Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumElizabeth Warren explains how to run a flawless campaign
Warren attempted to stay above the fray Friday night. Im not here to criticize, Im here to talk about how we build a future, she said when asked about Bidens remark earlier in the day about [t]hat kid wearing a hoodie might be the next poet laureate and not a gang banger."
It's not that hard, is it?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)to help differentiate herself from the other front runners.
There are substantive differences.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)NT
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elocs
(22,566 posts)if she plays his game and gets into the mud, mocking, and name calling because nobody is better at Trump's game than he is. You can't respond to his taunts and get defensive because that allows him to dictate and control the conversation, or what passes for a conversation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Elizabeth ended his candidacy in 30 seconds.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrFunkenstein
(8,745 posts)Oh come on, give me a break, Warren said with exasperation. This is exactly what the fossil fuel industry wants us to be talking about. Thats what they want us to talk about: This is your problem.
Warren continued: They want stir up a lot of controversy around your light bulbs, around your straws, and around your cheeseburgers, when 70 percent of the carbon that were throwing into the air comes from three industries.
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/09/give-me-a-break-elizabeth-warren-just-cut-through-the-dumbest-climate-argument/
Warren is whip smart and extremely disciplined in her message, always keeping an eye on her central populist themes and tying it to her personal biography. She really is running a very, very impressive campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)She has to go full-throttle after Trump or he'll kick her teeth in just like he did Hillary. It can't be about dismissing the attack with a cute quip and pivoting back to substance.
If she does, she will lose. You can write that down and we'll revisit this tale but if she focuses solely on the issues, and only minimally on Trump, especially during the debates, she will lose. She will lose because people will tune her out and the only thing they'll hear is Trump's slander. The exact thing you're advocating for was done by Hillary in 2016. She worked to stay above the mud slinging and personal attacks during the debates, pulling back from the rhetoric she used in a lot of her speeches, and what happened is that Trump spent the whole debate calling her nasty, a liar, a crook, parading around the women who accused Bill of sexual misconduct and... that's what people remember. Not her words about child separation, which she predicted, or her words about Russia, but Trump lobbing insult after insult.
Ultimately, Warren is running a decent primary campaign, which is similar to Hillary's in 2016 (Hillary rarely ever went after Bernie) but it proved not to be a great general election campaign because, believe it or not, that vision thing doesn't seem to extend over into non-Democratic Party voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Tax returns?
Subverting the US Constitution, especially separation of powers
Unprecedented changes in AGs and FBI directors to cover crimes
Collusion with ancient enemies of the USA, as Trump shops for election hackers
etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)I'm sure you remember Senator Warren's first Committee hearing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)What she did there was no different how Hillary handled the debates with Trump. Hit on policy. That won't cut it. Sorry.
That video is great for a hearing. It's not great for a debate with Trump. I know this because Trump would not be acting like those at the hearing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)If you have seen Senator Warren in Committee, you would know she can be brutal. Two Wells Fargo CEOs have resigned in her wake.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Her quip was nice but it wasn't brutal.
It's more than just being brutal. It's about hitting him on his personal conduct, calling him out on it, attacking him. I haven't seen that from her yet and I think she gets too lost in the policy debates for that type of debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)We will see, because she is going to be the one up against trump in debates. I grow more certain of that every week.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)I think Warren could win but if her numbers against Trump don't improve, I think a lot of Democrats are going to be concerned enough with her electability that they back off - just like they did with Dean in 2004.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elocs
(22,566 posts)Frankly she was not disciplined when she got sucked into the whole Pocahontas thing and played right into Trump's hands on that.
She can't do that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Im amazed at how many people dont see that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,643 posts)...with that trick, and I think the Dems are prepared this time.
Don't wrestle in the mud with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,643 posts)...like the wrong mental orientation for this campaign against this president.
Elizabeth's got it right so far -- and so do most if not all of the Dems: let's not bloody each other when the mutual threat is so overwhelming.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden