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Sat Sep 14, 2019, 09:47 PM

 

Trump goes after Joy Reid this morning and DU promptly joins in with multiple threads trashing her

throughout the day for not being nice enough to one particular presidential candidate - and telling us why her opinion doesn’t matter.

Coincidence? I think not.

Patterns and themes ...
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Reply Trump goes after Joy Reid this morning and DU promptly joins in with multiple threads trashing her (Original post)
EffieBlack Sep 2019 OP
rogue emissary Sep 2019 #1
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 09:51 PM

1. Never thought I'd see the day I'd see DU members in lockstep with Donnie.

 

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:20 AM

61. No one at DU (excluding temporary "trolls" ) is in lockstep with Donnie. That is offensive.

 

Hyperbole is one thing. Disagreeing with other DUers is one thing. Firmly supporting your own candidate is one thing. But, no true DUer is in lockstep with Donnie.
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #61)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:11 PM

124. One man's troll is another man's supporter.

 

I should have been more precise in saying lockstep in attacking Joy.

That was wrong of me but does calling for a candidate to end their campaign really justify the vitriol many DU members have shared yesterday?
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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:31 AM

78. You still haven't seen that day

 

Occasionally Trump and some DU members will be mad at, or dislike, the same person. Like John Bolton or Jeff Sessions, for example.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 09:58 PM

2. Our criticism of Joy Reid has nothing to do with the reasons why Trump went after her.

 

She's been sniping at Biden for months. As Cha showed reposting a thread I'd posted back in May.

If anything, Trump would be pleased with Reid's criticism of Biden, who almost always does better than all the other Democratic candidates in GE polls of match-ups against him.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:01 PM

4. Uh-Hunh. Just a coincidence that, after months of her "sniping," today was the day

 

y’all decided to rise up and rebel...

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:07 PM

7. Today was the day she was pushig the idea that Biden should driop out.

 

As the threads about her have pointed out.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:10 PM

9. Really? Some here are claiming she's been doing it for weeks

 

People need to get their stories straight ...
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:16 PM

12. I haven't read all the replies in those threads, but I don't recall seeing any saying

 

Reid was promoting the idea of Biden dropping out before today.

Now, if they said she'd been sniping at him long before this, they'd be absolutely correct.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:15 AM

27. She didn't call for him to drop out today. That was her guest and she rebutted what he said.

 

The meme circulating that she called for him to step down is a lie and these people on DU need to stop repeating the lie. If they watched the show instead of regurgitating what they read here or on twitter would know better.

This bandwaggoning onto an easily debunked lie against a black woman is bordering upon racism.

DU you can do way the fuck better.
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Response to brush (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:34 AM

32. She allowed her guest to smear Biden at length, and she read from another Biden critic's column

 

denouncing him as a racist and calling on him to drop out.

She did not rebut anything either her guest or the author of that column said about Biden supposedly being a racist.

Her "rebuttal" consisted of suggesting maybe we have to settle for someone like Biden (meaning someone who's a racist) in a racist country.

But it was clear she felt that was a bad thing, a regrettable thing.

She'd have had no trouble finding any number of black Biden supporters to defend him.

But it was clear she didn't want any real defense of him.
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Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:22 AM

62. I'm not lying, and I posted the link to the interview in a thread defending Reid so people could

 

watch it.

Reid's getting all this pushback, including from black viewers, because of what she said and did.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:18 AM

28. That's a lie. Stop repeating it. Watch the show. It was her guest and she pushed back against it.

 

We can do better here. That lie is so easily debunked so why keep repeating it?
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Response to brush (Reply #28)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:28 AM

29. highplainsdem has watched the show and this is

 

what she had to say about it..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=280155

She's not "lying" as you accuse her of.

Apparently Reid has also asked on FB if Biden should drop out.. but no she's "not pushing"..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=279865
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Response to Cha (Reply #29)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:46 AM

36. Cha, here's a direct link to the Facebook post where Joy asks her viewers about this:

 

https://www.facebook.com/joyreidofficial/posts/2306261106153165
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #36)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:12 AM

37. Mahalo! Right.. "not promoting"..

 



"Our guest author Anand Giridharadas is not the only person who thinks Biden should drop out of the 2020 race after his debate comments. What do you think, #reiders? Watch and weigh in:"

I had a feeling you would look it up.. 'cause you're one of the best researchers!

LOl@first reply..

Robert Miller Biden drop out??? I thought it was a typo, and the title meant to say Castro! Castro was wrong about everything regarding his exchange with Biden. Biden knew exactly what he had said. If anyone should go, it should be Castro!

Mahalo, highplainsdem!

https://www.facebook.com/joyreidofficial/posts/2306261106153165
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Response to Cha (Reply #37)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:08 AM

81. It called being complicit

 

Put another way, I won’t say it, but I’ll let a guest chime in. This is sirota style stuff
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Response to Cha (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:42 AM

138. I did not watch the show but did see

 

Joy on the following show. She was saying the same things about Biden. I then turned her off.

The reason I turned her off before is the things she has been promoting on.

I intend to boycott Brian Williams, too. He is having Snowden on tonight.
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Response to brush (Reply #28)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:29 AM

30. I did watch it. She gave her guest a lot of time to say Biden should drop out and condemn him as

 

a racist. She read from a column written by someone else expressing a similar opinion. She did not push back against those views of Biden. She did admit he has AA support but she sounded regretful about that and said it was because black voters felt they had to settle for someone like Biden in this racist country.

That isn't pushing back. It was very clear she sided with the people who felt he should drop out.

The entire segment was designed to turn people against Biden and to convince black voters they shouldn't support him.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:39 AM

33. Did she herself say "Biden should drop out?" If not people are being cute with the facts.

 

And we are better than that and speculation as to what is "very clear" in her mind is just that—speculation.

DU, we can do better.
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Response to brush (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:09 AM

82. Again, it called being complicit

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #82)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:06 PM

131. That's how I saw it.

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:11 PM

10. Of course it doesn't have anything to do

 

with the asshole trump. Just a way for the OP to deflect from what Reid had on her show today, and previously insulting Biden supporters.. And insult members who don't like it.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:32 PM

18. You need to review the panel MSNBC had after the first debate

 

Joy Reid was part of the panel, and she praised Biden big time, she was on Biden's camp at that time, but maybe things that Biden has said/done, his history have turned Joy away from his camp.

I have said it in other posts, there seems to be some kind of fanatism for both Biden and Pelosi in DU, and that is not healthy. When either of them do or say something that goes against Democratic principles we must be able to analyze and have opinions about it. We cannot become fanatics, that is for republicans, not for open minded Democratic liberals. There are reasons why we are liberals, one of them is that we accept other people's opinions, we use them to learn, to make decisions, but we always keep our ears and eyes open.

Now, I have been saying for a while that the creature, and the republicans, seem to want Biden to be the nominee, they see his gaffes, and they know so much about Biden that for them it is easier to go after him. That is my opinion.

Again, this has nothing to do with the person Biden, I think he was a good VP, and I like him as a person, if he becomes the nominee I will definitely vote for him, there is no doubt. Now, do I think he is the right candidate? No I don't, and that is my opinion which I hope can be respected the same I respect the opinion of those who support him.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:49 PM

19. There's nothing remotely like "fanaticism" in defending our strongest Democratic leaders from

 

unfair and unreasonable criticism.

And there's absolutely no evidence that Trump and the GOP want Biden to be the nominee.

The opposite is true.

They're terrified of how well Biden polls against Trump.

They'd prefer any other Democratic candidate to Biden.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:12 PM

21. +1 From the outset, they have feared that Biden would run. He has. Now, their best hope is that

 

he loses the primary,
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:12 AM

84. This!! Biden is the only candidate that leaders of the free world begged to run. Dotard knows this

 

Pretty big endorsement !!
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:02 AM

71. +1000 nt

 

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Response to Perseus (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:32 AM

63. +1000!

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 09:59 PM

3. Tired of the Joy Reid posts. I don't like it when we eat our own.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:03 PM

5. i don't think one has anything to do with the other. but i do think Biden

 

deals with attacks better than some who support him.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:05 PM

6. True

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:33 AM

31. Absolutly right. Biden's supporters would do well to emulate

 

Joe. Still they do have the right to defend him. Finding the right balance is hard though.
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #31)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:15 AM

85. If you look at the comments from Biden supporters In this thread alone, I don't see them being

 

Mean or nasty
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #85)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:24 AM

88. Indeed Joe's supporters are relativly polite and civil, however

 

I think there has been a bit of an over reaction to Joy Reid.

