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[Botany]

1. Bernie needs to go away

n/t

[Skittles]

14. he won't

[Blue_true]

45. I had a feeling in the pit of my stomach that he would pull that trick

once he started losing ground.

Cha, SheShe2, George and others on DU had him read spot on from the get go, I am sorry to say that now, I was hoping for better from him.

[GulfCoast66]

59. Many of us saw it. But keep our mouths, rather keyboards, muted.

That is the reason I keep bringing up the booing of John Lewis by his acolytes on National TV at our last convention. While he sat there grinning like the cat that ate the canary. That is an actual fact that can’t be denied. Well, it has been denied here, but it can be proven with a quick google search.

John Lewis paid more of a price for civil rights than any living American. Too many paid the ultimate price. And Representative Lewis almost did. And his loyalist booed him.

And that is the reason he will get no Delegates from the South. And with no delegates from the south a candidate is cooked.

[radical noodle]

69. Yes. Many of us saw it but weren't as vocal

I've said before that I will never forgive, nor forget, what happened at the convention. It was despicable and those actions were not only allowed but obviously approved.

It is not rehashing of previous actions, it is protecting ourselves from future actions.

[Skittles]

63. I have always seen through him

[True Blue American]

85. Same here!

Bernie is just another Trump, not above abusing anyone to get ahead. And a poor loser.

[Skittles]

87. I would never go that far

but definitely he is not very gracious

[True Blue American]

89. I would!

Angry, shouting men have never impressed me. I prefer a man who can make his point without shouting and pointing his finger at me.

That is my opinion, only. Others may disagree.

[Skittles]

92. well

I do prefer all the candidates over Sanders

[True Blue American]

96. :)

[Turin_C3PO]

119. He's not another Trump.

I don’t want him to win and I think he’s a potential spoiler but cmon, no one’s as bad as Trump.
Bernie’s not a constitution destroying, far right, sociopath.

[betsuni]

68. Thank you to all the wonderful DUers who were/are right.

And all the members who were right and aren't here anymore.

[Wawannabe]

50. Yup!

Not a Dem. Not a Dem!

Start a Progressive or whatever party Bernie, and GO for IT!

[LovingA2andMI]

67. Socialist Party for Bernie as....

Progressives as also DEMOCRATS.

[trueblue2007]

58. i agree with your comment ..... . Bernie needs to go away. And he really needed to go away in 2016.

[DownriverDem]

114. If folks don't support him, then

he will go away. He's not a Dem and that is a major problem for those of us who are real Dem Party members.

[NYMinute]

2. I think more and more people are realizing

that Bernie wants to harm the Democratic party and its ideals from FDR to Barack Obama.

One wonders what is motivating him ... but I won't speculate here.

[Botany]

18. I have always wondered about Bernie too.

My now late father who taught political science and was a good judge of character
just called him "that angry old man."

[True Blue American]

90. I agree with your Father

May he Rest In Peace!

[DarthDem]

101. RIP To Your Dad

Sounds like a smart man.

[Botany]

112. He was smart... when he fell and broke his hip late last fall and he was in the E.R. and the ....

... nurse was asking him questions to see about his mental state she asked who is the
President and he said, "Do I really have to answer that?" The nurse smiled, laughed,
and gave him a hug and said, "We hear that a lot."


FYI https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dispatch/obituary.aspx?n=john-kessel&pid=191457784

[DarthDem]

117. Aw. That's a Really Great Story. :)

So sorry for your loss. Great guy, clearly.

[tishaLA]

3. If he calls out the Party in the debate tomorrow

I will happily donate an entire check to the person who rebukes him and says he or she is proud to be a Democrat

[sheshe2]

6. He will.

You know he will.

[tishaLA]

11. Yup. I just want someone to tell him to piss the fuck off

This time. Last time, Sec Clinton didn't want to alienate his voters. This time is different

[NYMinute]

21. Yeah

I agree completely

[The Mouth]

135. The only ones who will be alienated

are the ones who would never vote for any other Democratic candidate.
Fuck 'em.

[Vegas Roller]

37. I'll join you! n/t

[Fla Dem]

115. If he denigrates the Democratic Party tonight, then he should be banned from DU.

After all, isn't that what we do to DUer's who criticize the Democratic Party?

[Cha]

4. I agree wholeheartedly.

[Turin_C3PO]

5. I hear ya.

I supported him in 2016 until he wouldn’t concede and then gave, at best, lukewarm support to Clinton in the general.

[George II]

7. I don't think I've criticized a current DEMOCRATIC candidate, but then again.............

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. He is NOT a Democrat, why do we have to FUCKING TIPTOE AROUND ABOUT THAT?

[George II]

29. Bazinga! (seems some now like that response!!!)

[Eliot Rosewater]

30. All it will take, as we know from history, is a small percentage who decide NOT to vote

for our candidate and rump is reelected.

I wont be able to stand it, if it happens. I dont know what I will do but I

WILL BLAME HIS SUPPORTERS if they still stand by him when he does this

[Blue_true]

46. I think a good percentage of that 43% that didn't vote

(Ignoring the Bernie writeins that counted as a non vote ) have been burned by Trump, even many of the ones that voted for him have been burned. We need to focus on getting non voters to the polls, Trump maxed out his vote in 2016, we should get pretty much all of the non voters in 2016. Let focus on sane people and forget the others.

[Pachamama]

54. +1000000

He is NOT a Democrat

No tiptoeing from me

[we can do it]

99. Never has been.

[oldsoftie]

8. When Trump did the same thing in 16, i figured he was done for. I was wrong of course

[Tom Rinaldo]

122. Trump would not promise that he would back the Republican candidate in the General election

Bernie did not promise he would endorse a presumptive Democratic nominee before the actual convention. One can have a problem with the stance Bernie is taking (not being willing to commit at this point to an early endorsement in 2020) but it is in no way the same thing as what Trump did. Sanders is clear that he will back the Democratic nominee once there is an official Democratic nominee.

[aikoaiko]

9. I welcome Bernie to stay in as long as he wants.

He helps us improve the party.

[Vegas Roller]

36. He does not improve it

On the contrary.

[LiberalFighter]

52. IMO the other candidates have already improved the party.

[Maven]

10. He's a liability for our party and by extension, the country

We can only hope he continues to fizzle out as he's been doing over the past several months.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. In January you said you wouldn't consider him because he is a "democrat of convenience"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211732712


2018:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10578199

[John Fante]

15. Bernie has Jill Stein supporters on his campaign staff.

"Democrat by convenience" is too kind a term for him.

[TommyCelt]

134. My fear is a party switch...

If he decides to go for an independent or Green run, that's the entire ballgame.

[oldsoftie]

140. I dont think he's THAT vindictive.

[Atticus]

19. And, your point is---? nt

[Gothmog]

23. I am also curious about this

[LibFarmer]

13. Thank you for your heartfelt post nt

[RockRaven]

16. If Bernie were to post on DU everything he says about other Dems, many of his posts

would deserve to be flagged and removed for violating forum rules.

Now, it is entirely reasonable to say that he should not be held to these *particular* standards because being a US Senator is a very different thing than being a pseudonymous web forum user. That is correct, of course, those are two very different things...

And yet, I *am* tired of him a) bashing Democratic candidates, b) fighting the last election, and c) propagating right-wing talking points, amongst other things.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

24. BS wouldn't last a day on DU

[DrToast]

17. Yeah, I don't understand that rule either

I guess we're just supposed to ignore things when our politicians do something wrong.

[MrScorpio]

20. I just had to block one of his ill-tempered fans on Twitter

They’re all getting out of hand right now. I figure that it’s orchestrated to coincide with the debates.

This won’t win him a lot of new fans.

[revmclaren]

70. Or more importantly

new voters.

Go away Bernie!

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Gothmog]

22. Amen

[mia]

25. Jose Diaz-Balart is fired up about immigration.

I believe he represents the views of many Miami Cubans.

[Atticus]

28. He represents the views of all people of conscience. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Well, he is NOT a Democrat, so criticizing him is appropriate especially since has already

admitted he thinks the other primary was rigged and wont promise to abide by our system


He is not who .


never mind, i STILL CANT SAY IT

[Pepsidog]

31. This rigged shit must stop

[RainCaster]

32. I'm with you on this

F Bernie.

I'm done with any candidate who uses the DNC for convenience but hold no loyalty.

[betsuni]

33. There's no doubt about what he's doing.

It isn't about what's best for the country. The cat is out of the bag.

"I'd need a ride to the polls because I'd be too drunk to drive."

[Cha]

55. Exactly.. "the cat is out of the bag".

[Nitram]

34. During the primaries distinctions and decisions must be made. Only one candidate will be chosen.

[Vegas Roller]

35. Bernie is poisoning the Democratic electorate again. nt

[Blue_true]

49. I don't think that it will work this time around. nt

[GulfCoast66]

62. Actually I think he is uniting it.

When you have 20 loyal democrats criticizing, each other, as they should, but one attacking the party, it puts things in a different light.

Tomorrow will be interesting. I fully expect, and hope Biden totally ignores the attacks sure to come and spells out what he wants for America.

Democratic Voters are not like republican voters. If one of our candidates stays out of the mud and spells out his or her vision for America while total ignoring or even laughing at the attacks it will gain support.

Americans are fed up with wallowing in the mud. We want hope.

[Vegas Roller]

66. I agree with you

However, I hope Biden unleashes a couple of zingers at the non-Democrat.

(as a preview of what he will do to Trump)

[Cha]

72. Thank You, GulfCoast!

:party

[stopbush]

120. Tim Ryan attacked the Party during last night's debate.

Nothing like having a guy on national TV labeling his own party as elitist Ivy Leaguers who have forgotten the working stiff, especially after Hillary laid out policy after policy in 2016 aimed directly at the people living in flyover territory, and with tRump’s every policy fucking over working stiffs every minute of every day.

[Little Star]

125. [phone]

I wanted to throw something at the tv!

I do not like Tim Ryan.

Between him and his pal Seth Moulton I'm having a hard time deciding who I like less. They both suck big time imho.

[PupCamo]

38. sincen he's not a Democrat

your record still stands

[Still In Wisconsin]

39. Every time Senator BS opens his yap I'm more embarrassed about having supported him last time.

His schtick is way beyond stale at this point. I wish he'd just go away, but he won't. To tell the truth I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him run as an independent if he's lagging in single digits by the time primaries start.

If I were that little bird who landed near him during a speech last year, I'd come back, but this time I'd shit on him.

[True Blue American]

91. Well, let it happen!

[Catch2.2]

40. Bernie has pushed

the Democratic party in the right direction IMO. I will continue to support him and vote for whoever ends up being our nominee.

[grantcart]

41. +1

[herding cats]

42. If this is his litmus test to being vetted by Democrats, it's not going well for him.

My texts have been blowing up since this hit. It's just plain foolish and smells to a lot of folks.

[BigmanPigman]

43. I know a person who wrote his name in on the ballot in 2016

since she was sure Hillary would win. I blame Bernie since I know she wasn't the only one to do it. I was never a fan, and am always a Dem!

[ismnotwasm]

44. K&R

[JoeOtterbein]

47. Will you support Bernie in the GE if he wins the primary? nt

[Atticus]

48. Please read the OP. nt

[Blue_true]

51. Everyone here on DU have given an unqualified YES to that question.

President Bernie would be infinitely better than a second Trump term.

[JoeOtterbein]

56. Good, thanks. It's great to hear that an "unqualified yes" applies to Bernie.

I don't see it often, anywhere.

Thanks again!

[melman]

61. "Everyone here on DU have given an unqualified YES to that question."

Not true. Read this thread and you'll see. The OP is repeatedly asked that question and they flat out refused to answer.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128783154

[Atticus]

100. From my OP:

"Would I vote for you if you were the Democratic nominee? Yes, BUT---I'd need a ride to the polls because I'd be too drunk to drive." 

[GulfCoast66]

64. Everyone on DU has agreed to that.

I can’t stand the guy. I mean can’t stand him.

How any true democrat could support a man who sat there grinning while his delegates booed John Lewis is beyond me.

But I will vote for the Democratic Party nominee whoever it is

I’m no concerned it will be Bernie.

[Skittles]

65. I would support a ham sandwich if they ran it against Trump

but we can DO BETTER

[herding cats]

71. Uh huh...

Anyone other than the Republican has my vote.. period. It's a two party system after all.
Now, let's all focus on that goal. No matter the nominee or the other close, but not enough delegates . Mmm Kay?

No more 2016 pretend land bull shit. Let's be real here. The clear winner wins, right? They get our 100% support. Right?

[susanr516]

124. Absolutely.

There is no way I could see myself voting for Bernie (and several other candidates) in the primary, but I will vote for the Democratic candidate in the general election. Every single one of our primary candidates is way more qualified and competent than trump.

[LovingA2andMI]

53. To Not Discuss The Obvious...

a sycophantic behavior suppression tactic. Plain and simple.

Thank you for writing what you wrote.

[barbtries]

57. yeah.

he's more egotistic than patriotic.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. People who say "I love them all" ??? Yet you do have

To worry they may be VP. If they have no shot. Who cares. It's not like you are saying vote repuke....just another Dem.

[mystieus]

73. Marianne

She is by far the most conscious individual running for president in 2020. I will be paying close attention to her for sure.

[True Blue American]

86. Funny, I was

Impressed by her,too. Especially on her views of perpetual war. She thinks that money would be better spent fixing our Country.

The main thing I noticed is how brilliant our women are in solving problems instead of arguing.

[Eric J in MN]

74. Joe Biden praised Dick Cheney. Last year Biden gave a medal to George W Bush.

Last edited Thu Jun 27, 2019, 05:58 AM - Edit history (2)

Biden also seeks advice from Henry Kissinger.

If you're worried about party loyalty then worry about Biden.

Updated with Links:
Joe Biden in 2015: “I like Dick Cheney for real. I get on with him. I think he’s a decent man.” (about 5 min into video)

Joe Biden giving George W. Bush a medal last year:
https://www.inquirer.com/news/ex-president-george-w-bush-wife-laura-receive-liberty-medal-amid-protests-20181112.html

Joe Biden in 2016: Henry Kissinger "doesn't have a rival...in the entire world for the breadth and depth of his knowledge and the profundity of his strategic thinking...Thank you for always being my reality check...I consider him a great friend." (Last 2 min of video)

?t=1826

[betsuni]

75. Joe Biden praised Dick Cheney? Biden gave a medal to GWB last year?

He seeks advice from Henry Kissinger? Links please.

[Cha]

77. lol.. we both posted

@8:01pm.. you beat me, tho.

[betsuni]

78. Ha! WHATABOUTBIDEN is the new WHATABOUTHILLARY.

Kissinger! How many times did we hear that...

[Cha]

79. He dredged up "Kissinger" for good measure.

Biden happens to be a strong Democratic Party Supporter and of Service for Decades.. and a few name droppings from someone trying to deflect from the OP.. isn't going to change that. lolololololololol

[betsuni]

81. I really don't care for the "Democrats are the same as Republicans" talking point.

Wonder why anyone would do that.

[Cha]

82. Because they have nothing

substantial.

[betsuni]

83. I thought everything's about policy. Guess not.

[Eric J in MN]

95. If Biden becomes president and asks Henry Kissinger

...for advice that could affect policy.

[betsuni]

97. ...

[True Blue American]

107. As an Undecided

Why am I getting the feeling it will be Biden/ Beto?

Pennsylvania and Texas. They love Biden in Pa.

[Eric J in MN]

93. I added links to my post above. NT

NT

[Cha]

76. LOL@WHATABOUTBIDEN!

lol

[Hekate]

80. Better be prepared to back that up, Eric J in MN. For one thing, "last year" Biden was not VP...

For another thing, the VP doesn't give medals to anyone -- that's the President's decision.

[Eric J in MN]

94. I added links. Joe Biden wasn't VP anymore last year

...when he gave a medal to George W. Bush.

[Atticus]

102. Hahahahaha! nt

[yardwork]

127. Squirrel!

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. I'm right there with ya.

[RandiFan1290]

88. OMG!! I Love these posts!!!

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Tells me I am 100% correct in my decision!

Keep going Bernie!

I support Bernie Sanders 100% and I welcome your hatred!

[Cha]

98. I'm more interested in the 128 RECS

Atticus' OP has so far.

[Atticus]

103. I don't hate you. I just feel very very sorry for you and hope you wake up soon. nt

[mtnsnake]

108. Saying you feel very very sorry for them in this context is as bad as telling them you hate them,

or at the very least it's belittling.

[McKim]

111. I Support Senator Sanders for His Ideas

I support Senator Sanders for his ideas. He has added so much to the public dialogue. He has moved the Democratic Party in the right direction. I will vote for the Democratic Party candidate.
I stand against US wars and empire. I was thrilled with Tulsi Gabbard last night. My brother in law died for a lie in Vietnam in “67. We know all about war at this household.

[Cha]

138. LOL@your strawman!

[JustAnotherGen]

104. I won't make someone a priority

Who treats me as an option.

I just won't do that.

Not an option for me. Not gonna do it.

[Roy Rolling]

105. The Raw and Rude Revolutionary

Bernie attracts passionate supporters. He is a force and center of the inevitable direction we must move to survive as a democracy. He attracts passionate supporters, and his opponents amplify that to paint Bernie as reckless.

Sometimes being a revolutionary, for young people, means breaking EVERY rule, not just the appropriate ones. It sure did for me before but I'm more select now. I survived being reckless. Not because I was superior, but because I was lucky. Thank goodness for passionate, often younger, liberal supporters.

So the fringes of movements sometimes contain rude people. That, in itself, is a very partisan statement used to attack a candidate's calm-under-fire vulnerability. But it also doesn't mean he's the best qualified candidate as we interview a replacement for the incompetent manager Donald Trump.

[gademocrat7]

106. Sanders is not a Democrat.

[BooScout]

109. If he won't support the nominee...

...if the nominee isn't him, how can he expect us to support him?

[lillypaddle]

110. it was very trumpian of him

can't stand that man.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

113. I think there is a misunderstanding here

Bernie signed the indivisible pleadge to support the nominee and he hasn't reneged on that. The reason he didn't outright say he will support the nominee after the last state votes is because there could be a contested convention if no nominee secures enough delegates on the first ballot.

[Texin]

118. Then Sanders needs to state that.

As far as I'm concerned, he has used the Democratic party as his mule. It's a tool. A tool he can discard when it suits his fancy or he's in fit of pique. I absolutely have zero trust that he and his Sarandon-type "supporters" won't huff off in a hissy if/when he doesn't win the nomination. He needs to find another mule to ride or start his own damn support system. He and the other jettisoned and failed candidates in 2016, along with the Russians, are responsible for where we are today.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

121. Sanders has repeatedly said he would campaign for the nominee regardless of who wins

Bernie has been made into the scapegoat for 2016 when he campaigned all across the country for Secretary Clinton. He urged all his supporters to vote for Hillary and also made many tv hits saying so. More Hillary voters switched to McCain in 2008 than Bernie voters in 2016. Also James Comey has more to do with her losing than anything Bernie did. He has been campaigning for democrats across the country in 2018 and has been hesitant to criticise any candidate thus far knowing we need to be united to defeat Trump. Sometimes people here seem to be looking for an excuse to let their anger out on him, which I guess is fine as long as you intend on voting for him if he secures the nomination.

[debsy]

133. "..., along with the Russians, are responsible"

Amen to that! Stop blaming the Democratic party for what Russia (and probably China and North Korea and Saudi Arabia and...) did in 2016!

[yardwork]

128. Bernie's history on this subject creates skepticism.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

130. How so?

Senator Sanders endorsed Secretary Clinton in 2016, campaigned for her across the country and urged his supporters to vote for Hillary. I assume he will do the same if he doesn't secure the nomination again.

[yardwork]

131. Not in any effective way, he didn't. He still whines that the nomination was stolen from him.

His selfish behavior caused a lot of people to stay home or vote third party in 2016. And now he's hired a bunch of Jill Stein promoters to run his campaign.

I'm skeptical.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

132. If he wasn't an effective surrogate then Secretary Clinton would've told him to not campaign for her

I didn't find him selfish in the slightest in the last cycle. He worked his tail off to elect Hillary Clinton President of the United States. Less people voted for Trump who were Sanders voters in 2016 than Hillary people who voted for McCain in2008. I know a lot of people seem to blame him for her loss when her campaign was knocking on the wrong doors on their get out the vote strategy. And James Comey torpedoed her campaign with his letter and not acknowledging Trump's FBI investigation.

But if you want to scapegoat Sanders then fine. Get it out of your system now so that if he wins the nomination you'll vote for him in the general.

[PDittie]

116. "Democrat of convenience"

"HezenoddaDemocrat"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">*ahem* bernie sanders is NOT a democrat <a href="https://t.co/HUFR6OshRP">pic.twitter.com/HUFR6OshRP</a></p>— Matt Binder (@MattBinder) <a href="

Link to tweet

?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[seta1950]

123. Not a democrat

What do you call someone who wants to run as a Democrat but doesn’t want to be a democrat? I would call him a spoiler, he shouldn’t be allowed to use the party repeatedly.

[LeftTurn3623]

126. say what??

Bernie just did an interview where they were trying to get him to say negative things about Warren and he would not bite. Then he said he would never attack Biden personally but only on issues.

And after all that he said he would with all his power to help elect the nominee if it was not him. That the most important thing is removing Trump.

[LiberalLovinLug]

136. the Bernie haters don't let something like facts get in their way

He also declined to answer. Because it would of course depend on who's in first with how long he'd stay in, what progressive policy he thinks he could squeeze out, before tirelessly campaigning for them like he did with Hillary.


But hey, another one joins the ...

[Enoki33]

129. Sanders is indeed a Democrat of convenience. How do you trust such a person?

[Buzz cook]

137. Bernie Sanders First to Sign Pledge

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-first-to-sign-pledge-to-rally-behind-whoever-wins-democratic-primary

National progressive outfit Indivisible on Thursday launched a pledge compelling all 2020 Democratic presidential candidates to rally behind the eventual nominee. Bernie Sanders was the first to sign it, the group revealed.

The “We Are Indivisible” pledge asks for three commitments from him and any other prospective signers, as first reported by BuzzFeed News. First, Indivisible’s pledge requests that candidates “make the primary constructive” by outlining their visions while respecting their opponents.

“I’ll support the ultimate Democratic nominee, whoever it is—period," the pledge also reads. “No Monday morning quarterbacking. No third-party threats. Immediately after there’s a nominee, I’ll endorse.”

And the group also wants a commitment that every candidate will “do the work to beat Trump,” including a promise that “As soon as there is a nominee, I will put myself at the disposal of the campaign.”

Looks like the OP got played.

[Atticus]

141. I got played? The OP merely repeats what I heard him say and what he refused to say.

Is it unfair to quote him? I assume your post is accurate, but that does not mean I got played. It means Sanders is inconsistent.

[jimlup]

139. This infighting and frankly

Bernie bashing is the one way we could lose in 2020.