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Per Chris Matthews: Biden's team says Harris is doing "exactly what Trump wants."

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Sounds like an over-reaction to me.

The second tweet is by a senior advisor to Biden and it might be at the root of this story. The advisor gets a key thing wrong, however; Harris wasn't criticizing Biden for working with Eastland/Talmudge on the Voting Rights Act. It was for his work with them on the anti-busing bill.





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The @JoeBiden team said that @KamalaHarris is ďdoing exactly what Trump wants,Ē per MSNBC. Fails on two levels. First, he doesnít want a charismatic black candidate telling the truth about racism. Second, the idea Trump wants Biden out of the race, after tonight, seems laughable.


(Jamil Smith writes for Rolling Stone.)


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Letís get real. @JoeBiden fought for civil rights for his entire life. He started his career as a public defender. To attack him because he worked to convince Repubs (yes, some with horrible views) to vote for the Voting Rights Act is outrageous and is exactly what Trump wants.
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:18 AM

1. Sounds like loser to me.

 

Edit: to clarify; I mean Biden lost tonight.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:39 AM

46. I'm sure it does..

 


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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:49 AM

99. Isn't that interesting?

 

But Kamala did dominate tonight. And she had to.
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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:54 AM

130. Thanks for clarifying that, Cha

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #130)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:56 AM

131. Thank you for the shout out, mcar!

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:18 AM

2. I will say this.Watch the polls Harris did herself no favors tonight.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:47 AM

55. I agree

 

in the long run I think she will have hurt herself.
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Response to Raine (Reply #55)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:31 AM

121. People like fairness...so much she could have brought up to Biden that were legitimate issues.

 

Busing isn't one of them...If she plans on running on busing in the 21st century...she is the one out of step.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:51 AM

101. We will see, but I thought she did very well.

 

Biden needs to up his game a bit in my opinion.
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #101)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:29 AM

120. Watch the polls, I could be wrong but outside of the media, I don't see much movement her way.

 

She hurt herself where a general is concerned too...which brings back the question...is she electable?
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:57 AM

106. Why? nt

 

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #106)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:27 AM

119. I don't think she did...she basically called Biden a racist which is untrue...she did nothing to put

 

to rest the fear that she is unelectable...She took policy positions like MFA which will hurt her in any general. I would not vote for her in a primary now...general of course but not a primary.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:56 AM

132. Disagree.

 

She clearly won the debate. She caught Biden flat-footed, which should not have happened. He should have been prepared.

I hope Biden learns from this. But to say that Harris did herself no favors? Do you think Castro did himself a favor Wed night by challenging O'Rourke?
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Response to mcar (Reply #132)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:56 AM

138. She may have 'won' he debate (I though the busing thing was contrived) but she didn't win over

 

voters in my opinion.
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Response to mcar (Reply #132)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:58 AM

139. No one likes pre-planned attacks...and on busing? Give me a break...did you watch. I thought

 

Biden did fine. My thinking is she will not be the nominee nor a VP>
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:04 PM

144. Of course, there's no bias or anything with that post. 😂

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:18 AM

3. Really?

 

Sheesh.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:20 AM

9. What the hell does "grow up" mean? nt

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:26 AM

19. It means this is war, not whining...

 

It means this is war, not whining...

Americans are dying because of Trump's Administration, he's treasonous, his appointees and staff are all crooks, and the fire needs to be focused and sharp.

Attack actions, not words. Children complain about insults; adults fight over realities.

She's falling behind and needed to take a shot. Big deal.

She can complain all she wants about Trump's words, and NO ONE will change their vote.

Criticize his actions, and offer a better alternative.

Whining about language is just ... whining.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:22 AM

12. Children don't talk like that. She responded appropriately.

 

A child would have said, "You were mean." But she gave him the benefit of the doubt. She didn't attribute any bad intentions to him, and she sincerely meant that.

She merely described to him the effect of his words on her -- and many others. This is a very adult way of explaining to someone a mistake they just unintentionally made.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:28 AM

26. For god's sake... fight over deeds, not words...

 


For god's sake... fight over deeds, not words...

Whining about language? And she was a prosecutor?

Weak.
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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:32 AM

38. That is what Harris was doing, pointing out Biden's deeds

 

Biden will not beat the buffoon, not sure why many cannot see that. The buffoon wants Biden to be the nominee, not sure why people cannot see that either.

The buffoon uses reverse psychology all the time, and this is one of them, he really wants Biden, he knows he can defeat Biden.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:42 AM

48. The buffoon wants Bernie to be the nominee...

 

The buffoon wants Bernie to be the nominee...

Biden is hardly perfect, but you know what he brings to the table?

Normalcy.

Stability.

Comity (whether actual or perceived).

Trump's greatest weakness is how fucking tired Americans are of his actions and antics, and the fact that he was and is an insurgent.

Trump knows Biden knows the system; he knows where the bodies are buried, and how the sausage gets made.

Trump does NOT want to face Biden.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:46 AM

53. He knows he can defeat Biden...oh rump the all seeing and all powerful. PLEASE. nt

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:32 AM

122. I really disagree...and it was so contrived...with a picture just waiting to be released...I think

 

she will regret this.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:57 AM

134. This exactly

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:27 AM

23. I'm definitely going to have to disagree with you here.

 

Both my wife and I thought Harris the clear winner of the debate tonight. She'd eat Trump alive in a debate because she's a tough-as-nails prosecutor.

And...what the hell is wrong with saying someone's words are hurtful? You think Trump's are not? You think the white supremacists, nazis and kluxers aren't hurtful? You think ripping kids from their mothers' arms and sticking them in concentration camps isn't hurtful?

No, Harris took Biden down a few notches. Didn't you see his head whip around when she said, "and I was that little girl?"

And the food fight comment - that won the debate and may well propel her to the nomination.
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:31 AM

34. Tough as nails prosecutor?

 

Prosecutors argue the facts - not feelings, or emotion, or "hurtful words..."

And Trump, Putin, Kim and every other world leader a US president faces doesn't give a shit about "feelings."

They respect strength - sometimes logic.

But "your words were hurtful"?

Give me a break.

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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:37 AM

44. Sorry, but 'give me a fucking break' is over the top.

 

You don't get to talk to me or anyone else on here like this.

You're welcome to your opinion, and I to mine. But I don't owe you a fucking thing, let alone a break. Just leave it.
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:46 AM

54. Sorry, but I want a fighter taking on Trump...

 

Sorry, but I want a fighter taking on Trump... someone who fights over ISSUES and ACTIONS, not "hurtful words"...

Not words. Harris is in single digits with AA voters. Biden is a 46 percent; even Sanders is ahead of her.

This was calculated and contrived.

Hail Mary, at best.

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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #54)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 AM

59. Fair enough. We'll see how it plays out. n/t

 

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #59)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:52 AM

64. True statement

 


True statement.

I've voted for her. I'll vote for her again if she's the nominee, obviously.

But for god's sake, I don't want Democratic candidates to present themselves as "victims" who complain about their "feelings."

I want someone who will gut Trump based on realities - not "hurtful" words.
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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #54)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:46 AM

129. I totally agree with you. Harris has blunted whatever

 

real and present attacks on Trumpís racisim by calling a Democrat a racist. Especially for something from 40 years ago.

And she teeíd it up by misrepresenting his points about segregationists. Booker also lost credibility that way.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #129)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:19 AM

135. She clearly said, "I don't think you're a racist."

 

When she said, I'm going to direct this now to Vice President Biden, she prefaced what she said with "I don't think you're a racist."

It's on video, for god's sake.
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Response to Demit (Reply #135)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:22 AM

136. Her accusations revealed what she was after, not the artificial

 

premise. For Godís sake.
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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:53 AM

66. I'm sure she never said, "your words were hurtful" to a criminal and will never say that to Trump.

 

But to another Democrat, for a Democratic audience, that's an appropriate way to criticize someone and not whining at all.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #66)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:58 AM

71. I voted for her for AG, but I'm starting to wonder

 

I voted for her for AG, but I'm starting to wonder...

Life is nasty, brutish, and short. Everyone carries a cross. That's the lot of humanity; always has been, always will be...

Tell me what you're going to do differently than the asshole in the White House, not that someone hurt your feelings.

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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #71)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:12 AM

79. Her job was to take him down, she wasn't personally hurt by it.

 

My view is that she scored and he didn't have a good answer. In a few days, we'll see if other voters agree with me.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #79)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:16 AM

85. Undoubtedly true about seeing if anything comes of it...

 

Undoubtedly true about seeing if anything comes of it...

My view is life's a bitch and then you die, and complaining about "hurtful words" is so much noise.

I want a leader, and a fighter; I'm watching the re-run now, and I'm watching for evidence of strength.
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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #85)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:55 AM

104. If you didn't see it the first time, you won't see it at all.

 

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #104)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:13 AM

112. Different nuances and facets second time around...

 

Different nuances and facets second time around...

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #66)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:35 AM

123. The whole thing was contrived like I said with a photo waiting to go out...I hate women playing the

 

victim in these situations...and I honestly thought that is what happened.
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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 11:50 AM

143. Rhetoric

 

Logos, Ethos, Pathos


Running for President isn't a Prosecution where you have to convince beyond a reasonable doubt.

It's about appealing to the voters. And, yes, you can use emotion to do that along with logic and ethics.
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:58 AM

118. Because that's not appreciated that much by general voters

 

The "hurtful" thems just brings up "snowflake!" Especially if it is just words. Sticks and stones, that is a basis of American culture. Your other examples are not just words. And words coming from another liberal as "hurtful" would indicate to Rs they can use even more hurtful words (which they would want to do) and get somewhere. People who are "hurt" are weaker, right? That is what Rs are all about.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:33 AM

39. Yeah, whining about "hurtful words" is going to make Donald Trump change his behavior.

 

Yeah, whining about "hurtful words" is going to make Donald Trump change his behavior.

It was a pathetic hail mary.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:30 AM

31. That is because when Biden voted against it, she was a child

 

He hurt a child by not voting for what he says now he supported...Very lame to say that he didn't vote for something he supported because it was a local decision. You either support the issue or you don't.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:37 AM

42. So was I...

 

So was I... we're the exact same age, and my school was subject to court-ordered busing.

NO ONE gives a shit about feelings from childhood when a candidate is running for president of the United States and commander in chief...

She was trying to show she can take on old white guys; unfortunately, the old white guy she would need to beat in November will laugh at her when she talks about her "feelings."

Weak as shit; no strength.



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Response to Perseus (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:36 AM

125. I am sorry...I doubt a kid her age knew Biden's name...and she got the facts wrong too.

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:45 AM

52. Good point. If she was 'so hurt' by these MADE UP WORDS that she said Joe said then rump is

 

going to skewer her.
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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #52)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 AM

58. Sticks and stones...

 


Again, no prosecutor argues a case against a defendant based on the defendant's "hurtful words"...

Facts and the law and logic.

Not emotion.

She's in single digits with AA voters; Biden is at 40 percent.

This was her effort to break out of the cellar.
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:18 AM

5. ridiculous charge by team Biden, smdh

 

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Response to Celerity (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:19 AM

7. +1, all he has to say is those votes were a mistake and leave it at that !!!

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:16 AM

83. They didn't make any such charge though. Symone Sanders says Biden "camp" said no such thing

 



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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:24 AM

89. and she was wrong, it was Alex Cristobal, one of his main Sr. advisers

 


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Response to Celerity (Reply #89)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:29 AM

90. More info

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287173668

Sorry, this wonít help Pete or Sen Harris rise in the polls iím afraid. They are both great, best if Pete does what he is doing and Senator Harris focuses on her strengths and accomplishments
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:36 AM

94. I am for the person who can best shred Trump apart, Harris is closer to that person than Biden is

 

Biden made another error by saying the NRA 'is not an enemy' and trying to parse out and separate them (the NRA) from the gun manufactures. The NRA IS a fucking enemy at multiple levels, including being a Russian money laundering political slush fund for the Rethugs.

Biden is far from a sure thing, and far from the best to put up against Rump in a debate. One on one, Harris would tear circa 2019-20 Biden apart in 9 out 10 debates. She is a relentless and hyper-intelligent politician with great charisma and is also a superbly-skilled prosecutor starting to enter the peak of her intellectual and political powers. Biden is starting to manifest the effects of getting closer to 80 years of age (Biden would be in his 80's for over 75% of his two terms, from 2022 to 2029.) He is no longer remotely close to the peak of his powers, as was on display at both the Poor Peoples Campaign appearance well as the debate tonight.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:42 AM

96. She's great

 

Love her. On my shortlist

Big question in my mind this time out is can a candidate win the rust belt and former purple states like Iowa. Still undecided
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:55 AM

105. McRaven as VP would help with that I think, 4 Star Admiral, US Spec Ops commander who led the bin

 

Laden kill raid), ex Navy Seal, hyper intelligent (he also has been the University of Texas president) like Harris and Pete, shedloads of charisma, and (more superficially) pretty tall, dominant presence, white, and male, into fighting climate change as well

McRaven: Trump, not terrorists, is biggest threat to national security

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/17/navy-seal-mcraven-trump-threatens-national-security/1183799001/



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Response to Celerity (Reply #94)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:39 AM

126. This is not about shredding Trump...he is going for an electoral college win through the the

 

rustbelt...and Harris won't take the states we need and she did herself harm last night with some of her policy positions. We need WI, MI and PA...Harris will not win those states. Biden can rebuild the blue wall.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #126)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:57 AM

133. not sold on Biden's ability to take on Rump at all, each new public event convinces me more

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:53 AM

137. Do you think Warren or Harris can win Michigan and Wisconsin? They won't. Who can win?

 

If we don't rebuild the blue wall we lose...and the house could be in play with the wrong candidate...all of our candidates have now taken on policies that will hurt us in a general.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 11:06 AM

140. Yes, I think either can win those states, especially Harris and even more so with a great VP

 

that is strategically sound.

The Biden or bust meme is looking more threadbare with each week that passes. He still is the front runner, but he simply must massively up his game if he is going to be able to run a general election campaign. He is not looking strong at all atm.

His



positing is just plain daft

The NRA itself IS a clear and present danger, on multiple levels including being a Russian money laundering op, and tossing in hundreds of millions to help elect Rethugs, and to gut any reasonable gun control.

They are literally the definition of an enemy, at multiple inflection points.



The vast majority of the NRA members now are gun-humpers and RW'ers, most 'reasonable' ones left long ago.


Why More Than 90 Percent Of Gun Owners Donít Join The NRA

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/nra-russia-investigations-gun-lobby


The NRA used to be much more bipartisan. Now it's mostly just a wing of the GOP

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/24/politics/nra-partisan-bipartisan-republican/index.html





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Response to Celerity (Reply #89)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:53 AM

102. Where's the statement put out by Joe Biden's campaign?

 

I see a Tweet, but where's the statement the campaign supposedly pits out?
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Response to .99center (Reply #102)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:58 AM

107. that was what the reporters were referring to, in todays world tweets from senior campaign officals

 

are statements. It is 2019, not 1988 where people sent fax docs.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:09 AM

110. Twist it however you want

 

One advisor live Tweeting his opinion during a debate is far from a campaign putting out a statement.
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Response to .99center (Reply #110)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:11 AM

111. I am not the one twisting anything, the reporting never said Biden himself said it, and it was from

 

one of his most senior campaign officials.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:19 AM

6. Bulls**t!!!

 

Period!

This comment will get around QUICK in the African-American community. Real quick!
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:28 AM

27. I doubt that.

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:29 AM

29. Agreed

 


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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:29 AM

30. You think?

 

It's getting around already on the internets. But you have a right to your opinion and "doubt".
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:20 AM

8. I haven't been able to verify this anywhere else except as something Matthews said. I'd have

 

to see the exact statement, which might not have come from Biden even if some staffer said it.

However, FWIW, Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale is already openly gleeful about Harris going after Biden.

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:20 AM

10. Is there any evidence that the "Biden team" stated this? n/t

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:24 AM

16. Other than Chris Matthews saying the Biden team had just put out the statement, I haven't seen it.nt

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:26 AM

21. Thank you. n/t

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:22 AM

11. That twitter thread is pretty telling.

 

I thought Harris was great tonight. Am supporting Warren, but I could totally get behind Harris. She'd be a great president - dynamic, fearless, incisive. I was quite impressed. As was my wife. To our minds, Harris was the clear winner of this night's debate.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:22 AM

13. Will be interesting to see how the polls react between now and next round

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:24 AM

14. "My time's up. I'm sorry"

 

-- VP Biden after his colloquy with Sen Harris
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:24 AM

15. Nah. Trump will NEVER be able to attack Biden's record when his is SO fucking racist. Biden knows

 

that he'll stand solid against Trump.

Kamala said more than once that "I don't believe Joe is a racist."


As Harris confronted him, I could see Biden's face & inner voice say, "I need this powerhouse as VP!"
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:25 AM

17. Biden staffer Symone Sanders said there was no such statement from the campaign.

 

Just read that on Twitter. Trying to track this down.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:26 AM

20. Interesting. I wouldn't expect Chris Matthews would have made that up. nt

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:28 AM

28. Symone Sanders tweet here:

 






I'm still trying to find more info on this.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:31 AM

33. Maybe you should self delete since S Sanders says it isn't true

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:37 AM

43. I trust Chris Matthews and MSNBC will issue a correction if necessary. n/t

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:50 AM

63. Will you issue a correction?

 


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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #63)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:53 AM

67. I won't have to. It turns out that a Biden Senior Advisor tweeted this out tonight.

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212225484
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:36 AM

124. Sure he would. Tweety is in it for the mud-slinging. He doesn't much care who's mud, as long as he's

 

in the cross-fire.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:30 AM

32. Could be t-rump's trolls viva

 

Russia, Saudi Arabia, Republicans, et al.,
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:31 AM

35. Possibly. I'm still looking for any real proof of the statement.

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:26 AM

18. Large majorities oppose forced busing and Im sure a majority would say Biden was

 

right to work with segregationists. Its the opposite in the Dem primary though, that's Biden's problem.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:26 AM

22. so where's the proof this has happened? nt

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:32 AM

37. No proof that I can find so far.

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:27 AM

24. Actually, the buffoon wants Biden to win the nomination

 

He knows Biden will be fair game for him, and that Biden will not be strong enough to fight his child behaviour.

That is a very weak attack on Harris, what they don't like is that both Harris and Bennett exposed him.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:31 AM

36. Except It isn't true

 




Maybe you could self delete, because Biden staff did not attack Harris that way.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:34 AM

40. Its not true the Biden campaign said that?

 

Hmmm...Did we get fooled by fake news?
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:39 AM

47. Chris Matthews said it on MSNBC. He has less of a reason to shade the truth

 

than Sanders, but, yes, I would like this to be confirmed, too.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:56 AM

70. He is quoting a writer from the Rolling Stone in your OP, so Matthews is just repeating what someone

 

else has alleged.

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Response to still_one (Reply #70)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:01 AM

72. I thought the Rolling Stone writer was quoting him. But in any case

 

we have the tweet from Biden's Sr. Advisor, which seems to solve the mystery.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212225484
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:42 AM

49. Symone D Sanders works for the Biden campaign. I take her at her word.

 

We know her from 2016, when she worked for Bernie. She is the real deal.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:38 AM

45. Wow.. Thank You for that, emulatorloo!

 



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Response to Cha (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 AM

57. Dunno why this thread keeps going. What OP asserts is not true

 

Yet people still keep posting as if it is true. Weird.
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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #57)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:49 AM

62. They're not paying attention to

 

your tweet from Symone.. only what the OP put up.

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:55 AM

68. It's been a hot issue for a week, and she went there, so we are all stirred up again.

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:35 AM

41. That's nonsense, given all the polls showing Biden beating Trump.

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:43 AM

50. If true, Biden's team should tone it down.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:44 AM

51. It isn't true though.

 




Symone Sanders is a spokesperson for the Biden campaign. Is there anyway I can convince you to delete your ďif TrueĒ post?

Because it isnít true.




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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:47 AM

56. ****Biden Camp Claims They Said No Such Thing****

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:52 AM

65. The source is a writer from the Rolling Stone. It is right to be skeptical.

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:49 AM

60. Ouch! Nt

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:13 AM

80. ..

 


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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:49 AM

61. I would like to see a confirmation of this from another source, other than a writer for the Rolling

 

Stone.

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Response to still_one (Reply #61)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:55 AM

69. Here's a tweet from a Sr. Advisor to Biden that might be at the bottom of this.

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212225484
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #69)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:06 AM

73. That tweet from a Biden advisor was dumb, IMO, but it wasn't a statement

 

from the campaign, any sort of official statement, which is what Matthews said it was.

Linking to the tweet, since you self-deleted the OP at that DU link:





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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #73)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:11 AM

78. It is yellow journalism, intentionally leaving out the full context, to present something in a much

 

more negative light

The exchange between Harris and Biden was actually quite respectful,, and the media seems to be enjoying putting their hyperbole on it.

In the next few days we will see what results, but I suspect it will not move the polls significantly one way or another


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Response to pnwmom (Reply #69)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:07 AM

74. The tweet in the OP is presented in an entirely different way then the actual tween from the Biden

 

camp

Actual tweet from the campaign:

"Letís get real. @JoeBiden fought for civil rights for his entire life. He started his career as a public defender. To attack him because he worked to convince Repubs (yes, some with horrible views) to vote for the Voting Rights Act is outrageous and is exactly what Trump wants."

Tweet from the Rolling Stone conveyed by Matthews:

"The @JoeBiden team said that @KamalaHarris is ďdoing exactly what Trump wants,Ē per MSNBC. Fails on two levels. First, he doesnít want a charismatic black candidate telling the truth about racism. Second, the idea Trump wants Biden out of the race, after tonight, seems laughable."

Leaving out the full context of what the Biden campaign said is what is referred to as yellow journalism I am sorry to say




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Response to still_one (Reply #74)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:11 AM

76. OMG.. Way to Twist IT UP, Jamil Smith

 

Thank You for this, still_one!
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:15 AM

82. It isn't me, it is actually the OP who was up front to supply the link to me in a previous post to

 

me, so I appreciate that.

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:16 AM

84. Good! 'Cause all I saw was

 

your post.. thank You for telling me.

It's not in the OP, tho
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:18 AM

88. Agreed, the OP is intentionally misleading. Here is the link to the tweet:

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287173608


Direct Twitter link:


?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1144428987596324865&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F1287173608




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Response to still_one (Reply #88)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:32 AM

92. JHC.. the Responsible thing to do would

 

be to edit and post the Real Tweet from Biden's campaign..

"Letís get real. @JoeBiden fought for civil rights for his entire life. He started his career as a public defender. To attack him because he worked to convince Repubs (yes, some with horrible views) to vote for the Voting Rights Act is outrageous and is exactly what Trump wants."

I tried to find this in Tweet form but I can't come up with it yet..
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:44 AM

98. Here it is!

 



https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287173668#top
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:54 AM

103. Good work Cha, thanks

 

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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:07 AM

75. How about confirmation that it's not true?

 



https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=173398
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:11 AM

77. Sanders was right. They did not.

 

fake news.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:14 AM

81. Sanders was wrong. Biden's Sr. Advisor tweeted out those words -- that Harris

 

was doing "exactly what Trump wants." But the advisor mistakenly attributed the disagreement to Biden's working on the Voting Rights act with the segregationists, instead of on the anti-busing bill.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #81)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:18 AM

87. I stand by what I said.

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #81)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:30 AM

91. Thank you for taking the time to post on this.

 

I see some remain in a trumpian mindset even when presented with the truth.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #81)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:36 AM

93. Sanders was correct. This was an off-the-cuff tweet from a single advisor during the debate, not

 

any sort of actual statement from the campaign, which is how Matthews mischaracterized it.

It's quite likely Sanders had no idea what that advisor had tweeted.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #93)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:39 AM

95. People who call themselves Sr. campaign advisors should not make "off the cuff" tweets

 

on Twitter.

After the pushback they're now saying, apparently, that the tweet was "off the cuff." Maybe so, but putting your title as Sr. Advisor on your page gives your communications weight.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:50 AM

100. The tweet WAS off the cuff, posted just minutes after the exchange between Harris and Biden.

 

And Matthews pretending this was a statement from the campaign was a serious misrepresentation. He would have known that saying it was a tweet from a single advisor would have made it seem much less important.
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Response to Iliyah (Reply #77)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:17 AM

86. That is very kind of Bernie to say that

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Too many people with the last name of Sanders


I am soooooooo confused



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Response to still_one (Reply #86)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 01:58 AM

108. LOL! Sorry about the confusion!

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #108)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:04 AM

109. I wasn't really confused, but I couldn't resist

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:21 AM

113. Biden has fucked up big time.

 

This is what he does. The Great Gaffesby puts himself in the shit, and then canít find a way out.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #113)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:27 AM

114. I don't take anything you have

 

to say about Biden seriously.
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Response to Cha (Reply #114)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:45 AM

115. Lulzd.

 

When all else fails, make it personal.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #115)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:49 AM

116. And, your post is self-evident why.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #116)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:53 AM

117. Ok. I'll take that under advisement.

 

I canít wait for the serious peoples here to splain why Biden is still our Only Hope.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #113)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:42 AM

127. In your dreams...you hope it to be true...just like shoulder touching and working with racists

 

blah blah...but we know Joe and I predict this will hurt Harris not help her.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #127)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:40 PM

145. I do hope it is now rather than later.

 

If he implodes during the election campaign itís too late.
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:45 AM

128. Was a tweet from an advisor while debates going on, not an official Biden team statement. NT

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 11:16 AM

141. Kamala is a tough prosecutor

 

and decent Senator. I voted for her... and I contributed to her campaign.

But one thing she is not... is charismatic.

Obama is charismatic. Beto is charismatic (but maybe lacking in the substance department).

Kamala, despite her other qualities, is just not that person.
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 11:17 AM

142. Wow. Better to have just kept their traps shut.

 

Sounds like they know Biden lost last night.
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