Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhy is the Sanders campaign (and its fans) doxxing liberal critics on Twitter??
This isn't the first time, either...
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FarPoint
(12,209 posts)Infestation with the Sanders Campaign... especially back in 2016 ... Apparently they have returned...Sanders is unsuspecting of such shenanigans...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)They were ruthless in the last election and then a bunch of them stayed home because he didn't win the nomination. Some may be Russian trolls, but he has a few trolls of his own. I don't believe they are clueless to this going on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Most Sanders supporters voted for Clinton but nevermind nuance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
do you know? They were pretty nasty then. Besides I only support true members of the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FarPoint
(12,209 posts)N/T
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)Sanders supporters were actually more supportive of the Democratic nominee than other voters were in the previous contested election. 12 % of Sanders supporters voted for Trump over Clinton. Compare that with 2008 when 17 % of Clinton supporters voted for McCain over Obama.
More.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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lapucelle
(18,040 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:19 PM - Edit history (1)
https://dataverse.harvard.edu/file.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/GDF6Z0/RK0ONG&version=4.0Stephen Ansolabehere, PI (Harvard University)
Brian Schaffner, co-PI (University of Massachusetts Amherst)
Sam Luks, co-PI (YouGov)
August 2017
The 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study was supported by the National Science Foundation Award # 1559125.
Here's a direct link to the pdf.
https://dataverse.harvard.edu/api/access/datafile/:persistentId?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/GDF6Z0/RK0ONG
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)to try to reach comparative conclusions about numbers in the relative whole sets and/or about numbers in any subsets (i.e. states).
That's what makes the numbers data about the Sanders to Trump voters in WI, MI, and PA so stunningly revealing.
And that's why it's important to look at all of the facts, including the data.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)and before, if you don't have those you're just posting meaningless numbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)Do a search.
If you want to save yourself some time, however, simply ask yourself whether the numbers you seek exceed the margin of victory in any crucial swing state, thus costing the candidate who won the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes an electoral college victory predicated on 76,000 votes across three specific states.
And remember that no matter what the numbers data (or for that matter the relative percentages data) might say, the fact remains that the "Hillary to a non Democrat voters" did not cost Democrats the 2008 election.
Democrats won that year.
Therefore the numbers I posted are very meaningful.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)You should stop posting such things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Its difficult to count uncast votes, but there were clearly thousands of them as a result of the voter-suppression measures. In 2014, according to a Wisconsin federal court, three hundred thousand registered voters in that state lacked the forms of identification that Republican legislators deemed necessary to cast their ballots. (The G.O.P. likes some forms of I.D. better than others. In Texas, a gun permit works; student identification does not.) In Milwaukee County, which has a large African-American population, sixty thousand fewer votes were cast in 2016 than in 2012. To put it another way, Clinton received forty-three thousand fewer votes in that county than Barack Obama dida number that is nearly double Trumps margin of victory in all of Wisconsin.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/12/12/the-real-voting-scandal-of-2016
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
But they likely weren't going to vote for a Democrat anyway.
The bigger question we should be asking is, "why did we lose so many of our core Democrats to Trump?" Why did 42% of union members vote for trump? Or 8% of registered Democrats? Or 14% of LGBT voters?
Or this one; 28% of Latino voters went for trump! With all the shit he spewed about "drug dealers", "rapists" etc., what made 28% of Latino voters support him? He actually got more support from Latino voters than Obama did in 2012.
Or how about women? 41% thought that the pussy-grabber was a better choice than a female candidate. Even 7% of Democratic women voted for him. WTF!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)Comparing data from the voter file vendor Catalist and the U.S. Census Bureau, the researchers concluded: Without those shifts in turnout from various racial and ethnic groups, these pivotal states might have gone not to Trump but to Clinton giving Clinton an electoral college victory.
The study, published Monday in the Washington Posts Monkey Cage blog, found that between 2012 and 2016, white voter turnout jumped 2.4 percent nationally, while black voter turnout fell 4.7 percent.
The split was even more dramatic in the midwestern states that tipped the scales for Trump. In Ohio, black voter turnout dropped 7.5 percent; in Wisconsin, it declined 12.3 percent; and in Michigan, it was down 12.4 percent.
2016 was an election cycle in which Trumps margin of victory was one of the narrowest in U.S. history. It came down to about 78,000 votes in three states, including Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Its hard not to wonder, then, how the decrease in turnout among black voters might have affected the outcome. In Michigan, where 14 percent of residents are black, Trump won by 10,704 votes of 4.8 million cast. In Pennsylvania, he won by 44,000 of 6.2 million cast with blacks making up more than a tenth of the population. Clinton wins those states, and the 2016 race is essentially a tie.
The block of white voters who backed Trump is much bigger than the block of black voters who stayed home. (About 5 million white Obama 2012 voters supported Trump; about 1.6 million black voters stayed home.) But in an election where tweaking any number of dials might have changed the result, its interesting to consider the ramifications in the shift in black turnout.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/03/12/4-4-million-2012-obama-voters-stayed-home-in-2016-more-than-a-third-of-them-black/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,138 posts)"Among the most unjust consequences of ... branding Clinton as an establishment tool was the effect on young African Americans. Their parents -- particularly their mothers -- were virtually solid in their support for Clinton, and that wasn't the result of her racial 'pandering' (as Trump later suggested) but rather Hillary's quiet, steady work, over decades, on issues of 'kitchen-table' important to black families and the relationships she had built with black leaders. That history was either unknown or ignored ... ; Clinton 'has to be willing to get out of what's comfortable and get on the streets,' said one, obviously ignorant of the fact that at the age of twenty-four, Hillary had been a civil rights activist who went undercover to investigate discrimination in public schools. Hilary was also the first candidate to pay attention to the Flint, Michigan water crisis, joining forces with Flint's mayor ... . But like Clinton's work on LGBTQ issues, decades old rather than campaign inspired, none of this made it into flashy stories headlining her lifelong commitment to racial, gender, and sexual justice."
Instead we heard "super-predator." "She also apologized profusely for using the 'super-predator' label, even though in her speech it was not aimed at African American youth but the dealers who exploited them. (I strongly suspect 'predator,' for child-advocate Clinton, was less inflected racially than with connotations of child abuse.) But for too many millennials, both black and white, '1994 Crime Bill' and 'super-predator' said all one needed to know about Clinton. Some spoke as though she was personally responsible for the spike in mass incarceration that was a consequence of her husband's bill."
Susan Bordo
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,827 posts)Donald Trump succeeded in shaping the election agenda. Coverage of Trump overwhelmingly outperformed coverage of Clinton. Clintons coverage was focused on scandals, while Trumps coverage focused on his core issues.
Attempts by the Clinton campaign to define her campaign on competence, experience, and policy positions were drowned out by coverage of alleged improprieties associated with the Clinton Foundation and emails. Coverage of Trump associated with immigration, jobs, and trade was greater than that on his personal scandals.
...https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,138 posts)"Why did Clinton fail to perform better among women voters? One reason is the weaker gender solidarity among women. For example, in the September 2016 ... Presidential Election Panel Study, only about a third of women said that being a woman was 'extremely important' to their identity, while 61 percent of blacks said their race was 'extremely important.' That lack of gender solidarity was politically consequential too. Hillary Clinton was significantly less popular than Obama was among the majority of women who did not see gender as extremely important to their identities. Thus, Clinton's performance among women in both the Democratic primary and the general election confirmed past research showing that race and partisanship are more important than gender in how people vote. The salience of race and partisanship helps explain why Clinton lost white women by 9 points -- a deficit larger than Barack Obama's in 2008 and Al Gore's in 2000.
"A more important explanation for the drop in African American turn-out had to do with Obama and Clinton themselves. When Obama ran in 2008 and 2012, black turnout was over 5 percent higher than it had been in any election on record. Obama's two campaigns confirmed research showing that African-Americans' in-group identity -- their identification with blacks as a group -- impacts how they think and act in politics. ... It was arguably unrealistic to expect similarly high levels of black turnout for a white democratic candidate in 2016. That does not mean that Clinton was unpopular among African-Americans.
"The activation of racial attitudes helped Trump more than Clinton. Despite the ongoing alignment of racial attitudes and partisanship, as of 2012 a substantial minority of white Obama voters still expressed less favorable views of immigration, undocumented immigrants, African Americans and other minority groups. Trump's appeal to these voters helped ensure that Obama supporters in 2012 who voted for Trump in 2016 outnumbered Romney supporters who voted for Clinton. And because these voters were disproportionately represented in battle ground states such as Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, they helped Trump win the Electoral College -- especially when the coalition that elected Obama did not show up for Clinton in comparable numbers. Before the election the prevailing wisdom was that the country's growing diversity would help the Democrats continue to win the White House. Trump's victory showed that the backlash against that diversity could be a winning issue, too."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,138 posts)"Although Latino group identity has grown stronger over time, Latinos still vary in how much they identify with other Latinos, which depends on factors such as their country of origin, generation, immigration experiences, socioeconomic status, and English proficiency. Moreover, Latinos who identify less strongly with other Latinos are less likely to respond to appeals to ethnic identity, which are often the go-to tactic for Democratic candidates who want to mobilize Latinos. Similarly, Latinos with a weaker identity are harder to mobilize in response to xenophobic rhetoric. Before 2016, Democrats had built considerable support among Latinos with a stronger group identity. In 2012, the ANES showed that Obama won the support of nearly 90 percent of Latinos who said that being Hispanic was an 'extremely important' part of their identity, as well as about 90 percent of Latinos with a strong sense of linked fate with other Latinos. But about 19 percent of Latinos said that being Hispanic was 'not at all' or only 'a little' important to their identity, and fewer than 50 percent of them voted for Obama. Support for Obama also dropped to 70 percent among those with a weaker sense of linked fate. In 2016, the same patterns held. Latinos with weaker group identities did not rally to Clinton, despite Trump's rhetoric ... . Latinos with a weak group identity were still much less likely to support Clinton -- about 40 points less likely -- than were Latinos with the strongest identity. This relationship was essentially the same as in 2012."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I have been volunteering on voter protection issues for a long time. I was part of the Clinton Victory Counsel program and helped run the Texas statewide voter protection program yes there was voter suppression in Wisconsin but there was also efforts by Putin and Stein that also cost Clinton the election
In the real world there can be multiple causative events each of which contribute to an outcome. The existence of voter suppression was one cause but the efforts of Stein played a role also
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,097 posts)TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO PARTY SYSTEM
which means a no vote or a vote for anyone other than a Democrat is a vote for fascist killers
Which means ANYONE who does NOT vote for whoever the dem is is GUILTY OF THE SAME CRIMES RUMP IS GUILTY OF
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Steven Maurer
(455 posts)In fact, most 2016 Sanders supporters aren't even supporting him this time around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TheRealNorth
(9,435 posts)We should be enlisting their help to go after Republicans
I am done with the "They go low, we go high" BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lunasun
(21,646 posts)is heavy on DNC manipulation that kept him out
Good luck
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....was the first to call for the doxxing. He hired her, she's in his inner circle. Why is she still working for him?
This is what started it, it's HER tweet using her official campaign twitter account:
National Press Secretary #BernieSanders2020.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,073 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)to play innocent when it's been reported he micromanages his campaign. He's the one who hired them.
The way candidates run their campaign is the way they'd run the office if won.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...she was "naive"? Why doesn't she appear on MSNBC, I'm sure they'd have her, so she can address her issues directly with them instead of sicking their followers on a tweeter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FarPoint
(12,209 posts)Just food for thought....just saying, this is where my mood is today...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)then the people who hired her can be assumed to be Russian operatives as well.
I am reminded of paragraph 43 of Mueller's IRA indictment
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
43. By 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,965 posts)Democratic nominee
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)The "shenanigans" start and end with him. Well, they actually start and continue at his orders. It's who he is as a person.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...."The buck stops here"!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They have names.
It is true that a major Russian social media tactic has been to AUGMENT, spreading far, wide, and very frequently the hostile messages from Sanders' and Trump's campaigns, plus extras as opportunities suggest. The "surrogates" speak and Russia copies what it likes and targets it to most American voters. Their FB messages alone were delivered personally to 126 million Americans.
Worth noting that, obviously, this creates an incentive for the wrong kind of people to create messages that Russia feels are especially poisonous and especially worth spreading.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Campaign co-chair Nina Turner - Jill Stein voter
National Speechwriter David Sirota - Jill Stein voter
National Press Secretary Briahna Joy Gray - Jill Stein voter
And top adviser to the campaign, Cornell West - Jill Stein voter
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)#UsefulNewVerbs
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)This is not how Democratic candidates campaign, it's just not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)No matter what candidate it is.
"Unsuspecting"? That gets supervisors fired in my world.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Link to tweet
?lang=en
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)something that was untrue?
Doxxing is such a ***** move.
Mahalo, Blue_Tires
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PunkinPi
(4,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)It's the same thing that happened with those young women who dared to ask Bernie probing questions at the CNN town halls.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,073 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)coming the second BS hired Sirota and he deleted over 20,000 of his tweets.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)..."Documenting", i.e., doxxing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)SMH
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)then publishing it on the internet with malicious intent.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,271 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)conducting this doxxing campaign. And it's not the first time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)"Brigading is an online harassment tactic where a group of people rally against an individual (or occasionally against a small group of people) in a coordinated, sustained and organized way." -- for those who don't know.
Brigading, swatting, etc. People have breakdowns and go into hiding at safe houses over this garbage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,271 posts)democracy.
And I suppose these days one really has to be strong enough to just stop visiting these sites, or just ignore the attacks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
irisblue
(32,829 posts)FTR, "swatting" is calling local law enforcement and reporting shots fired of dead bodies or a suicide attempt.
Wiki-"Swatting is a criminal harassment tactic of deceiving an emergency service (via such means as hoaxing an emergency services dispatcher) into sending a police and emergency service response team to another person's address. This is triggered by false reporting of a serious law enforcement emergency, such as a bomb threat, murder, hostage situation, or other alleged incident. It can also be triggered by a false report of a "mental health" emergency, such as reporting that a person is allegedly suicidal or homicidal and may or may not be armed.[3] In the United States, the maximum prison sentence handed down by a court in March 2019 on a swatter was 20 years in jail for a fatal 2017 swatting violation.[4]"
Earlier this week author Ijeoma Oluo home was 'swatted'. Her son was alone and sleeping.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,271 posts)Was a call from California into a home in the Midwest someplace.
Just extra load on the already strained police force.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)If the person swatted is a person of color, and most especially if the person is Black, it's a straight out attempted murder. Cops kill African Americans for such things as holding a cell phone, playing in the park, driving down the highway, standing in their yard, and many other everyday things. Anyone who calls the cops on a Black person who is not an immediate threat to others is risking killing them, and swatting them is trying to murder them.
Senator Sanders might end up claiming he is too busy to see what is going on in his campaign again, but after the egregious behavior in his campaign the last time, he has no excuse this time. His top staffers are harassing and encouraging others to harass his critics, and he is responsible for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rictofen
(235 posts)by analyzing social media histories, forum posts, security footage, etc. Quite often, these "experts" ID the wrong person, and then it's highly likely that the misidentified person's life - and perhaps the lives of those close to them - gets turned upside down, or worse: death threats; targeted vandalism; ruined relationships; destroyed careers. You name it.
We can see that the doxxing is opposed in this case. That stance should prevail regardless of the personal politics of doxxors and doxxees.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
msongs
(67,199 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)fake populist slogans, unachievable platitudes that sound good and dirty tricks/ratfucking.
Not surprising at all.
I want one of his supporters condemn this -- just one -- but it won't happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Played a game of "who said it" comparing Biden to Trump.
Seems people are starting to get who he and those he surrounds himself are. The question in your op isn't necessary. It's at the core of their existence.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....just outlines and bullet points.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FreeLookMode
(30 posts)Hello,
Be gentle with me. First post. I don't fully understand twitter, and I'm not a very big social media user. I pretty much think that the communities of places like youtube, facebook, and other sites where comments can be made are among the most sick and toxic communities I've ever seen.
Because of that, I think that anonymity on the internet breeds lack of accountability for behavior. Doxxing is when someone reveals the real world identity of an online user, is that right?
I don't think doing that is appropriate behavior for a campaign. But I have to say... I feel like if people couldn't hide behind anonymity on the internet the world would be a much different and better place.
My name is Andrew Yoder, and I live in Eugene Oregon.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)It's wrong to Dox. That's their private information. Those who dox are just little tattle tales 'cause they can't the truth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)by their fruits ye shall know them
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomCADem
(17,378 posts)Nt
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....on twitter. They were so relentlessly nasty the poor woman deleted her account.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,669 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
That is an interesting development.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Just a guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to Gothmog (Reply #112)
Celerity This message was self-deleted by its author.
liberal N proud
(60,302 posts)Their guy.
I am sure some others here recall the time as well.
A campaign such as this is dangerous and a sure fire way to give trump another win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)This is unethical, unprofessional, and just plain disgusting.
Any candidate who doesn't possess the requisite moral center to do the right thing in a case like this should never serve as president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)played innocent after the doxxing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,040 posts)No one can claim ignorance this time around.
Her employment by and association with any Democratic campaign should be
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)and other camps are called supporters?
Sanders still has 12-20% polling support. Disagreement with tactics is all good, but more respect for fellow Democrats who support different candidates than ourselves would be a good move for this board.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(42,669 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,300 posts)even though I've yet to see anything in the mainstream press about this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,929 posts)Mahalo!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Be honest and answer a direct question - why are Sanders supporters called fans? Do you call Biden supporters fans?
This kind of misdirection prevents working toward consensus on issues and maximizing electoral strength. Sanders is the second most popular candidate for the Democratic nomination, with Elizabeth Warren close. This indicates an interest in systematic change, not bob and weave politics. The issues are too grave for misdirection and games. You do this board and the electorate a disservice by not focusing on the issues and respecting the preferences of 12/18/20% of primary voters who support Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)I see this 'fan' thing a lot. It's most certainly used deliberately.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I think it's really important to respect differences in which candidates we support. The lack of respect for Sanders supporters is quite obvious on this board, and it's disappointing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)won't get much sympathy from me. They are looking for action.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,929 posts)like what truths they've told are trying to scare others into keeping quiet.
In the end it is their karma that will come calling and it won't be pretty.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)You dont get to make up your own definition of words.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Are any other campaigns engaging in this behavior? Is this behavior acceptable?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,300 posts)Not sure how or where it doesn't fit. Here are multiple sources that all include revealing the personal identity of the victim. I bolded the relevant parts:
http://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/doxxing/
Doxxing is a cyber attack that involves discovering the real identity of an Internet user. The attacker then reveals that persons details so others can target them with malicious attacks. Doxxing is analyzing information posted online by the victim in order to identify and later harass that person.
https://www.howtogeek.com/402764/what-is-doxxing-and-why-is-it-bad/
https://grammarist.com/new-words/doxing-and-doxxing/
https://cyberbullying.org/doxing-and-cyberbullying
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Cha
(295,929 posts)cover to those in the OP who were Busted for what now?.. oh yeah, Doxxing. Shocking.
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betsuni
(25,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,163 posts)The intent is to silence the doxxing victim.
This practice should be repudiated. Period.
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melman
(7,681 posts)but twitter doesn't consider any of that private information.
https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-information
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George II
(67,782 posts)I'm sure by now, with the brouhaha that arose, much of what has been revealed has been deleted.
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melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,762 posts)Isn't that whar doxing is? All he did was post a screen cap of the companies he represents with no identifying information. He kept him anonymous, he just fleshed out what "reporter" Brian Williams left out. But damn, the whisperer was exposed for what he is. I see now the reason for the vitriol he aims at Bernie. Twenty-one big one's... among others. From reading his page it must be a full-time job. I called him a jackass whisper when his tweets trashing AOC were posted.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)We prohibit behavior that encourages others to harass or target specific individuals or groups with abusive behavior. This includes, but is not limited to; calls to target people with abuse or harassment online and behavior that urges offline action such as physical harassment.
https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/abusive-behavior
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radius777
(3,624 posts)that exists on both the right and left, that are mostly white movements. Most such people are not Democrats and voted for Green/DSA/Libertarian/etc in the recent past.
Historically oppressed groups (PoC, women, gays, etc) who have legitimate reason to 'revolt' and 'act stupid' don't do this and mainly attempt to peacefully work through the centrist structure of the Dem party, ie 'wait their turn', yet others that are more privileged don't think they need to wait or show respect to those that worked for their place at the table.
Most Sanders supporters are regular Democratic voters - why it is so important for him to denounce these ugly anti-Dem elements on social media that claim to support him.
Having a different opinion, especially within a Dem primary, should not open one up to doxxing, bullying or abuse of any kind.
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Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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tishaLA
(14,176 posts)Most of those other folks are just anonymous assholes, but Sam isn't and he needs to be more responsible about doxxing people. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone retweeted that slip and alerted MSNBC that one of its contributors was engaging in doxxing. MSNBC fired Sam once before for a BS reason, but firing him for this would be something else entirely.
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melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)See also the twitter feeds of: Nina Turner, David Sirota, Bri Gray, Dr Dooley...
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Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Ask me if I'm shocked.
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Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Thanks for keeping me updated on your reading habits. Much appreciated.
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Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Ms. Angelou was a strong Obama and Hillary supporter who didn't need help remembering her own advice. This is now the second time for Sanders and the people he hires counting by national elections, and this is the nth-dozen time counting by similarly defining actions.
Copied here for any who missed it posted above,
https://www.vettingbernie.org/2019/08/doxxing-dissent-how-bernie-sanders.html
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I was initially surprised (no one gets only 4%!), but I guess 6 and 7 decades is enough time for almost everyone to have learned to recognize all types. I OD'd on this one back in the 1960s and 70s.
I'm going to also guess the WTF rate is very high among older liberals for someone who believes we're really mostly the same as Republicans. My people! Would love to meet some for drinks and discuss it.
Oh, well. This The Hill article says what itcalls "Democratic" strategists think he's just too visionary for America's most reliable voting demographic. Nooo, that wouldn't be it. My own best guess is that, like Angelou, they just learned long ago to check pols for their BS quotients.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/460161-bernie-sanders-struggles-to-win-over-older-voters
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Cha
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