention". The complete question is key.

BTW, I don't know where he gets that "1 million volunteers" from. That's simply not true.

BTW2, in each of those polls that say he'll beat trump by 6, 8, 10 points, they say Biden will beat trump by even more.

[BeyondGeography]

5. So much rigging

C’mon, Bernie. Hillary was always going to beat you. Stop flinging that poo dude.

[left-of-center2012]

6. You know it's an attack post when ...

You know it's an attack post when it starts with "Senator BS".

[zentrum]

13. They love writing those initials.

Harkens back to the pettiness of adolescence.

[Cha]

66. No, you're Wrong, left-of-center.. No one is "using trump as their role model"..

that's an ugly insult.

[sheshe2]

69. Trump is our role model?

Unfugging believable that you would say that of fellow DUers and Democrats.

[Cha]

71. Thank you for calling that attack out,

she.

[sheshe2]

74. Unbelievable, Cha.

[Cha]

21. They're BS' own initials.

[left-of-center2012]

26. Yep - That's the usual excuse

It's bs -- juvenile bs.

[Cha]

28. When I mean Bullshit I write Bullshit.

[tonedevil]

32. We totally believe you. /nt

[Cha]

33. Good.. 'cause that's what's important.

[Cha]

75. Sez you.. Not sure why BS' initials should

be an "excuse"?

[betsuni]

78. ...

[Cha]

20. They're BS' own words.

[BeckyDem]

29. +1

[mcar]

45. Aww

[Skittles]

7. delusional

[Me.]

8. Presidential?

seems we would be headed towards another 4 years of victimhood.

[Cha]

57. Not.

smh

[Me.]

63. Fed Up With It

Us being held hostage by those who rig our feelings of fairness against us and use the good grace we extend to them to knock us around. Especially when they don't have a decent record of implementation just a lot of pie in the sky talk and have yet to prove they are in any real way up to the job.


Hoa

[Cha]

64. Well stated, Me

Hoaaloha

[nolabear]

10. OFFS.

[No Vested Interest]

12. "Some people say..." Who else uses that line, or similar?

Oh yes, Trump often says, "Many people say..."

You be the judge...:

[Vegas Roller]

73. IKR?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=167354

[Gothmog]

14. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Wednesday did not commit to conceding the primary even if it became clear he would not be the nominee, a move that traces back to 2016 when the senator was facing down then-Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

In an afternoon interview, MSNBC's Kasie Hunt asked Sanders if he would leave the race before the national convention. His response? "I intend to be the Democratic nominee."

After a back-and-forth — "Are you asking that of every candidate?" — and further pressing, Sanders said he was proud of his grassroots campaigns, particularly in the key states of New Hampshire and Iowa, and his million volunteers. The Vermont senator is polling just behind frontrunner and former Vice President Joe Biden, with 19 percent of the expected vote as of June 23.

"Our goal right now is to win it. And by the way, as you you may know, poll after poll shows what against Trump? Shows me beating Trump by 8, 9 or 10 points. We're going to beat Trump, we're going to win the Democratic nomination."

[betsuni]

15. ...

Bernie Sanders: "I don't want to see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils."

George Stephanopolous: "Is that how you would describe Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump -- as the lesser of two evils?"

Bernie Sanders: "Well if you look -- No, I wouldn't describe it, but that's what the American people are saying."

[tishaLA]

17. "some people say" and "rigged system" in the same sentence?

A little too reminiscent of someone else's rhetoric for my taste.

Also, he lost to Sec Clinton by 4 million votes. That's not rigging; that's voters

[Vegas Roller]

23. The Russian style n/t

[mcar]

46. Sure is

[George II]

61. Bazinga!

[redstatebluegirl]

19. I swear...go home Bernie!

[NurseJackie]

37. ...

[tishaLA]

22. "Are you a Democrat?" Hunt asked.

“Of course I’m a Democrat, this is a Democratic national convention, Democratic primary, right?” Sanders replied.

“All right, that’s an easier answer that question than I feel like we got in 2016,” Hunt said.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-snaps-back-when-kasie-hunt-asks-about-him-dropping-out-are-you-asking-that-of-every-candidate/

I can imagine the confusion when three of his senior campaign staff endorsed and voted for someone other than the Democratic nominee in 2016

[Vegas Roller]

70. Isn't it interesting

that he hired all Stein supporters to top positions in his campaign?

Was it because they gave him a second shot at the presidency?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[NYMinute]

24. How was it rigged Bernie?

You lost by over 3 million votes. Who are you trying to fool?

[Gothmog]

40. Putin and Russia did try to help sanders

Here is one area where the process was rigged http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html

Notably, Robert Mueller’s investigation found that Russian social-media bots amplified Sanders’s message during the primary and circulated attacks on Clinton, many of them false. Sanders himself bore no responsibility for that social-media operation, but it is arguably a form of “rigging” — by Russia — more underhanded than any action taken on Clinton’s behalf.

[NYMinute]

51. +1000 nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

25. Aw Jeez....

[mcar]

47. I fear nothing was learned, Tarheel

[Tarheel_Dem]

79. And I fear the end result could be the same. I will never forgive him for that. n/t

[elleng]

27. Foolish post initiated by someone.

Let's not jump into these, folks.

People here telling Senator Sanders to 'go home?'

[mcar]

48. A post repeating Sen. Sanders own words is "foolish?"

Why?

[Hekate]

67. Sorry about that, ellen, but I just said it for the first time...

Just like I've been saying about Ralph Nader for years. Btw, it took me a long, long time to acknowledge that Nader really did play a role in the 2000 election, and that he kept on and on trying to recapture that "glory."

If Senator Bernard Sanders is going to float the same bullshit he floated the last time around, i.e. that he was a victim of evil forces that robbed him of his rightful place and by cracky they're doing it to him again -- well yes: "Bernie, go home. Ralphie is on the phone for you."

[Vegas Roller]

72. A major candidate says the election is rigged

and it is a foolish post to bring it out?

[True Blue American]

30. Is that

” Some people,” the same some people Trump uses?

Some people say they do not agree!

[LibFarmer]

31. Bernie should categorically deny the existence of any rigging

and tell "some people" to shut the fuck up.

If he doesn't tell them that, then he himself believes that the election was rigged.

[Cha]

34. No, BS.. you would NOT have Beat, trump.. I

hope that helps.

Oh, and there are more who say that besides me.. so I can say .. "some people say you would not have beaten trump.. " fixed it for ya.

[NurseJackie]

35. Oh good grief!

[NastyRiffraff]

36. Ye GODS I'm tired of this old fart

His day is done, if it ever was. He was always nothing but a back bencher in Congress and he thought he was Speaker or Majority Leader.

Go away, Bernie.

[Gothmog]

38. Sanders Claims 2016 Primary Was Rigged, Won't Commit to Supporting Winner

From Jonathon Chait http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html

While Sanders is coyly hiding behind the “some people say” formulation, he is threatening to repeat the tactics he used in 2016, when he called the process “rigged” and withheld his support long after the outcome was decided.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton won the nomination as the clear preference of the majority of her party’s electorate. She won 55 percent of the primary vote, as opposed to just 43 percent for Sanders, which is not an especially narrow margin.

It is true that, in a very broad sense, Democratic Party leaders decided early on to support Clinton’s candidacy, and she received major endorsements from elected officials and interest groups. That, however, is not what most people understand by the term “rigged.” What’s more, the process probably benefited Sanders. By clearing the field for Clinton, Sanders was able to position himself as the catch-all candidate for a broad coalition of voters who opposed Clinton for various reasons: Voters who considered her too moderate, or too liberal, or too corrupt all voted for Sanders, who had the anti-Clinton field to himself.

It is not true that the Democratic Party “rigged” the contest in any illegitimate or nefarious fashion. Russian hackers found some emails from staffers at the Democratic National Committee favoring Clinton, but the committee did not take important steps to materially impair Sanders. Throughout the primary, some real (or putative) supporters of Sanders often claimed improprieties at the polls, but those largely failed to pan out. Sanders supporters also reacted to the prospect that Democratic Party superdelegates would give Clinton the nomination even in the face of a popular-vote defeat, but that scenario turned out to be moot in the face of Clinton’s clear win.

[MrsCoffee]

39. The "Revolution" is The Order of the Perpetual Victimhood.

Can this guy whine any more?

Maybe Democrats are voting for Democrats.

FFS

[nycbos]

41. I can't believe I used to like him.

Side effect of going to UVM.

It not a coincidence that Bernie Sanders's initials are BS

[comradebillyboy]

42. Way over the top even by Sanders standards but

not the least bit surprising. It's the sort of behavior I would expect from him. It wasn't rigged against him. He's the one who got help from the Russians.

[mcar]

43. This crap again? Is he serious?

[Vegas Roller]

49. Sen BS should not be allowed in debates

unless he disavows this notion of election rigging designed to make his naivest supporters angry and then bolt to Donald Trump if he doesn't win.

It is a nefarious blackmail of the Democratic party. He is essentially saying, "Nice nominee you got there. It would be a shame if something happened to the nominee and Trump won."

[LibFarmer]

50. I agree completely

If he thinks it is all rigged, he should not be in the debates.

[MineralMan]

52. OK, Senator Sanders...Thanks...Our next guest is...

[Vegas Roller]

54. Alex Jones? nt

[MineralMan]

58. No. I'm not following you on this...

[Vegas Roller]

59. The next guest - to keep conspiracy theories going ... nt

[MineralMan]

60. No. You're misunderstanding me.

[IndyOp]

55. Thanks for link. I don't admire the inclusion of the rigged

comment. What he said in the video does not conflict with the Pledge - which, by the way, he may have been the first candidate to sign.

[Vegas Roller]

62. It has been an urban myth for a long time

that Hillary somehow rigged the election despite winning by almost 4 million votes.

It is despicable to say "some people think" the election was rigged.

The pledge is just a piece of paper and he just tore it to shreds with this comment.

[Cha]

65. That's exactly what happened.

[LibFarmer]

68. The more I think about it

The angrier I get. This is asinine. Making voters lose faith in the electoral process.

[Cha]

76. I know.. and it's affecting

a lot of people this way It's only our Country and Planet!

[UniteFightBack]

77. I cut all the candidates major slack and avoid attacking them. BUT THIS is just BEYOND. nt

[Vegas Roller]

80. IKR? nt

[Gothmog]

81. Sanders won't commit to leaving the race if he fails to secure the Democratic nomination

Link to tweet

Sanders faced widespread criticism from across the party after the 2016 race that his insistence on carrying out his campaign through the Democratic National Convention even after it became clear he had fallen short of the necessary delegates to win the nomination forced Hillary Clinton to continue battling an intraparty dispute and hurt her standing in the general contest against Donald Trump....

Sanders faced widespread criticism from across the party after the 2016 race that his insistence on carrying out his campaign through the Democratic National Convention even after it became clear he had fallen short of the necessary delegates to win the nomination forced Hillary Clinton to continue battling an intraparty dispute and hurt her standing in the general contest against Donald Trump.

[Cha]

82. KICK!