Biden's singular advantage, as a candidate,

[saidsimplesimon]

is his support in the AA community. Black women are crucial for a Democratic get out the vote effort. Their efforts in the "rust belt" could very well determine the outcome of the 2020 elections.

It is my opinion that Senator Elizabeth Warren is our best qualified candidate. I have no doubts that she can excite and deliver turnout in the 2020 election. There are 3 candidates who will most likely still be standing when the primaries occur, Warren, Biden, Sanders. It seems possible that our votes could end up with each at or close to one third of the total vote.

Senator Warren is running a fantastic ground game. She needs the support of POC voters. If the goal of all Democrats is to defeat the current freeloader, I think she, not Joe Biden, is the person most likely to deliver.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-recalling-68-asks-audience-to-imagine-obamas-assassination/ar-AAGeYwB

The New York Times via MSN

Joe Biden, Recalling ’68, Asks Audience to Imagine Obama’s Assassination

Trip Gabriel and Isabella Grullón Paz

HANOVER, N.H. — Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Friday took a series of unusual rhetorical detours at the end of a town-hall-style campaign event nominally dedicated to health care, speculating about how a political assassination of Barack Obama might have affected the country in 2008 and recalling that he was accused of being gay because of his support of women’s rights in the 1970s.
…snip
Mr. Biden, 76, was making the point that events of the late 1960s and early ’70s raised his political awareness and propelled him into a political career. He ran successfully for the United States Senate in 1972 at age 29.

A campaign spokesman said Mr. Biden had previously drawn an analogy between an Obama assassination and the political killings of 1968 when speaking to younger audiences not alive at the time.

In 2008, running for the Democratic presidential nomination, Hillary Clinton drew criticism when she referenced the political assassinations of 1968 as she defended staying in the long primary battle against Mr. Obama. She noted first that Bill Clinton had not wrapped up the nomination until June 1992, and then added, “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”
...snip

[Voltaire2]

1. Biden's latest Hideous Gaffe ought to put him out of the race.

We cannot afford this level of unforced errors.

[saidsimplesimon]

4. I agree,it's the reason I had to say something.

[Demsrule86]

14. desperate cries from those who won't touch Biden's chances are kind of sad.

[saidsimplesimon]

15. It's still early for calls of desperation. imo

Plenty of time before the primaries for candidates to make a course correction.

[Demsrule86]

26. I call it as I see it... desperation is palpable.

[Perseus]

66. I call it as I see it too, and he/she who has the better view may be seeing it clearer?

One of the things that bothers me the most about Biden is the fact that republicans want Biden to be the nominee, they know they can pound on him because they know him well, and they will force him to come up with more gaffs.

For Biden to prove himself as the nominee he needs to go from today through the next debate without making a single gaff, can he do it? can he stay on script? We shall see.

I found the title of this article in The Guardian a bit offensive, but decided to read it nonetheless, and I think anyone who intends to be objective, who wants the best for their country and the Democratic party should read it as too.

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/23/joe-biden-inspires-no-one-not-even-his-own-wife|

[Demsrule86]

69. The GOP want EW clearly... not Biden...she has run on policy that

will be used to derail her in a general. And they know Trump can beat her in WI,PA and MI...and then he wins the electoral college.

[Perseus]

73. Things to consider, I will do some research to find out what her eligibility is in those states

You also bring a good point, the "Electoral College". Why hasn't any Democrat began a fight to eliminate this useless arm of our elections?

The electoral college only helps republicans by reducing the number of states where they need to hack computers, gerrymander, defranchising, and the many other tricks they use to cheat.

[elocs]

83. If Clinton had beaten Trump with an Electoral College victory but lost the popular vote,

we wouldn't hear anything about it here.
If Democrats want to win a presidential election then we need to have everybody who normally supports Democrats to get out and vote for the Democratic candidate. It's that simple.
Because come election day, getting out and voting is the only thing left you can do.

[Perseus]

90. If Hillary had won because of the Electoral College republicans would b working hard to eliminate it

The Electoral College has no use in this era, it only makes life easy for republicans to cheat, it reduces the number of states for hacking and doing what they do to suppress vote, etc. The choice of a president cannot be reduced to a few states, it invalidates the "your vote counts" when cheaters can overturn it.

[Garrett78]

92. Republicans know full well that the electoral college is their only chance.

Odds are slim that a Republican candidate is going to win the popular vote unless that party undergoes a major change.

[elocs]

94. Get used to it because I doubt the EC is going anywhere soon.

There's no excuse or substitute for Democrats turning out to vote. Trump won Wisconsin by under 24,000 votes, .77% while Jill Stein got nearly 31,000 votes or 1.1% and those were not conservative votes.
If Democrats turn out to vote for the Democratic candidate, no excuses or pouting or purity tests, we will win even the electoral vote.

[customerserviceguy]

104. Agreed

All it takes is thirteen states to block any amendment to the Constitution, and there are at least that many with five or fewer electoral votes.

[saidsimplesimon]

85. Thanks for the link, well worth reading

The case for Biden’s invincibility is especially baffling – he’s been running for the Democratic nomination (and losing) since the 1980s. It simply boils down to Obama coalition supporters (particularly black and brown voters) going with the most familiar face to rid of Trump era upheavals.

But electability is just one element of what voters are looking for, and Biden is running on nothing else. He has failed to adequately address his past positions in favor of Medicare and Social Security cuts, his engineering of loathed free trade deals, or his opposition to important desegregation measures.

[Garrett78]

89. The Rust Belt myth lives on. A misunderstanding of what happened in 2016 plays a big role.

[treestar]

30. We'll see the next few polls.

[Butterflylady]

43. Really,

I thought about that all the time and was so scared for his life. Please, I went thru JFK, Bobby and MLK and believe me it was heart wrenching. Thank goodness for the improvement of secret service, I only wish it had been sooner. These were great men and one can only imagine how much better all our lives would had they lived.

[Doodley]

87. If Biden"s so-called gaffes are his biggest problem, then he's an ideal candidate. There is nothing

of substance in this complaint about Biden. Why not spend as much time talking about Trump's gaffes, which would be a minute element of all the issues about him?

[onetexan]

97. +1 -K&R

[Joe941]

95. Whatever...

[yardwork]

103. Lol.

[pangaia]

2. I cringed when I read that Sec of State Clinton said that.

[Butterflylady]

47. Why?

[Autumn]

3. "unusual rhetorical detours" Quite the turn there

[saidsimplesimon]

5. Nice catch Autumn

[Autumn]

10. I catch a lot of things. Like the "over 40 kids shot at Kent State on a beautiful lawn".

Biden was a college student at that time. We all knew how many were shot. It's one of those things like where were you when Kennedy was killed.

[cwydro]

17. No kidding, and people are doing some serious gymnastics trying to explain that away.

I initially supported Biden, still like him, but these “misspeaks” are getting worrisome.

I also agree with you that he seems tired; I’d be exhausted and I’m a heluva lot younger.

[Autumn]

21. I watched this happen with my Father. I wonder if this is why Obama

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was hesitant for him to run.

[cwydro]

22. Well, he'd certainly be in a position to know.

Some of the comments in that twitter thread reference that very thing.

[cwydro]

28. I finally watched the entire video.

What were those comments about women all about? “No woman here will admit to remembering” the events.

Condescending much?

[bluewater]

35. The apologists say the comments about women are a form of "gallantry"

Something about no women in the audience looks old enough to remember it ....

Or read about it too, I guess?

The apologists get vague on that...

[cwydro]

42. Yeah, I found that bizarre.

I hated when nurses and doctors called my mom “young lady” when she was 90.

She hated it too.

[saidsimplesimon]

38. I share this memory with you.

After all these years, I will never forget the TV news footage of National Guard firing on and killing unarmed students.

Who ordered the troops to fire on US children, some under the age of 18?

[cwydro]

45. I was only a child, and I remember it well.

[Demsrule86]

6. I disagree...she will not win the states we need...the rust belt

She is not the candidate.Biden is despite the desperate claims of gaffes which won't sway his supporters...preaching to the choir...way to much detail policy from Warren and some that simply will cost her a general We need Biden to be the nominee. And AA women will support whom they choose despite the lectures...they are smart and know who will show Trump the door. They don't have to support anyone just because you all think they should.

[Thekaspervote]

9. Agree, I like EW, but her poll numbers with the AA voting block are DISMAL!

Can’t win without them, which has been pointed out again and again

[True Dough]

27. Maybe certain posters who'd like to hold her down have pointed that out again and again

but it doesn't mean those numbers won't improve.

[Demsrule86]

39. No, but I consider it unlikely...and we still won't win the general.

[Thekaspervote]

72. No one is saying those number won't change.

Not trying to hold her down... simply dealing with facts

[brush]

67. IMO that is why you can't cut out Harris yet. She will probably come in second to Biden in SC...

once the two 95% white events of Iowa and NH are over. SC has a majority AA demographic and she will get support there. Then with California her home state with its huge delegate haul having moved its primary up to Super Tuesday, she will get considerably boost and be squarely in the race and in a position to be a kingmaker (if she decides it's not in the cards for her after that) and make a deal for herself if she decides to shift her support to Biden or Warren.

Sanders is another matter but IMO he won't be the factor he was in 2016 with Warren siphoning off progressive/left votes from him.

[bluewater]

7. Biden speaking in NH: "I want to be clear. I'm not going nuts."

Link to tweet

Ok....

FYI: The comments are not kind to Joe.

The fear is that Biden could really blow the general election

That's why people point out the apparently ongoing stream of gaffes, verbal blunders, memory lapses and plain old bad judgement when Biden speaks away from the teleprompter.

Just look at that tweet where he felt he had to tell the audience "I am not going nuts." He obviously picked up on how badly he was being received to feel the need to say THAT.

[Autumn]

13. I watched the same thing with my Father. I know, it took two years in Dad's case.

Link to tweet

[Baclava]

19. Comments are brutal, "Bow out, dementia, call off his campaign" those are the kinder ones n/t

[cwydro]

20. I hadn't seen this.

Those comments are brutal.

[bluewater]

23. Apologists will say it's due to being a former stutterer.

[True Dough]

29. Which is outright drivel

A sympathy ploy. We shouldn't be trying to cultivate votes based on sympathy.

[Thekaspervote]

74. No Biden supporters are not seeking "sympathy " votes ..that's lame

[Thekaspervote]

8. To the first 5 posters... ya'll just don't know when to let it go

You are all entitled to your opinion, you have your favorites, why not say something positive about your candidate of choice?

Your constant and continued bashing is really old, and not changing the hearts and minds of those you oppose

[bluewater]

11. The fear is that Biden could really blow the general election

That's why people point out the apparently ongoing stream of gaffes, verbal blunders, memory lapses and plain old bad judgement when Biden speaks away from the teleprompter.



Just look at that tweet where he felt he had to tell the audience "I am not going nuts." He obviously picked up on how badly he was being received to feel the need to say THAT.

[Thekaspervote]

25. So, how's all that bashing workin' for ya?

I like EW .... would luv to see a women prez

3 outstanding things that are not getting better

1.she is not well liked in her own state. Seems those that know her best don’t want her as prez

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/30/20691246/elizabeth-warren-massachusetts-unpopular

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/09/20/elizabeth-warren-for-president-new-survey-shows-mass-voters-don-love-that-idea/eRMzdOVBxe2Bc0Jxk1v9nK/story.html

Al Gore would have won had he carried his own state of TN, and FL would have been a moot point. With him his father created such bad karma, that he could not overcome it.

2. Her support in the AA community is just not there. She will not win the general if they stay home. Their comments about Hillary, althou her support there was pretty good was “didn’t have dog in the race.”

3. Her comment in one of the deabates I believe it was the second one about having a “no first strike policy was absolutely wrong.” OMG!! I am just not sure why that slid under the radar of so many. This country has had a no first strike policy since Lincoln told Seward who urged him to strike that no way would he be the one to draw first blood

Biden has his foibles, none of our candidates are or ever will be president Obama, he was a once in a lifetime gig. The purity test of constantly picking on any dem candidate is wrong

As far as your comment about I’m not going nuts etc.. that’s JUST your opinion and you are entitled to it. You write as if you know what he was thinking.. no you don’t. Assumption is not fact. Quit!!

[bluewater]

31. Matt Viser is a respected political reporter at the Washington Post

Matt Viser
Verified account
@mviser
National political reporter at @washingtonpost | Reachable at [e-mail]

Link to tweet

Is the Washington Post out to get Joe too now?

[Thekaspervote]

59. I'm not saying that isn't what he said, I'm saying that your negative twist on it is what's wrong

And, once again your last statement shows what I’m talking about. Always always a pick a slap against another candidate

[Green Line]

32. I live in Mass

I don't know anyone who likes her here. She will not win the general.

[Perseus]

37. Its funny how that works

I know many people who, although they like Biden as a person, but they don't want him to be the nominee. I think the "facial recognition" advantage that Biden may have at this time may disappear as soon as his gaffes start piling up, and people start understanding his stances that are not as progressive as many Democrats would like it to be.

And by the way, I know a lot of people in Mass, and they do like Warren, I wonder what area of Mass you are in.

Right now I think the best ticket is Sanders/Warren. For one, Sanders will not allow the creature to insult him, he will take the creature's masquerade off and the creature will coward from attending debates against him, and Warren will do the same to Pence.

Here is a good article from The Guardian on Biden:

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/23/joe-biden-inspires-no-one-not-even-his-own-wife|

[Thekaspervote]

57. Here's another guardian article that shows why he's in the lead

“Joe Biden, the boring candidate, that’s why he’s doing so well”

In essence the article says Americans want a return to normal..
which can be quite boring at times

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/19/joe-biden-exciting-candidate

[Perseus]

77. Yes, I had read it

I think the article is relying too much in people's sentiment and I feel that author may be pointing out one of Biden's personality characteristics that I like the least, which is his thirst for being liked by everyone which can lead to real problems as it was pointed out in one of the debates regarding his "negotiation" with "Mitch" where he gave the deal to the republicans and we are still paying for it, there were no gains for Democrats.

trump will not respect anyone who becomes the nominee, and fire will have to be fought with fire, i don't see Biden doing it. As I have said many times. I will be behind him 100% if he becomes the nominee, and he he is, I hope he proves me wrong.

[Thekaspervote]

80. I'm trying to stick just to facts and not interject opinion and if I do I say so

Bashing of any dem candidate is wrong.

I too will vote for the nominee

[Perseus]

91. This is not bashing, sorry you feel that way, these are facts

And we need to go with the facts. Bashing is when you turn positives into negatives through severe criticism, recognizing that Biden has a problem with saying the wrong things at the wrong time is not bashing, it is worrying because I know republicans will make mountains out of molehills and run with it.

We need a solid candidate who will bring the party together and bring people to cast their votes. Maybe for many people that candidate is Biden, I will continue to observe and be as objective as I can to make sure I can choose the right candidate when the time comes.

[Green Line]

86. I'm in a very blue area of Mass

Just a few miles from Boston. You may know a lot of people in Mass, but I live here, she gets elected because she has a D beside her name and the Republican party is almost non existentent here, except for the fake moderate Charlie Baker. If she is the nominee, I'll work for her and vote for her. I really don't think she can win the rust belt though.

[JenniferJuniper]

51. I live in Mass, and all the Democrats I know

really like her.

Of course, my drunk, Fox News watching uncle hates her with a passion as does my cousin Larry, the wing nut gun lover who stores Jim Bakker food buckets in his basement.

But they won't vote for Biden either.

[Autumn]

70. Odd how a discussion about Biden's actual words and behavior is considered bashing and

the "defense" of his actions veers off into whataboutissm.

[Thekaspervote]

75. Not hear mammmm.. dealing in just facts

[Autumn]

81. Oh yes. What about Warren? What about Pete? What about Steyer.

The only one I haven't seen today is... What about Undecided.

[saidsimplesimon]

107. Oklahoma, solid red

How's your candidate polling in that state?

[Demsrule86]

12. It just makes me mad. I like Elizabeth Warren as a Senator not as president...she comes from

a state with a Republican governor and should not have run IMHO. I will support her in a general ...vote blue no matter who, but I don't think she will win...and we could lose the house if run left with Warren.

[saidsimplesimon]

16. Senator Warren

is agile enough to tweak her message, closer to the center, after she wins the primary.

If what we say on DU has any merit, Democrats will show up to vote and win in 2020 regardless of who wins the primary. The winner will be the candidate with the best ground game who can GOTV. Right now, Warren has that advantage. imo

[Demsrule86]

24. She has gone to far...and I doubt she can tweak her message...and we still lose

a Senate seat...and she is not going to excite our AA community...she is simply not the best nominee this year. I would vote for her...vote blue...but I fear she would lose badly and God forbid we might lose the house.

[Bradshaw3]

36. All of your concerns are misplaced

We would not lose her senate seat, as has been pointed out many times on here. There would be a special election soon afterward and the Dems would win it again.

She has excited the AA community when she has gone to events, and her support will grow as candidates drop out and when she is the nominee. To suggest her numbers are static is ridiculous and weak.

She is simply the best nominee and has so many things going over Biden it is not funny. Solid, well-thought out policy proposals combined with an ability to explain them to the average voter. Her vibrancy and energy level is something Biden cannot touch. We need that.

Not only would she not lose badly she would be a much safer choice in that she counters rump in areas where Biden cannot and her economic policies will appeal to people in the midwest, and she will bring out female voters, which is how we won in 2018.

[Demsrule86]

40. We would and with a GOP governor,we can't count on getting it back.

[Bradshaw3]

52. Also wrong

There wil be a special election, no matter what the governor does. You say here we can't count on getting it back but in the other post you state flatly we would lose it. So your posts make no sense.

[Demsrule86]

63. Two words...Scott Brown. She would have to resign her Senate seat...

Thus. for the important early days of her presidency, we would not have the Senate...and the election could be delayed...and a Republican could win a special election... I won't support her in a primary for this and other reasons...a general sure...but I don't think she makes it into the general.

[Demsrule86]

41. A person who can't win the states we need is no the best candidate no matter

if she is the most politically perfect candidate in the world...she will be the best candidate to ever lose a general...but she will still lose...sure she has my vote,but she won't rebuild the blue wall..and we may even lose the house. I like Warren but she is not the best candidate for 2020...she has no AA support.

[Bradshaw3]

49. Repeating fact-challenged assertions does not make them true

But that is all you have obviously. Your concerns and assertions are not only misplaced but untrue.

[Thekaspervote]

78. Then you should look at your opinion based comment #33. It's your opinion not fact

And yes, you are entitled to your opinion

[Demsrule86]

44. Democrats alone won't win the general...always the mistake who claim every year that

this is a 'base' election...presidential elections are not base elections...you need independents for sure.

[empedocles]

18. Certainly Warren is that risk

[Perseus]

50. I don't have a favourite at this time, I am trying hard to do a lot of analysis

I do have my least favourites, and Biden is on that list.

One thing I can tell you is that Biden will not beat the creature, Biden continually shoots himself on the foot, he lacks progressive ideas and will be vilified as "more of the same". I will vote for him if he becomes the nominee, but the goal has to be greater than just getting rid of trump and winning the senate, we need someone who can fix the country, who can reverse all the wrongdoing republicans have done during these three years, and I don't see Biden being able to do that.

At this time I find that Sanders has what it takes to ridicule the creature during debates, Sanders doesn't allow people to bully him, Warren has a similar agenda as Sanders, and she too will put Pence on his place. Although I won't consider those two my favourites, I find that their actions up to now deserve more consideration than Biden who has said very little constructive and has made many gaffs.

He called the creature "Mr. President" four times in a very short time during one of the debates, to me that is pandering to the right, that will not win him any votes from Democrats. As I have said before, one of Biden's weaknesses is that he wants to be liked by all, he thinks "Mitch", as he calls him, is his friend and there could be nothing further from the truth.

[saidsimplesimon]

76. I speak only for myself.

My preference has gone from undecided to full throttle support for Senator Warren. I don't "oppose" any of our top 3 candidates. Any one of them can beat rump in 2020. "We" make it happen when the dust settles.

Ms. Warren has the stamina and organization to run the long and difficult campaign needed for victory. She will be an excellent President. imo

[treestar]

33. Some people don't understand analogy

the types who will say "how dare you compare this to that?" as if intellectual comparison is offensive/impossible.

The SAT tests that type of thing, or did. But yet you can find college graduates who, years later, forget and no longer can deal with a simple analogy.

[Perseus]

34. Here is a very good article from the Guardian about Biden

[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/23/joe-biden-inspires-no-one-not-even-his-own-wife|

[Demsrule86]

46. That you consider this a 'good' article says it all...opinion with little merit.

[Perseus]

71. I have always like Biden as a person, I am not a fanatic

Your accusation has no merit. I want a candidate that the republicans will not be pounding on, one who doesn't care if he is liked by his opponents because you are not going to change those, one who has progressive ideas, one who doesn't trip over his words everyday giving the opposition unnecessary ammunition.

As I said, I am not a fanatic, and if Biden becomes the nominee I will vote for him, I won't stay home, or vote for an independent, I will support him 100%, but my wish today is that he does not become the nominee, and I will read all opinions as well as make my own to make sure that when the time comes I can choose the best candidate, fanatism tends to make us blind, I intend to keep my eyesight 20/20.

[mtnsnake]

93. Excellent article, Perseus

Thanks for posting it.

[JI7]

48. does this article mention how Warren can win the black vote ?

[Demsrule86]

56. +1000 the the AA women I campaign with and know pretty well are

moderate to conservative...some don't get that. And a depressed AA turnout would be a disaster for us in a general.

[JI7]

60. my question was about whether the article mentioned how Warren can win the black vote

i didn't say she can't.

[Demsrule86]

62. I will say it...she can't and won't... I could see Harris winning it but not

Warren. She is not the best candidate to defeat Trump.

[JI7]

65. i was asking if the article mentioned how she could do it

[cwydro]

98. Anyone, black or white, who doesn't vote for whomever our candidate is - is a fool.

And they are voting for the shitstain against their own interests.

I can’t imagine someone sitting this out because the candidate is not “perfect” for them.

[emmaverybo]

53. Best qualified? How? She may be, to you and supporters, the candidate with the best policy

proposals, the one you find the most inspiring, who is running the best campaign, who you project is the most electable. You may attribute to her the best leadership potential, strongest knowledge of economics, most energetic presence, broadest intellect—any number of appealing characteristics which could translate into her being a great president.

But the candidate with job-specific qualifications is Biden—in fact, the only candidate with proven, tested qualifications, knowledge, and experience in all phases of the job.

For one, Warren has little foreign policy and relations knowledge, which, objectively, given an American president’s crucial role in world affairs, though not disqualifying, means she is not yet
qualified for one of the most important functions a president will fulfill as she repairs our relations with allies, deals with threats hostile nations pose, and brokers peace throughout the globe. Here, trust and credibility is at issue. Is Warren honestly the best candidate to bring Iran back to the table
to re-negotiate the deal Obama led other world powers in securing?

Snip————————

Even some prominent conservatives concede that Biden would bring to the campaign a formidable depth of knowledge of global events, especially compared to his would-be Democratic rivals.

“If you look at this field, Biden is a giant in terms of his actual foreign policy experience. They have nowhere near the hands-on experience that he’s had,” said Ken Weinstein, president of the conservative Hudson Institute. “He spent decades talking to world leaders and in that sense, he’s got far deeper contacts.”

Snip—————————-

He’s been doing this for 30-plus years and even the best foreign policy hands end up being tutored by Joe Biden,” said one former foreign policy adviser to Biden who declined to speak on the record until that person’s former boss makes a decision about 2020. “We have a lot of candidates and unfortunately very few of them have any real depth or experience working in foreign policy issues.”

Snip——————————

While several declared Democratic contenders have served on Senate committees with foreign policy or national security purviews — Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) on the Senate Intelligence Committee and Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee — none are associated with major foreign policy achievements, and their campaign pitches focus less on issues like North Korea and Syria than on health care or the economy. Another candidate, Pete Buttigieg, a lieutenant in the U.S. Navy Reserve, is a veteran of the Afghanistan war.

When Warren rolled out an economics-heavy foreign policy vision in a speech and long essay last year, some critics dismissed it as “not as much about foreign policy as it is about reorienting domestic policy.” (Italics mine)

End snip——————————————

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/20/biden-2020-foreign-policy-national-security-1228345

To say you think Warren the most electable (according to your crystal ball), the candidate best positioned to move America forward, most temperamentally suited etc. would be reasonable supporter claims, which could have an objective basis in reality, but contending Warren is best
qualified next to a candidate who has been a heartbeat away from the presidency, and showed presidential qualifications in the VP role, is mere hyperbole.

Warren has ample gifts to make her a real contender. Her knowledge of economics is unquestionable. You don’t need to guild the Lilly.

[Demsrule86]

58. +1000...and all her gift are useless if she loses a general which I believe she would

I would vote for her and campaign for her, but she won't rebuild the blue wall without which we have no path to the presidency.

[Thekaspervote]

96. Great well thought out post!! Thx emmaverybo

[brush]

54. You can't leave out Harris and Buttigieg. They have enough money and support to last.

And once we get past the 95% white events in Iowa and NH the real primaries start as the Democratic Party's real constituency, which consists of people of color as well as whites, will finally vote for candidates.

Buttigieg will do well in Iowa, his midwest stomping ground, and probably NH too, at least well enough to continue.

In South Carolina with it's large AA demographic, I suspect Harris will do well, probably second to Biden and that will put her squarely in the race, and with her home state of California and it's huge haul of delegates moving up it's primary to Super Tuesday, it's not smart to count her out yet.

[4139]

55. Be prepared for anti-Biden ads targeting the AA community in the general election...

‘Biden sided with segregationists against school integration bussing’


If Biden is the nominee I’ll bet you 10,000 quatloos there will be ads like that

[Demsrule86]

61. That will lose votes for candidates who run such ads in the primary ...in the

general with president Trumpy's white supremacist views...don't make me laugh...so not effective and that is Biden's greatest strength in a general, you can't label him...folks know who he is.

[4139]

64. I said be prepared for that in the "general election" if Biden is the nominee

[Demsrule86]

68. I gave you the general too...I said with Trump the racist such ads wouldn't work...and

Biden is too well known for any of that shit to work...It is in my post.

[CrispyQ]

79. At first I was kind of horrified by Biden's comment,

but I realized that the entire eight years Obama was president I worried about exactly that. I was six when JKF was killed, so I was a kid during all three assassinations. It shook my world. Now we are deep into gun culture and had Sarah Palin spouting her racist spew while sporting cross-hair posters, so hell yeah, I was scared it would happen again. Still, it was jarring to hear it spoken out loud.

I think Biden's strength is what he brings to the global stage - a sense of familiarity & hope that maybe the US can regain some sanity. That said, I think our traditional allies would be happy with anyone but Trump.

[saidsimplesimon]

82. Biden does have more experience.

He also has the most political baggage of any candidate running in the Democratic Primary. imo

(I considered the General Election match up when making my choice. I gave some weight to a candidates' public record on legislation, remarks and their fitness to run the marathon, mentally and physically.)

[Princetonian]

84. Much ado about nothing. Same media who smeared Senator Obama now attacking his brother VP Joe.

Obama Mamas are voting for two term VP Joe Biden not someone who likely voted twice for the man that coined the term "welfare queen" and ushered in the golden age of Republican attacks against the poor and neediest among us.

[Doodley]

88. Agreed. Unfortunate to see our friends her joining in those attacks.

[myohmy2]

99. much...

...to do about nothing...

...no matter who our nominee is the African American community will not be voting for trump...single digits at best...

...and unless you've been living in a cave, turn out in all communities will be extremely strong because of the trump factor; you either passionately love him or you passionately hate him...

...there'll be no apathetic in between...

[stonecutter357]

101. Biden's singular advantage , He was never a republican ?

[saidsimplesimon]

105. Check Biden's voting record

I will vote for any candidate who wins our primary. At this point in time, and I remain open to change, Elizabeth Warren has detailed policy proposals and a plan of action. That is my number one criteria for ranking. Another must have is a "story" and personality that connects with voters across a broad spectrum, including moderate Republicans who may stay home or, less likely, vote Democratic in 2020.

[stonecutter357]

106. I don't need to Check Biden's voting record .