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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:02 AM

 

I'm not the only one to see Biden as 'weak, fumbling'

"From a climate perspective, what’s worrying about Biden isn’t just his hodge-podge climate proposals and promise to return to an Obama-era status quo on decarbonization. It’s his consistently weak, fumbling performances that show how easy a target he’d be for Donald Trump to pick off in the general election. We should be grateful that other candidates went after Biden. Hopefully there’s more of that to come."

-Kate Aronoff: ‘Climate disaster Joe Biden failed to impress’

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/01/who-won-the-democrats-debate-our-panelists-verdict
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Reply I'm not the only one to see Biden as 'weak, fumbling' (Original post)
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:05 AM

1. Biden's staffers should work with him on slowing down.

 

I know he has overcome stuttering.
When he speaks slower, he doesn’t stumble or mumble.
When he rushes, he does.
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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:01 AM

76. Biden's staffers should work with him to help him retire

 

Write a book, go on a tour book, make speeches, enjoy the family, travel around the World, support your fellow Democrats. So much he can do besides run for President.

I fear that if those who support Biden think that Biden was mistreated last night, which he was not, they have not seen anything yet. I am convinced the republicans want Biden to be the nominee, he seems to be his best punching bag, and that "fear" the creature pretends to show about Biden is just bait for Democrats to elect him because the creature knows Biden is easy picking.

He fumbled big time last night and lets not forget that he was asked the first question and he immediately went after Harris, I guess he was holding some grudges from the first debate when Harris called him out.

Everyone, please listen to what Michael Moore had to say last night, he makes a lot of sense, and I am not a fan of Michael Moore but we have to accept that he was right the first time and he seems to be right this time as well.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #76)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:03 AM

78. Come on now. That's just mean and he might be our nominee.

 

I simply won’t disparage any of our candidates.
And I will fully support our nominee.
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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #78)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:12 AM

90. I will vote for Biden as well if he is the nominee but I think we have better candidates

 

And his best service to the Democratic party would be to step aside. I am not trying to be mean, I am expressing my thoughts on his candidacy, I am concerned that the republicans will crash him.

As I said, if he becomes the nominee he will have my vote, no doubt about it, but I prefer someone else, not only because I don't think he has what it takes to fight the creature, but I don't think his plan is progressive enough to move the country into a new era.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #90)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

91. Gotcha. I just want Trump out and not to weaken any Dem too much.

 

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Response to Perseus (Reply #90)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:39 AM

104. someone in the lead is not going to "step aside"

 

If that's what the others need for them to win, then you are only proving you know they can't.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #90)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:05 PM

132. I completely agree...

 

I think a lot of people are of the opinion that he's the "sure thing" against trump etc - based largely on name recognition and polling (circular logic).

He's certainly not progressive (at least compared to BS and EW) and I think without the "cover" of a zillion candidates he'll not be able to come across as a "strong" candidate than can withstand a direct assault and look (sorry) weak.

>>I am concerned that the republicans will crash him.
Agreed.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #76)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:36 AM

100. Michael Moore makes no sense!! He's as divisive as they come

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #100)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:25 PM

134. Moore

 

Has been left out on the counter to long...
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #100)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:57 PM

145. Yes thats why i dont put any stock in his opinion

 

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Response to Perseus (Reply #76)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:33 PM

136. Trump couldn't string together two coherent sentences

 

if his life depended on it. He's not doing a damn thing to Joe.
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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:37 PM

139. My one concern with Biden

 

I am kind of worried that Trump would be able to get under his skin in a debate. I am not worried Biden would completely lose it, but I am worried it could throw him off and make Biden prone to making mistakes.

Biden strikes me as someone who is naturally disposed to wearing his emotions on his sleeve. It can make you charismatic, but I think it also makes you susceptible to a bully like Trump if he can get to you.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:06 AM

2. I'm a supporter and I certainly hoped for a steadier performance from him.

 

It was an improvement. Maybe all (or most) of the rust will be off come September. It doesn't help when the moderators allow and encourage a sustained dogpile about issues (1970s bussing again, for real???) that have jack shit to do with beating Donald Trump or putting this country back on the right track.

Hopefully a smaller stage and more effective moderation with give us something substantive to talk about after September's debate. In the age of Trump, I'm a little sick of our petty, venal, polipop media latching on to dumb shit.

In the meantime Biden will still lead the polls and still raise millions and people will forget that he had to spend all night parrying cheapshots aimed more at his and Obama's record than the snarling clown in the Oval Office.
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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:13 AM

7. I agree

 

The moderators didn't let Biden talk about things that matter. When busing came up again I said F You to the TV. It was 50 years ago, nobody cares.

Biden did ok, but he needs to get his inspiring charisma back. He needs to talk about his life and tragedies. I had forgotten his first wife and daughter died.

He needs to talk about curing cancer and getting people hopeful.
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Response to metroins (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:19 AM

36. If he does that he'd be accused of milking tragedy

 

Joe can't win with these people.
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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:35 AM

19. Fending off attacks by Di Blasio, Booker, Harris, Castro tends to

 

wear a person down.

For the most part, Joe was in command of the facts on the issues placed in front of him. He did fine.
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Response to oasis (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:56 AM

25. He did "better". I wouldn't say "fine".

 

Yes, he had to fend off attacks from the other nine candidates as well as the three moderators (not to mention the hecklers in the audience), but whoever our nominee is will need this trial by fire practice before heading into any debate against Trump. Let's not forget that while Clinton was a clearly superior candidate in almost every way, Trump's ability to not only withstand or deflect her criticism, but turn it around on Clinton (admittedly in most cases through lies and distortions) helped Trump if not "win" those debates, at least not giving the impression that he's the complete moron many think him to be. If Joe is as incapable of withstanding this criticism, I would hate to see how he fares against Trump.

(For the record, Harris was one of my "losers" last night, so please don't mistake my preference as clouding my vision. When it comes down to it, I don't much care whether the Dems nominate Harris, Biden, or a five year old fruitcake. I'll be voting for our nominee in the general, period.)
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Response to wysimdnwyg (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:05 AM

29. A one-on-one debate against Trump will be quite different.

 

Joe will be able focus much better.
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Response to oasis (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:14 AM

33. I certainly hope so

 

I'll concede that the format, with ten candidates on stage and fire coming from every direction, is challenging. And no doubt Biden improved dramatically on his performance in the first debate. However, there were still several unforced errors (like not being able to get his own donation site correct). He was better, but still has a lot of room to improve.


Also something to consider, the job of President does not allow the holder to always focus in on one task or problem at a time. If Biden has difficulty multitasking now, does that give weight to concerns about his age?
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Response to wysimdnwyg (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:30 AM

39. As President, Biden will have scores of competent advisers and

 

assistants. He'll be quite comfortable in the role chief executive.
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Response to wysimdnwyg (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:08 AM

83. Well done...Me too, I will vote for Bozo the Clown if he is the Democratic nominee

 

The bar was so low for Biden that even his bad performance last night seems to be an improvement, but enough of his performance, that is not what bothers me about Biden, it is his vision for the future which is nothing but to keep the status quo. And as I have said many time, the republicans will eat him alive.

And just a reminder, he was the one who attacked first, he went after Harris when he had the privilege of being asked the 1st question.

I agree with you, I think Harris did very bad last night. Booker and Gabbard did the best. I am not a fan of Gabbard, but I have to recognize that she was eloquent, didn't miss a beat, and only once did she exceed her time, she was on message.
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Response to wysimdnwyg (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:10 AM

87. Just don't agree with you....

 

Trump's performance with Hillary during the debates had nothing to do with his performance.. His hate, lies and general ugliness..appealed to his supporters.. He had them in his pocket the day he rode down the escalator.. Nothing Hillary could have done to change the outcome..
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Response to busterbrown (Reply #87)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:35 AM

99. "His hate, lies and general ugliness..appealed to his supporters"

 

This is exactly what we can expect this time. I would argue that I believe our nominee CAN counter that during the debates with Trump, but it must be someone who is forceful enough to get their message through, while being respectful enough to show Trump's boorish behavior as what it is - lies and hate. It's not a terribly fine line, but I believe Hillary would have done better if she had been expecting it and planned appropriately. And I don't see how someone who is not capable of withstanding democratic talking points during the primary debates will suddenly be in a prime position to counter Trump should they get that far. (That's not a dig at Biden - it applies to all of the Dems.)

Of course you are free to disagree, and that's one of the many things that makes our party great. We can disagree and still work together towards a common goal.
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Response to oasis (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:40 AM

105. Yes indeed he was in command. Obviously an enviable position by most as was on full display

 

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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:19 AM

64. +1

 

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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:38 AM

102. Ahhh! A voice of sanity

 

The average voter does not pick a candidate based on debates!!
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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:42 AM

106. ditto

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:14 AM

9. I think his work looks a bit better than what Harris seems to have done.

 

Just mentioning since it’s one of your bigger concerns. Probably the weakest shot I’ve seen at Biden. I was kidding with my comment. I’m not that petty of a person.

Seems Biden did well. People with Harris as their choice are running around with their hair on fire.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:34 AM

18. don't kid yourself.

 

...Biden was defensive and didn't show his best side.

Frowny, squinting, and defensive.

Nice smear of Harris supporters.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:05 AM

56. Don't kid yourself.

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:15 AM

94. The squinting by Joe Biden was probably the lights, I have that problem also

 

I did read that is why he wears sunglasses all the time, I too wear sunglasses all of the time even at dusk.
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Response to katmondoo (Reply #94)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:03 PM

131. Thanks

 

I didn't think of that!
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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:49 AM

23. Oh BULL.. you have no idea what you're

 

talking about. Such insulting to be rude.
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Response to Cha (Reply #23)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:30 AM

40. You know, it's possible to defend your candidate without denying what is visibly true.

 

Why not try that, instead of characterizing every criticism of Biden as ignorant and impolite?
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Response to Demit (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:38 AM

46. All you do is insult.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:57 AM

52. I make observations. You don't like them.

 

Why not write a substantive response? It would require more intellectual rigor than knee-jerk invective does, but I'd have more respect for it. It would also be more interesting to read.
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Response to Demit (Reply #52)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:00 AM

53. yeah, I see what other peeps think of

 

your "observations". Ha!
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Response to Demit (Reply #52)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:11 AM

89. +1

 

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Response to Demit (Reply #52)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:43 AM

107. I wouldn't call what you make "observations." More like interpretations.

 

Judging a person's whole experience on that basis isn't a fair consideration.

We can chew on the meaning of his style endlessly.

IMO, content and context of his record overrides any facial behaviors in an onstage context.

Wait for the polls to get a bigger snapshot.

You're entitled to your opinions. That said, what matters is what the public saw, not what any one of us saw.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #118)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:58 AM

126. "Tight as a drum," "incredibly fake white shade is vanity," "he did them out of vanity" is

 

interpretation.

You add nothing to the OP's claim.

Your judgment of his appearance says way more about you than him.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #118)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:00 PM

128. He's not the only elderly man in this crowd to have had had their teeth veneered.

 

Does that make them as disqualifyingly 'vain' as well?
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Response to Demit (Reply #52)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:04 PM

148. Observations unsupported by any objective evidence are simply called opinions.

 

My seven year old niece made the observation that two plus two equals five.

"Why not write a substantive reponse" to her observation? It would be interesting to read as well...
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Response to Cha (Reply #46)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:03 PM

129. It sounds like you don't think that's appropriate behavior.

 

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Response to Demit (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:14 AM

92. +10000

 

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Response to Demit (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:53 AM

124. One wonders what you would have said about our candidate in 1932.

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:06 AM

30. Hrs going to be the nominee so I hope you get used to it.

 

Lol
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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:08 AM

82. Don't count your chickens...you know the rest. nt

 

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Response to zackymilly (Reply #82)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:05 PM

149. What a creative little bumper sticker people rely on.

 

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #149)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:12 PM

151. Here's another one: Don't put all your eggs...you know that one too. n/t

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:31 AM

41. That's your criticism of his candidacy? Criticizing his appearance? Better broadcast your assessment

 

so that his many endorsers and supporters will rethink their faith in him. Those of us who have followed his life of public service over decades, read his books, been inspired by his speeches, witnessed his superior qualifications on several fronts, just haven’t analyzed his hair, teeth, and face to read his character.

Once word gets out, polls showing him to be running ahead may change overnight. We need to become more petty and spiteful if we are to honestly evaluate Biden.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:33 AM

43. OMG! And I'll bet some of them have lost weight! Styled their hair!

 

Worn flattering colors! And high heels! Jewelry! Tailored suits! The VANITY!

Is this really what we’re going to do here?
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Response to nolabear (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:21 AM

66. No, that's what you're doing.

 

Flattering colors and all the rest of what you wrote are style choices, and don't have anything to do with authenticity. Authenticity is being comfortable in your own skin. When a Hollywood actor resorts to surgical procedures you understand it. An actor's livelihood depends on his looks. When a politician—especially one who boasts of authenticity—does it, you can't help but wonder why.
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Response to Demit (Reply #66)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:51 AM

123. You go ahead and wonder why. I never doubted that Joan Baez and David Harris were sincerely

 

anti-war just because I discovered they had both had some touch-ups before they went on television shows to promote their views.

We really don’t know which of our hero’s or villains has had what enhancements or corrections.

Actually, some who haven’t perhaps should. At least a good hair stylist.
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44. Well that lays it out nicely.

 



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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:56 AM

75. .

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:37 AM

101. he's not the only one

 

and if he hadn't done it you'd be talking about that.

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:45 AM

110. No, I wouldn't. Because I'd see that as him being comfortable in his own skin.

 

More in keeping with his much ballyhooed authenticity. I'd admire it.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:58 AM

127. And your point in reference to the bigger picture of defeating the dotard is??

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:29 AM

38. Not a "nice smear" of Biden.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:42 AM

50. Joe's no matinee idol, I'm so disappointed.

 

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Response to oasis (Reply #50)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:52 AM

51. Yeah.. good thing I wasn't basing my

 

choice for President based on looks.. I might have to rethink this whole thing.

Some getting their giggles going after Biden's looks.. contemptible.

I wouldn't even think about trying to smear anyone else's candidate like that. Who does that, anyway?

Mahalo, oasis!
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:43 AM

108. No, it isn't... and this OP will not change anyone's thinking with this kind of shallow approach

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:41 AM

48. Wow, what a shitty thing to say. n/t

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:23 AM

67. If we're going there,

 

he didn't have the advantage of false eyelashes, as some did.
But let's not go there.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:10 AM

88. The old adage is true

 

When one cannot win on policy or substance, attack age or looks.

Desperate measures ........
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:38 AM

120. so he was just angry then?

 

...he looked angry. I think that was his strategy, 'less polite' and all that malarkey.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:27 AM

97. Posted from twitter without comment

 


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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:04 AM

119. It's also a professional makeup job, in a studio w/pro lighting, a pro camera w/post-processing ...

 

Versus ... none of that, in a candid work-a-day photo.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:44 AM

109. Is this what we look for in a candidate? Who cares what he looks like?

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:09 AM

4. From the get-go, his "kid" comment only served to highlight his age.

 

Even "hit me with your best shot, kid" would have been better but "bring it on" would have been great. But "go easy" implies weakness and infirmity.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:12 AM

6. Yes - good point. nt

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:12 AM

60. No it isn't. and you're not a very

 

good advocate for your candidate.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:15 AM

10. I took it as a joke

 

That comment to me seemed innocent and made no impact on anything.

I think Harris even said as much in an interview afterwards.

Talking about that comment seems like a useless waste of time to me.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:17 AM

12. It is an innocent term long used with no connotation, just like "you guys" is used regionally

 

I think attempts to read more into this "Bidenism" are really ridiculous.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:36 AM

45. He often uses self-effacing humor. He's certainly bright enough to know his friendly kidding,

 

more of a “no hard feelings for last time,” was not going to stop her from attacking him.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:21 AM

14. Or it highlights

 

His experience.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:37 AM

20. How does "Go easy on me" highlight his experience?

 

By drawing attention to the bad bills he's championed over the years?
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:08 AM

57. Oh Demit.. spin it as bad as you can..

 

you still wind up with nothing.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:09 AM

85. Demit.. all you have are "lazy" insults.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:49 AM

114. Indeed! Insults do not move the dial!

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:41 PM

156. Thanks, Thekaspervote!

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:24 PM

152. That poster has left the building....

 



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:59 PM

155. A tribute -

 



White teeth...not just for the young anymore.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:43 PM

158. ..

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:35 PM

159. ...

 

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157. ..

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:08 AM

81. Of course

 

Really, saying go easy on me was meant to be taken seriously. Cha I can picture the twinkle in his eye when he said it.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:03 AM

77. You think he's 100% serious about that?

 

OK.
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Response to treestar (Reply #77)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:39 AM

103. Above you said his remark highlights his experience.

 

But now you say he was partly joking. How do you reconcile those two things? He was joking about his experience? He's otherwise very serious about his experience! I wonder which part he wants treated lightheartedly. Which part he wants people to go easy on.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:50 AM

115. Wow! Your lighthearted meter is obviously broken this morning...sorry!

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:58 PM

147. Would you like a snack for the trip home?

 

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Response to elocs (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:11 AM

58. So What? No one is trying to hide

 

his age.. Joe Biden has a lot of invaluable experience that he'll bring to the job.

That's one reason he's doing so well.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:21 AM

65. You use the word age like it's a bad thing

 

I haven't chosen my candidate yet, but age following the current situation is an asset. We will be recovering from someone who is 73 going on 4.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:09 AM

86. I'm glad he didn't say "whipper snapper". nt

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:46 AM

111. The kid comment as per harris words was not one of disrespect. So why do you need to be upset?

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:10 AM

5. What a horrible statement. Void of thought.

 

Truly ignorant.

Not really thoughts one would want to share with someone.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:13 AM

8. +1 Ugly damned ageism again. Trump will surely (gladly) pick up the descriptor, though

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:17 AM

11. It's also directed at some of the most respected...

 

Climate advocacy groups out there.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:20 AM

13. You've got to be kidding

 

Hairplug Himmler loses any debate anytime with anyone.

The frail old man meme is not working.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:08 AM

31. Agree the "frail old man" spin isn't working. But just to clarify,

 

the "Hairplug Himmler" mentioned is Trump, not a Democrat. (Just in case someone seriously misunderstood and got indignant... )
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:30 AM

98. haha thanks

 

didn't think of that. It is one of the Ferret's phrases for the Orange Dotard.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:24 AM

15. Others seeing him as fumbling

 

And I wasn't even looking for it - but there it is.

Biden repeatedly fumbled in response to basic challenges about his own positions, displaying more arrogance and bluster than competence or vision


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/01/joe-biden-noone-democratic-debate
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:40 AM

47. Same column gives extravagant praise to K. G. it is nothing but an ill-conceived hit piece. NT

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:16 AM

63. It's just a stupid hit job.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:25 AM

16. Yea ok

 

He will still be the front runner.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:47 AM

21. I was disappointed . It's just my opinion I know & he is still leading polls after debate We need to

 

win . I hope most ignore debates and mixups but I could not . His closing was mixed up . I read it was suppose to be Text JOIN @30330 and his team had to scramble in case people did decifer and then change to Joe ,if true ,a double mess up.

A Pete B supporter immediately snatched Joe30330.com where many debate watchers listening would go

His Snapchat is a weird . Sure young people are interested but the stereotypical pandering is not what is wanted imo. Sanders got a whole lot of young voters without trying to be hep

Twitter versions , many, joe30330 are having fun with him and I know older people here will say Who cares? But social media now is important as a tool even if older folks do not use it . It could bring him some bad public eye if he doesn’t get better
Tools take some thought and skill
You can use a hammer to pound in a nail or injure your thumb

I want to support him but I was like this last night

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:12 AM

61. Can someone explain this to me? I missed the debates and have no idea what this is about.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:30 AM

69. You missed nothing

 

There were a few good moments. Why anyone would enter that fray is beyond me.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:16 AM

96. Lol, thanks.

 

I truly cannot stand to watch Dems beating each other up. It is bad enough here.

I finally had a friend explain the 330 thing to me.
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Response to Tipperary (Reply #61)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:35 PM

137. Here

 

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-30330-website-pete-buttigieg-1452043

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:49 AM

22. one thing has been established....

 

.... in this thread. The hate is palpable.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:01 AM

27. Yeah..

 

they don't like Biden.. their loss.

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:33 AM

70. people are actually making fun....

 

....of a former senator and former vice president who is much admired and respected not only in this country but around the world for being well-groomed and caring about his appearance. That's something that I would expect from a trump supporter but disappointed and dismayed to hear it from any Democrat. They may not have found the bottom yet, but they are getting close to it.



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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:53 AM

116. Agree! So petty

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:41 PM

154. Yes. It's like " how low will they go?" I don't think we have seen the bottom yet.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:51 AM

24. Who cares about Aronoff? Voters like him for more than debate soundbites or one-issue pique.

 

I want to beat Chump and Joe is the only one on that stage who can pull it off and step into the Oval Office knowing exactly what to do.

That's why he is ahead in every single poll that matters and will continue to be ahead.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 07:57 AM

26. I always look at previous articles and opinion pieces by the authors

 

I always look at previous articles and opinion pieces by the author. This person writes for the Intercept, and has written unfavorably about Biden and Obama in the past. When an opinion writer comes in with obvious previous negative thoughts I pretty much discount whatever they have to say.
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Response to OKNancy (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:17 AM

34. +1,000,000

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:43 PM

140. I do the same. Important to know these op-Ed writers biases.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:36 PM

153. Exactly.

 

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:04 AM

28. Probably not

 

but I'm not the only one who thought he handled himself pretty well considering the other nine focused on him more than they did on Trump.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:12 AM

32. Weak, fumbling, failed , sounds like puke adjectives.

 

We are Democrats.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:46 AM

122. Well, some of us are.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:44 PM

141. Yep, echoes Trump's "Sleepy Joe" attack.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:18 AM

35. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:23 AM

37. I'm voting for ANY democrat.

 

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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:32 AM

42. Biden is our most qualified candidate with huge charisma.

 

NONE of the other candidates come close to Joe Biden's appeal to the greatest number of voters. The other candidates can't sell themselves on their own merits, so they must resort to attacking Joe Biden, the established front runner, in an attempt to save their own failing campaigns. Joe Biden will be the victor and the Democratic candidate in 2020.
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:41 AM

49. +1000

 

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Joe Biden

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:03 AM

55. I say BS.

 

Ridiculous.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:12 AM

59. He did fine

 

In fact I thought Kamala was the one who looked uncomfortable. Like she wanted to break something.

Please everyone remember every single one of those candidates is order of magnitudes better than the traitor in the WH.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:45 AM

71. let's go Joe !

 

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:48 AM

72. You're not the only one

 

the rest of BS supporters are with you.

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:49 AM

73. Wellll....

 

VP Biden won.. by sheer endurance and ability to come back..
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:51 AM

74. I found a number of his answers ending not smoothly.

 

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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #74)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:05 AM

80. He needs on work on that. He often awkwardly stops speaking.

 

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Elizabeth Warren

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #80)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:46 PM

142. He stopped speaking when his time was up.

 

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:04 AM

79. Polls show that it's not about what Aronoff sees, whether we agree or disagree with her. Polls show

 

what the public sees.

There's nothing that Trump could bring up about Biden's past that Biden couldn't match with truckloads of dirt on Trump.

ANY of our candidates could do the same. Any single one.

Trump doesn't have enough policy knowledge of climate change in his whole fatass carcass to pick off ANY of our candidates in a general election. Just how 45 talks about climate change is more weak and fumbling than any 80 year-old in their sleep.

For Aronoff to give the dirtier fighter more power and win potential, when only 19.5% of the country voted for this ratfucker, is to be a Trump chump.

The world has made it clear that it doesn't want another dirty fighter president from the U.S.

"Weak and fumbling." Can you give examples? Quotes, not interpretations?

The clearest way for you to see Biden is through the primary voting outcomes. It's not about what we see. This primary season is about what the voting public sees.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:09 AM

84. Biden is dangerous

 

He doesn’t have the presence to go toe to toe with trump. If he is the nominee, we will lose.

I readily admit that Biden is far too conservative for my taste, but that’s not the real problem. The real problem is that trump will pummel him and he won’t be able to fight back effectively.

I will vote — enthusiastically — for the eventual nominee, but I desperately hope that the nominee will be someone who can win.
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Response to AverageJoe (Reply #84)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:15 AM

93. I agree. Trump has nothing to lose. Biden will be too polite. I think Harris can handle Trump. nt

 

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Response to zackymilly (Reply #93)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:55 AM

117. Biden was and will continue to be polite to other Dems...not dotard..no way!

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #117)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:09 PM

150. I agree...

 

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:16 AM

95. Yes. The beauty about the internet is that you can generally find someone to agree with you.

 

...it doesn't make you right, though.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:48 AM

112. Kate Aronoff writes for The Intercept

 

.. just saying.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:48 AM

113. EVERY candidate's climate proposals are "hodge-podge" - not a single one has a comprehensive...

 

....climate proposal with details on how to fund it and how to implement it. Even the advocates for the "green new deal" admit that it won't even be written until at least early next year.

Of course Biden is leading in the polls so his is characterized as "hodge-podge".
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:44 AM

121. Until Biden became VP, he was never considered presidential material. Not even remotely.

 

He's always been fumbling.
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Kamala Harris

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:56 AM

125. .

 






















Nope, you aren't the only one. Seems the Paris Hilton of political discourse agrees with you.

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:03 PM

130. What was with the "Go to Joe 30330" in his closing statement?

 

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #130)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:49 PM

143. That's the Biden campaign's text acct: 303-30

 

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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:07 PM

133. I would Have Agreed With This Narrative Until About 5 Minutes Ago.

 

But I'm listening to (not watching) his presser now and he sounds like regular Joe Biden to me. He sounds a hell of a lot stronger and less fumbling than our current POTUS.

Sorry Joe.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:28 PM

135. My biggest Biden fear is that he'd wither in the debate with Trump.

 

His delivery is often somewhat rambling connections of sentence fragments. So I agree with the OP. That said, he was better last night than other times I've seen him recently.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:35 PM

138. I think Joe has it down in so far as what has to happen.

 

When he called it down on Trump , he spoke to and for the American people, (everybody) . (And we are not going to leave it to you Trump.) In order to reach the soul of the nation ,as he says he wants to, it's all about everybody. If he can reach that far and down into it ,regards the soul of America, if the message resonates, the republican base will divide .
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Thu Aug 1, 2019, 12:55 PM

144. When I think about a Biden-Trump general election match up,

 

I can't help but think it will be like seeing two septuagenarians rolling around on the floor punching each other. And, yes, this happened in a poll I was working one election. It wasn't pretty.
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Response to bloom (Original post)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 01:40 PM

146. I Support Sanders But Know That Warren Would Be Rock-Solid On Climate, Too

 

Except for some Republicans willing to sell their soul to seize power, mothers tend to make the best climate advocates. I have no doubt that the Bay State's senior senator would be just that good.
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