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PufPuf23

(8,689 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:18 PM Aug 2019

Tulsi Gabbard torches Karmala Harris



Did not watch debates but read about them and viewed video clips.

I am a California native and voting life long voting democratic party member. I voted for Harris as AG and as Senator but do not support Harris for POTUS and voted for her in the past only as she was the lead Democratic candidate,

Consider Gabbard a non-contender and perhaps a loose cannon fringe candidate but have to say Gabbard has presence and a quick mind. "Torched" is a good description of that debate interchange.
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Tulsi Gabbard torches Karmala Harris (Original Post) PufPuf23 Aug 2019 OP
she used lie pushed by her right wing supporters to launch the attack you're so proud of bigtree Aug 2019 #1
Who said was proud of the attack on Harris? PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #3
this thread is a bulletin board of already debunked lies bigtree Aug 2019 #26
California didn't legalize weed for recreation until 2018 SunsetDreams2 Aug 2019 #4
She was agaonst legalization. And people were prosecuted. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #33
Try looking at other sources...also go bback and see what was wtitten while she was DA and AG. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #34
You mean Tulsi Gabbard LIED about Kamala Harris. Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2019 #2
OP was the title of the clip, not my words. PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #5
Gabbard is in Putin's pocket. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2019 #6
I am by no means a supporter of Gabbard. She is a non-starter for me. PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #10
For my part... tonedevil Aug 2019 #12
There is a nexus around her words and actions Qutzupalotl Aug 2019 #17
I do not consider Gabbard a Democrat by any means. apcalc Aug 2019 #7
Tulsi Gabbard is a Democratic party member, holds office as a Democrat, and PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #11
Yet gets boosted by Russian-aligned RW groups Qutzupalotl Aug 2019 #15
So, you are fine with Gabbard saying the same thing Barr said about the Mueller investigation? womanofthehills Aug 2019 #21
You obviously have not read my posts in this thread. PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #22
so you're mocking the Mueller investigation? bigtree Aug 2019 #24
I am not mocking the Mueller investigation, it is what it is. PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #25
"vaunted" bigtree Aug 2019 #27
You certainly make many allegations, yet fail to support any of them with objective evidence. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #29
Just what "many" allegations do I make? PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #37
So what is the point of your thread, exactly? BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #30
Stated in post #5. Clear explanation oif my intention. PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #35
A lot of people put their point in the OP BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #36
Here is what I typed in OP PufPuf23 Aug 2019 #39
Be very leery of any articles or posts your find pushing Gabbard dflprincess Aug 2019 #8
You got that right (link) SunsetDreams2 Aug 2019 #9
+1 dalton99a Aug 2019 #28
Harris did directly prosecute marijuana cases as San Francisco district attorney from 2004-2010 Princetonian Aug 2019 #13
harris is a typical prosecutor caring more about her record than justice questionseverything Aug 2019 #14
What would primary voters think if they knew "she also worked against laws that would punish cops"? Princetonian Aug 2019 #18
ty for the new info questionseverything Aug 2019 #40
She is not the one...agree. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #31
two previous DNA tests concluded Cooper was the killer bigtree Aug 2019 #23
Doesnt matter when there is abuse in the forensic office...you go the extra mile. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #32
I sincerely hope PDittie Aug 2019 #16
Regardless of what one thinks of Gabbard, she didn't say anything others haven't said and written... wyldwolf Aug 2019 #19
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #20
lol, "torches". Harris paid little attention to anything the bottom of the debate field had to say Tarc Aug 2019 #38
 

bigtree

(85,920 posts)
1. she used lie pushed by her right wing supporters to launch the attack you're so proud of
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:22 PM
Aug 2019

Politifact:

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii on Sen. Kamala Harris’ time as a prosecutor: Harris "put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana."

This claim about Harris putting "over 1,500 people in jail" for pot violations is cited in a February article by the Free Beacon, a conservative online news website. The article says "at least 1,560 people were sent to state prisons for marijuana-related offenses between 2011 and 2016," when Harris was California attorney general. It says the data comes from reports from the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

PolitiFact could not immediately access that data during the debate. But we do know that as attorney general, Harris would not have personally prosecuted marijuana cases. Those cases would have been handled by lower-level state attorneys.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jul/31/fact-checking-democratic-debate-detroit-night-two/



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PufPuf23

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3. Who said was proud of the attack on Harris?
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:30 PM
Aug 2019

I am not a supporter of Gabbard but also do not support Harris.

Interested to hear about just who are the money and power supporters behind Gabbard. Please elaborate.

I consider Gabbard a fringe candidate and cannot see a path to where she would have my support.

That said Gabbard has presence and comes off as intelligent and quick minded.

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bigtree

(85,920 posts)
26. this thread is a bulletin board of already debunked lies
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:56 AM
Aug 2019

...

Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1
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SFPD Lab Tech Deborah Madden allegedly stole cocaine
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Crime Lab was ran by PD not Kamala's office.
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Kamala without being ordered to dropped over 1,500 cases (far above the cases that were handled by Madden)
▪️
Kamala implemented reforms in response


Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1

Kamala did NOT fight to keep prisoners for cheap labor
▪️
DAG Patrick McKinney unsuccessfully argued the case without Kamala's knowledge
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Kamala was not personally involved in the 10s of 1000s of filings by all of the 1,000 attorneys per year
Source:
(link: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adamserwer/some-lawyers-just-want-to-see-the-world-burn) buzzfeednews.com/article/adamse…


Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1
▪️
Recreational marijuana was not legalized until 2018 (ballot measure passed 2016), so marijuana possession was illegal the entire time Kamala was DA/AG
▪️
Kamala CREATED the 1st of it's kind Back On Track program to provide job/education/housing assistance to drug offenders


Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1

Kamala did NOT "withhold evidence to exonerate an innocent man on death row"
▪️
Kamala had NO involvement with Kevin Cooper as he had already exhausted all of his appeals BEFORE she was AG
▪️
Cooper needed clemency which was denied by Schwarzenegger & punted by Gov Jerry Brown



Black Women Views @blackwomenviews Aug 1

Additional contemporaneous sources:
▪️
SF Lab cases dismissed
(link: https://www.mercurynews.com/2010/04/01/1000-san-francisco-drug-cases-to-be-dismissed-in-lab-scandal/) mercurynews.com/2010/04/01/100…
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SF Crime Lab Cases Dismissed/Reforms
abc7news.com/archive/7403326/) abc7news.com/archive/740332…

Back on Track
(link:

)

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CA marijuana legalization (link: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/us/legal-pot-california.html) nytimes.com/2018/01/01/us/…
▪️
Cooper
(link: https://www.dailybulletin.com/2016/04/17/kevin-cooper-timeline-of-events/) dailybulletin.com/2016/04/17/kev…



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SunsetDreams2

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4. California didn't legalize weed for recreation until 2018
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:36 PM
Aug 2019

Marijuana Legalization Goes into Effect in 2018

After the approval of the Marijuana Act in 2016, weed will be legal in the state of California starting Jan. 1, 2018.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Timeline-Marijuana-Legalization-in-California-464268753.html%3famp=y

If it wasn’t legal until 2018, attacking Harris for following state law between 2011 and 2016 is utter nonsense.

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Demsrule86

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33. She was agaonst legalization. And people were prosecuted.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:50 AM
Aug 2019

That didnt have to happen.

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Demsrule86

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34. Try looking at other sources...also go bback and see what was wtitten while she was DA and AG.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:52 AM
Aug 2019

Also, much of this hasbeen known since the senate race...

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Dr Hobbitstein

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2. You mean Tulsi Gabbard LIED about Kamala Harris.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:24 PM
Aug 2019

Torched, my ass.

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PufPuf23

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5. OP was the title of the clip, not my words.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:37 PM
Aug 2019

If you read the article provided by BigTree, Gabbard did not "lie" but interpreted data in a way unfavorable to Harris. Of course Harris did not personally prosecute 1500 plus marijuana convictions but as AG was the ultimate California LE officer during their prosecution and conviction.

My right to not support Harris and have a low opinion of her (not specifically because of pot).

Did not post the clip because I support Gabbard (at all) but because there has been discussion about the debate interchange, I did not see a video clip on DU, searched the internet, and posted the clip to DU.

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Dr Hobbitstein

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6. Gabbard is in Putin's pocket. nt
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:38 PM
Aug 2019
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PufPuf23

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10. I am by no means a supporter of Gabbard. She is a non-starter for me.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:53 PM
Aug 2019

How is that working for you calling folks who do not agree with you trolls for Putin?

Does not help matters at all, IMO counter productive.

I posted a video of an item people are discussing.

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tonedevil

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12. For my part...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:58 PM
Aug 2019

identifying trolly bullshit works a lot better than letting it go unaddressed. I think we learned that in 2016, at least some of us.

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Qutzupalotl

(14,230 posts)
17. There is a nexus around her words and actions
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:45 PM
Aug 2019

which happen to align with Putin’s aims. The bizarre trip to appease Assad while we’re arming rebels undercut Obama. Now she’s getting endorsed by Matt Gaetz, boosted by RT, and uses their framing to attack a fellow democrat.


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apcalc

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7. I do not consider Gabbard a Democrat by any means.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:44 PM
Aug 2019

I consider her a DINO, a right wing plant, imo.
I pay NO ATTENTION to her and I consider her attacks as doing Putin’s troll work.

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PufPuf23

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11. Tulsi Gabbard is a Democratic party member, holds office as a Democrat, and
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:56 PM
Aug 2019

is running for POTUS as a Democrat.

Most folks that get called Putin's trolls are not Putin's trolls but folks that disagree.

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Qutzupalotl

(14,230 posts)
15. Yet gets boosted by Russian-aligned RW groups
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:33 PM
Aug 2019

to try to artificially boost her “buzz:”


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womanofthehills

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21. So, you are fine with Gabbard saying the same thing Barr said about the Mueller investigation?
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:34 AM
Aug 2019

Tulsi Gabbard :

"Mueller reported Trump did not collude with Russia to influence our elections. Now we must put aside partisan interests, move forward ..........."

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PufPuf23

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22. You obviously have not read my posts in this thread.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 09:42 AM
Aug 2019

I do not support Gabbard and consider her a fringe candidate in general and a non-starter personally.

That said, neither do I support Kamala Harris for POTUS who I have voted for as Senator and CA AG and may in the future as the Democratic POTUS candidate.

Also that said, just how is the vaunted Mueller investigation working out for getting rid of Trump?

Just what about that?

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bigtree

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24. so you're mocking the Mueller investigation?
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:24 AM
Aug 2019

...that's a rare sight on DU.

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PufPuf23

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25. I am not mocking the Mueller investigation, it is what it is.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:48 AM
Aug 2019

DU (including myself) is disappointed by the outcome of the process and to a lesser degree by the findings of the report and by the willingness of Mueller to be forceful in his conclusion in damning Trump and the GOP enablers. The result is much the product of AG Barr and how the report and process has been handled by media. But if one goes back much hope was held at DU as to the expected Mueller outcome. I expected to be disappointed and experience something similar to Fitzmas. The impact of the Mueller Report is hopefully still gaining momentum.

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bigtree

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27. "vaunted"
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:00 AM
Aug 2019

Last edited Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:49 AM - Edit history (1)

...you mocked it.

Not something I've seen on DU. May well be disappointed in the outcome, but calling his investigation "vaunted," or praised or boasted about, is just taunting.

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LanternWaste

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29. You certainly make many allegations, yet fail to support any of them with objective evidence.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:33 AM
Aug 2019

I consider that both irrational and without substance... you provide the board with little more than bumper stinkers and t-shirt slogans.

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PufPuf23

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37. Just what "many" allegations do I make?
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 12:38 PM
Aug 2019

I posted a video of an interchange in the debate that is a topic of conversation and I could not find the video on DU.

I support neither Gabbard or for that matter Harris.

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BannonsLiver

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30. So what is the point of your thread, exactly?
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:39 AM
Aug 2019
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PufPuf23

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35. Stated in post #5. Clear explanation oif my intention.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 12:34 PM
Aug 2019

"Did not post the clip because I support Gabbard (at all) but because there has been discussion about the debate interchange, I did not see a video clip on DU, searched the internet, and posted the clip to DU."

Interesting DU response to my posting the video clip for those (like myself) did not watch the debate itself but have interest in what occurred.

I do not support Gabbard at all and do not consider Gabbard a viable POTUS candidate.

Also do not support Harris who is a viable candidate but not one I want to support as POTUS.
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BannonsLiver

(16,162 posts)
36. A lot of people put their point in the OP
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 12:38 PM
Aug 2019

But perhaps I’m being old fashioned.

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PufPuf23

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39. Here is what I typed in OP
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 01:50 PM
Aug 2019

"Did not watch debates but read about them and viewed video clips.

I am a California native and voting life long voting Democratic party member. I voted for Harris as AG and as Senator but do not support Harris for POTUS and voted for her in the past only as she was the lead Democratic candidate,

Consider Gabbard a non-contender and perhaps a loose cannon fringe candidate but have to say Gabbard has presence and a quick mind. "Torched" is a good description of that debate interchange."

I clearly stated I am not a Gabbard supporter.

Pretty creepy that I need to keep explaining the OP.

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dflprincess

(28,057 posts)
8. Be very leery of any articles or posts your find pushing Gabbard
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:46 PM
Aug 2019

Vlad appears to have the troll farms working overtime praising her.

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SunsetDreams2

(268 posts)
9. You got that right (link)
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 10:49 PM
Aug 2019

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a clear example of Russian disinformation happening in real time. A hashtag created & promoted by Russia Today against Kamala Harris & supporting Rep. Gabbard, who is an apologist for another Putin puppet, Bashar Assad. This is a sign that Harris is seen as a threat. <a href="https://t.co/1aQi4WMISb">https://t.co/1aQi4WMISb</a></p>— Richard Stengel (@stengel) <a href="


?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Princetonian

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13. Harris did directly prosecute marijuana cases as San Francisco district attorney from 2004-2010
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:11 PM
Aug 2019

According to Mercury News: https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/08/01/democratic-debate-kamala-harris-tulsi-gabbard-joe-biden-fact-check/

This especially turns my stomach:

Death row appeals

Tulsi Gabbard: “She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so. In the case of those who were on death row, innocent people, you actually blocked evidence from being revealed that would have freed them until you were forced to do so.”

The facts: Harris’s attorney general office did block DNA testing that some legal observers believe could have helped overturn the murder conviction of a death row inmate who has insisted he was framed.

Harris opposed efforts by lawyers for Kevin Cooper, a death row inmate from San Bernardino County, to get new DNA testing. In 2018, following a New York Times investigation into the case, Harris said she was wrong and called for further testing.


No wonder Harris wants to only talk about Trump all of a sudden!

Gabbard was also correct that Harris "fought to keep a cash bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way.”

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questionseverything

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14. harris is a typical prosecutor caring more about her record than justice
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:25 PM
Aug 2019

she also worked against laws that would punish bad cops

she aint the one peops

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Princetonian

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18. What would primary voters think if they knew "she also worked against laws that would punish cops"?
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 08:13 AM
Aug 2019

Harris' history needs serious vetting. Did you know about this?

"Clergy Abuse Survivors Question Kamala Harris’ Record"

'Harris never responded to him when he wrote to tell her that a priest who had molested him was still in ministry at a local Catholic cathedral. And, he says, she didn’t reply five years later when he wrote again, urging her to release records on accused clergy to help other alleged victims who were filing lawsuits.

“She did nothing,” said Piscitelli, today the Northern California spokesman for SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. Survivors of clergy abuse and their attorneys say that Harris’ record on fighting sex abuse within the Catholic Church is relevant as the U.S. senator from California campaigns for the presidency... They complain that Harris was consistently silent on the Catholic Church’s abuse scandal — first as district attorney in San Francisco and later as California’s attorney general.

Catholics make up large voting blocs in the city and the state, accounting for roughly a quarter of the population in both San Francisco’s metro area and across California.

“There’s a potential political risk if you move aggressively against the church,” said Michael Meadows, a Bay Area attorney who has represented clergy abuse victims. “I just don’t think she was willing to take it.'


https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/06/26/clergy-abuse-survivors-question-sen-kamala-harris-record/

Is this Harris' idea of social justice? Harris needs to explain to voters why she made these decisions and why. Since she portrays herself as a tough prosecutor, it is relevant to know about Harris' history as DA and AG.

"she aint the one peops"

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questionseverything

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40. ty for the new info
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 03:56 PM
Aug 2019

I had not seen that

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Demsrule86

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31. She is not the one...agree.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:44 AM
Aug 2019

Sure would vote for her in a general but not a primary.

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bigtree

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23. two previous DNA tests concluded Cooper was the killer
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 10:19 AM
Aug 2019

...and the latest DNA testing was ordered over a year ago.

So tell me all about this DNA evidence that will free Cooper. Doesn't look like it panned out for him.

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Demsrule86

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32. Doesnt matter when there is abuse in the forensic office...you go the extra mile.
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 11:46 AM
Aug 2019

It was a death penalty case too. There is more also. It is out there thanks to google.

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PDittie

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16. I sincerely hope
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:37 PM
Aug 2019

she is Secretary of Defense in a Sanders Administration.




(Sent to 'Greatest' for "Karmala" alone)

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wyldwolf

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19. Regardless of what one thinks of Gabbard, she didn't say anything others haven't said and written...
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 08:23 AM
Aug 2019

... in various mainstream impartial sources.

Killing the messenger doesn't invalidate the message.

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Tarc

(10,472 posts)
38. lol, "torches". Harris paid little attention to anything the bottom of the debate field had to say
Fri Aug 2, 2019, 12:53 PM
Aug 2019

Gabbard's poll bump is a product of of RT and Sputnik.

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