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To everyone complaining about Debate moderation... (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2019 OP
I wouldn't frame nearly everything as a RW LEADING question. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #1
You nailed it. watoos Jul 2019 #28
I would give them more time to respond. 50 Shades Of Blue Jul 2019 #2
The more complex the question, the more time they should allow. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #4
The more time they allow, the fewer candidates can be accomidated brooklynite Jul 2019 #23
A well planned debate would have assessed all the questions, prioritized them and categorized in hlthe2b Jul 2019 #24
ALLOW candidates to finish their sentences, in spite of 'time limits,' elleng Jul 2019 #3
It seemed as though Don Lemon was better about doing so. The other two, not so much. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #6
Yes, Don Lemon was much better about this. elleng Jul 2019 #9
Too little time ... billpolonsky Jul 2019 #5
this!! Peacetrain Jul 2019 #8
Yes elleng Jul 2019 #10
I really thought it was pretty good Mike 03 Jul 2019 #7
I thought is was much better than the first two debates Merlot Jul 2019 #12
YES!! N/T Mike 03 Jul 2019 #13
I too thought debate was good. The questions elicited the answers we need to hear. Hoyt Jul 2019 #11
My issue wasn't with moderation so much as Bettie Jul 2019 #14
Wouldn't such framing be intended to get right wingers to listen? Just listening starts thinking. ancianita Jul 2019 #15
When you start with a false premise, how, exactly is that helpful except to reinforce RW memes? hlthe2b Jul 2019 #16
I don't expect Democratic candidates to do anything BUT challenge the false premise. And then ancianita Jul 2019 #38
Interpretive dance underpants Jul 2019 #17
Not have millionaire media celebrities do the moderating melman Jul 2019 #18
When time runs out... cut the mic volume slowly, or play music that gradually increases in volume... NurseJackie Jul 2019 #19
folks need to stop whining qazplm135 Jul 2019 #20
How about you stop calling out other DUers who happen to have a different opinion than you. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #25
well don't know what to tell you qazplm135 Jul 2019 #29
Apparently, the NYMag shares the opinion of many of us. So, please DO contact THEM about "whining" hlthe2b Jul 2019 #26
nah qazplm135 Jul 2019 #30
When your opinions are ladened with insults, who exactly looks WEAK? Clue--It isn't the rest of us. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #31
insults? qazplm135 Jul 2019 #37
Less candidates DownriverDem Jul 2019 #21
By a more efficient vetting of the live audience. LanternWaste Jul 2019 #22
Beto should consider running for the Senate bdamomma Jul 2019 #27
It's a shame that the two incredible WOMEN candidates running are getting this treatment from Indygram Jul 2019 #42
Seems to be a go-to complaint for those whose candidate does poorly. Tipperary Jul 2019 #32
A count-down clock for each candidate's response, and their mic shuts off when it hits zero. Lisa0825 Jul 2019 #33
Good point customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #34
Limit the stage to 5 people. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #35
Bring back the League of Women Voters as mods, for gods' sake. Hekate Jul 2019 #36
LWV never moderated debates... brooklynite Jul 2019 #40
I know it's been awhile since Bush vs Gore, but iirc several things happened all at once... Hekate Jul 2019 #43
Debates are still sober...when you're down to 2-3 candidates brooklynite Jul 2019 #44
RW talking points.. MacDombles Jul 2019 #39
They could have not kept asking new questions to the same people over and over Indygram Jul 2019 #41
 

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
1. I wouldn't frame nearly everything as a RW LEADING question.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jul 2019

Our candidates should have been rejecting the premise for about half of them at least.

There is no good answer to the question "when did you stop beating your spouse," yet this is not that far from some of the incredibly biased and leading questions asked (especially Tapper).

It is almost as if he was concerned about who might be watching (and tweeting)...

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
28. You nailed it.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:51 PM
Jul 2019

The question, will Bernie's radical policies hurt Democrats chances of beating Trump.

I want to see if cnn attacks Biden like that, if it doesn't that tells me they want Biden to go up against Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,768 posts)
2. I would give them more time to respond.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:54 PM
Jul 2019

I felt stressed myself listening them trying to talk so fast, and from the interruptions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
4. The more complex the question, the more time they should allow.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
23. The more time they allow, the fewer candidates can be accomidated
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jul 2019

Unless you want the Party to arbitrarily decide up front who are “real candidates”, then you need to limit the answers or hold longeer events, which night not have as big an audience.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
24. A well planned debate would have assessed all the questions, prioritized them and categorized in
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:19 PM
Jul 2019

terms of complexity, with differing time allotment for the (fewer) most complex questions.

Having been involved in debate in high school and college, this approach is anything but unusual. Given the high stakes and $$ involved in these debates, I believe at least THAT amount of pre-thought and pre-planning would have been appropriate.

But, you know what? Wasting nearly a half-hour with the flag ceremony followed by the Star-Spangled Banner, however nice, was totally unnecessary and especially so when time is so critical to accommodate this many people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

elleng

(130,126 posts)
3. ALLOW candidates to finish their sentences, in spite of 'time limits,'
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:55 PM
Jul 2019

for one thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
6. It seemed as though Don Lemon was better about doing so. The other two, not so much.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:57 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

elleng

(130,126 posts)
9. Yes, Don Lemon was much better about this.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:58 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

billpolonsky

(270 posts)
5. Too little time ...
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jul 2019

...to answer with anything than talking points.

I hope this will be resolved in later debates...
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
7. I really thought it was pretty good
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:57 PM
Jul 2019

That part of the procedure where there are only fifteen seconds to respond was where it got tricky, especially in attempting to clarify something on a difficult issue like health care. It might have been better to expand that to thirty seconds. Some very good responses were stepped on by the well-meaning moderators. But I thought it was fair and that the questions were excellent. The moderators didn't make it about themselves, which I appreciated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
12. I thought is was much better than the first two debates
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jul 2019

More serious, less audience reaction, moderators handled the candidates better. No chuck todd talking more in one hour than the candidates in 2 hours.

Some of the questions were RW talking points, candidates need to expect and be ready for that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. I too thought debate was good. The questions elicited the answers we need to hear.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bettie

(15,995 posts)
14. My issue wasn't with moderation so much as
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:05 PM
Jul 2019

it was that every question was framed around right wing talking points.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
15. Wouldn't such framing be intended to get right wingers to listen? Just listening starts thinking.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jul 2019


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
16. When you start with a false premise, how, exactly is that helpful except to reinforce RW memes?
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jul 2019

BS finally had enough and rejected the premise, but imo, they should all have been doing so with the majority of Tapper's questions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
38. I don't expect Democratic candidates to do anything BUT challenge the false premise. And then
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jul 2019

reframe the question. If right wingers are listening, they'll get it.

When Bernie rejects the premise, he shows how he'll reject all the false premises of Trump and every other debate moderator.

It's a good lesson for listeners.

It's why the right wingers like Bernie and think he's honest. He knows how to convey reality without making listeners feel wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
18. Not have millionaire media celebrities do the moderating
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. When time runs out... cut the mic volume slowly, or play music that gradually increases in volume...
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jul 2019

When time runs out... cut the mic volume slowly, or play music that gradually increases in volume until they're drowned out (like they do with Oscar winners that go over their allotted time.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
20. folks need to stop whining
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jul 2019

ok it's right wing framing...great, it allows our folks to come up with great responses to right wing framing.

I don't understand why so many folks are afraid of these debates being anything other than how great democrats are and what we will do and not brook any criticism, questioning, fighting, attacks, or you know the things that toughen up our eventual nominee to address those things well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
25. How about you stop calling out other DUers who happen to have a different opinion than you.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jul 2019

Your subject line is very unnecessary (and rude).

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
29. well don't know what to tell you
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jul 2019

except I'm glad our candidates are getting tested in the fire vice some kumbaya-fest where they emerge into the GE ill prepared.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
26. Apparently, the NYMag shares the opinion of many of us. So, please DO contact THEM about "whining"
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
30. nah
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jul 2019

I'm sure there are folks who share your collective opinion.
I don't think that changes the reality that complaining about it isn't going to do squat, looks weak, and accomplishes nothing.
Our candidates, for the most part, are dealing with it and getting prepared to answer it for the GE.
so thank goodness they are made of strong stuff to deal directly instead of complain...and thank goodness they are getting prepared now vice going into the GE not ready.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
31. When your opinions are ladened with insults, who exactly looks WEAK? Clue--It isn't the rest of us.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:05 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
37. insults?
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:21 PM
Jul 2019

Nah, an opinion. An unfavorable one perhaps, but not an insult.

Sorry, but complaining about the media looks weak.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DownriverDem

(6,205 posts)
21. Less candidates
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jul 2019

for one thing. There are too many running. Many of them need to stay in the Senate so we have a chance to win the Senate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. By a more efficient vetting of the live audience.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bdamomma

(63,650 posts)
27. Beto should consider running for the Senate
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jul 2019

so should Buttigieg, they would be a big asset.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
42. It's a shame that the two incredible WOMEN candidates running are getting this treatment from
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:36 PM
Jul 2019

members of their own party.

MJ Hegar is a war hero, with a purple heart, wounded in action. She is BADASS. Rides a Harley Davidson, A pilot, she was shot down and strapped herself to the skids of a freaking helicopter, returning fire on the Taliban while being evacuated. There is also a black woman, Amanda Edwards, Harvard law graduate, running. Every single time a Democrat says they "wish Beto would run" are MINIMIZING these women. It must STOP. Beto is NOT running for Senate, period. He is running for president. People need to support his choice to run for whatever the hell he wants to run for or just STFU and support these Democratic women and stop harming their ability to get the attention and support they deserve.

/rant off

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Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
32. Seems to be a go-to complaint for those whose candidate does poorly.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:06 PM
Jul 2019

Whining will not win for those folks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Lisa0825

(14,487 posts)
33. A count-down clock for each candidate's response, and their mic shuts off when it hits zero.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
34. Good point
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:16 PM
Jul 2019

I don't recall anyone last night actually being penalized for going over their time. That's because they kept within the tolerance level of the moderators, who often only had to shut them down twice with "Senator, thank you, Senator" etc.

You could do it with a computerized system that shuts down a microphone after the allotted time, but that wouldn't be satisfactory, either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,855 posts)
35. Limit the stage to 5 people.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:17 PM
Jul 2019

In a 2 1/2 hour debate like last night, that would mean each set of five would get 75 minutes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hekate

(90,189 posts)
36. Bring back the League of Women Voters as mods, for gods' sake.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jul 2019

They were serious dignified people and not into spectacle for spectacle’s sake.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
40. LWV never moderated debates...
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:25 PM
Jul 2019

They have “MSM” people do it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
43. I know it's been awhile since Bush vs Gore, but iirc several things happened all at once...
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:10 PM
Jul 2019

...and while I may have conflated some of them, this is what I remember: for the first time ever, exit polls disagreed with the final result. So instead of questioning the final result, the MSM stopped doing exit polls and moved on.

Prior to that, I remember the televised debates as being different, and just a more sober enterprise on the part of moderators. I know LWV was involved somehow.

I guess my most urgent question is this: when did it become the job of the MSM to act as gatekeepers for candidates, and why do we let them continue?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
44. Debates are still sober...when you're down to 2-3 candidates
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 07:40 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MacDombles

(28 posts)
39. RW talking points..
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 03:47 PM
Jul 2019

are the only thing that the recipient of the DNC endorsement will get to deal with once the primaries start. The Troll in chief is very very good at just that, trolling. RW talking points will dominate the candidates life for a good while. Why not figure out who can stand up to these lines of questioning? It seems like we keep tweaking the format of these events to get the outcome we want rather than throw our gladiators to the wolves and let Darwinian principals pick our warrior.
I think we make it less of a spectacle, and more about content. Maybe we use social media and polling to find the biggest concerns of the majority of Americans today, build a set of questions, and let the candidates all have some time to see if they can come up with solutions that make sense rather than off the cuff talking points for the news to regurgitate later. I couldn't care less if candidate X has an answer for a world problem or even a plan immediately. I do care if they are smart enough to actually come up with a plan though. If we keep caving into creating food for this hungry desperate media and the Cheetroll to consume, then we deserve the diarrhea we are subjecting ourselves to today.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Indygram

(2,113 posts)
41. They could have not kept asking new questions to the same people over and over
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jul 2019

There was less interruption, which was good, but they kept going back to the same people over and over again and it was really obvious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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