Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumTulsi Gabbard torches Karmala Harris
Did not watch debates but read about them and viewed video clips.
I am a California native and voting life long voting democratic party member. I voted for Harris as AG and as Senator but do not support Harris for POTUS and voted for her in the past only as she was the lead Democratic candidate,
Consider Gabbard a non-contender and perhaps a loose cannon fringe candidate but have to say Gabbard has presence and a quick mind. "Torched" is a good description of that debate interchange.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bigtree
(85,920 posts)Politifact:
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii on Sen. Kamala Harris time as a prosecutor: Harris "put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana."
This claim about Harris putting "over 1,500 people in jail" for pot violations is cited in a February article by the Free Beacon, a conservative online news website. The article says "at least 1,560 people were sent to state prisons for marijuana-related offenses between 2011 and 2016," when Harris was California attorney general. It says the data comes from reports from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.
PolitiFact could not immediately access that data during the debate. But we do know that as attorney general, Harris would not have personally prosecuted marijuana cases. Those cases would have been handled by lower-level state attorneys.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jul/31/fact-checking-democratic-debate-detroit-night-two/
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)I am not a supporter of Gabbard but also do not support Harris.
Interested to hear about just who are the money and power supporters behind Gabbard. Please elaborate.
I consider Gabbard a fringe candidate and cannot see a path to where she would have my support.
That said Gabbard has presence and comes off as intelligent and quick minded.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bigtree
(85,920 posts)...
Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1
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SFPD Lab Tech Deborah Madden allegedly stole cocaine
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Crime Lab was ran by PD not Kamala's office.
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Kamala without being ordered to dropped over 1,500 cases (far above the cases that were handled by Madden)
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Kamala implemented reforms in response
Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1
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Kamala did NOT fight to keep prisoners for cheap labor
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DAG Patrick McKinney unsuccessfully argued the case without Kamala's knowledge
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Kamala was not personally involved in the 10s of 1000s of filings by all of the 1,000 attorneys per year
Source: (link: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adamserwer/some-lawyers-just-want-to-see-the-world-burn) buzzfeednews.com/article/adamse
Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1
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Recreational marijuana was not legalized until 2018 (ballot measure passed 2016), so marijuana possession was illegal the entire time Kamala was DA/AG
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Kamala CREATED the 1st of it's kind Back On Track program to provide job/education/housing assistance to drug offenders
Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1
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Kamala did NOT "withhold evidence to exonerate an innocent man on death row"
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Kamala had NO involvement with Kevin Cooper as he had already exhausted all of his appeals BEFORE she was AG
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Cooper needed clemency which was denied by Schwarzenegger & punted by Gov Jerry Brown
Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1
Additional contemporaneous sources:
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SF Lab cases dismissed
(link: https://www.mercurynews.com/2010/04/01/1000-san-francisco-drug-cases-to-be-dismissed-in-lab-scandal/) mercurynews.com/2010/04/01/100
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SF Crime Lab Cases Dismissed/Reforms
abc7news.com/archive/7403326/) abc7news.com/archive/740332
Back on Track
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CA marijuana legalization (link: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/us/legal-pot-california.html) nytimes.com/2018/01/01/us/
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Cooper
(link: https://www.dailybulletin.com/2016/04/17/kevin-cooper-timeline-of-events/) dailybulletin.com/2016/04/17/kev
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunsetDreams2
(268 posts)Marijuana Legalization Goes into Effect in 2018
After the approval of the Marijuana Act in 2016, weed will be legal in the state of California starting Jan. 1, 2018.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Timeline-Marijuana-Legalization-in-California-464268753.html%3famp=y
If it wasnt legal until 2018, attacking Harris for following state law between 2011 and 2016 is utter nonsense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)That didnt have to happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)Also, much of this hasbeen known since the senate race...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Torched, my ass.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)If you read the article provided by BigTree, Gabbard did not "lie" but interpreted data in a way unfavorable to Harris. Of course Harris did not personally prosecute 1500 plus marijuana convictions but as AG was the ultimate California LE officer during their prosecution and conviction.
My right to not support Harris and have a low opinion of her (not specifically because of pot).
Did not post the clip because I support Gabbard (at all) but because there has been discussion about the debate interchange, I did not see a video clip on DU, searched the internet, and posted the clip to DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)How is that working for you calling folks who do not agree with you trolls for Putin?
Does not help matters at all, IMO counter productive.
I posted a video of an item people are discussing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)identifying trolly bullshit works a lot better than letting it go unaddressed. I think we learned that in 2016, at least some of us.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Qutzupalotl
(14,230 posts)which happen to align with Putins aims. The bizarre trip to appease Assad while were arming rebels undercut Obama. Now shes getting endorsed by Matt Gaetz, boosted by RT, and uses their framing to attack a fellow democrat.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,461 posts)I consider her a DINO, a right wing plant, imo.
I pay NO ATTENTION to her and I consider her attacks as doing Putins troll work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)is running for POTUS as a Democrat.
Most folks that get called Putin's trolls are not Putin's trolls but folks that disagree.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Qutzupalotl
(14,230 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
womanofthehills
(8,584 posts)Tulsi Gabbard :
"Mueller reported Trump did not collude with Russia to influence our elections. Now we must put aside partisan interests, move forward ..........."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)I do not support Gabbard and consider her a fringe candidate in general and a non-starter personally.
That said, neither do I support Kamala Harris for POTUS who I have voted for as Senator and CA AG and may in the future as the Democratic POTUS candidate.
Also that said, just how is the vaunted Mueller investigation working out for getting rid of Trump?
Just what about that?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bigtree
(85,920 posts)...that's a rare sight on DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)DU (including myself) is disappointed by the outcome of the process and to a lesser degree by the findings of the report and by the willingness of Mueller to be forceful in his conclusion in damning Trump and the GOP enablers. The result is much the product of AG Barr and how the report and process has been handled by media. But if one goes back much hope was held at DU as to the expected Mueller outcome. I expected to be disappointed and experience something similar to Fitzmas. The impact of the Mueller Report is hopefully still gaining momentum.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bigtree
(85,920 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:49 AM - Edit history (1)
...you mocked it.
Not something I've seen on DU. May well be disappointed in the outcome, but calling his investigation "vaunted," or praised or boasted about, is just taunting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I consider that both irrational and without substance... you provide the board with little more than bumper stinkers and t-shirt slogans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)I posted a video of an interchange in the debate that is a topic of conversation and I could not find the video on DU.
I support neither Gabbard or for that matter Harris.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)"Did not post the clip because I support Gabbard (at all) but because there has been discussion about the debate interchange, I did not see a video clip on DU, searched the internet, and posted the clip to DU."
Interesting DU response to my posting the video clip for those (like myself) did not watch the debate itself but have interest in what occurred.
I do not support Gabbard at all and do not consider Gabbard a viable POTUS candidate.
Also do not support Harris who is a viable candidate but not one I want to support as POTUS.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)But perhaps Im being old fashioned.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PufPuf23
(8,689 posts)"Did not watch debates but read about them and viewed video clips.
I am a California native and voting life long voting Democratic party member. I voted for Harris as AG and as Senator but do not support Harris for POTUS and voted for her in the past only as she was the lead Democratic candidate,
Consider Gabbard a non-contender and perhaps a loose cannon fringe candidate but have to say Gabbard has presence and a quick mind. "Torched" is a good description of that debate interchange."
I clearly stated I am not a Gabbard supporter.
Pretty creepy that I need to keep explaining the OP.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dflprincess
(28,057 posts)Vlad appears to have the troll farms working overtime praising her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunsetDreams2
(268 posts)<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a clear example of Russian disinformation happening in real time. A hashtag created & promoted by Russia Today against Kamala Harris & supporting Rep. Gabbard, who is an apologist for another Putin puppet, Bashar Assad. This is a sign that Harris is seen as a threat. <a href="https://t.co/1aQi4WMISb">https://t.co/1aQi4WMISb</a></p> Richard Stengel (@stengel) <a href="
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?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)According to Mercury News: https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-joe-biden-fact-check/
This especially turns my stomach:
Death row appeals
Tulsi Gabbard: She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. In the case of those who were on death row, innocent people, you actually blocked evidence from being revealed that would have freed them until you were forced to do so.
The facts: Harriss attorney general office did block DNA testing that some legal observers believe could have helped overturn the murder conviction of a death row inmate who has insisted he was framed.
Harris opposed efforts by lawyers for Kevin Cooper, a death row inmate from San Bernardino County, to get new DNA testing. In 2018, following a New York Times investigation into the case, Harris said she was wrong and called for further testing.
No wonder Harris wants to only talk about Trump all of a sudden!
Gabbard was also correct that Harris "fought to keep a cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)she also worked against laws that would punish bad cops
she aint the one peops
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Harris' history needs serious vetting. Did you know about this?
"Clergy Abuse Survivors Question Kamala Harris Record"
'Harris never responded to him when he wrote to tell her that a priest who had molested him was still in ministry at a local Catholic cathedral. And, he says, she didnt reply five years later when he wrote again, urging her to release records on accused clergy to help other alleged victims who were filing lawsuits.
She did nothing, said Piscitelli, today the Northern California spokesman for SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. Survivors of clergy abuse and their attorneys say that Harris record on fighting sex abuse within the Catholic Church is relevant as the U.S. senator from California campaigns for the presidency... They complain that Harris was consistently silent on the Catholic Churchs abuse scandal first as district attorney in San Francisco and later as Californias attorney general.
Catholics make up large voting blocs in the city and the state, accounting for roughly a quarter of the population in both San Franciscos metro area and across California.
Theres a potential political risk if you move aggressively against the church, said Michael Meadows, a Bay Area attorney who has represented clergy abuse victims. I just dont think she was willing to take it.'
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/26/clergy-abuse-survivors-question-sen-kamala-harris-record/
Is this Harris' idea of social justice? Harris needs to explain to voters why she made these decisions and why. Since she portrays herself as a tough prosecutor, it is relevant to know about Harris' history as DA and AG.
"she aint the one peops"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,631 posts)I had not seen that
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)Sure would vote for her in a general but not a primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(85,920 posts)...and the latest DNA testing was ordered over a year ago.
So tell me all about this DNA evidence that will free Cooper. Doesn't look like it panned out for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,355 posts)It was a death penalty case too. There is more also. It is out there thanks to google.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PDittie
(8,322 posts)she is Secretary of Defense in a Sanders Administration.
(Sent to 'Greatest' for "Karmala" alone)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)... in various mainstream impartial sources.
Killing the messenger doesn't invalidate the message.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Tarc
(10,472 posts)Gabbard's poll bump is a product of of RT and Sputnik.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden