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Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:22 PM

 

Sanders and electability...

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“Voters are very concerned about electability,” Sanders pollster Ben Tulchin said on the call. “All the data shows that Bernie is a very, very strong candidate when it comes to defeating trump.

Tulchin backed that up by pointing to recent public polling showing Sanders has improved his standing with minority voters and women since the last primary, arguing that roughly half of his supporters in early polls are women and almost half are nonwhite.
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sanders-campaign-looks-to-address-electability-questions-head-on
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RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 OP
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Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #13
Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #22
emulatorloo Mar 2019 #28
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emulatorloo Mar 2019 #36
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Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #51
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:28 PM

1. Here is another snip from the article:

 

But the Sanders team’s comments made it clear that they know their candidate has a perception problem as to his electability that could hurt his chances in the primary — and that they’re going to do everything they can to address it.
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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:31 PM

4. One would hope every candidate's team is addressing their candidates weaknesses as

 

well as strengths and do everything they can to address them.
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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:36 PM

6. After reading the pollster's comments I'm reminded of the following:

 

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 04:03 PM

13. I am a woman. And after some of the comments about abortion rights and identity politics, I

 

will never vote for Sen. Sanders in a primary. I would if he were to become our nominee ….of course in a general. I also have hard feeling about the 2016 general...I don't feel he did all he could. I just don't. Combine this with my firm belief he can't win a general, this is why I won't support Sen. Sanders in a primary but only in a general.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:13 PM

22. Comments about abortion rights?

 

I think you have him confused with someone else. Maybe your choice?
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:27 PM

28. Who told us on Maddow that a beleaguered women's health organization is "establishment" ?

 

A health organization that is constantly under attack by Republicans? That they would love to destroy?

When given a chance to backtrack, he doubled down.

You know, people do have memories. They aren’t going to magically forget things because you want them to.
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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 09:54 PM

33. Calling PP establishment versus:

 

Voting for the Hyde amendment

Saying Roe v. Wade “went too far” and he didn’t think “that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body.”


In 1981, successfully proposed an amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act, barring US aid from being used for biomedical research related to abortions. He has had a lasting legacy in this respect: to this day, the amendment has remained a part of the laws covering foreign assistance.


I’ll take Bernie’s record any day.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:08 AM

36. Yeah love Bernie's essay on how women get cancer because they won't put out for their revolutionary

 

boyfriends. So progressive. So pro women’s autonomy.

As usual you ass-ume stuff, like you ass-mume I support Biden. And again you are wrong. Undecided here.

I’m just not a fan of gaslighting, bullying people who have a different opinion, or rationalizing and handwaving away the problematic things in Senator Sanders voting record and statements.

Supported Sanders in 2016. There are much more qualified candidates out there this time.
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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:04 AM

38. You should look at the beginning of this sub thread to see who I was speaking to and about.

 

Do follow along.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:05 AM

51. Nope...he endorsed Hugh Mello and said we needed to welcome people with opposing views on

 

abortions...and this didn't happen 30 years ago either. He is unwilling to support any candidate who doesn't agree with his economic policy...but on abortion...well we must accept those who disagree. Hugh Mello sponsored anti-abortion bills.

http://feministing.com/2017/04/23/no-bernie-theres-no-economic-justice-without-abortion-access/
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:27 AM

58. See the article From 2015

 

Tom Perez, you know the guy who leads The Democratic Party, supported the Mello. But Bernie stumps for the guy and he is the devil.

It’s funny how the “tent” is always big enough for a Senator like Manchin who actively votes for anti abortion legislation and supports anti abortion judges. But a local mayor is beyond the pale and anyone who stumps for him is evil.


Just to be clear, Bernie doesn’t now, or never has, harbored any pro life stances or sponsored any pro life/anti abortion laws.

We are not even in the same universe when it comes to support for abortion issues.


Vice President Biden's comments about abortion in America interview kick off new conversations


In an exclusive interview with America released at the beginning of this week, Vice President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. affirmed that pro-life people "absolutely, positively" are welcome in the Democratic party and that he believes, as a Catholic, that "abortion is always wrong." His comments, very different from most contributions to the political conversation about abortion, are blurring some long-established lines in the culture wars and generating significant interest in the media and among commentators.

https://www.americamagazine.org/content/all-things/biden-interview-starts-new-conversations-abortion-debate


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Voting for the Hyde amendment which to this day restricts any federal funds to be used for abortion.

Saying Roe v. Wade “went too far” and he didn’t think “that a woman has the sole right to say what should happen to her body.”


In 1981, successfully proposed an amendment to the Foreign Assistance Act, barring US aid from being used for biomedical research related to abortions. He has had a lasting legacy in this respect: to this day, the amendment has remained a part of the laws covering foreign assistance.


I’ll take Bernie’s record any day.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #58)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:59 AM

60. There is a difference than welcoming those with opposing views...we have a Senator from PA

 

who is pro-life and someone like Mello. Hugh Mello sponsored a bill to take away a woman's right to choose. Also, He was part of a winning strategy to stop women from being able to use health insurance for abortion. Now if you go against Sen. Sander's economic policies, he refuses to endorse, but a candidate who successfully stripped women of their right to choose is fine...no not for me. So I don't see how Sen. Sanders can successfully attack VP Biden on this issue after this. I find Sen. Sanders support for issues that I care about...social justice which includes the right to choose among other things not sufficient to earn my vote in a primary. I would of course support him in a general.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #60)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:15 PM

61. Just to be clear. Sanders never supported an amendment to restrict abortions.

 

The other guy literally wrote one. An amendment that still stands today as a restriction. Since 1981!
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #61)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 04:39 PM

95. Sanders campaign for Mello who did succeed in restricting abortion in Nebraska...so that

 

infuriated me...and honestly, I won't get over it. If Se. Sanders is the nominee, he has my vote in the general but I will not vote for him in a primary.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #58)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:38 PM

68. Sen. Sanders voted for the crime bill and against the Immigration bill...he also voted against

 

the Mazinsky act and that is just off the top of my head...selective attacks on Biden for something that happened forty years ago simply doesn't matter to me and I believe others.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #68)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:09 PM

86. Joe Biden WROTE the damn crime bill. Since we are doing whataboutism. And it was 1994. Not 40 years

 

Bernie has never been a tough on crime guy.

And he’s on record saying he supported the bill because the $1.8 billion for Violence Against Women Act was, in his words, desperately needed. It also included an assault weapon ban.


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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #86)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:55 AM

88. The violence against women act was a provision of that bill you know....and I don't give a damn

 

about ancient history...but if we are going to go after Biden for his 30 or 40 year old votes than...Sen. Sanders will also face this sort of thing. It is inevitable.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #88)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:59 AM

90. Oh you mean Senator Sanders doesn't currently face "this sort of thing"?

 

Wow. You believe that? Lol.

And the crime bill was 25 years ago. Bernie’s “essay” was 47 years ago but we hear about it every day on DU. Ancient history indeed.
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:28 PM

2. No surprise there!!

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:30 PM

3. Electability is an argument I've never understood...

 

...it can mean 320 million different things since there are 320 million different people in this country. It was also a main argument used against him last time and we all know how that turned out. So I'm not sure anyone should be relying on whatever they determine electability to mean when deciding who to vote for in the primary.
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:54 PM

8. You are right, it makes no sense, especial this time around.

 

Many winners were considered "unelectable" for some reason or other. And many losers were chosen for their electability. Jeb Bush was once considered electable while Trump was always and still seems unelectable. Reagan was once "too conservative" to be elected, if you can believe that.

Trump is not a conventional campaigner. We will not win by running a conventional "electable" candidate.
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:26 PM

66. Electablity is a key factor in this race

 

You have to look at who will match up against trump in a general. sanders would not match up well at all in my opinion.

I will support the nominee of the party but I will work to nominate a candidate who I think is electable
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #66)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:09 AM

89. Electability isn't a valuable criterion to use to try to sway others...

 

...since it doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. There's no objective way to measure it like there is with policy differences or concerns about someone's voting record.

Doesn't everyone think the candidate they support is electable?
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:36 PM

5. Willing to bet that EVERY campaign says their candidate is strong...

 

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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:48 PM

7. Bernie would be among the least-possible Dems to beat Trump

 

Personally, I believe that every Dem candidate (with the exception of Tulsi Gabbard) would beat Trump.

But among them, Bernie Sanders has the lowest chance in my opinion.

His "electability" is a real issue.... he has a hard-core fervent support of the Bernie Bros.... but that won't translate into grabbing the independents that are needed to win the general.

Our top priority.... above ANY policy considerations has to be who can most easily beat Trump. There are at least 5 candidates who would have an easier time winning the general election than Bernie.
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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:54 PM

9. Trump begins with about 40 % of vote. I think he will be tough to beat and I believe

 

Joe Biden with a solid VP choice...I like Kamala...is the only candidate who will beat Trump.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:20 PM

26. That's a poor number for an incumbent. Trump also zero chance of getting 50% of the vote. Zip. Nada.

 

He didn't hit even match Romney's 47% from 2012. Third party voters, Russia, Comey, and the electoral college gave him his fluke victory. A perfect shitstorm like that only comes once in a lifetime.

Harris, Biden, Bernie, or Warren, should (and one will) hand Trump his ass.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:57 AM

49. He won with numbers like that last time.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #49)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:00 PM

69. Barely. And he needed a ton of help to pull it off.

 

The Democratic candidate isn't going to get 48%, it will be higher. Enthusiasm on our side alone will ensure that.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #69)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:17 PM

72. With voting supression and cheating...I will take no chances. We need an electable candidate who

 

can reach independents...Democrats are somewhere between 30 and 40 % of the population...we will need more folks.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #72)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:30 PM

76. Then Biden is the safest choice. I much prefer him over Bernie anyway.

 

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Response to John Fante (Reply #76)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:32 PM

77. I don't think Sen. Sanders is electable myself in a general. Of course if I am wrong he has my vote.

 

I think Biden is our best shot...and I don't think it will be as easy as some predict...very nervous about 20.
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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:56 PM

10. Agreed. Polls mean nothing right now. Whether they're preference polls or hypothetical matchup polls

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:59 PM

12. I think Sanders would beat Trump handily.

 

Because Trump is all about throwing shade and divert, divert, divert, to make them defend themselves. But Sanders is a classic curmudgeon, he doesn't care what Trump says and he will throw shade right back. And Sanders is pretty single minded, he's got a clear message and won't be diverted.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 04:11 PM

14. I'm not so sure about it

 

I just found out that Bernie called for Russia to be added to NATO...in 2015...how is that any different from trump?
I think many people won’t go for that.
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Response to blue cat (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 04:32 PM

16. On certain issues, he is not so different. Trump ran on a non-interventionist

 

foreign policy. Other than sabre-rattling and photo-ops he's mostly done that. Sanders has the same idea, without the provocation. Our empire is almost done. Like all empires, they end up being too expensive to maintain. Troops will start coming home after 2020 no matter who wins. Better Sanders does that than Trump.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:31 PM

29. Trump's foreign policy message called for the US to commit literal war crimes.

 

"Bomb the shit out of them!" and "Why can't we use nukes?" don't sound like the words of an anti-war isolationist.

Edit: The United States bombed Afghanistan harder in 2018 than any year since the war began. US airstrikes in Yemen, Somalia, Syria, etc have also increased sharply since Dotard took over. His isolationism is as phony as his populism.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:54 PM

32. Well allowing for the usual lies and bluster

 

He was supposedly against invading Iraq, promised to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, make our allies pay for our bases, not push Russia in Ukraine (read as, no new war in Europe) raise tariffs and build walls, and suggested Clinton was a war hawk while he was not. I know it's mostly incoherent, but the same paleo-conservatives who liked Buchanan got the message. And it helps explain some of the Sanders/Trump crossover.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:49 PM

30. Yeah cool story

 

It was right after Devine got him to run.
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Response to blue cat (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:57 AM

37. You heard wrong. Bernie called for a NATO "like" organization/coalition to fight ISIS

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:00 AM

45. Yup

 

We must create an organization like NATO to confront the security threats of the 21st century — an organization that emphasizes cooperation and collaboration to defeat the rise of violent extremism and importantly to address the root causes underlying these brutal acts


We must work with our NATO partners, and expand our coalition to include Russia and members of the Arab League.


Yup


I don't get all the accusations saying Bernie is doing all this nonsense when it takes next to no time to see its usually nonsense or overblown.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:09 AM

46. Fishy no matter the explanation

 

I didn’t buy his explanation of missing vote re sanctions,again fishy, smelly. I have big concerns about how he handled the nuclear waste thing, and how his wife was involved. Nepotism.
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Response to blue cat (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:02 AM

50. Lol. Ok.

 

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Response to blue cat (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:17 AM

55. RT was pushing the "we need a new 'Nato-like' organization that includes Russia"

 

talking point in late 2015. I haven't heard it mentioned as anyone's policy position yet in this cycle.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:23 PM

27. Bernie would smash Trump.

 

And I say this as someone who still has hard feelings about 2016 and would NEVER vote for Bernie in a primary.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:53 PM

31. No he wouldn't

 

Man that’s like your opinion. I would not vote for him.
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Response to blue cat (Reply #31)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 10:14 PM

34. And "No, he wouldn't" is your opinion.

 

Some opinions are better informed than others.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:05 AM

52. Some opinions border on wishful thinking...not saying yours .

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:09 PM

70. Fact is, Bernie is extremely popular with large segments of the Democratic base.

 

Poll after poll bears this out. He has great favorables.

Then there are folks like me who dislike for Bernie as a person, prefer others (like Warren) as candidate, and would frankly prefer Bernie go away already. If it came down to him and Trump, I'd vote for Bernie in a heartbeat! I wouldn't even have to hold my nose to do it.

Apathy on our side helped propel Trump to victory in 2016. That's one thing he won't be able to count on in 2020.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #70)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:16 PM

71. I see no indication of that. I do think he is not popular with large segments of Democrats.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #71)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:26 PM

75. Did you see the Iowa poll over the weekend? Bernie finished a close second to Biden.

 

38% of Iowa Democrats consider Bernie their #1 or #2 choice. Biden, who I also feel would crush Trump in a GE, was the #1 or #2 choice with an astonishing 46% of Democratic voters.

Bernie isnt popular on DU and I can understand why. But overall he's quite popular with Democrats and Dem-leaning independents.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #75)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:37 PM

80. Polls are everywhere... but even if he wins Iowa...North Carolina will be the end.

 

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Response to John Fante (Reply #75)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:44 PM

85. Iowa is a rural white state

 

and polls this far out mean very little and mainly reflect name recognition. Biden and Bernie are nationally known whereas most of the other candidates are not.

At this same time in:

-2015 Jeb Bush and Scott Walker were way ahead in the polls and Trump was at 1%.
-2007 Obama was well behind Hillary.
-1991 Bill was in single digits well behind Jerry Brown. It was only until late '91/early '92 that Bill started to catch up and pull away.

Even if Bernie does well in IA and NH (which is no guarantee) it says nothing about how he'll do in more diverse and populous states, that he did terribly in against Hillary last time, especially when primaries (as opposed to caucuses) were held.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:12 AM

53. I also say "No he wouldn't"

 

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:35 PM

79. They also said George McGovern would handily beat Richard Nixon

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #79)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:57 PM

83. People ignored the polls, which showed Nixon consistently leading by a wide margin

 

So far this time, Trump is losing or tied with various potential Democrats, including Sanders. But since it is still early, my thinking right now is based on two factors:
1) It will take an unconventional candidate to beat Trump. Sanders certainly qualifies, but he is not the only one.
2) The nation's pendulum is swing back left, so more progressive candidates have an advantage over moderates for the first time since FDR.
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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 04:58 PM

18. Agree completely!!

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 05:16 PM

21. Bernie had major support among independents in 2016.

 

I see no reason why his support from independent voters wouldn't be as strong in 2018.

From April 2016:
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"Like Dean, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders aims to outflank his opponent from the left. But unlike Dean, Sanders does much better among independents than among Democrats. In New Hampshire, for instance, Sanders won Democrats by 4 percentage points while winning independents by nearly 50 percentage points, a split we’ve seen repeatedly since then."
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-sanders-does-better-with-independents/
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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:42 AM

43. Err, what?

 

Bernie had great support from independents in 2016. It was one of the main reasons some of us were pushing for him so hard, because he was clearly able to bring in large numbers of voters we've been struggling to get in recent years.
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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:35 AM

48. Not "among"... the LEAST imo.

 

1. Too many Democratic Party members, more than a few here, are 100% sour on him from 2016. Won't go into details and rehash it, but it's a fact. Had a few things gone differently in 2016, he might have had a real shot this time around. I don't believe so at all now. I know I am not supporting him, period.

2. Several candidates have the potential to flip Texas this cycle. Texas is the only state that on it's own, had it flipped in 2016 would have resulted in a different outcome. No other single state in the tRumpublicans camp can say that. BS as candidate completely takes Texas off the table. There is no way in hell that he will ever carry Texas.

3. Florida is the next best bet for us as a party. Already it's a hard, but narrowly winnable card. Just a reminder, BS only got 33% of the primary in 2016 to Hillary's 64%. Democratic Socialist doesn't mean much in California, New York, Oregon, Washington State, etc., but those it definitely will affect a Florida GE outcome. Hell, Democratic Socialist doesn't mean anything to me. I'd have no problem voting for someone who identifies that way. Many of the videos of him out there, and his letters that dare not be posted here? Rest assured, tRumpublicons won't have our same restraint. I don't see any path at all for him taking Florida.

4. The rest of the traditionally Red southern states? LOL, yeah right.

So, this would leave only 1 path.. he would HAVE to win both Ohio and PA, or AZ/WI/OH, or AZ/WI/PA. Should also note, of these potential paths, the ONLY state he carried in the 2016 primaries was Wisconsin.
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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:36 PM

63. I guess people aren't too concerned as to his "likeability" because he's a man....

 

....they're only concerned about "likeability" when it comes to women candidates.

Wonder why that is?
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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:47 PM

64. Bernie is a loser...

 

... and Trump is a winner if'n it ever got that far (which it won't.) But if it did (and it won't) Trump would TOTALLY defeat BS. There are simply no two ways about it.

By the way, we're all still waiting for him to release his full TAX RETURNS. Any word on that? What's the delay? If the tax returns were complete enough to submit to the IRS, then they are complete enough to release to the American voters. No "polishing" or "adjusting" or "clarifying" or "fixing-up" or "fine-tuning" is necessary.

Everyone should play by the same rules. No special favors for anyone! No exceptions.

The American people have the right to know whether or not anyone running to be the "Leader of the Free World" has properly paid his taxes. We have the right for an honest, forthcoming, and COMPLETE release of his FULL tax returns for a period of TEN years so that we can confirm where the candidate's money is coming from, and where the candidate is investing or saving (ie: domestic or off-shore) and what the candidate and his/her spouse claims as "deductibles" or other assets.

We need to see EVERY candidate's tax returns BEFORE the primaries... so that we'll know whether or not he or she is honest and has the integrity to be our party's nominee.

It's complete BS for any candidate to think they're entitled to DELAY and not release their tax returns until they win the nomination. All I'm saying is that the American voters deserve better than the peek-a-boo and hide-and-seek delays and excuses. It just looks suspicious when any candidate is hiding his (or her) tax returns.
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 03:59 PM

11. I'll be interested to see polling of head to head matchups.

 

I think that can be important data, for sure.
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 04:16 PM

15. Sure I totally trust a Sanders pollster

 

when he says his candidate is "very, very strong." It must mean he "really" is strong! (What the hell ELSE would he say?)

Like anyone would change their minds based on the strength of a candidate's pollster's faith in his candidate. (At least his professed faith in his candidate.)

I'm totally gonna vote for BERRRRNNIEEEEE! because of Ben Tuchin's gushing!
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 04:49 PM

17. The avenue of attack Bernie faces in a democratic primary

 

Is not where he is going to be attacked from in a General Election.
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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 05:00 PM

19. Correct!! Hopefully he will not be the candidate. The repukes will dig him such a hole to stand in

 

Pollster or no, IMHO mr sanders is far from the strongest candidate
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 05:10 PM

20. The playbook will largely remain the same regardless of the candidate

 

They just have 40 years of tapes on Bernie saying things that fit the narrative they are trying to sell.
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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:38 PM

24. Sanders' essays and the fate of Burlington college

 

will be in almost every story. Trump will derive a nickname for Sanders from those essays.
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 06:36 PM

23. The die-hard faithful will always think he is electable

 

The problem is ..... there are so few of them ..... alas

Here is something that is worth a spin ....

Since both Bernie and Trump have not released their taxes, Sanders cannot attack Trump on that point.

What Trump is hiding is soon going to be public. We will never know about Sanders.
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 08:11 PM

25. Sen. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt) isn't electable in my estimation

 

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 10:19 PM

35. I agree!!

 

I've been discussing this with my brother and our mentor uncle, and we think Bernie wasn't vetted enough last go round. The taxes, the deadbeat dad thing, the rape fantasy thing, the cold war Moscow "honeymoon," and so much more. He has no chance in the general. In fact, I think the's the least likely to win against Rump.

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia has compromat on him going back to his trip there, but even without that conspiracy theory, he really has some baggage the general population has never heard about.

Oh well.
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:52 AM

39. Sanders can't hold onto the Obama/Clinton coalition.

 

He won't do well with PoC and women once his "identity politics" comments and fixation with the white working class over other voting blocs becomes widely known.

He won't win Latinos when his 2007 immigration reform vote (and going on Lou Dobbs to talk about it) becomes widely known.

He won't win swing voters and moderates who dislike high taxes and will not vote for someone with a long history of far-left politics and praise for leftwing dictators (Castro, Noriega) and who honeymooned in the USSR and spoke glowingly of the country during the height of the cold war.

He also won't win over enough white working class votes to offset underperformance with the aforementioned groups. Trump solidly has these voters, who will simply vote for "the real thing" ie a populism that more strongly appeals to their racial resentments, instead of the generic class populism pitched by Sanders.
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Response to radius777 (Reply #39)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:04 AM

40. The article from the Daily Beast . . .

 

that you cited, When Bernie Sanders Thought Castro and the Sandinistas Could Teach America a Lesson is very interesting. As are the clips from the Lou Dobbs interview from 2007.

The electability question comes to the fore with these references because the Trump supporters would nail Sanders' hide to the wall with 'inconvenient' information just like this.

Hillary Clinton was far too gentle.

Just a few reminders why Senator Sanders will not be our nominee.

You can fool some of the people some of the time. But not all of the people all of the time.

This ain't 2016! Not even close.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:40 AM

41. And that's just the tip of the iceberg

 

There are numerous videos out there of Sanders saying weird pro-communist things like "bread lines are a good thing".


The fact is, Sanders stated position as a democratic socialist is actually the "moderate" incarnation of himself.

For much of his life he was hard leftist with dictatorial sympathies - Americans won't go for that.

He would lose in a landslide and take Dems down with him.
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Response to radius777 (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:12 AM

42. That "bread lines are a good thing" enrages me because who's most likely to be in those lines?

 

Women.
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Response to radius777 (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:45 AM

44. You might want to reconsider saying a Democratic presidential candidate has 'dictatorial sympathies'

 

This is a Democratic forum, not a conservative one. I'm asking you this politely, because I don't like alerting on people.
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Response to Kentonio (Reply #44)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:24 AM

47. The facts are the facts.

 

Sanders views should be thoroughly analyzed, like every other candidate, if he wants to hold the most powerful office in the world.

Sanders has a long and well documented history of apologism and outright praise for left-wing dictatorships such as Cuba, Nicaragua and the USSR - and voters ought to know what his values are.

He casts himself as a democratic socialist in the Euro/Nordic sense - but this clearly is not what his true worldview has been for much of his life.


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Response to radius777 (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:27 AM

57. Gee! Maybe

 

We should all move to Russia! Must be a wonderful place to live instead of this pathetic Country we live in!

Anyone care to join me?
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #57)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:21 PM

62. LOL!!

 

No thanks
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Response to radius777 (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:54 PM

67. Do you disagree with his comments?

 

Sanders' comments on the Soviet Union seem totally fine to me.

Sanders' comments on Castro and Cuba seem totally fine to me.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #67)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:20 PM

73. I don't think such comments will play well.

 

An no, I don't like the bread line comment.
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Response to Kentonio (Reply #44)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:23 PM

74. What would you call it?

 


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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:21 AM

56. Prediction, something I never do.:)

 

Biden is going to win the Primary!
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #56)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:34 PM

78. I hope you are right!

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #78)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:46 PM

81. So far

 

Joe strikes me as one who is the most real, down to earth one I have heard. The empathy he shows for the average Joe rings true the same way Sherrod Bronw does.

I am personally relieved Sherrod is staying here because with DeWine, Husted snd Gym Jordan we need all the help we can get.

Donny Deutsch likes Biden/ Beto. With Republicans comparing Beto to Obama that seems to be the Dream Team.
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #81)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:03 PM

84. I met Joe Biden a number of times when I worked for Pres. Obama's two campaigns. He is a great guy.

 

I also am one to call my senators...one time he answered his own phone. I live in Ohio so I agree with you about Sherrod Brown...we don't need another repuke in this state.
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:13 PM

65. There are a LOT of videos out there that will be issues around this time next year.

 

It will be interesting to see not only how and when they come out, but how Sanders addresses them.
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Response to radius777 (Reply #39)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:15 AM

54. As a Latina, I will never get over his vote on immigration reform. And to add insult to injury, the

 

way he tried to explain his vote as a vote "out of concern for immigrants" made it all worse. That clip with Lou Dobbs shows his true feelings...he shows a total disregard, I would ev en say contempt for immigrants.
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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:37 AM

59. I strongly do not believe that sanders is electable

 

I will support the nominee of the party but I doubt that sanders will be the nominee. There are far too many real democrats with long memories who will not forgive or forget.

I want an electable candidate and I do not believe that sanders is electable
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #59)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:55 PM

82. Agreed. nt

 

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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:09 PM

87. Electability is my main issue

 

I do not believe that sanders is electable

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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:08 AM

91. Bernie wrote the platform that all just about all the democratic candidates are running on

 

for 2020.

Except he was right on these issues decades ago and took massive amounts of crap for being a leader, ahead of his time

That's why he has my vote until he wins the primary and the white house or loses to another dem.

I KNOW he believes what he preaching, some of these others, not so much/remains to be seen.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #91)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:37 AM

92. Yeah, he wrote FDR's platform too.

 





Rarely does one see fealty to this extent. It's just as unappealing as when it comes from the other side.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #92)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:50 AM

93. .....

 

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Response to RobertDevereaux (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 04:52 PM

96. Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence

 




“A combined 58 percent of voters are either uncomfortable (37 percent) or have reservations about (21 percent) Bernie Sanders’ 2020 bid. For Elizabeth Warren, it’s a combined 53 percent. And for Kamala Harris and Beto O’Rourke, it’s 41 percent of voters expressing either reservations or discomfort.” Given that the overwhelming number of voters know who Sanders is, there is no excuse — as there is for other candidates — that they have insufficient information to decide whether to vote for him. Sanders is about as well known as former vice president Joe Biden, yet the poll shows that Biden’s comfortable/uncomfortable rating (48/48) clearly outpaces Sanders’s (37/58).....

Sanders’s age, the “socialist” moniker he embraces and his 2016 campaign problem with women are not going to change during the race. It’s unlikely his personality or his familiarity with foreign policy will improve, either. (The guy is 77, and if we have learned anything from Trump, it is that septuagenarians don’t change their personalities nor attend to habitual deficits in knowledge.) Oh, and on Sunday he again promised to release his tax returns, which he promised over a month ago would be “soon.”
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