Isn't Biden's argument on busing similiar

[gabeana]

to the ruling handed down by the supreme court on gerrymandering? It is a local issue the fed gov't has no right to interfere
kept on saying your city council made the ruling on busing not the Dept of Education, I'm paraphrasing. Felt like he was dissing department of Ed.

Or am I misinterpreting that, If I'm not why couldn't Biden have just said yes he was wrong, nothing wrong with being wrong and later seeing the light

I like Biden if he won the nomination I would be more than fine with him

[still_one]

1. I believe if our nominee extols the virtues of bussing in the GE it will be challenging for that

nominee

[marylandblue]

2. Yes and goes all the way back to states rights to protect slavery

So it's really not a good thing to defend.

[gabeana]

5. I know, so out of character to see in a modern Democratic

presidential debate

[tirebiter]

34. We use state's rights to make marijuana legal

Sorta depends on what it is you want to keep legal.

[gabeana]

46. very true it is nuance

what issues should Federal regulate versus states regulate

Abortion, I believe should be federal but vs Alabama this is very interesting article

subscription. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/30/us/alabama-woman-marshae-jones.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

here is a snippet

Around the country, the case of Ms. Jones — who was indicted by a grand jury for manslaughter — has served as a stark illustration of how pregnant women can be judged and punished when a fetus is treated as a person by the justice system.

Reached by phone on Friday night, the forewoman of the grand jury, Mischelle Cagle, said she was unaware of the national furor. She declined to discuss the details of the case, but said that it was one of hundreds of cases the jury had heard over the course of a few days. She said the jurors did their best to probe for the truth and follow Alabama law.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Biden made a HUGE mistake to say the issue of bussing was up to the individual states...

Kamala destroyed Biden on this issue. He should just say he was wrong and apologize, or else this primary race is over for him.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Politicub]

3. I don't think Biden really knew what he was saying about leaving it to local councils

But Harris told him... he was arguing for states rights. That's why we have the voting rights act. That's why we need the equality amendment passed. And that's why the ERA needs to pass.

And that's the problem with the Supreme Court's decision about gerrymandering -- "leave it local".

[JudyM]

7. This!

[jcgoldie]

9. I'll catch hell for this...

But I think you are correct. If you saw Joe in the post interview, he didn't seem to have a grasp on the issue. His wife literally drug him away. Ageist, maybe thats me... but I don't feel like Biden is at his best.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Exactly right... how does Joe NOT see this?!?!

He's got 24 hours to come out with a statement correcting his mistake... there's still time to upright the boat before it sinks, but, he needs to be quick about it!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LovingA2andMI]

4. And he thinks the NRA is not that bad....

"Our enemy is the gun manufacturers, not the NRA." - Joe Biden. <----- HE SAID IT!!!

[crazytown]

27. The commentators say he misspoke

He prepared to say 'Our enemy is not gun owners, but the NRA'

[LovingA2andMI]

42. He Said What He Said....

The Commentators cannot twist what he said after the fact. The record speaks for itself.

[LanternWaste]

45. Literalism in all things is a lesson best learned (and kept) in church.

But I get it... a juicy bone is a tough thing to let go of.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. I couldn't believable Joe said that... had to hit rewind to make sure he really did say it.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Hoyt]

40. He's wrong about busing, but gun profiteers are the main NRA funding source.

So the two are kind of the same.

[AlexSFCA]

6. Kamala's argument was so powerful and genuine

that I’m quite disappointed in Biden’s response.

[cbelle1039]

8. Raise your hand if you really believe that Harris can beat Trump.

I am so disappointed that many black pundits are mischaracterizing the Biden/Harris incident. Harris has become the new spoiler for us in 2020 I believe. I hope not. I like Harris and I like Biden. I like my party over them both.

Joe was a public defender. Kamala was a prosecutor. Let that sink in.

There is far more important issues that Joe's busing position 40 years ago. We are about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I am very sad that Van Jone, Joy and others are making this a HUGE issue at this time.

[AlexSFCA]

10. I absolutely think Harris can beat trump

just like Obama beat the crap out of mcpalin. I’m not at all convinced Biden is the best option. Warren is strong and is not afraid to fight in any place. Harris is genuine and relatable. Pete is in a league of his own with his military experience.

Let’s look at the history of best options: Gore, Kerry, Clinton. Didn’t that work out great. And then Obama who - bingo, magic ticket.

[gabeana]

11. I think most of our candidates can beat Trump

after all he didn't get the most votes last time, 2018 midterms dems slaughtered the Repubs
I guess I am raising my hand
Yes Harris can beat Trump, no brainer

[Autumn]

13. Harris can beat Trump and not break a nail.

[uponit7771]

15. I don't see too many people judging Biden on what he did 132423 years ago. He was Obama's

... VP and that's enough for a lot including me.

Just need to hear more policies from him to solidify why he needs the vote

[cbelle1039]

18. Harris can beat Trump in blue states, but not the swing states. Remember,

they went for Trump.

[AlexSFCA]

26. ??? She just needs 30k votes to win - all dems

who need to be energized and excited by someone like Harris (female Obama). Harris is more likely to carry FL than Biden, imo. She would need be very strategic when selecting a vp. Harris will easily attract BS and Warren coalition due to medicare for all support which Biden is strongly against. Biden will help her to win by aggrssively campaigning for her in rust belt especially in PA.

[sacto95834]

30. It was three states....

A perfect storm for the Orange One. Wisconsin won by ~25K votes; Michigan by ~10K and Penn by ~40K.

He truly pulled off a hat trick. Can he do it again? Yes anything is possible. Is he likely? NO.

Can Harris carry these states? I don't see why not. Trump is polling terribly in these states today.

I don't see why Biden is such a better pick than Harris. Each has different strengths. I personally think Biden is the weaker candidate and as this campaign goes on his flaws will start to come to light. Some were bought up in tonight's debate by friendly Democrats. Imagine what the Pukes will do with the same information if Biden is our candidate.

You cannot dismiss the not so good parts of his past when he brags about it as what makes him electable. I guess you can, but it makes you look unauthentic.

[Celerity]

21. she can CRUSH Rump, especially with a good strategic VP pick

[crazytown]

28. What's the DJI in November 2020?

[MarcA]

29. Several of our candidates including Kamala can defeat drumph.

I believe that Biden is the 2020 spoiler, if I am allowed to say so.
Never know around here.

[sacto95834]

31. My friend...

you are braver than me. duck!!

[MarcA]

35. Thank you my friend.

Yes, words and terms are allowed for descriptions of all our candidates
and their supporters here equally, except, of course, some are more
equal than others.

[EffieBlack]

19. I'm also disappointed with the response of some people here

Full on attack on Harris for challenging Biden.

if any one of the white men on stage had done what she did, people here would be cheering them. Instead, she's being attacked and it's very disheartening.

[UniteFightBack]

20. I see you think very little of the people here if you think that. nt

[EffieBlack]

32. There are a few people here of whom I think little

[UniteFightBack]

44. Your post proves otherwise. nt

[MarcA]

25. Agreed and there is more to come. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. Yes, Kamala dismantled Joe tonight... I kinda felt sorry for him.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Goodheart]

12. He should have just admitted a mistake.

[uponit7771]

16. This, I don't know what his advisers are telling him but there's no way he should say he would make

... the same vote today.

[StarfishSaver]

23. I don't know why his team let him get blindsided like this

Given his problematic history on busing, his people should have known that Harris had been bused as a child and prepped him for an appropriate response.

[sacto95834]

33. Could it be...

Biden won't listen to his staffers?

To Biden's credit, he's run a pretty good campaign so far. He basically only attends small parties and have raised funds. He has stayed away from large events that features a forum. I think this is the first time he's been to an event where questions were asked that couldn't be managed by him/his team.

[DeminPennswoods]

14. Local control is a disingenuous argument

Communities with "good schools" aren't going to agree to have kids from lesser schools coming into their neighborhoods. They certainly aren't going to agree to sending their kids away from their "good school" to a lesser school. It just allows segregation to chug along under the guise of "local control".

[Goodheart]

17. Correct.

[Celerity]

22. +2

[StarfishSaver]

24. "Local control," "neighborhood schools," etc. were the pretext used to thwart desegregation

Busing was a last resort.

[robbedvoter]

41. except he doesn't think he was wrong

Link to tweet

[loyalsister]

43. Definitely

There are many ways he could have deflected without coming across as callous and dismissive. He could have acknowledged that policies on paper don't always provide a clear understanding of the on the ground experiences of people affected. And that he evaluated the relevant information with good intentions and without fully understanding how policies and stories might sound when informed by experiences he has not had.

He didn't even have to say he was wrong to accept her assessment as a valid. The defensiveness is itself an indication that he has not done the work and self examination of privilege. His credibility is compromised because understandings of white supremacy are different from what they were when he was actively supporting the civil rights movement.

[wyldwolf]

47. It's similar to Harris's argument on Police body cams