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Related: About this forumBernie's campaign staff makes history by being the first to unionize
Bernie Sanders is the most pro-union candidate in the field, hell be the most pro-union president in the White House and were honored that his campaign will be the first to have a unionized workforce, Sanders' campaign manager Faiz Shakir said in a statement.
Over the past week, a majority of the staff's bargaining unit employees designated United Food and Commercial Workers Local 400 to represent them. The campaign stayed neutral during organizing efforts and voluntarily recognized the union once a majority of staffers signed union cards, according to both the campaign and the union.
Walking the walk. Go Bernie!
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thewhollytoast
(318 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....and her favorite Showtime program was "Nurse Jackie".
If honesty is "nasty", I guess I'm pretty nasty too!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)You know... When someone says to me "you're nasty" it ACTUALLY means "I feel threatened by you".
Those types of personal attacks and insults are usually a way for someone to compensate for their feelings of insecurity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,242 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
karynnj
(59,501 posts)Remember slogans like "workers united will never be defeated"? The idea in business was that if the entire non management workforce was represented by a union, there was a more equal playing field between the workers and the employer. Without a union, any employee, without any unique skill that rendered him or her more valuable than a similar person who could be hired, would have little leverage to argue for higher wages or anything else.
In a campaign, which exists for at most a few years, this might be even more important. Think of all the complaints made against many campaigns, wouldn't a union allow an internal mechanism that might be able to fix these problems early on?
Do you think unions are valuable to help people with relatively little power individually?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,242 posts)pay disparity, and harassment.
This is a victory for BS's campaign workers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)me of those class projects where you do some real/life exercise which count as credit. I had a copyright class once where we had to take a picture we had personally taken and then follow the teachers instructions along the way of getting the picture copyrighted and fill in our experiences and the final copyright confirmation.
In real life, it didnt mean anything, but it was class credit, so that was real life at the time.
This seems a bit gimmicky.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,242 posts)because he had to meet with the former campaign workers who had blown the whistle on what had happened in his last campaign?
Maybe the whistleblowers insisted on unionization to protect BS campaign workers going forward.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)a grievance process to address sexual harassment issues should they arise again this time around? That the women on his 2016 campaign just were able to get him to pay attention to their grievances only this year is sickening. Does not recommend him to me as someone who takes such issues seriously.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That certainly makes sense. If that's the case, then someone wanting to reframe an embarrassing negative into a positive would be an understandable strategy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What Masha Mendieto reported was very disturbing.
I read that the meeting a few months ago that was requested by former staffers was because they feared that it had not been addressed, or dealt with, and those issues might be repeated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and Democrats tend to like that. I know I do.
It's also clearly a way of handling the public fallout of Sanders' problem with female staff. Now any mention of misogyny and ignored abuse will provide the opportunity to seque to unionization and pointing out that his operation now has a union to take any complaints to.
I'm remembering that Sanders explained that he actually skipped the critical vote trying to block the Republicans from lifting sanctions on Russian oligarch Deripaska in order to meet with women who'd made public complaints. We came within just a couple of votes of carrying it; one more Republican might have had an attack of conscience and Sanders not been there. So if that was the reason, seemingly dealing with his staff problem was of such high priority to him that he didn't dare even reschedule his meeting with them. Perhaps unionizing as a solution was agreed on at that meeting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,943 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)If he could have rescheduled his personnel-problems meeting (and what United States Senator cannot when there's an extremely important vote to show up for?), that would mean he refused to vote to block the lifting of Russian sanctions for some other reason. I'm actually a lot more curious about why he would potentially risk letting the Republicans and Russia prevail against Senate Democrats than about his tax returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He had already voted against the sanctions once before, right? I doubt that his opinion had changed in the interim. I have sincere doubts that he'd have voted for them this time. It was a NO-WIN vote for him. He could vote for the sanctions this time (and be accused of hypocrisy) or he could vote against them (consistent, yes... but also a gift to Russia). My best guess is that this "meeting" was a convenient excuse to miss the vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to also consider that his refusals to stand against the Republicans and Russia on sanctions could have been for the same reason both times, but that the excuses he gave before wouldn't work this time.
I'm remembering that at the same time the Republicans were helping him create the appearance of a foreign affairs expertise he didn't have since he wasn't on any of our foreign relations committees. And, after all, he had not yet "pledged" to the Democratic Party. Independent doesn't mean anything if a senator can't go his own way.
Fwiw, I believe that this time Sanders would not not last through Super Tuesday without Russia's assistance. He never needed to actively seek it, merely being a dissident-left candidate made him very useful. The Mueller investigation established that Russia was using him to defeat Democrats in 2016, and our intelligence services say they're doing the same this time.
We also know that the sanctions have been extremely hurtful to Russia (and very personally enraging to Putin) and that, then and now, their removal is of paramount, even potentially existential importance to Russia.
But Sanders says he had to attend an office meeting. And I'm also keeping open the possibility that to him that really might have been more important. His mind goes where mine is unable to follow.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolabear
(41,959 posts)Whats the point? I dont understand how it would work in this situation. Id like to.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Bernies campaign when he has had so many unreconciled problems. His would be the last I would emulate. There are unreconciled FEC flags, huge payments to media consultants, open harassment claims. This attempt to unionize is just a gimmicky distraction. I just find it appalling that the focus on a union is being used as pressure on other candidates to prove themselves in light of the other outstanding issues.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)of the article in the OP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)You can google those items and see.. I didnt even get into Tad Devine that much, but the media consultant payments are quite interesting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I hope that clarifies things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Companies or organizations usually unionize to protect workers against pay/position inequality, sexual abuse or harassment, or poor working conditions. Apparently based on past issues these employees felt the need to unionize to protect against a recurrence of such problems.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)and explain that this was a corrective measure they are implementing to assure all parties. Instead its being presented as a competition with other campaigns (they are the first!) and a way to say others who dont mirror are not progressive enough. Why not just be honest.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...probably don't feel the need to seek the protection of a labor union.
Also, it's interesting that a year or so ago when her chief of staff was accused of sexual harassment, Elizabeth Esty was forced to resign (actually she finished out the short remainder of her term and didn't seek re-election). That was ONE person on her staff. Yet we have dozens of complaints of abuse, harassment, and pay inequality in another campaign but it's just pooh poohed and the campaign goes on.
I suppose that's the difference between being a woman vs. being a man.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....that occurred during the last campaign, this appears to be a preemptive act on the part of his campaign employees. It will provide a true grievance process should the issues of several years ago arise again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,493 posts)Otherwise this is mere symbolism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,943 posts)treating them. That was not in place for the last campaign, as we saw in the complaints of sexism. This is a good thing, and it is needed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,242 posts)to work conditions on his campaign.
At least his employees have some redress now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)and still oppose the candidate's nomination.
I bet the employees on the campaign appreciate this, as all Democrats should who favor collective bargaining.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)
there are so many people supporting the candidates... some give donations and work for little, or no pay. When things go wrong for them, who helps? It's nice to see some organized force in support of the staffers!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Squinch
(50,943 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,242 posts)women had to endure last time around.
http://time.com/5490813/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexual-harassment/
People involved in the effort said they signed the letter before Sanders (I-Vt.) officially launches a 2020 presidential bid in the hope that it would lead to real action if and when the senator begins assembling his team. Organizers wrote they wanted the meeting to produce a plan for implementing concrete sexual harassment policies and procedures; and a commitment to hiring diverse leadership to pre-empt the possibility of replicating the predatory culture from the first presidential campaign.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/30/bernie-sanders-campaign-harassment-1077014
Two delegates who supported Mr. Sanders two years ago recently told his staff that he cant run for president again without addressing the sexism they believe surfaced in his last campaign.
There was an entire wave of rotten sexual harassment that seemingly was never dealt with, one of the delegates wrote in a December email, obtained by The New York Times, to a Sanders political strategist.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexism.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rgbecker
(4,826 posts)making sure his employees had a union.
WTF?
The place has been invaded by trolls....or something.
The hatred for Bernie Sanders is so thick. I hope Admin gives them their own forum soon.
Just in two days: 1. Bernie, drunk and mad about Beto's announcement head butts a glass door and says he didn't really need stitches and did not fall but even though that seems a bit off, it must be something and his staff are just lying about it all.
2. Bernie thinks having a unionized staff will win him lots of support so why else would he do such a thing? Or maybe his employees were going to all quit because of the harassment which led him to miss the Russian Sanction vote and he was forced into unionizing because unlike the employees at Walmart, Home Depot and rest they just don't like the way they are treated by Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...they do so when there are workplace conditions that warrant it, or they see a potential future reason to be unionized.
It would be more appropriate for them to join the Campaign Workers Guild than United Food and Commercial Workers. They're neither food nor commercial workers. Makes one wonder why they chose that one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,321 posts)UFCW represents quite a few workers who are neither food nor commercial workers; it's a big umbrella.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rgbecker
(4,826 posts)because Employers are working overtime to keep Employees from making sure they have a union.
Bravo for the success of Bernie's staffers!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)a vocal minority on DU. That much is obvious.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)All I'm saying is, most people can tell the difference even with the positive "spin"... and it has nothing to do with a "vocal minority" (whatever that's supposed to mean.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,321 posts)Looking forward to see how negotiations go.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)gender pay inequities they are trying to deflect. Making this about other Democrats is just a distraction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)But thank you for your input.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)in the magnitude as Sanders was. He is in a unique position. None of the others deserve pre/emptive finger pointing from his campaign. He should be honest about the reason this union is forming and leave others out if it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Look up the names:
Burns Strider
Larry Wallace
Abbas Malik
All SENIOR AIDES,not staffers, who were forced to leave due to continued,unchecked sexual harassment.
To make it seem as though sexual harassment is unique only to the Sanders campaign is ridiculous and a mathematical impossibility when you have thousands of staff and volunteers working on a campaign. The lengths some people will go to demonize Bernie Sanders is astonishing.
And then of course there's Anita Hill.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)literally dozens of campaign staff who shared universal harassment stories from all levels of management. The facts dont support your distractions. The harassment claims were unique to Bernies campaign.
Anita Hill was decades ago. Bernie has open harassment claims in the MeToo era.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)Presumably, every campaign will have a gamut of personnel problems. The problems with Bernies were documented major grievances from a multitude of women, facts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)Why did you veer off into the non-sequitur of sexual harassment? Don't you think unionizing campaign members is a good thing? As a Democrat shouldn't you be cheering and praising what he did?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)responsibility for his campaign problems and why he had to unionize. Insisting Democrats copy him when they have no similar campaign abuses is just a ploy to change the subject from his campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,157 posts)why didn't he do this in 2016?
Imagine what the optics would have been then in a primary against Hillary.
Or hell, why didn't he go for unionization of his staff in the 2018 campaign? Randy Bryce was able to do so, why couldn't he? Or did he feel he had it all sewn up and wouldn't need to make such a headline (and donation)-seeking move?
I guess that means he's only learned to "walk the walk" fairly recently...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)there must be several more candidates with unionized staffs.
Feel free to name them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)By pointing fingers at other Democrats for not unionizing, he gets to deflect from the abuses of his own campaign.
He should have been honest that this move is unique to his campaign for the harassment claims against his own. Its a shame he wasnt honest.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden