Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJoe Biden Is Coming for Your Legal Weed
The former VP and 2020 candidate's plan for cannabis is the industry's worst nightmare: It could blow up the system across the country.
Biden's plan calls for moving marijuana from schedule I to schedule II, that's a good thing, right? Wrong. Here's why:
In his 40 years in the Senate, as is now well known, Biden was a key architect of harsh criminal penalties for nonviolent drug users. Undoing much of his own work was one way to make sense of a large part of the criminal justice plan his presidential campaign recently released. Finding a centrist's safe-and-happy medium on weed in particular, Biden has not embraced legalizationa.k.a. commercialized, recreational pot usebut has claimed to back decriminalization, or removing at least most pot offenses from the criminal justice system.
But Biden is actually pushing a policy that could wreck the growing American weed industry and massively disrupt users' access to the drug, attorneys, consultants, academics, and entrepreneurs well-versed in US cannabis policy say.
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The proposal would do for cannabis "the same thing its done for meth: Ensure reduced research initiatives, selective prosecution, and a thriving black market," said Michael Backes, a Southern California-based cannabis industry consultant and author of Cannabis Pharmacy: The Practical Guide to Medical Marijuana.
Selling cannabis like other Schedule II drugs, in "a closed system, only by prescription, only sold by licensed pharmacies, would be massively disruptive," Herzberg concluded. "It would produce massive changesand if it were actually enforced, there could be no recreational marijuana at all."
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43kg3m/joe-biden-is-coming-for-your-legal-recreational-weed
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Why not simply explain why your candidate is the best choice...Weed is currently a schedule 1 drug, yet is still sold in the states that have approved it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)But for sure I will look for your posts in this forum and note when they are not "explain(ing) why your candidate is the best choice."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,809 posts)I can still find pot any day of the week. I cant get rid of a despot so easily.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That's a July 23 headline from marijuana industry website, Leafly.com.
... President Bidens cannabis decriminalization would come with automatic expungements of past marijuana records, support for federal medical legalization, and a downgrade of cannabis to Schedule II, so researchers can study its positive and negative impacts.
As for adult-use federal legalization, Biden echoed President Trumps position in recent years, stating he would, leave decisions regarding legalization for recreational use up to the states.
That last's very sensible and appropriate in this dangerously volatile era. This is a big culture wars issue, and the people of each state need to be able to decide. Remember what happened after SCOTUS forced legalization of gay marriage on the nation? The intense angry backlash, even in many states where majorities supported it, it was a big factor in electing Trump in the first place.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The excerpt in the OP went over this.
You can't "leave it up to the states" while keeping it federally restricted. It's a dishonest position.
Meanwhile all trump has to do is toss out a line that he will legalize it federally and we lose tons of support. Embracing a platform of federal legalization (or decriminalization, or whatever semantics you want to put in there) won't lose anyone, and will gain people in the end.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in being able to continue selling its product. Its market includes professionals in the industry who are already informed and typically able to pick up very quickly on, and object to, inaccuracies.
Vice is a somewhat left-bias political site. So this particular author wants someone else to win. So what? When we are informing ourselves, we need to make up our own minds, not just absorb the opinions so conveniently and determinedly served up to us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)We need to stop being fanatics, we have to agree when a policy brought up by our favourite candidate is not a good policy and then try to let our favourite candidate why you think it is not a good policy, but accepting everything from the candidate you support because you just cannot see any wrong from him/her? That is bad, that is what the repubs do with the creature, they turn their heads the other way, as long as they can continue with their personal agendas.
No, we have to make everyone accountable for their bad ideas, their bad policies, and anything which is counterproductive to the country, to make them change them, otherwise we become fanatics and we may end up like the republicans, a bunch of lemmin
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)We need to stop distorting politicians positions just because you dont like them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,809 posts)MJ is criminalized. It's been criminalized for 50 years or more. I've been headed to jail for 40yrs
Don't use fear tactics to win a point. Sure we'd like to be legal but we aren't. Probably won't be and will still consume very regularly.
It is you who is framing me as " I) just cannot see any wrong from him/her? That is bad, that is what the repubs do"
You seem to be the one demanding a purity test. That's what repubs do..
This is a fake issue as far as I am concerned... Joe Biden is the most qualified to rid us of a despot....
I will be smoking from now to then.... Legal or not. Corporatized or not. Once Dump is removed... I will consider joining your cause...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)but it is also pretty far down on my list of issues. Number one is to get Tangerine Idi Amin out of the White House. Number two, recover foreign policy. This is above busing but not in the top ten.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,033 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)I'll defend Biden against this kind of attack even though he's not my candidate.
sounds uncomfortably close to right wing messaging tactics.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,809 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)Link to tweet
Today, too many people are incarcerated in the United Statesand too many of them are black and brown, Bidens team said in a post to his campaign website on Tuesday. To build safe and healthy communities, we need to rethink who were sending to jail, how we treat those in jail, and how we help them get the health care, education, jobs, and housing they need to successfully rejoin society after they serve their time.
According to FBI reports, cannabis is a key driver of mass incarcerationmarijuana arrests are the number one type of drug arrest in the US, and drug arrests are the number one type of arrest police make. Former Vice President Bidens cannabis decriminalization would come with automatic expungements of past marijuana records, support for federal medical legalization, and a downgrade of cannabis to Schedule II, so researchers can study its positive and negative impacts.
As for adult-use federal legalization, Biden echoed President Trumps position in recent years, stating he would, leave decisions regarding legalization for recreational use up to the states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Biden has repeatedly said hes okay with leaving marijuana legality up to the states.
Now thats not my preferred position, but this article is trying to mislead people that making it schedule II would make things worse.
That is straight up false.
Anything the article says in an attempt to scare people away from Biden could just as easily happen under the current scheduling. And we already know Biden has no interest in enforcing federal laws when it comes to marijuana legality.
Its fine if you dont like Bidens overall views on the issue. I dont. But this article is straight up garbage fear-mongering.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)QUESTION: Which branch of government writes and passes legislation?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)gives me even more inspiration to fight for this decent, authentic, compassionate human being.
Im no longer on the sidelines - Im all in for Joe...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)the post is still up...unbelievable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)under the misguided view that everyone should simply post happy ads for their candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)It has been posted...his position about how he would not interfere with states...Biden can beat Trump doubt anyone else can...so you only hurt our chances with this stuff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)and election security than anything else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)PA is particularly important...and most of the other candidates will not win blue wall states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)by a total of 80,000 votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Andy823
(11,495 posts)So anyone the points out things about Biden are "attacking" him, but when you and your fellow Biden supporters go after Harris, it's just stating the facts, even though in many cases they really are "not" facts.
I think everyone should be pointing out why their candidate is the best choice, and that goes for the Biden supporters. The Harris supporters are doing just that, pointing out why she is the best choice, they are not attacking Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)When I hear Mr. Biden say he is going out law weed then I will buy it. Until then its an opinion
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Andy823
(11,495 posts)And Joe was complete unprepared in the first debate. Did she commit a crime by questioning him? I don't think so. She did it once, and so some of the Biden group here decided it was "war", and they have been going after her since then. Seems like over kill to me, and it hasn't affected her, she is still drawing in the crowds, thousand of them, and she will continue to do so.
I was just pointing out the double standard where it's OK to attack others, just don't question what Joe says!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Andy823
(11,495 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)a person he campaigned for...but it says more about who she is than Biden...kind of a despicable thing to do to someone you are on friendly terms with and there was a pledge which she ignored...now she doesn't want to defend her past actions and wants Trump to be the 'focus' of the next debate...but she will have to...the lower tier candidates will see to that. She seems to be slipping in the polls. I liked Kamala and would vote for her in general of course, but didn't like her behavior during the first debate...some may approve of this sort of thing, I do not...especially against fellow Democrats...she basically called him a racist and attempted to do it in the second debate as well in my opinion. well, it backfired this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)Biden didnt make gains, but he weathered attacks: Despite facing criticisms from competitors all night, Biden held steady in terms of favorability and vote share.
https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Political-Intelligence-8.5.19.pdf
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Tulsi's 'attacks' on Sen. Harris. who opened the door to this sort of thing!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,009 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,110 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It makes me sick.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)Hiring Jill Stein supporters is a bad move
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)It's one of several positions I don't understand... perhaps, over time, Joe will see the error in his ways and come over to Bernie's way of thinking, as have so many other candidates.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jcgoldie
(11,623 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mobeau69
(11,138 posts)He'll probably forget.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KPN
(15,641 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Quemado
(1,262 posts)This is going backwards.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I have a relative who finds relief for severe back pain with marijuana edibles instead of hydrocodone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Because currently, according to the federal government, marijuana has no medicinal benefits.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)non medical use but thats it. I'm not buying that Bidens plan is the death of it but we need a more progressive system for dealing with it, like, treat it like cigarettes.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,029 posts)states, then.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287228597
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Only 33 states allow doctors to prescribe medical marijuana which is effective in many patients who otherwise need opioids.
I'm not in favor of "leaving it up to the states". My relative couldn't bring his medical weed with him recently on a trip to NC to attend funeral even though he carries and pays (a lot) for a AZ medical marijuana card. Ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,029 posts)get a Democratic President in.
But, Biden is Not coming for anyone's Weed as the OP says.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)The OP title is hyperbole.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)family who decided to open a pool hall in our very conservative town and call it the Purple Haze, it lived up to its name
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)And now, Purple Haze is a strain of marijuana! Who knew!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)Thank you for your past work, but this is now the 21st century.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Quemado
(1,262 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,318 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Quemado
(1,262 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Not to mention the source.. really vice is one of the most light weight far far left crap sites out there
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Good start. As a nation we have to start somewhere. There will always be red states that would push against federal legalization. Just like the ACA... I actually think its the smarter way
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,961 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)I'm not sure if that's true, but, certainly Joe polls well enough - along with other candidates against the Racist-in-Chief - that there's no good reason he should drop out of the race.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Response to Voltaire2 (Original post)
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Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,342 posts)Which is against the rules. But hey if it hurts him and helps my team anything goes, I guess.
Rah! rah!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....when they refer to Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Then they added "Biden later corrected himself, the Washington Examiner reported." - Washington Examiner, another right wing source.
I suggest you delete that post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)then post it here for everyone to read. That should end the discussion. Fact are there to defend your point, otherwise you become a fanatic with no real knowledge of what you candidate supports.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....he's concentrating on issues that are much more important than marijuana. But I'm sure he'll address it before we reach the primaries.
I just get exasperated when biased blog/news writers take a few words and expound on them with their own slant on it, like the Vice writer did.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)The whole country does not smoke pot. Not all democrats smoke it/use it/medicate with it. Not all democrats vote with pot as the number 1 issue.
I smoke pot. I wish it were legalized but I am more worried about Russia, China, Iraq and the Imposter posing as president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Notice that nothing in that article cites anything specific about Biden's "plan", it's just negative hysteria.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)about 40 years behind everyone else and wrong. As usual.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)No rational response. Just attacks on Biden without any knowledge of why youre attacking.
I gotta say, Vice sure trolled the hell out of this forum.
And Ill answer your question, even though you ignored mine.
I dont think marijuana should be schedule I because I believe it has medicinal uses.
Now will you answer my question? Why do you think marijuana should remain schedule I?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,012 posts)Selling cannabis like other Schedule II drugs, in "a closed system, only by prescription, only sold by licensed pharmacies, would be massively disruptive," Herzberg concluded. "It would produce massive changesand if it were actually enforced, there could be no recreational marijuana at all."
Drugs listed under Schedule II (which include cocaine and methamphetamine as well as prescription opiates like fentanyl) are available legally but only under strict Food and Drug Administration controls. That is, only with a doctor's prescription, only after a lengthy FDA-overseen approval process that can include years of clinical trials (and then sold only via a licensed pharmacy), and only for limited applications.
The reason marijuana is a Schedule I drug is because they ignore studies that prove it has medical use. There is a big difference between a schedule I drug that has a high potential for abuse and a schedule II drug that has a high potential for abuse leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. Marijuana does not lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.
Some of the Schedule II drugs as defined by the United States Controlled Substances Act. ... are hydromorphone Dilaudid, methadone Dolophine, meperidine Demerol, oxycodone OxyContin , Percocet and, morphine, opium, codeine, and hydrocodone.
Those drugs are tightly controlled by the government and doctors are not willing to prescribe them as needed so a lot of people with chronic pain suffer needlessly. They will use the bullshit excuse that marijuana is classified as a drug with a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. Which is outdated and has been proven false. These drugs are also considered dangerous. The only thing marijuana is a danger to is a box of Twinkies or a pizza.
Make it a schedule II drug and people will not have access to it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Oh I cant even.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)It's not clear exactly how Biden hit upon Schedule II as the magic solution, or if he took input from drug-policy reform advocates or cannabis industry playersor took cues instead from the anti-legalization activists working against them. A spokesman for Biden's campaign did not respond to emails, text messages, or a phone call seeking comment.
"There's no way this [Biden's plan] will ever go far enough to remedy the damages these communities of color have suffered," said Solonje Burnett, co-founder of the Brooklyn-based cannabis brand hub Humble Bloom, adding that his was a "half measure" that put him on "the wrong side of history, again."
Indeed, within hours of the plan's release, Biden was critiquedor subtweeted, reallyby fellow presidential hopeful Cory Booker, who has proposed full legalization on the federal level. But he's not just behind his fellow Democrats. According to a bevy of industry players interviewed, Biden's plan would be worse for weed in America than anything proposed under Donald Trump.
I'm going to go with the part I bolded as to how he came up with his plan.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)positions on the matter, rather blindly accepting hit pieces on Vice.
Biden wants to decriminalize marijuana on the federal level. He also supports leaving legality up to the states.
Those are his positions. Now if youll notice, thats completely at odds with this bullshit article. Why do you suppose that is?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)that won't work. Legal marijuana businesses can not take deductions for their business expenses or use banks for their money in states where it is legal, because of federal rules about money laundering. Why do you suppose Biden didn't address that in his "plan"?
There is a big difference between decriminalization and legalization.
Legalization on the other hand, is the lifting or abolishment of laws banning the possession and personal use of marijuana. More importantly, legalization allows the government to regulate and tax marijuana use and sales. Proponents also make the case that taxpayers can save millions of dollars by removing from the judicial system the hundreds of thousands of offenders caught with small amounts of marijuana.
"Decriminalization is only half the answer. As long as supplying drugs remains illegal, the business will remain a criminal monopoly. Jamaicas gangsters will continue to enjoy total control over the ganja market. They will go on corrupting police, murdering their rivals and pushing their products to children. People who buy cocaine in Portugal face no criminal consequences, but their euros still end up paying the wages of the thugs who saw off heads in Latin America. For the producer countries, going easy on drug-users while insisting that the product remain illegal is the worst of all worlds."
https://www.thoughtco.com/decriminalization-versus-legalization-of-marijuana-3368393
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)substances. They are leading on this issue. Joe isn't.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/2020-democratic-candidates-stand-together-on-marijuana-legalize-it.html
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)And proposed federally decriminalizing it, there is no mechanism by which marijuana would be harder to get if it was Schedule II.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Your insisting that it remain 100% under federal control.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Im in favor of federal legalization. I wish Biden was, too. What Im not in favor of is articles that deliberately distort positions in order to get people scared.
Joe Biden is coming for your legal weed.
Give me a fing break. Nothing Biden has said or done remotely warrants such an article.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....say. Amazing, isn't it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Speculation and supposition
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)You seem to think that a candidate running for president isn't going to talk about their plans they have thought of for their administration. It sounds like you think the guy you support is just talking to be talking.
"There's no way this [Biden's plan] will ever go far enough to remedy the damages these communities of color have suffered," said Solonje Burnett, co-founder of the Brooklyn-based cannabis brand hub Humble Bloom, adding that his was a "half measure" that put him on "the wrong side of history, again."
Indeed, within hours of the plan's release, Biden was critiquedor subtweeted, reallyby fellow presidential hopeful Cory Booker, who has proposed full legalization on the federal level. But he's not just behind his fellow Democrats. According to a bevy of industry players interviewed, Biden's plan would be worse for weed in America than anything proposed under Donald Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)You are still basing your claim on opinion and supposition. Not saying you arent entitled to your opinion
And, in reference to the larger issue here about this ridiculous OP please see post #99. The whole thing is nonesense
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287228597#post7
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cary
(11,746 posts)In our battle against Nazis what we really need to do is nitpick each other and play right into every Russian ploy.
You seem to have missed one or two of those ploys, Autumn.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)Do you have a problem with what I posted from the article? If so, discuss it or prove it wrong I don't care.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287228425#post95
Now I'm not interested in another trip down the rabbit hole with you so
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
You barfed up an "I know you are but what am I."
So clever! And not petty at all Autumn.
(rolling eyeballs)
And hardly predictable.
What horrible thing would happen if you tried being reasonable? What if you actually tried to be nice? What if, Autumn? What if?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)marijuana, it's not up to me to fill you in.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Come on Autumn, I've been on this Merry-Go-Round with you before. You said something but leave it up to others to imagine what you're talking about.
Not going to bite tonight. Biden is 100% correct on this issue.
Have a great evening.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Like I said, been on this Merry-Go-Round with you before. I'm going to hop off.
Now, when you want to actually tell us about what Biden said or, as you put it, "thinks", I'll buy another ticket and get back on the ride.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,809 posts)How did the ardent disser of Joe Biden get the mind meld. How can I get in?
Any opinion you have of Joe Biden is completely irrelevant due to your bias.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)that's what he thinks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,809 posts)But Im not going to take every opportunity to slam Steyer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,809 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)Creating more bureaucratic bungling to keep people from using it in states where voters have legalized it recreationally, medically or both is just plain bad policy.
Biden needs to walk back this position or he's going to lose hundreds of thousands of votes.
Sigh.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Then what they wrote isnt true:
Moving marijuana from schedule I to schedule II is the stupidest idea I have seen.
That clearly suggests theyd rather have it remain Schedule I.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)No one is advocating a move to schedule II. It's more like Joe is advocating putting a lock on the barn door after Grand Theft Heifer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Uh what? That is what Biden wants to do. Thats what the article is about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)I was referring to the article and your wrong accusation. The writer of the article and others responding here did not advocate moving it to schedule II. Only Joe seems to advocate that, and there is some uncertainty there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)https://hightimes.com/news/lawmakers-just-introduced-carers-act-protect-medical-marijuana/
https://www.countable.us/articles/18601-lawmakers-just-introduced-carers-act-protect-medical-marijuana
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/127/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22CARERS+Act%22%5D%7D&r=1&s=5
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/2920/cosponsors
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1374
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_cannabis_from_Schedule_I_of_the_Controlled_Substances_Act
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)But as I pointed out, I was referring to the OP and members who posted in this thread. I don't understand how people can reach across space to make irrelevant arguments.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)There are several activist groups and legislators who would like to see rescheduling as well. A few of our presidential candidates have introduced and/or have supported rescheduling during both past and the present session of Congress. Even WHO is in favor of rescheduling cannabis in an international treaty to which the US is a party.
I'm not sure why anyone would think that links to policy papers and legislation concerning all the people and groups endorsing rescheduling are irrelevant to refuting the unsupported claim that
no person; not anyone; nobody
I'm sure the Grand Theft Heifer reference is very clever, but given the fact that if cannabis is not rescheduled to a Class II drug, it will remain where it is now in our federal statute (a Class I drug), you may want to reconsider its relevance in the present discussion.
https://www.dea.gov/drug-scheduling
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)I was referring to a select group. I'm sorry I left out some words. I assumed too much.
No one other than Joe Biden was supporting a rescheduling. No one among the respondents was supporting a rescheduling.
Is that better?
How about we legalize it and to hell with schedule I or II. As for those articles you linked to, several were about the Carers act which has nothing to do with rescheduling. It's just a workaround to protect medicinal users.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)due to international drug control treaties. Currently, the US is in compliance with those treaties via a federal statute (Controlled Substances Act). The primary treaty (The Single Convention) does give the party states (countries) some flexibility in scheduling.
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When the first states (like Colorado and Washington) were readying legislation to legalize pot, the Justice Department signaled to them that it would not launch challenges to the state laws based on the principle that federal law takes primacy.
The United States is not alone; the international community has shown an increased approval, and in some instances outright support, of recreational marijuana. This growing international support warrants an amendment to the Single Convention in order to allow states to legislate recreational marijuana as they see fit without the constraints of international obligations.
Amending the Single Convention would allow the United States to pursue federal legislation similar to that of Colorado and Washington. By legalizing marijuana on the federal level, the United States would see positive gains both domestically and internationally. The United States would stand to gain significant revenue while simultaneously decreasing its prison population and international violence.
Such potentially significant ramifications warrant an amendment to the Single Convention in order to permit party states to weigh these benefits in their own territories without being held hostage by an international treaty thats no longer in line with popular opinion.
http://minnjil.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Lighten-Up-Amending-the-Single-Convention-on-Narcotic-Drugs.pdf
https://www2.nycbar.org/pdf/report/uploads/3_20072283-InternationalDrugControlTreaties.pdf
https://www.unodc.org/pdf/convention_1961_en.pdf
https://www.tni.org/en/publication/the-un-drug-control-conventions
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Cartoonist
(7,314 posts)Should this happen, does that mean the feds would add their tax to the state tax?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)Presently about a third of the states that have legalized medical marijuana collect taxes on it, but the state tax isn't necessarily a sales tax paid directly by the consumer.
https://www.foxrothschild.com/content/uploads/2018/08/Cannabis-Tax-E-book-Septemberv2-2018-2.pdf
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lol
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,873 posts)long as those who need it for medical reasons have access...and we get our people out of jail for using.. I could care less, if you get to light up tonight.. ..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kiri
(794 posts)Biden is hooked on "Reefer Madness" 1930's propaganda, when he was growing up and much influenced by Catholic teachings on birth control, abortion, and sex. He had no concerns about tobacco or alcohol. A product of his time. And he has moved on and evolved somewhat. It's his basic instincts that remain.
He was mightily opposed to hippie culture--peace and pot? better, war and cops and prisons.
Biden has never been a champion of reform of the criminal justice system. He supports every DA and prosecutor, even when the Innocence Project finds prisoners wrongly incarcerated.
Biden is a decent, sometimes thoughtful man, trying to escape from his background. I love that he gives Trump heartburn.
But leadership on pot, big pharma drugs?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Biden's proposals leave State law unchanged.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Good lord I cant believe how many people got suckered by this article.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)'Fundamentally, though, the problem is that Schedule II "would still present a conflict with the existing state medical and adult-use cannabis programs that are on the books in 47 states," said Erich Pearson, who owns cannabis dispensaries in San Francisco and in California's Sonoma County, and sits on the board of the Denver-based National Cannabis Industry Association. (Pearson is also a longtime supporter of Sen. Kamala Harris and recently appeared at a Harris presidential campaign fundraiser, according to his Facebook page and FEC filings.)'
Buried at the end:
'Whether a Biden-led FDA would have either the ability or the desire to punish every cannabis operator who violated such a policy framework is doubtful...In his defense, Biden has expressed awareness that the war on drugs as he helped wage it is no longer tenable. Biden "is here saying no one should be in jail because of cannabis use," a senior Biden campaign aide speaking on condition of anonymity told reporters before the plan's release. Biden also "very much believes that we need more research and [to] study the positive and negative impact of cannabis use," added the aide.'
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)It sure seems to have worked on this forum though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapfog_1
(29,194 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)And now, I cannot understand why he'd come out with this. It is bad policy.
The writing is on the wall. Hemp has been legalized. There are presently only 10 states where marijuana is fully illegal. There are ten states where it is fully legal, and the rest have either partly legalized or decriminalized.
In my state, which dramatically limits the power of the state legislature to raise taxes without a popular vote, the marijuana tax money is going to education and into the breech on other shortfalls.
It is sold from dispensaries that are heavily regulated, clean and because of the federal government's stupidity, deal in cash only.
Now, he wants to put it on Schedule 2? So it is under strict FDA controls? By prescription only? Years of expensive clinical trials?
It saddens me because to put it on Schedule II is a major step backwards. It has parallels to the approach the anti-abortion people are using in some of the southern states - They are trying to reduce the number of abortions by strangling the service supply.
And, NO, I AM NOT BASHING A DEMOCRATIC FIGURE. I am merely pointing out that the policy approach is similar between the two situations - if you don't want recreational marijuana to be obtainable, even in states where the voters have legalized it, then this is the way to go.
But again, it is VERY bad, VERY UNPOPULAR policy that will cost him many thousands of votes in the primaries, and will tend to keep younger people away from the polls. Really bad move.
I am not sure Biden has thought this out. What I believe is that he's consciously trying to play to the center and is taking policy positions he thinks will appeal to that group. But again, you have to watch for those unintended consequences.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...about any marijuana plan or policy that Biden has come out with. It seized on a single sentence from several months ago and then proceeded to add 99% speculation to that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)Though, if Biden does take such a position, I think it may cost him lots of votes.
But, yes, I do concede the point that most of this article may be speculation designed to generate ratings.
I do hope Biden does not propose such a thing. It would not be good policy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....wasn't definite about it. Other than that one comment, I haven't been able to find anything else specific about any policy on marijuana. I don't think he's formally addressed it yet. With everything else going on over the last month or two, that may not be one of his major priorities.
I know it's not one of my top issues or the top issue for many Americans. We've got more important things to worry about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)"Decriminalize the use of cannabis and automatically expunge all prior cannabis use convictions. Biden believes no one should be in jail because of cannabis use. As president, he will decriminalize cannabis use and automatically expunge prior convictions. And, he will support the legalization of cannabis for medical purposes, leave decisions regarding legalization for recreational use up to the states, and reschedule cannabis as a schedule II drug so researchers can study its positive and negative impacts."
https://joebiden.com/justice/
The vice article is explaining why schedule II is a bullshit reform, why Biden remains out of step, and why big pharma loves the idea.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....4398 word examination of "The Biden Plan for Strengthening Americas Commitment to Justice" and now it's being portrayed as "Joe Biden is coming for your legal weed"!
I'm not sure that either you or the writer from Vice bothered to read the sentences prior to that.
But, if it can take a gratuitous shot at the front runner, so be it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,012 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Trolling click bate by the OP!!
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lapucelle
(18,229 posts)Descheduling is a bit trickier on a federal level because DEA fulfills the our duty to comply with the terms of an international treaty to which the US is a party through its federal drug schedule.
https://www.newsweek.com/who-recommends-rescheduling-cannabis-international-law-first-time-history-1324613
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/09/28/2018-21121/schedules-of-controlled-substances-placement-in-schedule-v-of-certain-fda-approved-drugs-containing
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Uncle Joe
(58,328 posts)been screwed over or lost because of our draconian, short sighted policies against cannabis.
Thanks for the thread Voltaire.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)Did they think it was part of a Big Pharma plot?
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Uncle Joe
(58,328 posts)NORML's mission is to move public opinion sufficiently to legalize the responsible use of marijuana by adults, and to serve as an advocate for consumers to assure they have access to high quality marijuana that is safe, convenient and affordable.
https://norml.org/about
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)NORML would prefer descheduling, but the US is party to an international treaty that has drug schedule compliance conditions. I don't think the US can unilaterally deschedule cannabis on the federal level.
https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/treaties/single-convention.html
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mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And it doesn't have to be Schedule 2 to be researched heavily, only has to be bumped down from Schedule I.
Schedule 2 is the most heavily regulated (different from Schedule 1 only in the sense that Rx's are legal in most cases). This schedule implies a high risk of abuse, diversion, and addiction. It means triplicate Rx's. It means strict DEA compliance. It means putting it with Meth, Cocaine, Fentanyl, Oxycontin, Dexedrine, Adderall, etc, instead of with Heroin and LSD in Schedule I where it is now.
It's basically out of the frying pan into the fire.
If you're going to go on record to remove it from Schedule 1, why not say you want to bump it down to, like, Schedule 4, or even 5?
This is a good explanation of the Schedules ... https://www.vox.com/2014/9/25/6842187/drug-schedule-list-marijuana.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)is better addressed to those advocating for the specific change to schedule II. FDA-approved drugs containing cannabidiol (CBD) were rescheduled into category V last year.
WHO also recommends the rescheduling of cannabis.
I'm not advocating for a particular position. I'm just trying to point out some of the complexities involved on the federal level.
https://www.unodc.org/documents/commissions/CND/CND_Sessions/CND_62/41ST_ECDD_RECOMMENDATIONS_-_24_JUNE.pdf
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomangell/2019/02/01/world-health-organization-recommends-rescheduling-marijuana-under-international-treaties/#3e3db9646bcc
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)to Schedule 2 (not saying Biden, although it apparently says exactly that on his website) is definitely NOT doing MJ proponents (or indeed the public at large) any favors.
If we're going to reschedule, it should be to Schedule 5. Even 4 is too high, that contains, for example, Xanax, which is both addictive AND very possible to OD on.
There's absolutely no good cause to move it into Schedule 2 if it's going to be moved.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)and the US would still be in compliance with the Single Convention treaty. Medical marijuana would be available in all 50 states.
Some people would probably argue that those are good reasons to reschedule down one category..
The real problem is with the international treaties. They need to be updated and amended.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)It reminds me of the similarly alarmist talking point that the right wing is so fond of "The Democrats are coming for your guns!"
"Nobody should be in jail for smoking marijuana," Biden told voters at a Tuesday house party in Nashua, New Hampshire.
Asked by CNN if the former vice president supports legalizing marijuana, Andrew Bates, a Biden campaign spokesman, said Biden believes the drug should be decriminalized and that decisions on legalization should continue on the state level.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/politics/joe-biden-marijuana-decriminalization/index.html
He would allow states to continue to make their own choices regarding legalization and would seek to make it easier to conduct research on marijuanas positive and negative health impacts by rescheduling it as a schedule 2 drug, the representative said.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/marijuana/2019/05/17/joe-biden-endorses-marijuana-decriminalization-and-rescheduling-but-not-legalization/IMTpiMiXKt98vwKuPd5cFM/story.html
I'd look for additional information from a variety of sources before I'd fully endorse an opinion piece at Vice. And I'd also pay attention to anything going on with industry lobbyists.
https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/429141-boehner-to-lead-new-lobbying-group-for-cannabis
Caveat lector
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,957 posts)Btw, I agree completely with what you said about the article cited in the OP being reminiscent of "the similarly alarmist talking point that the right wing is so fond of 'The Democrats are coming for your guns!'"
I want to point out, too, that with more government research on weed, which Biden is proposing, then we could very well end up, fairly soon, with federal legalization of weed, backed by scientific research.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
33taw
(2,439 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 5, 2019, 09:17 PM - Edit history (1)
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BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)n/t
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,957 posts)about that...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Did you sit out 2016?
Because Bidens position is the same as Clintons was.
https://time.com/4449322/hillary-clinton-marijuana-schedule-dea/?amp=true
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)Last time I checked two wrongs dont make a right.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)Times have changed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Of the dotard.
Seriously, if thats how you feel, you are not a democrat and should go somewhere else to post that kind of nonsense.
If you looked at the comments 99% of those here posting their opinions will vote for the democratic nominee regardless of who it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(23,078 posts)I really hope he evolves quickly on this because the above idea isn't helpful now. Things on the ground have changed drastically and he needs to change too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)It should be legal, period, with the same rules in place as the states who have already legalized it for both medical and recreational use.
If Joe becomes our nominee, I really hope he considers replacing his personal views against pot with the views of the majority of people in this country who want to see it legalized across the board.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)Schedule 2 are pretty hard to get, compared to the lower schedules. More paperwork. More oversight by DEA. New prescription every time, no refills. Know what else are Schedule 2? Cocaine, amphetamine.
Marinol (pure THC in a capsule) was moved from 2 to 3 in 1999 because it had been too difficult for patients to get it.
On the plus side, you might be able to get a legit prescription for MJ in a state that never enacted medical MJ, with lots of hassle. But in states that already have medical, this doesn't really help anything, since the procedures for obtaining it there are less stringent than for a schedule 2.
As for Joe's comments that no one should go to jail for weed, good for him. But it's pretty inconsistent with wanting to make weed a Schedule 2, since unauthorized possession of a Schedule 2 will send you to jail every time. And possessing it in compliance with a state medical or recreational law is not authorized possession under federal law. So congrats tokers, now in the eyes of federal law, you'll merely be on par with a recreational cocaine user, rather than a heroin user. I suppose it is an improvement, but not a very significant one.
For now I could give Joe the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't fully understand the implications of his proposal, and take him at his word that he doesn't want to jail people for weed. His proposal would have been a good one about 20 years ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Biden has already said hes fine with leaving legality up to the states.
Now that may not be satisfactory to many (its not to me), but it sure hell doesnt warrant the joe is coming for your legal weed nonsense articles.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RGTIndy
(203 posts)Marijuana is currently a Schedule 1, meaning that it can't be prescribed at all and is per se illegal under federal law. Yet there is now a thriving marijuana industry in states where is has been legalized and medical marijuana in many more states than that. Making it "more legal" under Federal law would not change what is happening in the states so long as the same "hands off" approach is taken regarding what happens in the states. The key there is the federal attitude toward state cannabis initiatives, not what its DEA schedule is. However, as things stand now, changing from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2 is a worthwhile step toward legalization nation-wide and would help people raise a medical necessity defense in states where marijuana is still strictly illegal.
I'm for full legalization, but moving to Schedule 2 is a significant step federally (provided it is just that, a step).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,229 posts)Alarmist fear mongering is not helpful. The last thing Democrats need is for the folks on Facebook, etc. to start telling their friends "this is disqualifying" based on misinformation.
I also find it troubling that Vice stoops to using a common right wing messaging tactic in a clickbait headline.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)The Vice article is wrong in many respects https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/politics/joe-biden-marijuana-decriminalization/index.html
"Nobody should be in jail for smoking marijuana," Biden told voters at a Tuesday house party in Nashua, New Hampshire.
Asked by CNN if the former vice president supports legalizing marijuana, Andrew Bates, a Biden campaign spokesman, said Biden believes the drug should be decriminalized and that decisions on legalization should continue on the state level.
"As he said [Tuesday], Vice President Biden does not believe anyone should be in jail simply for smoking or possessing marijuana. He supports decriminalizing marijuana and automatically expunging prior criminal records for marijuana possession, so those affected don't have to figure out how to petition for it or pay for a lawyer," Bates said in a statement to CNN.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)what is the huge push for this states rights attitude?
if he leaves it up to the states people will still go to jail over mj,
,people will still lose their children over it
harris ideas on this are no better
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)and still reacted to it!
It's a shit article. Stop acting like cultists some of you. #Gullible
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedovepdx
(28 posts)Despite cannabis possession and use being legal in my state my employer has stated that testing positive for THC is a fireable offense. The reason given is the status of cannabis at the federal level. So it's not really legal for Oregonians whose employers have the same policy. Hillary last election campaigned on changing the status from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2 which did Oregonians no good. The same applies to the Biden policy. It's bad policy with real-life implications. It's one of many reasons I can't/won't support Biden during the primary process. He must bring his brain into the modern world. It must be made legal at the federal level. Essential is a candidate who supports this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Nevada just passed a law that prevents employers from testing for marijuana for in pre-employment screening. Oregon can do the same.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1440037001
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedovepdx
(28 posts)It's not just about preemployment screening. Employees can be required to be tested any time during their employment. This isn't about Oregon. This is about selecting a candidate who realizes the current federal policy and law sucks. The merits warrant legalization. Candidates stuck in the past will not get my vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)There isnt a good way to determine if someone is high at the moment or if theyve just used it in the past.
Just because something is legal, doesnt mean employers cant fire you if they think youre intoxicated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
If an employee is intoxicated they should investigate the behavior. For us it's random. No cause is needed. Management keeps employees fearful. People can get super drunk the night before but make it to work on time and perform ok and that's acceptable. Consume THC from an edible, bud or tincture and that's unacceptable because the federal government says so. That has been the company reason and policy. The federal government can at least take away the reason. We need leaders who will do all they can to make it happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elocs
(22,562 posts)Maybe I need to change from Undecided to Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluedovepdx
(28 posts)Only if your sentiment falls with a candidate that does not believe in federal legalization.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)Disproportionately people of color. But hey no big deal for you, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)biden is totally out of touch on this
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)impending and Joe Biden the only candidate with foreign policy gravitas, knowledge, and experience hands-on, but you are stirring it up over WEED.
Thanks for the alert. I think most people can get marijuana. ActUally, it is far less expensive outside dispensaries.
Bidens decriminalization of it is a right step for now. This is a wedge issue we dont need in this election.
Let the states decide. Biden is not stopping that.
As to edibles for painmy God. Marijuana cookies and brownies dont even need a recipe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)over the years of Obama's administration. What I do remember is his good relationships in and understanding of this general region and reading not too long ago that he felt issues related to Pakistan were of even greater immediate concern than those in Iran.
Thanks for adding some huge perspective to the phony little dialogue we're being encouraged to squabble over. (And WHY is that!)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)see Pakistan and India with the potential to be where nuclear conflict could break out, as there has been a past near disaster and recently an issue that brings them closer to the edge. Thank you for
educating me.
I have felt that Biden has a grasp of the geo-political situation that underlies many potential and present conflict areas across the globe, that of all candidates, Biden is best prepared to deal with the very tricky balancing act each situation presents.
And now,yes, I remember his discussing India and Pakistan, but just was generally impressed then.
Now I see in reading the news the meaning of some of what Biden had discussed or written about.
Enjoy the light your posts shed...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)phony little issue boxes allow ourselves to be herded into to squabble in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NNadir
(33,509 posts)I oppose full legalization here in New Jersey, and everywhere else.
This is not the same as stating I favor heavy criminal penalties, but I advocate for fines with the revenue being geared for drug information.
I do feel the same way about cigarettes, by the way, although it would never pass, but I love high cigarette taxes.
Marijuana is NOT good for you, period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Charts are nice but tend to be very vanilla.
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aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Now even a majority of Republicans favor legalization.
All age groups favor legalization.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/243908/two-three-americans-support-legalizing-marijuana.aspx
But I can't find anything on other demographic categories.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NNadir
(33,509 posts)This is known as the bandwagon fallacy.
It is not true that because George W. Bush was enormously popular in 2002 that he was a good president.
Support for marijuana legalization does not make marijuana good for you. It isn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)I understand they are some negatives associated with cannabis use, but we can handle it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NNadir
(33,509 posts)Cigarettes killed my father, slowly, and in great pain. That also doesn't imply that pot is good for you, even though cigarettes are legal and pot isn't.
I'm not in favor of draconian drug laws, but this said, as I know people personally, who I love - my nephew for instance - who can't handle pot. He's depressed and although bright, doesn't want to do very much except, um, smoke weed. Thus your editorial "we" doesn't impress me, as I'm an old man who grew up in the 1960's and know more about pot than I wish to know.
I will simply say that I am against expanding free access to drug use.
My Governor, for whom I voted, is in favor of pot legalization, and I am opposed to his proposal to do so although both he and I are Democrats.
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jcgoldie
(11,623 posts)That's your claim.
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NNadir
(33,509 posts)My mailbox is stuffed every morning with biomedical literature, so much that I couldn't possibly read it all, but I scan as much as I can because, um, it's my job.
I also spend a significant amount of my time hanging out in libraries and taking initiative to find things out.
Google scholar is your friend:
This year, 2019, which is not over, there are 2800 hits for the search terms (marijuana use adolescent brain).
Here's the first ten of 2800 abstracts:
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T204. Caudate Volume and Emotional Lability in Marijuana Using Adolescents
R Hodgson, P Subramaniam
- Biological
, 2019 - biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com
related problems, but few studies have focused on associated brain regions. The current study
examines the association between adolescent marijuana use, emotional lability, and subcortical
Twenty-seven adolescents (mean age17.4 years) with current marijuana use disorder
8 Marijuana Use and Abuse in Adolescence
DM Litt, JR Kilmer, SF Tapert
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Handbook of Adolescent
, 2019 - books.google.com
Moreover, adolescent marijuana users show an altered cerebral blood flow compared to controls
(Jacobus et al., 2012), which appears to remit after 4 weeks of monitored abstinence
However,
alcohol and marijuana Marijuana Use and Abuse in Adolescence 173
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Association of Prenatal Cannabis Exposure With Psychosis Proneness Among Children in the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development (ABCD) Study
JD Fine, AL Moreau, NR Karcher, A Agrawal
- JAMA
, 2019 - jamanetwork.com
We used data from the ongoing Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development (ABCD) study (data
abcdstudy.org/) to test whether maternal report of cannabis use during pregnancy is
the association
between offspring psychosis proneness and prenatal marijuana exposure before (0
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[HTML] Marijuana use among adolescents is associated with deleterious alterations in mature BDNF
MJ Miguez, W Chan, L Espinoza, R Tarter
- AIMS Public
, 2019 - ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Finally, results indicated the importance of analyzing marijuana across the different phases of
adolescence, as it can be more informative when determining long-term impact
It is clear from
the data amassed herein that the adolescent body registers marijuana use as a
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Cannabis use in youth is associated with limited alterations in brain structure
JC Scott, AFG Rosen, TM Moore, DR Roalf
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, 2019 - nature.com
Substantial neurodevelopment occurs from adolescence to the mid-20s, including increased
psychoactive response to cannabis, has been implicated in adolescent neurodevelopmental
changes
6]. Thus, there are increasing concerns whether cannabis use during adolescence
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The Effects of Marijuana Use on Transitions through Stages of Alcohol Involvement for Men and Women in the NESARC I and II
KM Green, B Reboussin, LR Pacek, CL Storr
- Substance use &
, 2019 - Taylor & Francis
Adolescent brain development and the risk for alcohol and other drug problems.
Neuropsychology Review, 20(4), 398413
Current patterns of marijuana use initiation by
age among US adolescents and emerging adults: Implications for intervention
All 3 versions
Associations between adolescent cannabis use frequency and adult brain structure: a prospective study of boys followed to adulthood
MH Meier, RA Schriber, J Beardslee, J Hanson
- Drug and alcohol
, 2019 - Elsevier
reports of age-of-onset of cannabis use do not capture important individual differences in
frequency and duration of cannabis use in adolescence, which may be
To jointly account for
age-of-onset, frequency, and duration of adolescent cannabis use, we mapped
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Grey matter volume differences associated with extremely low levels of cannabis use in adolescence
C Orr, P Spechler, Z Cao, M Albaugh
- Journal of
, 2019 - Soc Neuroscience
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Personality traits and negative consequences associated with binge drinking and marijuana use in college students
DS O'Leary, DR Langbehn, JR Kramer
- The American journal
, 2019 - Taylor & Francis
consequences associated with differing patterns of alco- hol and marijuana use (eg, poor
academic perfor- mance, low self-esteem
The 'dual systems' (16,22) and 'matura- tional imbalance'
(23) models of adolescent risk-taking describe adolescence/young adulthood as a
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Orbitofrontal cortex volume prospectively predicts cannabis and other substance use onset in adolescents
NE Wade, KS Bagot, CI Cota, A Fotros
- Journal of
, 2019 - journals.sagepub.com
View. Explore More. Orbitofrontal cortex volume prospectively predicts cannabis and other
substance use onset in adolescents. Show all authors Natasha E Wade 1 Natasha E Wade.
1Department of Psychiatry, University of California, San Diego, CA, USA View ORCID profile.
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It happens to me a lot when I make a claim based on general knowledge (knowledge that I worked hard to accumulate) that I am often challenged to "produce a study." Apparently many people think that it is my job to provide their educations, although in these times, with all the excellent libraries and tools available, it is relatively easy for people to educate themselves, often at no cost.
I am on many biomedical alert mailing lists, and, despite my best efforts to get off of them, many commercial cannabis mailing lists because pot is becoming, much to my regret, big business, and is peripherally involved with what I do for a living.
But even if I were unable to produce studies, not that if I do so anyone will actually read them if it doesn't agree with their bias, I am an old man who has lived a long time, known many people, many of whom were regular pot users and my own experience teaches me that pot is not good for you, period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Prohibition has not been a great obstacle for many youth.
But legalizing it, taxing it, and putting funds in health care and education could help those youth attracted to excessive cannabis use.
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NNadir
(33,509 posts)...for cigarette taxes and alcohol taxes.
The reality however is that no one really follows up to see if these taxes end up in the general fund.
I personally do not believe that the physiological damage associated with pot use ends when one turns 21.
I also note that the use of the legal, and undoubtedly worse drugs alcohol and tobacco is higher among adolescents than pot use is. This I take as evidence that it is not a good idea to expand access to any drug.
In any case an argument that Joe Biden is a bad guy because he's restrained in his enthusiasm for legal pot does not translate into a productive argument. There are children living in cages for crying out loud!
Our sybartic interest in the importance of getting high in light of this state of affairs is a little questionable at this point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)But I hate even more that we put many more US minors and adults in cages we call jail and prison for weed.
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NNadir
(33,509 posts)...does not translate in to enthusiasm for draconian drug laws, many of which are popular with grateful racists.
Stating this is not equivalent to saying that I find it desirable that one can drive down to a pot store as one can drive to a liquor store.
I am certainly not in favor of making pot a critical factor in government revenue. I'd rather just pay higher taxes to fund good government.
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betsuni
(25,442 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BootinUp
(47,135 posts)The bottle. It aint going back in.
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)p.s.
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Voltaire2
(12,977 posts)Rofl all you want. Biden is a drug warrior being dragged reluctantly toward some half assed middle ground on legalization.
Hes stuck in the 90s.
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quickesst
(6,280 posts)..... Is the bottom anywhere close?
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
duforsure
(11,885 posts)This is just one of them. I think with the majority of Americans it should be federally made legal, at the least for medical use, but would prefer it totally legalized. Others do support it more than he does, and will get their votes over him, in the primaries and even some by not voting in the general election. His position on this is still in the past, and he knows there's more than enough studies showing its medically more beneficial than many other harmful drugs being peddled every day by big pharma, and 24 / 7 over the tv. He's losing voters doing this by taking this past position. I do have other reasons but on this one the majority is not with him on this. What's more dangerous is it not being regulated and controlled, and putting the safety into it , instead of keeping a thriving black market going where anything goes in some area's. I think he's trying to play it safe on this, and it won't work. Red donnie will say anything then turn around and use it to round up minorities with it by way of weaponizing it.
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Tarc
(10,476 posts)like cannabis legalization.
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Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided