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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:50 PM

 

I have to say one thing about Pete Buttigieg's appearance at SXSW

The very first question, to see a man and his husband treated as a normal thing at a Presidential townhall was breathtaking. I know for many that is a little thing overshadowed by his impressive performance but for a 51 year old gay man who remembers when our candidate wouldn't take money from gay organizations in the first election I could actually vote in, it was honestly touching. In those dark days of the 1980's, many of us wondered if we would live to see our 50's let alone see men marrying men and women marrying women. I doubt I will vote for him, but I am donating to see him on that debate stage. I wish he were a bit older and more experienced, that is my major knock on him and given what mess awaits our next President, it is disqualifying for me. But to see that opening, followed by a great performance, I never thought I would live to see the day.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:57 PM

1. I agree. It is a far cry from the 1980s, a scary time for a lot of gays. I am finding, after ...

 

rump and his ignorant ways, that age and experience don't count for crap. rump is in his 70s. You wouldn't know it. rump's experience? A joke, unless it is some tomfoolery at a massage establishment. To me now, being honest and having integrity means far far more. Especially after rump.
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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:01 PM

2. I like him alot

 

but I find it hard to get over 37 and mayor of a small city (Cary NC is bigger) with no other political experience. Now, unlike Trump, I think he would surround himself with great people and I also think he would listen to them. I might wind up voting for him in March of next year depending on who is or isn't viable by then.
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Response to dsc (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:08 PM

3. I think you're absolutely right. I listened to him several times and he does seem to have a ...

 

head on his shoulders and has a quick wit about him. He obviously has intelligence and his wits about him and this has impressed me to no end.

I'll admit, even though it is way too early, I'm leaning towards him actually. Like he said on a PBS interview, it's time for those his age to step up to the plate (my words) and take more responsibility for government, after all, they are going to have to live with it later on. Impressive. Running city government by the way isn't a cake walk (you know this of course), I was volunteer city manager of my city one time, and I was amazed at all of the things that go on into running a city. Kind of the funnel point for everything that goes on above at the state and/or federal level, descending down to the city government level. It can be overwhelming at times.
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Response to dsc (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:19 PM

4. The nation's politics are about to make a massive shift.

 

We will make either a sharp left or sharp right. To me that means vision means much more than experience. Buttigieg has vision, perhaps more than any other candidate. We may find ourselves happily swept up on it.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 01:33 PM

5. He would make a great VP or any member of the Cabinet. As my dearly departed show-biz mother would

 

say, "That guy is going places!"..
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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:32 PM

10. The current list of Democratic candidates

 

would make up the greatest Cabinet in history. Imagine Joe Biden as Secretary of State, for instance.
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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:41 PM

77. And he's young enough that he can be a major player

 

for years to come.

He will help change take root.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:21 PM

6. ...

 

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:23 PM

7. I remember during the Reagan administration ...

 

Reagan and his Press Secretary laughing and joking about people getting AIDS.

I suspect the GOP hasn't changed much.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 02:28 PM

8. It wasn't for a lack of effort on Jake Tappers part

 

Did you notice Tapper at least 3 times in his opening intro of Mayor Pete refer to his husband as if he was trying to create a controversy from the get go. But neither did the Mayor or the audience take the bait. Yes, very refreshing. We've come a long way baby (to steal a phrase from the 70's)

But kudos to Mayor Pete for a brilliant town hall!! VERY impressive!! He is definitely wicked smart!!
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Response to aeromanKC (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:32 PM

28. Yes, I notice that too. Pissed me off.

 

I generally like Tapper but that was disgusting.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:30 PM

9. So, age prejudice . . . .

 

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:40 PM

11. Experience isn't a postitive?

 

I sort of think that's something that helps one at a job, especially as the chief executive of a government organization as large as the U.S.

That's what the last two years have led me to believe, anyway.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:01 PM

17. He's smart enough to know he doesn't know it all.

 

And none other than President Barack Obama met with the 36-year-old Harvard grad, considering him one of the Democratic Party's potential nominees in the 2020 presidential election. He's obviously smart and experienced enough to choose a quality running mate and a quality cabinet.



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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:21 PM

26. Is a meeting with Obama an endorsement from Obama for POTUS?

 

I hadn't heard that.

Certainly HRC has been meeting with people - is that an edorsment as well?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:37 PM

29. No and I didn't post that, did I?

 

I think Obama has indicated he's not going to endorse anyone until the primaries play out.
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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:40 PM

32. You wrote this:

 

And none other than President Barack Obama met with the 36-year-old Harvard grad, considering him one of the Democratic Party's potential nominees in the 2020 presidential election.


So, yes you indicated that he indeed (considered him as) endorsed Pete as a Democratic 2020 POTUS candidate.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:48 PM

34. Please, nowhere in that sentence did I say Obama endorsed Buttigieg.

 



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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:52 PM

36. "considering him one of the Democratic Party's potential nominees in the 2020 presidential election"

 

Yes, when you write that Obama is "considering him one of the Democratic Party's potential nominees" by meeting with him is what you state makes him viable, so you are indeed using Obama's "consideration" as proof of viability.

Is that clearer?

I'm just telling you how your post is interpreted. Maybe you want to go back and edit it to make it more clear that you don't consider meeting with Obama to be evidence of Pete's electability.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:02 PM

40. Just read what I wrote. That makes it clear.

 

Again, I did not say Obama endorsed Buttigieg.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:31 AM

73. "considering him one of the Democratic Party's potential nominees in the 2020 presidential election.

 

That is what I read.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:24 AM

72. Not really seeing your point of view here

 

Apologize and move on
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Response to elias7 (Reply #72)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:31 AM

74. Apologize for what?

 

And to whom?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:59 PM

38. Why did you edit with (considered him as)? Now the sentence makes no sense at all!

 

Original: So, yes you indicated that he indeed endorsed Pete as a Democratic 2020 POTUS candidate.

Edited: So, yes you indicated that he indeed (considered him as) endorsed Pete as a Democratic 2020 POTUS candidate.


Regardless, your attempt at editing still doesn't show that I said Obama endorsed Buttigieg. Too bad for you that you couldn't edit my posting!


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Response to ehrnst (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:30 PM

20. Inexperience is the least of Trump's bad points,

 

And Buttigieg still has more government executive experience than Trump does.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:19 PM

25. But is Trump the metric now?

 

I hope not.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:40 PM

31. Not the metric, but he broke all the rules.

 

Whoever we run will need to be an unconventional candidate, who will make his or her own rules. Many of the people running are already rule breakers- we've got the oldest candidate ever, first woman of color, an avowed socialist, first climate change candidate, and the youngest candidate ever.

We are also at a unique time in our history, it's a time of major change. If they win, they will not be governing by the old rules either.

So I am looking for the candidate who has the best vision for what is coming, regardless of whether the fit the mold of past candidates or expectations
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:42 PM

33. But you wrote this:

 

Buttigieg still has more government executive experience than Trump does.


So yes, you're saying he clears the low, low, low bar that Trump set.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:52 PM

35. I did say that, it was something Buttigieg himself said

 

which I thought was a funny and smart way to defuse the issue. Which gave me some insight into how he will handle the mud that would be slung at him. No doubt Trump will call him "Little Pete," or something, and I think Buttigieg will have a snappy comeback to kill the nickname. Having snappy answers is itself an unconventional requirements but essential for running against Trump.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:01 PM

39. That's something that someone with less experience than one expects

 

would say is an advantage.

Good messaging.

However, at this point in history, I will take experience over youth, enthusiasm and humor.

Like I have said before, once he gets some capitol hill experience under his belt, and shows his ability to navigate the landmines there, he'll instill more confidence. Even being a two term Governor (while not the historically best training for the Oval Office) would show calm under fire.

Edited to add: I was blown away by John Edwards in 2003. He was magnetic and accessible. That, as history shows, is not enough. (No, I'm not saying that Pete has the flaws that Edwards had. I'm saying that we need more than a magnetic personality.)


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Response to ehrnst (Reply #39)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:19 PM

45. I'm not talking about just his personality and I wasn't impressed with Edwards.

 

And I'm also saying recent history is not a good guide to this race. This is an election of transformation. It's much more like 1980 or even 1860 than 2004. In both those cases, an unlikely candidate won and went on to make major changes in our politics. Regardless of what you are looking for, the outcome won't be a "return to normal," but a new way to move forward.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:24 PM

46. Unlikely doesn't equal exceptional, and unexperienced doesn't equal groundbreaking.

 

Trump showed us that. His fans made that false equivalency.

(and no, I'm not equating DT with PB, before that gets started...)



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:31 PM

49. You don't understand. I am calling him exceptional.

 

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:16 PM

41. Like any other characteristic, it can be a positive and/or a negative.

 

Age is good for experience, but tends to get stuck in its ways. That's why I think age is good in an advisory role and youth is good for leading a new way. Everything is not one or the other.
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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #41)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:26 PM

47. That sounds very much like experience isn't valuable in leadership. Just "advisory."

 

It sounds like an opinion that everything is "one or the other."

That sounds like an opinion that that Pelosi, with her vast experience, isn't leadership material, but rather "advisory material" to a younger, perhaps more male candidate.

Just an FYI.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:41 PM

50. No, it doesn't sound that way at all. FYI.

 

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 08:04 AM

58. Yes it does. (nt)

 

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:55 PM

51. if that's what it sounded like to you, maybe you're seeing yourself and not what I said.

 

I made another reply to further clarify for those who missed it.
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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #51)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 08:05 AM

59. This isn't a case of "I know you are but what am I?"

 

on my part....
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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:52 PM

15. Agephobia

 

Or using the age/experience card to disguise some other phobia?
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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:38 PM

21. I am gay

 

so you can stop with your insinuations. Yes, I think experience matters. If you want a prime example why, look at what Pelosi just did to Trump during the shutdown. She ran rings around him.
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Response to dsc (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:41 PM

23. And I wasn't replying to you. Think about it.

 

And a lot of "experienced" people got fooled and voted for the war in Iraq.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:39 PM

22. wanna a prime example of why experience matters

 

look at Pelosi running rings around Trump during the shutdown.
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Response to dsc (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:55 PM

24. We could play this game all day long.

 

RFK's first job after law school was Attorney General. And he ran rings around George Corley Wallace and convinced JFK and the war cabinet to ignore Nikita Khrushchev's second wire.

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:21 PM

52. Oh Lordy. RFK graduated from law school in 51 and became AG 10 years later

 

After a stint as a correspondent he had a string of highly publicized jobs as counsel to Senate committees and other jobs. His profile was in some ways higher than his brother.
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Response to grantcart (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:40 PM

53. The biggest knock on Robert F. Kennedy was his lack of experience.

 

The Senate Judiciary Committee gave Kennedy an easy ride, however, there were questions asked pointing to Kennedy's inexperience:

Senator Dirksen and Senator Roman L. Hruska, Republican of Nebraska, did bring out the relatively brief legal experience of Mr. Kennedy. But they did not press the point hard, and they repeatedly praised his character and ability.

Mr. Kennedy, who is 35 years old, looked even more youthful in the witness chair, his slim figure in repose and an occasional smile flashing. He was an assured, quiet witness, and he showed little emotion until he seemed to get the impression that Senator Hruska was challenging his qualifications.

The Senator brought out that Mr. Kennedy had never tried a suit before a judge or jury, had never chosen a jury or written a trial brief and had never negotiated a settlement.
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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 08:08 AM

60. Bobby was a Senator, personal POTUS advisor, and U.S. AG. That's cabinet level and Hill experience.

 

And we don't know how effective a POTUS he would have been, or if even if he would have won the election.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #60)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 08:56 PM

80. The discussion was NOT about his experience at the time he ran for POTUS.

 

It was about his experience when he was nominated for AG.

Ultimately, it resulted in 5 U.S. Code § 3110 (aka The Bobby Kennedy Law of 1967).


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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #80)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:03 AM

84. We ARE talking about Buttigieg's run for POTUS in this thread - see the OP

 

So I am comparing Bobby Kennedy's POTUS run.

Is that clearer?

When Buttigieg is nominated for AG, then RFK's experience for AG would be relevant.
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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 03:02 PM

79. None of what you cite has anything to do with your absurd statement that

 

RFK went directly from law school to AG.

He was a very high profile player in campaigns and as chief counsel to various Senate Campaigns. The fact that you didn't correct that absurd misstatement of a highly publicized decade of professional service but want to debate a completely different issue displays only that you are careless with the words you use.

RFK did not go from law school to the position of AG.
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Response to grantcart (Reply #79)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:03 PM

81. Lighten up!

 

The Nation blasted the appointment as “the greatest example of nepotism this land has ever seen,” while Newsweek called it a “travesty of justice.” Irresponsible, said a New York Times editorial: “It is simply not good enough to name a bright young political manager, no matter how bright or how young or how personally loyal, to a major post in government.” The President would shrug off criticism by joking, “I can’t see that it’s wrong to give him a little legal experience before he goes out to practice law.”
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Response to grantcart (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 08:11 AM

61. And he was a Senator and AG before he ran for POTUS. That's more experience that Pete.

 

And we don't know if he would have won the Election, or how effective a POTUS he would have been.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #61)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:15 AM

63. See this artIcle from BTRTN on how experience works out for us

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128721075
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:17 AM

64. So the solution is to go with candidates without much experience, as long as they are photogenic

 

and get people excited?

Like the GOP did with Sarah Palin?

How did that work out for them? And the rest of us?

And before we get started, no, I am not comparing Pete with Sarah Palin. I'm pointing out a hole in your - or shall we say the theory that BTRTN posits, which validates your feelings.

Also - you might benefit from watching "A Face in the Crowd," which is more upfront about it's authorship than an anonymous, snarky blog.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #64)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:32 AM

65. You keep making comparisons I did not make while

 

claiming you are not making such comparisons. Meanwhile, you are ignoring the arguments and comparisons that people actually are making.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #65)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:38 AM

66. No, not at all.

 

BTRTN is an anonymous, snarky political blog, which is not an indicator that it's reliable source of data and analysis, which is what makes the "arguments and comparisons" by people more credible.

Just because an anonymous blogger validates one's feelings, that doesn't make that blogger an "expert," on "how experience works out for us" - your exact words....

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #66)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:44 AM

67. That's not what I said.

 

Alexander the Great was 18 years old when he took over the world, but I am not comparing Buttigieg to him. And before you go there, I realize he didn't actually take over the entire world.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #67)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:46 AM

68. I have no idea what tangent this is.

 

But if your trusted source for political data and analysis is an anonymous snarky blog, then there is not much common ground for us to discuss politics.
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Response to ehrnst (Reply #68)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:49 AM

69. Good, now you know how I feel.

 

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #69)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:50 AM

70. Ok then. (nt)

 

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:42 PM

12. he's very impressive

 

and I think he will contribute a lot in the upcoming debates. With so many candidates, it will be interesting to see what develops.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:44 PM

13. I think with some capitol hill experience - or in the Cabinet under his belt

 

or at least two terms as Governor, and he'll have the chops.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:48 PM

14. I am more impressed with him every time I see him speak...

 

It may be that he is literally the Anti-Trump (young, smart, capable, polite, empathetic, accomplished on his own, a veteran, a scholar, executive experience), or that he is just a damn good candidate...but whatever the reason, he is my current favorite out of the field because he is unknown, young and unbeholden to a career's worth of IOU's.

It has always been a long shot candidacy, but if he gets enough exposure, momentum can be a very fickle thing...
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:54 PM

16. A serious candidate

 

Have been very impressed with Buttigieg, I think I can even pronounce his name. He really does well in the townhall format, and is definitely on the list for consideration...an abundance of good candidates to consider...
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Response to greblach (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:04 AM

62. Buddha-Judge

 

At first I thought it was "booty judge" which is horrible in the day and age of #metoo.
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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:08 AM

71. actually his twitter said boot-edge-edge

 

it was his husband's which said buddha-judge. Though said fast enough they are the same.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:10 PM

18. Mayor Pete Buttigieg on experience

 

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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:23 PM

19. It is a refreshing, wonderful thing to see a gay man seriously considered

 

for the office of President. I don't know how far he'll go this time, but I think he could make a great President. He really seems to care about service more than self-promotion -- the polar opposite of the slug we have in office now. If we don't get Pete Buttigieg, I would like to see someone with a lot of his qualities.
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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:26 PM

27. Amazing isn't it how refreshing it is

 

to hear someone speak the simple truth. Oh America, we have so lost out way! Our moral compass is so not working. Buttigieg's comments about Pence and the moral instructions to us in the Gospel from the Sermon on the Mount. Feed and cloth the poor. Help and befriend the immigrant.

Buttigieg has what we Buddhists call discriminating wisdom and infinite light. I hope gets the opportunity to be in a debate.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:40 PM

30. Wow! With all the thinly veiled attacks on Buttigieg he must be getting traction.

 

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:58 PM

42. I didn't veil anything

 

I flat out said, I don't think a 37 year old with no federal or statewide government experience is qualified to be President. If you want exhibit A for why I value experience, look at Nancy Pelosi who just took Trump to the cleaners. Want another example, look at McConnell and what he was able to do. Assuming McConnell doesn't lose in 2020, the next President will have to deal with a leader McConnell (one hopes minority leader). I don't want to see the reverse of what Pelosi did.
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Response to dsc (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:15 PM

44. Wasn't JFK 37?

 

Been so long ago I've forgotten.
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Response to dsc (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:30 PM

48. Is that experience or talent?

 

Look at how AOC, merely 29 years old, become the most talked about Congresswoman in the country. And if you saw her 5 minutes with Michael Cohen, did more to advance the investigation than anyone else, and not one second of the traditional grandstanding.
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Response to marylandblue (Reply #48)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 06:33 AM

55. Hell yeah it is

 

If you can look at Pelosi's running of the house contrasted with her two immediate predecessors and not see the talent that woman has I don't know what to say. I really don't. As for McConnell, with 51 seats and a caucus who hates Trump and fundamentally disagrees with him on both foreign policy and trade, plus two retirees who had no reason to go along, he had only one lost vote (health care where a combo of Trump and brain cancer cost him McCain's vote). I hate him with the passion of a million suns but underestimating his talent is a sin from which I don't think we can recover from.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:53 PM

37. We have so many great Dems running, and while I haven't yet decided who I will vote for....

 

One thing I can say about Mayor Pete is that I like him. I really really like him.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 07:04 PM

43. I had another thought about this. . . .

 

There is a place for age and experience and also for young, fresh ways of looking at and doing things. Isn't that one of those major crossroads in life. . . where you have to let go and let your kids make their own decisions and have faith in the way you raised them?
I think it's the same here. The older sages in the government have created the national environment that the next generation was raised in. At some point they have to start letting go and trusting the new generation. Eventually they will have to let go, better to slowly step back and advise them rather than trying to control them. You have to let go at some point. Go out gracefully and trusting the situation you left.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 05:52 AM

54. Buttigieg has a lot going for him and will

 

definitely be a force to reckon with during the primaries. We are in the midst of a time when his relative youthful age and inexperience (read outsider) will serve to benefit him among many potential voters. Add to that his demeanor, views and ideas and he has a real chance of having an impact.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:25 AM

56. I had no idea he was gay

 

But then again I don't know anything else about him either. Has there been polling made on how many would have qualms about voting for a male president because a "first gentleman" would be accompanying him to the white house? I did see polling somewhere on how many would have trouble voting for socialists of muslims, but I don't remember if gay was one of the categories.
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Response to zazfan (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:32 AM

57. There was a category LGBT and it did better than Muslims

 

worse than socialists and had a majority willing to vote for one.
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Response to zazfan (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:45 AM

76. And it shouldn't really matter, right?

 

It's 2019 and for those of us who are progressive, another person's sexual orientation shouldn't even be a concern on the checklist as we scrutinize candidates. I know it is an issue for a lot of Republicans, but they're narrow-minded.

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Response to True Dough (Reply #76)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 03:43 AM

82. I found the poll

 

If it's an accurate reflection of the electorate, it looks like your guy should have less of a problem than Bernie. Those 30% are probably hard-core republicans anyway. If over 50% of the country doesn't want to vote for you based on your sexual orientation, then it matters, whether you like it or not.

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Response to zazfan (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 08:27 AM

83. Thanks! I hadn't seen this before

 

Still disheartening that such significant proportions of Americans are totally reserved/very uncomfortable with these categories.

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Response to zazfan (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 08:34 PM

86. I think it would be interesting to see gay and lesbian separated in a poll like this

 

Unlike most groups, women have done better than men as pioneers in terms of federal and statewide electoral offices. The first out gay person elected (as opposed to reelected) was Tammi Baldwin. The first out person elected as governor was Kate Brown we now have Jared Polis as well. Only out Senators are Tammi Baldwin and Kristin Sinema. I can't think of any other demographic in which the women have taken so much of the pioneering role.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:36 AM

75. Experience

 

I agree about how we need someone who's been around the block a few times, given the mess they are going to find when they get in office. I'd like to see him be a senator first. But I can also see him wondering what kind of chance he'd have in Indiana of ever becoming a senator or governor. Sure like him, though.
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Response to emily333 (Reply #75)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 01:57 PM

78. He has EXECUTIVE experience, MOST important in the job he's seeking

 

and not something he'd get as a senator, and something many seem not to consider.
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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 08:25 PM

85. I found his performance to be quite convincing. Excellent. Engaging.

 

I look forward to hearing more from him.

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Response to dsc (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:12 PM

87. I watched the whole town hall and I thought he was amazing. He seemed whip-smart and very genuine.

 

I hope they let him on the debate stage.
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