One of Biden's strengths is projecting that calm confident demeanor. He avoids the whining and petty spats that some other candidate revel in. It's why the slings and arrows of media pundits do so little harm.
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #88)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:37 AM

92. I agree completely. I for one will defend, but will not go low. It doesn't help

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:08 PM

8. In one breath you imply those critisizing Joy Reid are doing it for the same reason trump did

 

then not so subtly in the next breath give the real reason, because they disagree with her opinion on one particular presidential candidate.

Coincidence? I think not

The reason some believe there is a credibility issue with Joy Reid, is because of her expressions of gay bigotry on her blog, and her falsely blaming it on hackers


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/business/media/joy-reid-homophobic-blog-posts.html

People who make editorial comments or opinion pieces are open to comments from the public. That is what free speech is about




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Response to still_one (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:14 PM

134. Ikr? She can't write an OP

 

without equating those who are calling out Reid to what trump is doing?.. Come on. She lost right there.

And, not that many seem to even notice that big ol strawman..

So Thank You, still_one!

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Response to Cha (Reply #134)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:27 PM

135. I agree, and am disappointed in the OP for making that association with trump

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:13 PM

11. I would say the one's doing Trump's bidding are the ones pushing for Biden to quit the race. n/t

 


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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:23 PM

16. +1,000,000

 

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:13 PM

22. +a million and more.

 

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:04 AM

72. Exactly nt

 

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:15 AM

86. Here here!!

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:18 PM

13. I cannot stand Joy Reid. She lied about her bias

 

against LGBTQ people. I never watch her, but there is at least one thread about her which is simply false. Why are Biden supporters so upset what her guests say? Why are they blaming HER for what her guests say? Would they be up in arms if her guests spoke against Warren or Sanders? I seriously doubt it.

What Biden said in that awful response during the debate was troubling at best, appalling at worst.
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Response to Tipperary (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:32 AM

49. I saw her one night to say

 

a lot against him; so it is no surprise she'd have a guest to say it on. She really hates him. You have to see her talk about him and you can realize it. She and a couple of her guests were really laying it on thick about his reaction to Kamala's ploy. It got high school girl level, they were sneering that he said he thought they were friends and then went on to say "Well, Joe, Kamala is not trying to be your friend, she is running for President" as if Kamala were seriously running and Biden just a little boy crying about a meanie making fun of him. It was not rational, nor adult, nor sophisticated political comment. Biden was and still is way ahead of Harris, so this kind of attitude was strange.

She would not do that to the others because of not having the same hatred for them. She could not stand the sound of Biden's voice, she said, which shows hatred. I can't stand the sound of Orange Maniac's voice, but I would not say that about any Democrat.

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Response to treestar (Reply #49)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:50 AM

68. post the words, or it's just a nonfactual smear.

 

...at best, an opinion of someone with obvious bias against Joy Reid.

I mean you're showing more animosity toward her than she's shown toward Biden. Should we draw conclusions about your objectivity too?
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Response to bigtree (Reply #68)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:05 PM

103. lol it's on film

 

I have no animosity for her but am merely amazed at her animosity towards a Democrat. You're really digging now. I could say you have animosity towards Biden on the same principle. You're off topic.
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Response to Tipperary (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:22 AM

87. She knew what her guest would say. She's done similar with different issues b4 and fained an

 

Account hacking. How many times does one have to follow her down that rabbit hole b4 one wises up?
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:18 PM

14. Not so.

 

I've read multiple threads here today about Joy Reid, and none of them were about her "not being nice enough to one particular presidential candidate". They were about Reid calling on Biden to get out of the race.

Right now, Biden is the front-runner; i.e. more Democrats support him than the other candidates. That could change at any time - but that's where we stand right now.

By calling on Biden to drop out of the race, Reid has obviously decided that her opinion should override the opinion of those who support him - which is the opinion of the majority of Dems who have expressed that support to date.

It would behoove Ms. Reid - and Bill Maher, Michael Moore, etc. - that we collectively as Democrats will choose who our nominee is, and NOT the pundits, TV show hosts, and filmmakers who seem to think their own political opinions to be somehow superior to ours.

As for Trump "going after" Joy - name a day when he's not going after someone. And just because he does so doesn't mean that if he's pissed-off at someone we are also pissed-off at (for very different reasons), we are somehow "joining in" with Trump.



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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:53 PM

20. Except Reid never called for Biden to get out of the race

 

...if someone had the quote they'd post it.

What they're doing is treating this black woman's news show differently than every other news org that previews their guests and themes of segments on twitter, and represented that teaser as Reid calling for Biden to leave.

Every other news personality on that network tweets out the themes of segments of their show, and NONE of them are accused of saying, inferring, or believing what their guest has said for doing so.

This is one hell of a smear, and it should stop now.

She said EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF THE GUEST, IN RESPONSE.

Watch the show. That's something I'd expect from anyone coming on here to criticize this woman. The tweet doesn't even say anything of the sort, anyhow. What the fuck is this really all about, because I see this rare, prominent, black news journalist getting trashed here for something she just did not say, and did not agree with on her show.

And, btw, DU is the ONLY source for this smear on google.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #20)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:14 PM

23. Didn't see the show.

 

Only saw what was being said in multiple threads here this afternoon.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #23)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:15 PM

24. .

 



You know DU's the ONLY source for this I could find on Google...
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Response to bigtree (Reply #24)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:53 PM

25. Well, I guess I know that now. n/t

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:25 AM

89. Try FB and twitter.. it's all over those two platforms

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #89)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:38 AM

93. it's funny about those 'platforms'

 

..what you see, on twitter in particular, depends on who you follow.

You're obviously not following 'black twitter.' I am extensively connected with those sources, and I can tell you, categorically, that DU has no idea of the level of discussion that's occurring there about Biden today from prominent writers and professionals. That's what actually alerted me to the concern over Biden's remarks, not one guest on Joy Reid's show.

All of that aside, making it an issue that a bunch of anonymous people on the bot-ridden twitter believe anything, should force a closer examination of just who is making those remarks.

Tell you what, bring us some of those objections to Joy and let us see for ourselves what the source of them is.
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #89)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:04 AM

96. what you see on those platforms depends on who you're following

 

...post some of them here if they're so reputable and their source unassailable.

On the other side, I can post several prominent writers, pols, and professionals on social media who object to Biden's remarks, and haven't used his controversy to attack a black, female, news host.

C'mon, let's see them, and let us judge for ourselves.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:33 AM

50. She does hate him, though

 

So having someone on who says he should quit would be easier than saying it herself, but it is something she would promote.

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Response to treestar (Reply #50)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:46 AM

66. you obviously don't watch the show

 

...and are completely wrong about that.

I'm a Harris supporter, and I think she makes the case for Biden, more than any other candidate. She's been less critical of the front-runner than of Harris, for example.

Saying over and over that she 'hates' someone isn't a substitute for actual facts about her and her show, which won't be readily apparent to those stridently criticizing her who obviously don't watch her regularly, if at all.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #66)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:07 PM

104. I quit after the night she and her guests

 

made fun of Biden for thinking Harris was his friend and wouldn't resort to such tactics.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:22 PM

15. The two are totally unrelated. Are you hinting that loyal Democrats are lining up behind trump?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #15)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 10:26 PM

17. This is a perfect example of false equivalency

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #17)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:21 AM

98. Total nonsense and lazy logic is what it is. nt

 

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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #98)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:27 AM

99. Yes, and that is what I meant by false equivalency

 

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Response to George II (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:10 AM

73. ...

 

Ahoy! It is a ploy to save Joy as they toy with envoys of anti-Biden forces.
While they enjoy, it will be a killjoy for the tomboy even while using a decoy.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:03 AM

26. Her opinions, whatever they are, are just that, and she's entitled to them.

 

That's fine. These cable shows are pretty much the tv equivalent of newspaper op-ed pages, and we can choose to agree or disagree.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:46 AM

35. That's exactly right. And posters should get their facts straight and not say she called for Biden..

 

to step down when she didn't.

They don't have to agree, as you say, but don't lie as to what was said.
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Response to brush (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:03 AM

40. Not everyone sees it that way..

 



highplains

Reid's FB..

"Our guest author Anand Giridharadas is not the only person who thinks Biden should drop out of the 2020 race after his debate comments. What do you think, #reiders? Watch and weigh in:"

LOl@first reply..

Robert Miller Biden drop out??? I thought it was a typo, and the title meant to say Castro! Castro was wrong about everything regarding his exchange with Biden. Biden knew exactly what he had said. If anyone should go, it should be Castro!

Bridget Davis Enough with the bashing of candidates. Joy everyone knows you aren't for Biden and try at every opportunity to hurt his campaign. I will vote for who ever the nominee is whether it be Biden or someone else.

https://www.facebook.com/joyreidofficial/posts/2306261106153165

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=280234

Reid doesn't have to say it directly "Biden drop out".. she's promoting it.

I have not seen one member "lying" as you keep accusing members of doing.
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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:13 AM

41. Here's the other side to it. She didn't say "Biden should step down." Accuracy counts.

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287280053

And I'm leaning towards Biden as the one who can beat trump in the rust belt and the one out of the top tier candidates who can't be tagged as a socialist like Sanders and Warren will be.

I just don't like the beating up of Harris and Reid that goes on on this site. It's too much, especially when we all know we can win without the black vote, especially black women.
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Response to brush (Reply #41)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:18 AM

42. I know that.. but she's promoting it..

 

she doesn't even have to say it.

Anyway that's the way a lot of people are taking this by her promoting it on FB and her show.. and I don't think they're "lying".
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Response to Cha (Reply #42)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:27 AM

44. Well said.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:19 AM

43. "Calls for Joe to drop out of the 2020 race grow". Like who the

 

hell was calling for our front runner to drop out in the first place?

It's ridiculous for anyone to pretend they don't see where Joy is going with this. But they're trying.


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Response to oasis (Reply #43)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:29 AM

45. Those calling for Biden to drop out are for other

 

candidates.

Yeah, it is kind of ridiculous.. just because Reid didn't say "Joe Biden Drop Out" they're giving her a pass on promoting it. She is getting a lot of backlash on FB and the msnbc tweet.. so we'll see how this goes.

It's like she's unleashed all the pent up anger over constantly bashing Biden.. at least that's what I got from reading all the responses to her promoting Biden to drop out.

Mahalo, oasis
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Response to Cha (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:28 AM

90. She's complicit. If this involved laws or courts they would be on it like a dog with a bone!

 

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:12 AM

75. She should make her opinions public then

 

rather than pretend to be objective and unbiased while twisting the knives in people's backs.

She should come out and say that she is for X and against Y. THEN it is an opinion which she will be entitled to.
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Response to BlueMississippi (Reply #75)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:11 AM

83. like all news hosts do?

 

...Joy Reid is no less objective than any other news host.

How can you say, on one hand, that she 'pretends to be objective' while admitting you know nothing about her actual beliefs?
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Response to BlueMississippi (Reply #75)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:32 AM

91. Agree. but that would be too easy!! She has her marching orders and she goes by them

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #91)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:40 AM

94. no other news host is held to that standard

 

...just this black woman, apparently.

Everyone else can put on whoever they please, to bash Kamala Harris, for example, say whatever they please about candidates, without this witch-hunt mentality upbraiding them.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:44 AM

34. wow I missed the whole backlash against Joy it seems

 

What a mess. I suppose I would not be happy if my candidate gave that answer either. But this seems like projection.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:34 AM

38. she's an entertainer. she is there to sell advertising. the wind changes direction every day nt

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:40 AM

39. I think I've seen this movie before.

 

Early on, Group A declares who the Democratic Party nominee must be and then sets the standard for what will be considered “trashing” or “bashing”....which is usually any opposing view. It’s the Get-In-Line-Or-I’ll-Crush-You approach, which, when observed in the Republican Party, generates cries about lock-step foul play.

The glass house folks should put down their stones and accept that this is a process, not a foregone conclusion. At this stage of the game we don’t all have to match. We don’t even have to decide.

Party unity should be the end goal, not a premature command.
















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Response to democrank (Reply #39)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:39 AM

46. Finally someone who lives in the reality-based world. Well reasoned and best post of the day on...

 

these bash Joy Reid threads.
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Response to democrank (Reply #39)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:22 PM

123. ....

 

Early on, Group A declares who the Democratic Party nominee must be and then sets the standard for what will be considered “trashing” or “bashing”....which is usually any opposing view. It’s the Get-In-Line-Or-I’ll-Crush-You approach, which, when observed in the Republican Party, generates cries about lock-step foul play.


Uh-Huh....
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:01 AM

47. I thought what Giridharadas said was kind of weird and what Biden said was kind of weird.

 

I don't like it when people attack the host of a show because of guests. That they shouldn't have had that guest on the show. That they didn't "push back enough." That someone whose job is to talk in public isn't perfect. Enraged about opinions.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:26 AM

48. If you are a pundit, that's just part of life nowadays

 

Naturally Biden's supporters are going to dislike it.

They don't have to shut up.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:10 AM

51. Joy Reid is pushing her own losing agenda at the expense of the Democratic

 

front runner. She might as well go work for the rethuglicon campaign. Joy Reid is a pathetic disgrace to everything Democratic.
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #51)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:18 AM

52. Lol. Even Trump let this go hours ago

 

Yet some folk are still going berserk because a pundit doesn’t kiss their candidate’s rear end and hasn’t proven herself to be appropriately representative of “everything Democratic.” Sounds like someone forgot to send out the stand-down instructions.

But any time now, we’ll see an en masse shift of focus to a new boogeyman. It will be interesting to see who today’s target will be.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #52)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:06 AM

57. When Joy Reid and her contributors spend her entire show

 

harping about Joe Biden, show after show, week after week, the agenda is not only obvious but also boring as hell.
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #57)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:22 AM

59. Yes, when they do that, you might have a point. But they haven't, so you don't

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #59)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:53 PM

125. Alternative facts won't change what I am seeing with Joy Reid and her contributors.

 

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #125)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:50 PM

127. Try putting on a pair of 'reality glasses'.

 

They are cheap - the price of an 8th grade education in a country that pays the teachers and your parents feed u.
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Response to alittlelark (Reply #127)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:06 PM

130. Perhaps I am watching an absurd "Reality TV" show.

 

It would explain a lot.
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #130)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:07 PM

132. You are ... I mistook u for another poster. Sorry

 

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Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:09 PM

133. OK. Forgiven!

 

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #51)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:47 PM

126. Aimed, pulled the bow.... and shot at the wrong poster.

 

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #126)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:50 PM

128. I think you had better check your profiles.

 

Not quite sure what or who you are talking about?!
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:34 AM

54. i stopped at Joy Reid ..

 

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #54)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:40 AM

55. Well, you may have stopped READING at Joy Reid

 

But then you took the time to respond anyway.

Thanks for the kick.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #55)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:51 AM

56. Joy Reid is a homophobic bigot how is that for a bump ?

 

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #56)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:21 AM

58. Bump away

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:24 AM

60. Effie, if Reid was white, DU would be responding the same way

 

to her/MSNBC's hostile messages. Patterns and themes, all right. You know MSNBC worked hard to defeat our party in 2016. And they're doing it again, in this case delivering attacks on our Democratic candidates and our values and reputation through a black anchor and pundits. Divide and conquer.

I used to watch and admire Reid, assuming she'd outgrown and left behind dishonorable past behaviors as her career developed. Apparently not, and I no longer auto record her.

I believe she should have refused the Saturday morning entry-level show since this is what's required of the anchor. Yes, that might have been a blow to her career. Maybe. But maybe sticking to subbing for, and being identified with, the powerful evening anchors would have been a better route, building on the strong admirable persona she'd developed instead of inflicting severe damage on it.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #60)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:41 AM

64. that innuendo about her is bull

 

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..she's no less objective than any other news host, and this assault on her is insidiously wrong, based on a false claim that that TWEET announcing a segment on her show was Joy Reid calling for Biden to withdraw.

Without that lie, no one would be going on and on about what her guests said on her show (which is not only balanced with different opinions, but balanced in the segment in question with Joy playing the devils advocate to her guest's suggestion Biden step down.)

Anyone criticizing Joy Reid with this nonsense about being biased against Biden, or her show's format being biased against ANYONE in our party is not supported by FACTS, and obviously don't watch her show (doesn't even sound like you watched the one in question because you're misrepresenting it so badly.)

You can't just separate something you don't like from her show and define her with that.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #64)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:03 PM

129. There ya go personally insulting someone

 

because they don't agree with you, bigtree.
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Response to Cha (Reply #129)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:59 PM

137. Certainly A Lot Of Umbrage Going On

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #64)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:44 PM

136. "Dirt-dumb and dishonest". Sweet.

 

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Response to bigtree (Reply #64)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 12:54 PM

139. Is that a conclusion supported by objective data, or simply another allegation by a fan?

 

"she's no less objective than any other news host..."

If it's the former, I'd love to see the data. If the latter, I expect a very creative excuse as to why you won't provide it.
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #139)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:52 PM

142. at least I'm a regular watcher, unlike several critics going on and on about the content of her show

 

...while admitting they hadn't watched it in years.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #60)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:11 AM

97. You are right... the answer is yes. I stopped watching Chris Hayes for the same reason.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:46 AM

65. I keep telling myself to never be surprised

 

at what I see here...
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:47 AM

67. This OP should read: Trump goes after Joy Reid, then Joy promptly goes after Biden and it backfires

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #67)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:36 AM

79. True that. nt

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #67)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:29 PM

116. No. I knew nothing about Trump, just saw this OP and knew

 

the premise was incorrect. Reid's been off my list, joining anti-Democratic spin artists like Chuck Todd, Alisyn Camerota, Andrea Mitchell, for some weeks now. For cause. Lots of people who once watched her have been complaining, here and on other social media, about the turn she took on her new show.

I'm so repelled by what I experienced as hostile content that I now change the channel even when she's subbing on a program I normally watch, whose themes she'd be forced to follow. I gave her the only second chance she'll get from me after this when I relegated to the past the whole old gay-bashing/fake hacking thing.

As for Trump's bashing, that attention has to be very good for her. Maybe make up some for hemorrhaging former admirers who'd once happily set her new program to record each week.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:53 AM

69. I don't understand they need to

 

totally destroy someone who says something that you don't agree with. Explain please if possible.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 08:59 AM

70. Oh another Joy Reid support thread .. meh

 

Joy Reid is scum .. just because Trump agrees doesn't negate one's own impressions of her.

Fuck Trump and fuck Joy Reid.

Happy?
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Response to BlueMississippi (Reply #70)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:12 AM

74. Joy Reid's despicable homophobic remarks were rather scum-like, to be honest...

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #74)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:13 AM

76. And she danced around the truth on those as well. nt

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:28 AM

77. Don't be stupid

 

She was critical of Trump on another show, so Trump lashed out as he always does. There was some anti-Biden content from a guest on her show, so some hyper-sensitive Bidden supporters here blew a gasket.

There's nothing weird or conspiratorial about it. Reid just happened to draw the ire of both on the same day through her words and interview. She gets criticized plenty without Trump having an unhinged rant.
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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #77)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 09:44 AM

80. +1

 

Some people like their drama.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #77)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:19 PM

112. Watch a few more of her shows

 

It does not take hypersensitivity. She really does not like him. I don't know how she is going to be if he is the nominee. It might be hard to about-face. That's what the primary does when it goes negative.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:01 AM

95. Nonsense. I stopped watching her show because of her repeated attacks on Biden...sick of it.

 

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:29 AM

100. You hate to see this

 

Joy Reid was considered a neoliberal superstar when she spent all her time attacking Sanders and his supporters. Funny to see guns turned on her when she attacks Biden, likely on behalf of the "KHive". Years of anti gay sentiment were okay until she turned on Biden, now she has to go.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:31 AM

101. For the record, I started a thread without knowing what trump tweeted...

 

You know what they say about assuming...
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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #101)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:09 PM

106. but yet, here we are

 

...DU, almost exclusively, attacking Joy Reid at the very same instance Donald Trump is attacking Joy Reid.

Amazing.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:01 PM

102. AMJOY's first guest on yesterday was a sanders supporter who attacked Biden

 

This segment was way over the top.

Today after an amazing speech by Biden, Tiffany Cross and a guy name Jason attacked Biden because they were mad that he gave such a good speech.

Back in May, AMJOY went after Biden and I stopped watching her show for a while. I am not happy with AMJOY. Cross and the Jason guy basically attacked Biden today because he gave a good speech.

I personally want to be beat trump and I do not believe that the Democratic Party can nominate a far left candidate and still win. I do not believe that we need to push for fundamental change because trump is such a weak candidate. If a Democrat is elected in 2020, that Democrat will have a ton of work to do just to restore our government and repair the damage done by trump.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #102)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:07 PM

105. she just had Biden surrogate on, Ed Rendell, attacking Elizabeth Warren

 

...does this mean Joy Reid hates Elizabeth Warren?
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #102)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:11 PM

107. mad that he gave such a good speech

 

If he would just drop out and stop giving good speeches! Then maybe my candidate could win? That's like admitting your candidate cannot beat him.
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Response to treestar (Reply #107)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:14 PM

108. no one is 'mad' he gave a speech

 

...but I'm not mesmerized away from his controversial remarks in the debate by a speech he read.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #108)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:17 PM

110. Whatever, most people are not going to get into the "controversy"

 

that Biden is insensitive to race. Kamala has failed on that or she'd be ahead of him. She's not getting the black vote with this. Insanity is continuing to do the same ineffective thing.
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Response to treestar (Reply #110)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:24 PM

114. well, when you broaden it to include things not said, you can surmise almost anything

 

...how about addressing the actual words Biden uttered?

That's what people are arguing, not that Biden is 'insensitive to race,' but that his response in the debate appeared to put the onus on black children and their families for shortcomings and abuses in their educational experience, rather than a system which doesn't provide the resources for them to succeed.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #114)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:33 PM

117. Now that admitting there is white privilege and that it's harder for black people

 

to function due to centuries of racist oppression is "blaming black parents for their shortcomings" you've stymied me. I guess it would be offensive and hurtful to admit that slavery, Jim Crow and discrimination have caused harmed to black people and is blaming black people for their disadvantages.

This is almost as good as how offensive it is to teach black history to a mixed-race class, because it will draw attention to the black children in the class and make them feel uncomfortable, while stiff unforgivable to teach it to race-separated classes to avoid that, and even worse to solve the problem by teaching black history to no one.

Creating these binds is not going to win over anyone and is not going to get Kamala out in front of Biden. Try something else!
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Response to treestar (Reply #117)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:44 PM

119. that's some spin

 

...and acting as if my opinion here is affecting some campaign somewhere is ridiculous.

Did you notice that Kamala isn't discussing this controversy?
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Response to bigtree (Reply #119)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:45 PM

120. You're doing the spinning

 

and coming full circle as I described.
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Response to treestar (Reply #120)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:48 PM

121. you're way too impressed

 

...by your word salad.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #121)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:07 PM

122. Too much spinning

 

I see through the ploy is all.
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Response to treestar (Reply #107)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:15 PM

109. Cross and the Jason guy want fundamental change

 

I want to beat trump. Cross and the Jason guy believe that trump is so weak that we can put up a weak leftist candidate and win. I do not believe this. trump will be hard to beat and we need to up our best candidate.

I do not believe in fundamental change for the sole sake of change. If a Democrat beats trump, that Democrat will have a ton of work to do repairing the damage done by trump.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #109)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:18 PM

111. That's overconfidence

 

Didn't Jason learn from 2016? Of course, Dotard was so bad, we had it in the bag, and made some big miscalculations.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #109)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:20 PM

113. I'm against notions that we need to abandon the push for fundamental changes to defeat Trump.

 

...and the idea that they want a 'weak' candidate is a cheap shot.

If we achieve the presidency with someone who believes fundamental change is something to be politicized into obscurity for the sake of advantaging them in elections, we will have generations suffer from the neglect.
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Response to bigtree (Reply #113)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:26 PM

115. I do not want four more years of trump

 

Pushing a leftist candidate will help trump in my opinion. trump wants to run against socialism and this tactic could easily work.

I want to defeat trump. That is the key issue and I do not think that a far left candidate will be able to beat trump
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #115)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:38 PM

118. I get it

 

...these people you oppose don't conform to your political view.

But it shouldn't take much thought to understand that they are just as committed in their opposition to Trump as you are. In fact, many of the issues these folks you call 'far-left' are pursuing affect individuals in this country directly, often threatening their lives and livelihoods in ways that many can only imagine.

Pushing aside their concerns in order to position a campaign would be offensive enough. Giving their concern short-shrift, and denigrating them with invective labels is just politics for politics sake, not very inspiring for an election where Democrats are deciding who best to lead us into the future.

And I've talked before about the supporters who are looking to these candidates you feel are outside of your political spectrum. They will be needed to fill out our Democratic coalition. Telling them you want to win offers them nothing, and you're likely to get the same in return from people looking for representation for their life-determining issues, and protection against their disintegrating environment.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 12:57 PM

140. I remember John Lewis getting trashed four year ago. Patterns and themes, indeed.

 

I remember John Lewis getting trashed four year ago after he decided to support one candidate. The DU search function can be elucidating as hell sometimes as it applies to 'patterns and themes.'
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:26 PM

141. White people are salty about Joy. nt

 

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