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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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Why is the Sanders campaign (and its fans) doxxing liberal critics on Twitter?? (Original Post) Blue_Tires Aug 2019 OP
I've always sensed a Russian troll FarPoint Aug 2019 #1
I work with a bunch of Sanders supporters. redstatebluegirl Aug 2019 #4
few may be an understatement nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #18
Blaming the failure on Bernie Bros. MarcA Aug 2019 #22
How DownriverDem Aug 2019 #37
Ditto. FarPoint Aug 2019 #45
Statistics. progressoid Aug 2019 #48
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #64
Data generally is enlightening. lapucelle Aug 2019 #65
For those who really like data, here's a link to the complete study. lapucelle Aug 2019 #67
Thank you for posting these facts Gothmog Aug 2019 #70
There is a real problem in scope shift when anyone uses overall percentages lapucelle Aug 2019 #74
So what are the matching stats from 2008? Lordquinton Aug 2019 #75
If you want the data, it's probably on line somewhere. lapucelle Aug 2019 #78
Those are inconvenient facts. MineralMan Aug 2019 #98
Yeah.. and how many voted for Stein? Cha Aug 2019 #76
Apparently most of his campaign staff. And his wife. GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #80
Yeah, BS' top staff hires... and thousands more.. Cha Aug 2019 #81
GOP voter suppression was even BIGGER EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #126
Yes, I know Cha Aug 2019 #129
A few. progressoid Aug 2019 #87
Thousands and Thousands.. Cha Aug 2019 #88
To make matters worse... progressoid Aug 2019 #91
Propaganda had some impact, unfortunately: betsuni Aug 2019 #93
Plus an enabling and complicit media. progressoid Aug 2019 #94
Yes. This was a Republican operation, funded by billionaire Mercer EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #139
They'll do the same thing to the next nominee. betsuni Aug 2019 #141
From "Identity Crisis": betsuni Aug 2019 #90
Also: betsuni Aug 2019 #92
Whataboutism does not excuse the efforts of Putin and stein Gothmog Aug 2019 #130
So do I but not because the D party is god like or perfect, but because we have a Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #73
+1000. ehrnst Aug 2019 #102
I thought the subject was Doxxing Cha Aug 2019 #146
There's a difference between Sanders supporters and the Bros Steven Maurer Aug 2019 #38
They had a part. Cha Aug 2019 #39
If they are Bernie Bros and not Russian trolls TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #152
But they will tell you both parties are the same if their candidate doesn't get in or their grudge lunasun Sep 2019 #154
Sanders SHOULD NOT be "unsuspecting of such shenanigans", his National Press Secretary.... George II Aug 2019 #6
+1. He knows what's going on dalton99a Aug 2019 #15
sanders is known to be a micro manager Gothmog Aug 2019 #50
Except, oddly, when it comes to his campaign writing a $30,000 check for sexual harassment ehrnst Aug 2019 #103
Of course he does. He doesn't get Cha Aug 2019 #57
This lady is one of the senior people in the sanders campaign Gothmog Aug 2019 #23
National Press Secretary for what will ultimately be a $100-$200 million organization, and.... George II Aug 2019 #25
I am being kind... FarPoint Aug 2019 #46
The buck stops at the top. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #56
Unless you're busy getting the message out. George II Aug 2019 #61
Thank you, George! Cha Sep 2019 #150
Briahna Joy Gray is not a Russian troll, she's his National Press Secretary. George II Aug 2019 #8
If Brihana Joy Gray is a Russian operative NYMinute Aug 2019 #19
Who voted for Jill Stein, and has no regrets doing so, and why Sanders does not deserve to be the still_one Aug 2019 #53
A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump Gothmog Aug 2019 #83
"Sanders is unsuspecting of such shenanigans..." SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #21
Someone should send him the plaque that sat on Harry Truman's desk for years.... George II Aug 2019 #26
He would have it shipped to a field office of his. NT SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #28
Unopened. George II Aug 2019 #44
Far Point, just look at his staff, no sensing needed there. Hortensis Aug 2019 #29
The names are: George II Aug 2019 #63
And there's the new BS hire, DrDooleyMD. lapucelle Aug 2019 #77
I see how this lady became a part of the sanders campaign team Gothmog Aug 2019 #84
DrDooleyMD also coined a new verb: "HillaRig" lapucelle Aug 2019 #86
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Sep 2019 #157
There are posts telling people to "Listen to Dr.Dooley" right here on FB... ehrnst Aug 2019 #105
Thank You! Cha Sep 2019 #162
Sarandon has shown up again Gothmog Aug 2019 #143
Waiting for Sanders to tweet "Listen to Sarandon." Hortensis Aug 2019 #144
It is his staff -- the buck stops here obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #32
Well, unless it's a $30,000 sexual harassment settlement paid out by his campaign ehrnst Aug 2019 #104
Did the Hoarse Whisperer tweet Cha Aug 2019 #2
Shameful mcar Aug 2019 #3
Took the word right out of my mouth, +1. nt PunkinPi Aug 2019 #34
Isn't this pretty standard behavior from his surrogates? comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #5
Yes. Cha Aug 2019 #9
Sirota is retweeting these doxxing tweets Gothmog Aug 2019 #7
+1. Typical Sirota, catapulting the propaganda dalton99a Aug 2019 #13
It's not just Sirota, it's Briahna Joy Gray too - see post #6. George II Aug 2019 #14
We knew this type of behavior was Cha Aug 2019 #96
Can someone explain to me what "doxxing" mean? Please? question everything Aug 2019 #10
Revealing personal information like names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.... George II Aug 2019 #11
Thanks. This is really unbecoming any public official question everything Aug 2019 #30
Work numbers released as well. sheshe2 Aug 2019 #54
digging up peoples personal data Amimnoch Aug 2019 #12
Thanks. Malicious intent it is. Hope none of the candidates supports this. question everything Aug 2019 #31
Well one candidate clearly does. His senior staff peole are comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #47
Everything everyone else said, but the intent is brigading obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #33
Thanks. I really think that "Social media" will be the agent that will bring this down our question everything Aug 2019 #41
And occasionally, the individuals home gets 'swatted' irisblue Aug 2019 #36
Yes, I've heard of swatting. I think that individuals citizens were killed question everything Aug 2019 #42
Not "just" an extra load on the police KitSileya Aug 2019 #82
From my twitter feed Gothmog Aug 2019 #71
Self-proclaimed internet sleuths like to try and identify people rictofen Aug 2019 #79
twitter is a vast sewer of fake news, lies, and rumours nt msongs Aug 2019 #16
The whole campaign consists of NYMinute Aug 2019 #17
They have compared Bidens health care proposal to a terrorist attack. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #20
That's Sirota for you. Meanwhile there are precious few details of their "plan".... George II Aug 2019 #24
Help me understand why this is a thing FreeLookMode Aug 2019 #27
Well Andrew Yoder.. know this.. Cha Aug 2019 #59
An Ongoing Aversion To Truth & Transparency Me. Aug 2019 #35
Bernie's US Supporters Would Never Do That! TomCADem Aug 2019 #40
Briahna Joy Gray is a US supporter and top aide to BS. George II Aug 2019 #43
From my twitter feed Gothmog Aug 2019 #111
Just a little earlier today Briahna Joy Gray sicked some of BS' supporters on a woman.... George II Aug 2019 #116
Disgusting. betsuni Aug 2019 #49
this aged well Celerity Aug 2019 #51
Oh my melman Aug 2019 #55
How so?? Gothmog Aug 2019 #112
Because the twitter troll feigning outrage engages in the behavior he pretends to decry? melman Aug 2019 #115
+1 Celerity Aug 2019 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Aug 2019 #119
I recall supporters of an unnamed candidate in the past who attacked anyone who didn't support... liberal N proud Aug 2019 #52
Briahna Joy Gray needs to resign or be fired. lapucelle Aug 2019 #58
Doncha know she Cha Aug 2019 #60
BS campaign workers turned whistle blowers warned about the toxic, predatory culture. lapucelle Aug 2019 #62
Why are pro-Sanders voters called fans BlueWI Aug 2019 #66
delegitimisation via linguistic repetition nt Celerity Aug 2019 #68
You got that right. n/t BlueWI Aug 2019 #72
The doxxing was done by members of sanders' campaign team Gothmog Aug 2019 #85
Thanks, Goth.. no "respect" for Doxxers. Cha Aug 2019 #89
The doxing of HoarseWisperer was at the request of Bernie's National Press Secretary. Gothmog Aug 2019 #110
And they whine about press treatment kcr Aug 2019 #113
Yes.. they can't handle the truth. Cha Aug 2019 #117
That wasn't the question. BlueWI Aug 2019 #133
Great post and a great point melman Aug 2019 #134
Thanks! BlueWI Aug 2019 #135
Why dwell on what a candidate's followers are called instead of addressing the point of the post? George II Aug 2019 #136
People who partake in political Twitter wars Steelrolled Aug 2019 #69
People who dox those because they don't Cha Aug 2019 #95
That wasn't "doxing" Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #99
Are you defending this behavior? Gothmog Aug 2019 #100
Ok. Then what would you call it? kcr Aug 2019 #107
Though, if we're talking definitions kcr Aug 2019 #108
Haha.. look at this.. trying to give Cha Aug 2019 #114
kick betsuni Aug 2019 #97
Intimidation. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #101
The sanders campaign has doxxed other people including college student Gothmog Aug 2019 #106
Doxxing is an act of intimidation. Politicub Aug 2019 #109
People might find this surprising melman Aug 2019 #120
This message was self-deleted by its author Amimnoch Aug 2019 #121
What was revealed is a LOT more than what is included in that list of "not a violation". George II Aug 2019 #122
Not true melman Aug 2019 #123
Color me surprised. George II Aug 2019 #124
I watched the video. Seder didn't give out the guys name or private information on him Autumn Aug 2019 #127
You might find it surprising to know that targeted harrassment is against twitter rules ehrnst Aug 2019 #149
Entitled mindset of social media populists radius777 Aug 2019 #125
From my twitter feed Gothmog Aug 2019 #128
Everyone should read that link, it's so illuminating... comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #131
There is some great material on that site Gothmog Aug 2019 #142
+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #132
The Sam Seder thing really pisses me off tishaLA Aug 2019 #137
Can someone explain why the horsey guy is entitled to anonymity for his hateful trolling? melman Aug 2019 #138
Why is okay to Dox anyone? Gothmog Aug 2019 #145
You support intimidating him offline? And he's not the only one "hatefully trolling" on Twitter ehrnst Aug 2019 #148
I like the Hoarse Whisperer and have followed him for a long time Gothmog Sep 2019 #153
"I like the Hoarse Whisperer and have followed him for a long time" melman Sep 2019 #155
I also have a subscription to the Washington Post Gothmog Sep 2019 #156
Sensational melman Sep 2019 #158
Doxxing will not work come time to vote Gothmog Aug 2019 #140
They attack this way because that's their nature. Hortensis Aug 2019 #147
Thank you for posting this. It's a good reminder AND good information! NurseJackie Sep 2019 #151
Just read only 4% of likely voters over 65 support Sanders! Hortensis Sep 2019 #160
Thank you for Maya Angelou! Cha Sep 2019 #161
K&R nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #159
Now they are threatening to dox a person for posting Cenk's own words. OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #163
LOL Scurrilous Feb 2020 #164
 

FarPoint

(12,209 posts)
1. I've always sensed a Russian troll
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:20 PM
Aug 2019

Infestation with the Sanders Campaign... especially back in 2016 ... Apparently they have returned...Sanders is unsuspecting of such shenanigans...

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redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
4. I work with a bunch of Sanders supporters.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:26 PM
Aug 2019

They were ruthless in the last election and then a bunch of them stayed home because he didn't win the nomination. Some may be Russian trolls, but he has a few trolls of his own. I don't believe they are clueless to this going on.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
18. few may be an understatement nt
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:21 PM
Aug 2019
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MarcA

(2,195 posts)
22. Blaming the failure on Bernie Bros.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:51 PM
Aug 2019

Most Sanders supporters voted for Clinton but nevermind nuance.

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DownriverDem

(6,206 posts)
37. How
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:10 PM
Aug 2019

do you know? They were pretty nasty then. Besides I only support true members of the Democratic Party.

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progressoid

(49,827 posts)
48. Statistics.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:59 PM
Aug 2019


Sanders supporters were actually more supportive of the Democratic nominee than other voters were in the previous contested election. 12 % of Sanders supporters voted for Trump over Clinton. Compare that with 2008 when 17 % of Clinton supporters voted for McCain over Obama.



More.
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lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
65. Data generally is enlightening.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:59 PM
Aug 2019
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lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
67. For those who really like data, here's a link to the complete study.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:12 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:19 PM - Edit history (1)

https://dataverse.harvard.edu/file.xhtml?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/GDF6Z0/RK0ONG&version=4.0

Guide to the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Survey

Stephen Ansolabehere, PI (Harvard University)
Brian Schaffner, co-PI (University of Massachusetts Amherst)
Sam Luks, co-PI (YouGov)

August 2017

The 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study was supported by the National Science Foundation Award # 1559125.


Here's a direct link to the pdf.

https://dataverse.harvard.edu/api/access/datafile/:persistentId?persistentId=doi:10.7910/DVN/GDF6Z0/RK0ONG

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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
70. Thank you for posting these facts
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:01 PM
Aug 2019
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lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
74. There is a real problem in scope shift when anyone uses overall percentages
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:39 PM
Aug 2019

to try to reach comparative conclusions about numbers in the relative whole sets and/or about numbers in any subsets (i.e. states).

That's what makes the numbers data about the Sanders to Trump voters in WI, MI, and PA so stunningly revealing.

And that's why it's important to look at all of the facts, including the data.

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
75. So what are the matching stats from 2008?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:59 PM
Aug 2019

and before, if you don't have those you're just posting meaningless numbers.

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lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
78. If you want the data, it's probably on line somewhere.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:51 PM
Aug 2019

Do a search.

If you want to save yourself some time, however, simply ask yourself whether the numbers you seek exceed the margin of victory in any crucial swing state, thus costing the candidate who won the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes an electoral college victory predicated on 76,000 votes across three specific states.

And remember that no matter what the numbers data (or for that matter the relative percentages data) might say, the fact remains that the "Hillary to a non Democrat voters" did not cost Democrats the 2008 election.

Democrats won that year.

Therefore the numbers I posted are very meaningful.


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MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
98. Those are inconvenient facts.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:46 AM
Aug 2019

You should stop posting such things.

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
76. Yeah.. and how many voted for Stein?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:14 PM
Aug 2019
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GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
80. Apparently most of his campaign staff. And his wife.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:29 AM
Aug 2019
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Cha

(295,929 posts)
81. Yeah, BS' top staff hires... and thousands more..
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:37 AM
Aug 2019
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EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
126. GOP voter suppression was even BIGGER
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:59 AM
Aug 2019

It’s difficult to count uncast votes, but there were clearly thousands of them as a result of the voter-suppression measures. In 2014, according to a Wisconsin federal court, three hundred thousand registered voters in that state lacked the forms of identification that Republican legislators deemed necessary to cast their ballots. (The G.O.P. likes some forms of I.D. better than others. In Texas, a gun permit works; student identification does not.) In Milwaukee County, which has a large African-American population, sixty thousand fewer votes were cast in 2016 than in 2012. To put it another way, Clinton received forty-three thousand fewer votes in that county than Barack Obama did—a number that is nearly double Trump’s margin of victory in all of Wisconsin.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/12/12/the-real-voting-scandal-of-2016

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progressoid

(49,827 posts)
87. A few.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:35 AM
Aug 2019

But they likely weren't going to vote for a Democrat anyway.

The bigger question we should be asking is, "why did we lose so many of our core Democrats to Trump?" Why did 42% of union members vote for trump? Or 8% of registered Democrats? Or 14% of LGBT voters?

Or this one; 28% of Latino voters went for trump! With all the shit he spewed about "drug dealers", "rapists" etc., what made 28% of Latino voters support him? He actually got more support from Latino voters than Obama did in 2012.

Or how about women? 41% thought that the pussy-grabber was a better choice than a female candidate. Even 7% of Democratic women voted for him. WTF!



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Cha

(295,929 posts)
88. Thousands and Thousands..
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:47 AM
Aug 2019
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progressoid

(49,827 posts)
91. To make matters worse...
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 02:46 AM
Aug 2019
A new study co-authored by political science professors and a policy analyst from the think tank Demos finds that Donald Trump’s electoral college victory in November depended heavily on an increase in white voter turnout and an even bigger decrease in turnout among African-American voters—particularly in the key swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Comparing data from the voter file vendor Catalist and the U.S. Census Bureau, the researchers concluded: “Without those shifts in turnout from various racial and ethnic groups, these pivotal states might have gone not to Trump but to Clinton — giving Clinton an electoral college victory.”

The study, published Monday in the Washington Post‘s Monkey Cage blog, found that between 2012 and 2016, white voter turnout jumped 2.4 percent nationally, while black voter turnout fell 4.7 percent.

The split was even more dramatic in the midwestern states that tipped the scales for Trump. In Ohio, black voter turnout dropped 7.5 percent; in Wisconsin, it declined 12.3 percent; and in Michigan, it was down 12.4 percent.




4.4 million 2012 Obama voters stayed home in 2016 — more than a third of them black

2016 was an election cycle in which Trump’s margin of victory was one of the narrowest in U.S. history. It came down to about 78,000 votes in three states, including Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s hard not to wonder, then, how the decrease in turnout among black voters might have affected the outcome. In Michigan, where 14 percent of residents are black, Trump won by 10,704 votes of 4.8 million cast. In Pennsylvania, he won by 44,000 of 6.2 million cast — with blacks making up more than a tenth of the population. Clinton wins those states, and the 2016 race is essentially a tie.



The block of white voters who backed Trump is much bigger than the block of black voters who stayed home. (About 5 million white Obama 2012 voters supported Trump; about 1.6 million black voters stayed home.) But in an election where tweaking any number of dials might have changed the result, it’s interesting to consider the ramifications in the shift in black turnout.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/03/12/4-4-million-2012-obama-voters-stayed-home-in-2016-more-than-a-third-of-them-black/


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betsuni

(25,138 posts)
93. Propaganda had some impact, unfortunately:
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 03:12 AM
Aug 2019

"Among the most unjust consequences of ... branding Clinton as an establishment tool was the effect on young African Americans. Their parents -- particularly their mothers -- were virtually solid in their support for Clinton, and that wasn't the result of her racial 'pandering' (as Trump later suggested) but rather Hillary's quiet, steady work, over decades, on issues of 'kitchen-table' important to black families and the relationships she had built with black leaders. That history was either unknown or ignored ... ; Clinton 'has to be willing to get out of what's comfortable and get on the streets,' said one, obviously ignorant of the fact that at the age of twenty-four, Hillary had been a civil rights activist who went undercover to investigate discrimination in public schools. Hilary was also the first candidate to pay attention to the Flint, Michigan water crisis, joining forces with Flint's mayor ... . But like Clinton's work on LGBTQ issues, decades old rather than campaign inspired, none of this made it into flashy stories headlining her lifelong commitment to racial, gender, and sexual justice."

Instead we heard "super-predator." "She also apologized profusely for using the 'super-predator' label, even though in her speech it was not aimed at African American youth but the dealers who exploited them. (I strongly suspect 'predator,' for child-advocate Clinton, was less inflected racially than with connotations of child abuse.) But for too many millennials, both black and white, '1994 Crime Bill' and 'super-predator' said all one needed to know about Clinton. Some spoke as though she was personally responsible for the spike in mass incarceration that was a consequence of her husband's bill."

Susan Bordo

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progressoid

(49,827 posts)
94. Plus an enabling and complicit media.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 03:32 AM
Aug 2019

Donald Trump succeeded in shaping the election agenda. Coverage of Trump overwhelmingly outperformed coverage of Clinton. Clinton’s coverage was focused on scandals, while Trump’s coverage focused on his core issues.



Attempts by the Clinton campaign to define her campaign on competence, experience, and policy positions were drowned out by coverage of alleged improprieties associated with the Clinton Foundation and emails. Coverage of Trump associated with immigration, jobs, and trade was greater than that on his personal scandals.



...https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud



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EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
139. Yes. This was a Republican operation, funded by billionaire Mercer
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:41 PM
Aug 2019



Article from 2018 still applies
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betsuni

(25,138 posts)
141. They'll do the same thing to the next nominee.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:57 PM
Aug 2019
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betsuni

(25,138 posts)
90. From "Identity Crisis":
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 02:23 AM
Aug 2019

"Why did Clinton fail to perform better among women voters? One reason is the weaker gender solidarity among women. For example, in the September 2016 ... Presidential Election Panel Study, only about a third of women said that being a woman was 'extremely important' to their identity, while 61 percent of blacks said their race was 'extremely important.' That lack of gender solidarity was politically consequential too. Hillary Clinton was significantly less popular than Obama was among the majority of women who did not see gender as extremely important to their identities. Thus, Clinton's performance among women in both the Democratic primary and the general election confirmed past research showing that race and partisanship are more important than gender in how people vote. The salience of race and partisanship helps explain why Clinton lost white women by 9 points -- a deficit larger than Barack Obama's in 2008 and Al Gore's in 2000.

"A more important explanation for the drop in African American turn-out had to do with Obama and Clinton themselves. When Obama ran in 2008 and 2012, black turnout was over 5 percent higher than it had been in any election on record. Obama's two campaigns confirmed research showing that African-Americans' in-group identity -- their identification with blacks as a group -- impacts how they think and act in politics. ... It was arguably unrealistic to expect similarly high levels of black turnout for a white democratic candidate in 2016. That does not mean that Clinton was unpopular among African-Americans.

"The activation of racial attitudes helped Trump more than Clinton. Despite the ongoing alignment of racial attitudes and partisanship, as of 2012 a substantial minority of white Obama voters still expressed less favorable views of immigration, undocumented immigrants, African Americans and other minority groups. Trump's appeal to these voters helped ensure that Obama supporters in 2012 who voted for Trump in 2016 outnumbered Romney supporters who voted for Clinton. And because these voters were disproportionately represented in battle ground states such as Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, they helped Trump win the Electoral College -- especially when the coalition that elected Obama did not show up for Clinton in comparable numbers. Before the election the prevailing wisdom was that the country's growing diversity would help the Democrats continue to win the White House. Trump's victory showed that the backlash against that diversity could be a winning issue, too."

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betsuni

(25,138 posts)
92. Also:
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 02:48 AM
Aug 2019

"Although Latino group identity has grown stronger over time, Latinos still vary in how much they identify with other Latinos, which depends on factors such as their country of origin, generation, immigration experiences, socioeconomic status, and English proficiency. Moreover, Latinos who identify less strongly with other Latinos are less likely to respond to appeals to ethnic identity, which are often the go-to tactic for Democratic candidates who want to mobilize Latinos. Similarly, Latinos with a weaker identity are harder to mobilize in response to xenophobic rhetoric. Before 2016, Democrats had built considerable support among Latinos with a stronger group identity. In 2012, the ANES showed that Obama won the support of nearly 90 percent of Latinos who said that being Hispanic was an 'extremely important' part of their identity, as well as about 90 percent of Latinos with a strong sense of linked fate with other Latinos. But about 19 percent of Latinos said that being Hispanic was 'not at all' or only 'a little' important to their identity, and fewer than 50 percent of them voted for Obama. Support for Obama also dropped to 70 percent among those with a weaker sense of linked fate. In 2016, the same patterns held. Latinos with weaker group identities did not rally to Clinton, despite Trump's rhetoric ... . Latinos with a weak group identity were still much less likely to support Clinton -- about 40 points less likely -- than were Latinos with the strongest identity. This relationship was essentially the same as in 2012."

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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
130. Whataboutism does not excuse the efforts of Putin and stein
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:23 AM
Aug 2019

I have been volunteering on voter protection issues for a long time. I was part of the Clinton Victory Counsel program and helped run the Texas statewide voter protection program yes there was voter suppression in Wisconsin but there was also efforts by Putin and Stein that also cost Clinton the election

In the real world there can be multiple causative events each of which contribute to an outcome. The existence of voter suppression was one cause but the efforts of Stein played a role also

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
73. So do I but not because the D party is god like or perfect, but because we have a
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:22 PM
Aug 2019

TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO TWO PARTY SYSTEM

which means a no vote or a vote for anyone other than a Democrat is a vote for fascist killers

Which means ANYONE who does NOT vote for whoever the dem is is GUILTY OF THE SAME CRIMES RUMP IS GUILTY OF

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
146. I thought the subject was Doxxing
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 07:36 AM
Aug 2019

The Hoarse Whisperer.. Sure veered Off course!



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Steven Maurer

(455 posts)
38. There's a difference between Sanders supporters and the Bros
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:16 PM
Aug 2019

In fact, most 2016 Sanders supporters aren't even supporting him this time around.

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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
39. They had a part.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:18 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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TheRealNorth

(9,435 posts)
152. If they are Bernie Bros and not Russian trolls
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 04:57 PM
Sep 2019

We should be enlisting their help to go after Republicans

I am done with the "They go low, we go high" BS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
154. But they will tell you both parties are the same if their candidate doesn't get in or their grudge
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:24 PM
Sep 2019

is heavy on DNC manipulation that kept him out
Good luck

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Sanders SHOULD NOT be "unsuspecting of such shenanigans", his National Press Secretary....
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:29 PM
Aug 2019

....was the first to call for the doxxing. He hired her, she's in his inner circle. Why is she still working for him?

This is what started it, it's HER tweet using her official campaign twitter account:

Briahna Joy Gray @briebriejoy

National Press Secretary #BernieSanders2020.



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dalton99a

(81,073 posts)
15. +1. He knows what's going on
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:14 PM
Aug 2019


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
50. sanders is known to be a micro manager
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:20 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
103. Except, oddly, when it comes to his campaign writing a $30,000 check for sexual harassment
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:49 AM
Aug 2019

?lang=en
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Cha

(295,929 posts)
57. Of course he does. He doesn't get
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:06 PM
Aug 2019

to play innocent when it's been reported he micromanages his campaign. He's the one who hired them.

The way candidates run their campaign is the way they'd run the office if won.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
23. This lady is one of the senior people in the sanders campaign
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:15 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. National Press Secretary for what will ultimately be a $100-$200 million organization, and....
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:34 PM
Aug 2019

...she was "naive"? Why doesn't she appear on MSNBC, I'm sure they'd have her, so she can address her issues directly with them instead of sicking their followers on a tweeter.

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FarPoint

(12,209 posts)
46. I am being kind...
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:05 PM
Aug 2019

Just food for thought....just saying, this is where my mood is today...

If I were to vote in a presidential
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sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
56. The buck stops at the top.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:59 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
61. Unless you're busy getting the message out.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:28 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
150. Thank you, George!
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 04:24 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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George II

(67,782 posts)
8. Briahna Joy Gray is not a Russian troll, she's his National Press Secretary.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:45 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
19. If Brihana Joy Gray is a Russian operative
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:26 PM
Aug 2019

then the people who hired her can be assumed to be Russian operatives as well.

I am reminded of paragraph 43 of Mueller's IRA indictment

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

43. By 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.

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Joe Biden
 

still_one

(91,965 posts)
53. Who voted for Jill Stein, and has no regrets doing so, and why Sanders does not deserve to be the
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:43 PM
Aug 2019

Democratic nominee


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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
83. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:18 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
21. "Sanders is unsuspecting of such shenanigans..."
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:41 PM
Aug 2019

The "shenanigans" start and end with him. Well, they actually start and continue at his orders. It's who he is as a person.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
26. Someone should send him the plaque that sat on Harry Truman's desk for years....
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:36 PM
Aug 2019

...."The buck stops here"!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
28. He would have it shipped to a field office of his. NT
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:40 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Far Point, just look at his staff, no sensing needed there.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:46 PM
Aug 2019

They have names.

It is true that a major Russian social media tactic has been to AUGMENT, spreading far, wide, and very frequently the hostile messages from Sanders' and Trump's campaigns, plus extras as opportunities suggest. The "surrogates" speak and Russia copies what it likes and targets it to most American voters. Their FB messages alone were delivered personally to 126 million Americans.

Worth noting that, obviously, this creates an incentive for the wrong kind of people to create messages that Russia feels are especially poisonous and especially worth spreading.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
63. The names are:
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:34 PM
Aug 2019

Campaign co-chair Nina Turner - Jill Stein voter
National Speechwriter David Sirota - Jill Stein voter
National Press Secretary Briahna Joy Gray - Jill Stein voter

And top adviser to the campaign, Cornell West - Jill Stein voter

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Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
77. And there's the new BS hire, DrDooleyMD.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 11:35 PM
Aug 2019

/photo/1
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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
84. I see how this lady became a part of the sanders campaign team
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:20 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
86. DrDooleyMD also coined a new verb: "HillaRig"
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:31 AM
Aug 2019


#UsefulNewVerbs

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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
157. Who is surprised by this?
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:44 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
105. There are posts telling people to "Listen to Dr.Dooley" right here on FB...
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:58 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
143. Sarandon has shown up again
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:07 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
144. Waiting for Sanders to tweet "Listen to Sarandon."
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:57 AM
Aug 2019

This is not how Democratic candidates campaign, it's just not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
32. It is his staff -- the buck stops here
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:56 PM
Aug 2019

No matter what candidate it is.

"Unsuspecting"? That gets supervisors fired in my world.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
104. Well, unless it's a $30,000 sexual harassment settlement paid out by his campaign
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:50 AM
Aug 2019

?lang=en
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
2. Did the Hoarse Whisperer tweet
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:21 PM
Aug 2019

something that was untrue?

Doxxing is such a ***** move.

Mahalo, Blue_Tires

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Joe Biden
 

PunkinPi

(4,870 posts)
34. Took the word right out of my mouth, +1. nt
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:03 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
5. Isn't this pretty standard behavior from his surrogates?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:29 PM
Aug 2019

It's the same thing that happened with those young women who dared to ask Bernie probing questions at the CNN town halls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
7. Sirota is retweeting these doxxing tweets
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:34 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(81,073 posts)
13. +1. Typical Sirota, catapulting the propaganda
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:54 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. It's not just Sirota, it's Briahna Joy Gray too - see post #6.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:58 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
96. We knew this type of behavior was
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:28 AM
Aug 2019

coming the second BS hired Sirota and he deleted over 20,000 of his tweets.

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Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,271 posts)
10. Can someone explain to me what "doxxing" mean? Please?
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:48 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Revealing personal information like names, addresses, phone numbers, email addresses, etc....
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:52 PM
Aug 2019

..."Documenting", i.e., doxxing.

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question everything

(47,271 posts)
30. Thanks. This is really unbecoming any public official
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:52 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,355 posts)
54. Work numbers released as well.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:54 PM
Aug 2019

SMH

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
12. digging up peoples personal data
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:53 PM
Aug 2019

then publishing it on the internet with malicious intent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

question everything

(47,271 posts)
31. Thanks. Malicious intent it is. Hope none of the candidates supports this.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:53 PM
Aug 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
47. Well one candidate clearly does. His senior staff peole are
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:35 PM
Aug 2019

conducting this doxxing campaign. And it's not the first time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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obamanut2012

(25,911 posts)
33. Everything everyone else said, but the intent is brigading
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:59 PM
Aug 2019

"Brigading is an online harassment tactic where a group of people rally against an individual (or occasionally against a small group of people) in a coordinated, sustained and organized way." -- for those who don't know.

Brigading, swatting, etc. People have breakdowns and go into hiding at safe houses over this garbage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,271 posts)
41. Thanks. I really think that "Social media" will be the agent that will bring this down our
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:24 PM
Aug 2019

democracy.

And I suppose these days one really has to be strong enough to just stop visiting these sites, or just ignore the attacks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

irisblue

(32,829 posts)
36. And occasionally, the individuals home gets 'swatted'
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:06 PM
Aug 2019

FTR, "swatting" is calling local law enforcement and reporting shots fired of dead bodies or a suicide attempt.

Wiki-"Swatting is a criminal harassment tactic of deceiving an emergency service (via such means as hoaxing an emergency services dispatcher) into sending a police and emergency service response team to another person's address. This is triggered by false reporting of a serious law enforcement emergency, such as a bomb threat, murder, hostage situation, or other alleged incident. It can also be triggered by a false report of a "mental health" emergency, such as reporting that a person is allegedly suicidal or homicidal and may or may not be armed.[3] In the United States, the maximum prison sentence handed down by a court in March 2019 on a swatter was 20 years in jail for a fatal 2017 swatting violation.[4]"


Earlier this week author Ijeoma Oluo home was 'swatted'. Her son was alone and sleeping.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,271 posts)
42. Yes, I've heard of swatting. I think that individuals citizens were killed
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:26 PM
Aug 2019

Was a call from California into a home in the Midwest someplace.

Just extra load on the already strained police force.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
82. Not "just" an extra load on the police
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:14 AM
Aug 2019

If the person swatted is a person of color, and most especially if the person is Black, it's a straight out attempted murder. Cops kill African Americans for such things as holding a cell phone, playing in the park, driving down the highway, standing in their yard, and many other everyday things. Anyone who calls the cops on a Black person who is not an immediate threat to others is risking killing them, and swatting them is trying to murder them.

Senator Sanders might end up claiming he is too busy to see what is going on in his campaign again, but after the egregious behavior in his campaign the last time, he has no excuse this time. His top staffers are harassing and encouraging others to harass his critics, and he is responsible for that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rictofen

(235 posts)
79. Self-proclaimed internet sleuths like to try and identify people
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:12 AM
Aug 2019

by analyzing social media histories, forum posts, security footage, etc. Quite often, these "experts" ID the wrong person, and then it's highly likely that the misidentified person's life - and perhaps the lives of those close to them - gets turned upside down, or worse: death threats; targeted vandalism; ruined relationships; destroyed careers. You name it.

We can see that the doxxing is opposed in this case. That stance should prevail regardless of the personal politics of doxxors and doxxees.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

msongs

(67,199 posts)
16. twitter is a vast sewer of fake news, lies, and rumours nt
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
17. The whole campaign consists of
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:19 PM
Aug 2019

fake populist slogans, unachievable platitudes that sound good and dirty tricks/ratfucking.

Not surprising at all.

I want one of his supporters condemn this -- just one -- but it won't happen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
20. They have compared Bidens health care proposal to a terrorist attack.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 02:39 PM
Aug 2019

Played a game of "who said it" comparing Biden to Trump.

Seems people are starting to get who he and those he surrounds himself are. The question in your op isn't necessary. It's at the core of their existence.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
24. That's Sirota for you. Meanwhile there are precious few details of their "plan"....
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:31 PM
Aug 2019

....just outlines and bullet points.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FreeLookMode

(30 posts)
27. Help me understand why this is a thing
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:39 PM
Aug 2019

Hello,

Be gentle with me. First post. I don't fully understand twitter, and I'm not a very big social media user. I pretty much think that the communities of places like youtube, facebook, and other sites where comments can be made are among the most sick and toxic communities I've ever seen.

Because of that, I think that anonymity on the internet breeds lack of accountability for behavior. Doxxing is when someone reveals the real world identity of an online user, is that right?

I don't think doing that is appropriate behavior for a campaign. But I have to say... I feel like if people couldn't hide behind anonymity on the internet the world would be a much different and better place.

My name is Andrew Yoder, and I live in Eugene Oregon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
59. Well Andrew Yoder.. know this..
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:10 PM
Aug 2019

It's wrong to Dox. That's their private information. Those who dox are just little tattle tales 'cause they can't the truth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
35. An Ongoing Aversion To Truth & Transparency
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:06 PM
Aug 2019

by their fruits ye shall know them

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
40. Bernie's US Supporters Would Never Do That!
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:22 PM
Aug 2019

Nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
43. Briahna Joy Gray is a US supporter and top aide to BS.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:31 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
116. Just a little earlier today Briahna Joy Gray sicked some of BS' supporters on a woman....
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:21 PM
Aug 2019

....on twitter. They were so relentlessly nasty the poor woman deleted her account.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
55. Oh my
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:58 PM
Aug 2019

That is an interesting development.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
115. Because the twitter troll feigning outrage engages in the behavior he pretends to decry?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:18 PM
Aug 2019

Just a guess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Gothmog (Reply #112)

 

liberal N proud

(60,302 posts)
52. I recall supporters of an unnamed candidate in the past who attacked anyone who didn't support...
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:41 PM
Aug 2019

Their guy.

I am sure some others here recall the time as well.

A campaign such as this is dangerous and a sure fire way to give trump another win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
58. Briahna Joy Gray needs to resign or be fired.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:08 PM
Aug 2019

This is unethical, unprofessional, and just plain disgusting.

Any candidate who doesn't possess the requisite moral center to do the right thing in a case like this should never serve as president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
60. Doncha know she
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:14 PM
Aug 2019

played innocent after the doxxing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
62. BS campaign workers turned whistle blowers warned about the toxic, predatory culture.
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:30 PM
Aug 2019

No one can claim ignorance this time around.

Her employment by and association with any Democratic campaign should be

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
66. Why are pro-Sanders voters called fans
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:04 PM
Aug 2019

and other camps are called supporters?

Sanders still has 12-20% polling support. Disagreement with tactics is all good, but more respect for fellow Democrats who support different candidates than ourselves would be a good move for this board.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(42,669 posts)
68. delegitimisation via linguistic repetition nt
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:32 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
72. You got that right. n/t
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:20 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
85. The doxxing was done by members of sanders' campaign team
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:27 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
89. Thanks, Goth.. no "respect" for Doxxers.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:49 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
110. The doxing of HoarseWisperer was at the request of Bernie's National Press Secretary.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:07 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kcr

(15,300 posts)
113. And they whine about press treatment
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:10 PM
Aug 2019

even though I've yet to see anything in the mainstream press about this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
117. Yes.. they can't handle the truth.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:23 PM
Aug 2019

Mahalo!

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BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
133. That wasn't the question.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:27 PM
Aug 2019

Be honest and answer a direct question - why are Sanders supporters called fans? Do you call Biden supporters fans?

This kind of misdirection prevents working toward consensus on issues and maximizing electoral strength. Sanders is the second most popular candidate for the Democratic nomination, with Elizabeth Warren close. This indicates an interest in systematic change, not bob and weave politics. The issues are too grave for misdirection and games. You do this board and the electorate a disservice by not focusing on the issues and respecting the preferences of 12/18/20% of primary voters who support Sanders.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
134. Great post and a great point
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:48 PM
Aug 2019

I see this 'fan' thing a lot. It's most certainly used deliberately.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
135. Thanks!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:29 PM
Aug 2019

I think it's really important to respect differences in which candidates we support. The lack of respect for Sanders supporters is quite obvious on this board, and it's disappointing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
136. Why dwell on what a candidate's followers are called instead of addressing the point of the post?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:43 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
69. People who partake in political Twitter wars
Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:35 PM
Aug 2019

won't get much sympathy from me. They are looking for action.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(295,929 posts)
95. People who dox those because they don't
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:05 AM
Aug 2019

like what truths they've told are trying to scare others into keeping quiet.

In the end it is their karma that will come calling and it won't be pretty.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,273 posts)
99. That wasn't "doxing"
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:14 AM
Aug 2019

You don’t get to make up your own definition of words.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
100. Are you defending this behavior?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:40 AM
Aug 2019

Are any other campaigns engaging in this behavior? Is this behavior acceptable?

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kcr

(15,300 posts)
107. Ok. Then what would you call it?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:17 PM
Aug 2019
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kcr

(15,300 posts)
108. Though, if we're talking definitions
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:45 PM
Aug 2019

Not sure how or where it doesn't fit. Here are multiple sources that all include revealing the personal identity of the victim. I bolded the relevant parts:

http://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/doxxing/

What is doxxing?
Doxxing is a cyber attack that involves discovering the real identity of an Internet user. The attacker then reveals that person’s details so others can target them with malicious attacks. Doxxing is analyzing information posted online by the victim in order to identify and later harass that person.


https://www.howtogeek.com/402764/what-is-doxxing-and-why-is-it-bad/

Doxxing is generally a targeted abuse, similar to harassment in real life, and unless you’ve got a target on your back, you’re probably safe. It normally affects famous people—particularly Internet famous people, such as live streamers, YouTubers, and social media celebrities. Since many of them go by an online alias, revealing their real name is a major violation of privacy.Having your name, phone number, and address posted online leaves you vulnerable to real crimes, like swatting, physical harassment, and stalking.


https://grammarist.com/new-words/doxing-and-doxxing/

Doxing is the act of publishing private information and identifying information about an individual online with intent to harm. Doxing is done in order to shame someone, encourage other online users to intimidate someone, or put the person being doxed in actual danger. Doxing may be spelled with two “x‘s”, as in doxxing. Doxingmay be used as a noun or a verb, related terms are dox, doxes, doxed, dox, doxxes, doxxed. Doxing is a new word, it was added to the Oxford English Dictionary in 2014. Originally, the word dox was used by computer hackers as an abbreviation for the plural word documents. In the mid-2000s dox came to mean revealing the true identity of a computer user, and by 2008 doxing came to also mean publishing private information online about an individual online, a method of harrassment.


https://cyberbullying.org/doxing-and-cyberbullying
Slang for “dropping documents,” doxing (also spelled doxxing) typically occurs when someone collects another’s private personal information, such as a home address, contact information or social security number, and subsequently broadcasts or “outs” that information to the public without permission. Crash Override Network (a task force made up of people who have previously been targeted) describes doxxing as a “tactic of mobs of anonymous online groups” whose goal is to scare targets by exposing their personal information online. While your personal information may have nothing to do with them, their objective is to make you fearful about how it could potentially lead to your own victimization. To be sure, it might be prompted by seeking revenge for a perceived affront, or to bring attention to someone who has previously operated under the mask of anonymity or pseudonymity – or might simply be done for “kicks.” The scariest part, of course, is that once your private contact details are put out there electronically, it’s difficult to get them taken down – and is therefore available for anyone with malicious or reckless motives to see, find, and use against you.

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Cha

(295,929 posts)
114. Haha.. look at this.. trying to give
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:14 PM
Aug 2019

cover to those in the OP who were Busted for what now?.. oh yeah, Doxxing. Shocking.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
101. Intimidation. (nt)
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:45 AM
Aug 2019
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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
106. The sanders campaign has doxxed other people including college student
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:28 AM
Aug 2019
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Politicub

(12,163 posts)
109. Doxxing is an act of intimidation.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:01 PM
Aug 2019

The intent is to silence the doxxing victim.

This practice should be repudiated. Period.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
120. People might find this surprising
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:07 PM
Aug 2019

but twitter doesn't consider any of that private information.




https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-information

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George II

(67,782 posts)
122. What was revealed is a LOT more than what is included in that list of "not a violation".
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:51 PM
Aug 2019

I'm sure by now, with the brouhaha that arose, much of what has been revealed has been deleted.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
124. Color me surprised.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:24 PM
Aug 2019
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Autumn

(44,762 posts)
127. I watched the video. Seder didn't give out the guys name or private information on him
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:35 AM
Aug 2019

Isn't that whar doxing is? All he did was post a screen cap of the companies he represents with no identifying information. He kept him anonymous, he just fleshed out what "reporter" Brian Williams left out. But damn, the whisperer was exposed for what he is. I see now the reason for the vitriol he aims at Bernie. Twenty-one big one's... among others. From reading his page it must be a full-time job. I called him a jackass whisper when his tweets trashing AOC were posted.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
149. You might find it surprising to know that targeted harrassment is against twitter rules
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 08:31 AM
Aug 2019
Encouraging or calling for others to harass an individual or group of people

We prohibit behavior that encourages others to harass or target specific individuals or groups with abusive behavior. This includes, but is not limited to; calls to target people with abuse or harassment online and behavior that urges offline action such as physical harassment.



https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/abusive-behavior
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radius777

(3,624 posts)
125. Entitled mindset of social media populists
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:19 AM
Aug 2019

that exists on both the right and left, that are mostly white movements. Most such people are not Democrats and voted for Green/DSA/Libertarian/etc in the recent past.

Historically oppressed groups (PoC, women, gays, etc) who have legitimate reason to 'revolt' and 'act stupid' don't do this and mainly attempt to peacefully work through the centrist structure of the Dem party, ie 'wait their turn', yet others that are more privileged don't think they need to wait or show respect to those that worked for their place at the table.

Most Sanders supporters are regular Democratic voters - why it is so important for him to denounce these ugly anti-Dem elements on social media that claim to support him.

Having a different opinion, especially within a Dem primary, should not open one up to doxxing, bullying or abuse of any kind.

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comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
131. Everyone should read that link, it's so illuminating...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:43 AM
Aug 2019
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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
142. There is some great material on that site
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 01:00 AM
Aug 2019
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tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
137. The Sam Seder thing really pisses me off
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:56 PM
Aug 2019

Most of those other folks are just anonymous assholes, but Sam isn't and he needs to be more responsible about doxxing people. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone retweeted that slip and alerted MSNBC that one of its contributors was engaging in doxxing. MSNBC fired Sam once before for a BS reason, but firing him for this would be something else entirely.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
138. Can someone explain why the horsey guy is entitled to anonymity for his hateful trolling?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:05 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
145. Why is okay to Dox anyone?
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 09:40 AM
Aug 2019
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primary today, I would vote for:
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
148. You support intimidating him offline? And he's not the only one "hatefully trolling" on Twitter
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 08:27 AM
Aug 2019

See also the twitter feeds of: Nina Turner, David Sirota, Bri Gray, Dr Dooley...





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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
153. I like the Hoarse Whisperer and have followed him for a long time
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:17 PM
Sep 2019

He has a great backstory that he just posted




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melman

(7,681 posts)
155. "I like the Hoarse Whisperer and have followed him for a long time"
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:24 PM
Sep 2019

Ask me if I'm shocked.

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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
156. I also have a subscription to the Washington Post
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 05:43 PM
Sep 2019

I found this tweet by the Hoarse Whisperer to be amusing


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melman

(7,681 posts)
158. Sensational
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 06:16 PM
Sep 2019

Thanks for keeping me updated on your reading habits. Much appreciated.

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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
140. Doxxing will not work come time to vote
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:42 PM
Aug 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
147. They attack this way because that's their nature.
Wed Aug 21, 2019, 08:02 AM
Aug 2019


Ms. Angelou was a strong Obama and Hillary supporter who didn't need help remembering her own advice. This is now the second time for Sanders and the people he hires counting by national elections, and this is the nth-dozen time counting by similarly defining actions.

Copied here for any who missed it posted above,

DOXXING DISSENT: HOW BERNIE SANDERS' CAMPAIGN IS WAGING WAR ON ITS OPPOSITION
https://www.vettingbernie.org/2019/08/doxxing-dissent-how-bernie-sanders.html
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
151. Thank you for posting this. It's a good reminder AND good information!
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 04:33 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
160. Just read only 4% of likely voters over 65 support Sanders!
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:05 PM
Sep 2019

I was initially surprised (no one gets only 4%!), but I guess 6 and 7 decades is enough time for almost everyone to have learned to recognize all types. I OD'd on this one back in the 1960s and 70s.

I'm going to also guess the WTF rate is very high among older liberals for someone who believes we're really mostly the same as Republicans. My people! Would love to meet some for drinks and discuss it.

Oh, well. This The Hill article says what itcalls "Democratic" strategists think he's just too visionary for America's most reliable voting demographic. Nooo, that wouldn't be it. My own best guess is that, like Angelou, they just learned long ago to check pols for their BS quotients.

In the Quinnipiac poll, Biden wins 48 percent from voters over 65 years old, while Warren wins 20 percent.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/460161-bernie-sanders-struggles-to-win-over-older-voters


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Cha

(295,929 posts)
161. Thank you for Maya Angelou!
Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:17 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
163. Now they are threatening to dox a person for posting Cenk's own words.
Mon Dec 16, 2019, 08:31 PM
Dec 2019
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