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BS Disses Dems at Debate..
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democratic-debate-2019-live-updates-night-debates-underway/story?id=64629808
Has he read the DNC Platform and has he bothered to hear what the other 2020 Candidates are proposing!? Did he forget about the ACA that Passed! And, the Fascists have been trying for years to Delete from History?!
No one is "afraid", BS.. those are just your insulting words. So not impressed.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden


primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
leftieNanner
(15,824 posts)BS is not my choice this time.

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Cha
(306,835 posts)


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Thekaspervote
(35,177 posts)
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Cha
(306,835 posts)


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comradebillyboy
(10,610 posts)Party.

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Cha
(306,835 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,610 posts)

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Cha
(306,835 posts)



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True Blue American
(18,352 posts)

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Gothmog
(157,542 posts)
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flying_wahini
(8,045 posts)

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Hekate
(95,992 posts)
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George II
(67,782 posts)
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Gothmog
(157,542 posts)sanders pledge is not to be trusted

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Cha
(306,835 posts)for repubs!
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democratic-debate-2019-live-updates-night-debates-underway/story?id=64629808

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George II
(67,782 posts)....that just doubled down on the first half.
Bashing the Democrats and praising the republicans. Unbelievable!

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Cha
(306,835 posts)ACA was passed, DADA was overturned, Gay marriage was implemented, Dems Keep Fighting for Roe, improved the quality of air and water and kids lunches. Oh. And put a man on the moon!

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lapucelle
(19,699 posts)
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leftieNanner
(15,824 posts)He will always have an I after his name.

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we can do it
(12,818 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cab67
(3,256 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(19,699 posts)
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Cha
(306,835 posts)shaking with fury when I read that.

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lapucelle
(19,699 posts)That's a great soundbite for the Republicans in the GE.

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Cha
(306,835 posts)Thank You!

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sheshe2
(89,307 posts)He not only trashed Democrats by calling them fearful of big ideas ...He praised Republicans for embracing big ideas. UFB!

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radical noodle
(9,145 posts)Republicans ARE afraid of big ideas... they just want to keep us mired in the past.

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SergeStorms
(19,381 posts)He only likes to bash democrats. He's not going to get the democratic nomination, but I'd bet he runs as an independent in 2020, ensuring that Trump gets another four years and finishes destroying the U.S. That's just who BS is.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(9,145 posts)although he doesn't have to run as an independent to screw things up (as we all learned in another time).

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JI7
(91,270 posts)to get his so called big ideas passed.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)

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Gothmog
(157,542 posts)sanders has no legislative accomplishments in the real world

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UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)
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mcar
(43,843 posts)
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And also constantly trying to talk over everyone.

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we can do it
(12,818 posts)
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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)I feel the need to add context. Tapper and Bash repeatedly set up Ryan, Bullock, and especially Delaney to attack Sanders and Warren with Republican talking points on topics like raising middle class taxes for healthcare and giving healthcare and free college to undocumented immigrants and the green new deal. Sanders was responding to those attacks from the "center" which were actually from the right. When he said "Democrats afraid of big ideas" he was referring to those individuals on stage. That was my impression.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JoeOtterbein
(7,803 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(306,835 posts)"afraid of big ideas"? Just the ones on stage?
Because there are a lot of Dems who do Not want his "big idea" of M4all. And, they're not "afraid". They want something that will help all people without getting rid of ACA.

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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)... but if you watched the debate I think you would agree there were at least 2 or 3 democrats on the stage who made their entire case based on opposition to "big ideas" on almost every topic.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(89,307 posts)However Delaney's, bs does not all Democrats make.

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Cha
(306,835 posts)
Which repubs are afraid of Big Ideas.. they want to live in the past.. in the draconian age.


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sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)
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lapucelle
(19,699 posts)like The New Deal, the Space Program, the Voting Rights Act, The Great Society, Medicare, and the Affordable Care Act"?

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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)...for being democrats who were not acting like democrats... I don't know. I'm still so pissed at Bernie over 2016 I doubt I'll ever let it go... but I felt like he was passionate and genuine tonight.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(89,307 posts)
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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)I mean whats he going to say new? And he's pretty much a broken record in a lot of cases... but when Jake Tapper is talking about raising taxes and Dana Bash is talking about border decriminalization... framing the debate for the right... Bernie's righteous indignation was warranted thats all I'm saying.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(19,699 posts)that voters want answered.

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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Tough questions that voters want answered? Is that how you would characterize what Jake Tapper was doing tonight? I would call it sensationalizing politics in order to make it sport and provoke candidates to make soundbites. Do you think most voters want to know if undocumented immigrants should get healthcare? Is that what is somehow central to that debate? Come on.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(19,699 posts)That is tough (but obvious) question that the candidates should have been prepared for.

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sheshe2
(89,307 posts)
We have questions that need to be answered not a brush off. Indignant that they were asked.


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lapucelle
(19,699 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:50 PM - Edit history (1)
He said:
"I get a little bit tired of Democrats afraid of big ideas. Republicans are not afraid of big ideas."
He was talking about the parties.

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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)I need to rewatch I guess. If thats what he said then I take back my defense.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(19,699 posts)
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jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)That implies an essential quality that rather changes the meaning of the statement.

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lapucelle
(19,699 posts)So your argument is that BS only meant that some Democrats are afraid of big ideas, but because BS added "are" when he mentioned Republicans, he was actually saying that "not being afraid of big ideas" is an essential quality of Republicans?

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Democrats, afraid of big ideas...
Democrats ARE afraid of big ideas...
mean different things... or they can depending on context. As I originally responded I felt the context in this case was that Bernie was responding to specific democrats on that stage.
Maybe he still shouldn't have said it. Whatever, I can't believe I spent an hour defending Bernie fucking Sanders... but I still feel like if I have to pick a candidate from that stage tonight he would be in my top 5 but that isn't saying much I suppose given the bottom half.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(19,699 posts)He shouldn't have said it.

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Cha
(306,835 posts)Or something like that!

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True Blue American
(18,352 posts)Any big ideas,except tax cuts and killing regulations that keep us safe.
We all knew know big ideas seldom happen.
The last one was the ACA and it killed Democrats until people found out Republicans were hell bent on taking it away!

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Cha
(306,835 posts)a positive look on the Democratic Party!

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Gothmog
(157,542 posts)
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Cha
(306,835 posts)go about getting things DONE!
I like Biden!

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LakeArenal
(29,935 posts)Any ideas that work would be nice.
B.S. in so many ways.

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question everything
(49,495 posts)without the decency of being one?

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Vegas Roller
(704 posts)He doesn't care about the Democratic party. He is a classic "user" like a guest who insists on sleeping in the master bedroom and then complains about the mattress, pillows and food.

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dem4decades
(12,240 posts)
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Skid Rogue
(711 posts)If he's going to be so holier than thou, then just back away. Start your own party!

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Link to tweet
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Cha
(306,835 posts)happy with him, either.
Thank You!

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NYMinute
(3,256 posts)a "snake."

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mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)At least Sanders is telling the truth, and by telling the truth, maybe Dems will listen and learn to be as tough as he is when it comes to taking on the establishment.

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Cha
(306,835 posts)I want to post.
You can post about who you want to.

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watoos
(7,142 posts)why are Democrats on this stage using Republican talking points when discussing Medicare for All?
It was a debate, it can get heated.
IMO, the debate was set up to bring down Bernie and Warren.
I mean the moderator asked the panel, are Bernies's ideas too radical to beat Trump? Who else got attacked like that?

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)4 years ago. Do you think he helped get our Democratic candidate elected?

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silentEcho
(424 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
maryallen
(2,172 posts)I found that he was well-informed and very capable of making his points clear.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(157,542 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vercetti2021
(10,422 posts)2016 was a different thing. We have much better candidates now and he can't stand the limelight being on others instead of him. The great divider of course.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(91,270 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,913 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Princetonian
(1,501 posts)For example, how many times do people here complain about Congressional Democrats not going for impeachment? You know if the shoe was on the other foot Republicans would have gone to impeachment a long time ago.
Democrats are far more individualistic and independent ("herding cats" )and pragmatic so Bernie's lament is not going to ever happen. Without control of the House and Senate, nothing will happen with any progressive legislation.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(157,542 posts)
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myohmy2
(3,572 posts)...Bernie saying was republicans are willing to roll the dice on big shit they want while us Dems are all too often busy taking the high road, keeping our powder dry, playing our vest close to our cards...
...and I think many would agree that's the truth...
...I do...

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sheshe2
(89,307 posts)Fact is we KNOW that the Russians have infiltrated the Republican party... Top down. Of course they can roll the dice as they please. Putin has their back. The Mueller report made it clear the others that were helped to take out our true President.
76. what I heard...
...Bernie saying was republicans are willing to roll the dice on big shit they want while us Dems are all too often busy taking the high road, keeping our powder dry, playing our vest close to our cards...
...and I think many would agree that's the truth...
...I do...
I would prefer our Democrats take the high road over a foreign enemy. I am sure you do too. They are actually doing something about it. The investigations are real.

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Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)This could be it

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BootinUp
(49,291 posts)Because I feel constrained in giving my full opinion.

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Gothmog
(157,542 posts)
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UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)
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betsuni
(27,425 posts)green-oriented economy jobs.
If Hillary Clinton were president, that would be happening. It was a big important issue for her:
"When I launched my campaign for President in June 2015, I specifically mentioned Coal Country and the need to help distressed communities make the transition to a more sustainable economic future. It was a call I'd repeat in nearly every speech I gave, all over the country. I also got to work developing the detailed plan to invest $30 billion in revitalizing coal communities that I mentioned earlier. Consulting with national experts and local leaders, my team came up with great ideas for new incentives to attract jobs and industries to Apppalachia, improving infrastructure and broadband internet, training programs that would lead to real jobs instead of worthless certificates, and more support for schools and students. We also worked with the United Mine Workers of America union on steps to hold the coal companies accountable and guarantee health care and a secure retirement for miners and their families. ... In the end, Peabody Energy, one of the biggest coal companies, agreed to extend benefits for more than twelve thousand retired miners and their families. If I had won the election, I would have used the full power of the federal government to do even more."
Important point she makes: "Being part of a union is an important part of someone's personal identity. It helps shape the way you view the world and think about politics. When that's gone, it means a lot of people stop identifying primarily as workers -- and voting accordingly -- and start identifying and voting more as white, male, rural, or all of the above."
Makes my blood boil when Democrats are accused of ignoring the working class and hating unions. Talking points that help Republicans destroy America.

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Cha
(306,835 posts)History of the Dem Party, betsuni!
Specifically Hillary's Plans and Issues!
I'm right there with you.

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betsuni
(27,425 posts)I think this time people are tired of angry shouting and ready for plans.

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Cha
(306,835 posts)the "anger" got them.
I saw one tweet.. said Warren differentiated herself from BS by being Presidential.. he was just "angry".

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betsuni
(27,425 posts)
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,443 posts)

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emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)
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still_one
(97,284 posts)still do.
Some of those same people not only voted for Jill Stein, but encouraged others to do likewise in the general election.
Why would I trust anything that this candidate says when he does something like that?

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elocs
(23,197 posts)Clearly, from his own mouth, Sanders does not consider himself a Democrat but he is not above using the party to seek the presidency.
Well even though the BoBs may pout again and withhold their votes in the general, I am sure the Democratic Party is too smart to nominate Sanders and there are plenty of other choices.

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Gothmog
(157,542 posts)I agree with this analysis https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/31/dem-debate-gop-strategists-roundup-227491?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
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stonecutter357
(12,803 posts)
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redstatebluegirl
(12,544 posts)I got so tired of the finger pointing, yelling etc. He looked like an old uncle yelling at kids to get off his porch.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden