Does Sanders need to condemn the attack on Chelsea Clinton?

[Trumpocalypse]

Normally, I don't think any politician is responsible for the actions for their supporters. However, this woman is currently volunteering for the Sanders campaign and was wearing a Sanders shirt when she attacked Clinton. Add to that, this pic posted on her Twitter feed.

I'm not sure myself. Does Sanders need to come out and condemn this woman's actions last week?

[TexasTowelie]

1. Yes.

[trueblue2007]

123. YES

[Gothmog]

2. Yes

[seaglass]

4. Considering his dark money PAC Our Revolution hopped on board the attack, I would say yes. n/t

[LongtimeAZDem]

6. Agreed

[MontanaMama]

5. Yes he should.

And, I’m very curious why he wouldn’t say something.

[Cha]

10. Aloha, MontanaMama.. Please check post # 7

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=28086

[MontanaMama]

25. Aloha Cha.

Curious isn’t it? Is it that the person attacked was a Clinton and that’s why he won’t acknowledge how badly his supporter behaved? Would he have said something had this been anyone else? He was able to peak on behalf of SHS for Pete’s sake. It is just odd on its face and may be very telling of what lies beneath the surface with BS.

[Cha]

33. The whole thing is just bizarre.. the student attacking

Chelsea at the vigil for Peace at the Mosque, and then finding out who this person really is. For one thing.. a big fan of Bernie Sanders.

Then we discover in the way back machine that Sanders said this..

""I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said."

Does this include his fans being rude and shouting down Chelsea Clinton?

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

[Blue_true]

65. Staying quiet on stuff like that is his mode of operation.

He will toss out the line that he can't control what his supporters do, just like after the Nevada caucus fiasco in 2016, the incident at a Clinton rally in California and the chaos caused by his supporters at the Democratic National Convention, including vicious booing of a national iconic person. Bernie may not explicitly promote the attacks, but he does NOTHING to keep or bring his supporters in line.

[Cha]

7. BS spoke out about Sarah Sanders being asked

to leave the Red Hen..

Bernie Sanders: Sarah Sanders has the right to 'go into a restaurant and have dinner'

snip//

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

Do people have a right to not be attacked when they were invited to a Mosque for a Vigil to mourn the victims of the terrorist attack, BS?

betsuni!

[comradebillyboy]

18. Not if they are related to Hillary

[Cha]

19. lol The one

exception!

[happybird]

8. Yes

[Arkansas Granny]

9. Yes, he needs to make some comment about it.

[Tribalceltic]

11. By not commenting he has made his intentions clear

He approved the message

[Mr Tibbs]

51. So much reading between the lines!

Of so little information!

[getagrip_already]

12. bernie is irrelevant.. he can just stay stfu

I really don't want to hear anything further from him. His associations speak for themselves.

[Mr Tibbs]

66. He is the front runner

And most likely will be the nominee

[Gothmog]

68. How can sanders be the nominee with little or no support from African American voters?

I doubt that sanders will be around after Super Tuesday.

[getagrip_already]

75. He is not the front runner....

Don't delude yourself. He has good name recognition, and that is all.

Can he win? Sure, after all trump did. He is our trump. But that is not even remotely a sure thing right now.

[mcar]

89. ...

[ehrnst]

129. In what way?

Fundraising?

With African American voters?

[BannonsLiver]

149. That is an alternate reality you speak of.

He’s not the front runner and he won’t ever be the nominee.

[betsuni]

169. It's His Turn.

[Mr Tibbs]

173. There are no "Turns"

As we learned in 2016

[betsuni]

175. Coronated, crowned, anointed, His Turn, The One, etc.

[Mr Tibbs]

176. Whatever soothes your ailments

[betsuni]

178. As usual, a personal insult.

It's His Turn.

[Mr Tibbs]

183. Suit yourself

Now go on back to your projection.

[betsuni]

186. Another insult!

[rzemanfl]

180. Bookmarking. n/t

[yardwork]

171. Bernee is anointed!!!

[stonecutter357]

182. lol

[comradebillyboy]

13. Why would anyone expect Sanders to criticize

one of his own supporters? It would be totally out of character. Besides he'd never come to the defense of Hillary's daughter.

[redstateblues]

14. That would be the decent thing to do

[NastyRiffraff]

64. Agreed, it would be the decent thing to do

but that doesn't mean Sanders will do it. If he were to do it, it would seem that he'd do it by now. He has to have heard about it.

[blue cat]

15. Yes

He won’t. Beto did make a statement when Cruz was heckled in restaurant.

[still_one]

16. I don't know, but if these students think they have helped their message against anti-Muslim bigotry

they haven't, by accusing Chelsea Clinton of bearing responsibility for the NZ shooting, and they sure didn't do Senator Sanders any favors, and could very well hurt any support from Hillary supporters from 2016 for the 2020 primaries. Harassing the daughter of the mother someone supported is usually not the best way to entice those potential voters to support you

[comradebillyboy]

20. Their cause was to win internet fame, nothing else.

[namahage]

50. And apparently also money

Thus posting up their Venmo accounts...which they then claimed was a "joke" (if it really was a "joke," why post valid Venmo info?)

[comradebillyboy]

53. Yes, that too.

[Eric J in MN]

17. Hillary Clinton never condemned one of her supporters.

One of her delegates hit a woman with a cane. HRC didn’t condemn it. Which is fine. It wasn’t her fault.

https://indypendent.org/2016/06/hillary-bro-who-assaulted-female-sanders-delegate-identified/

[Cha]

21. Your "Whataboutism" isn't working.

[LongtimeAZDem]

23. "ChelseaClinton is an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society"

It's not an isolated individual; it's his national organization.

Link to tweet

[qazplm135]

28. this is relevant how?

isnt your guy supposed to be "better" than Hillary?

[Power 2 the People]

46. Saying Chelsea was "attacked" is a bit of a self-serving stretch.

But par for the course.

[LongtimeAZDem]

87. Denying that surrounding and berating a pregnant woman at a memorial service is an attack

is a self-serving deflection.

But par for the course.

[BannonsLiver]

150. They did the same thing to Dolores Huerta in 2016.

[George II]

130. You should watch the video again.

[ehrnst]

116. Whataboutism:

The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whataboutism

The issue is very difficult for you, I understand.

[Adrahil]

22. I don't care if he does or not.

There is 0% change he will get my primary vote.

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. Of Course

He will not, however. You see how he continues to treat Clinton. Sore loser. This person spoke as a Bernie support. He has an obligation to distance himself, if he disagrees. If not, then...he will continue his hypocritical ways.

[RandySF]

26. I just wish he would.

[mopinko]

27. it's a very slippery slope for him. if he speaks out about this

people will start asking him about the bernie bros, and the russians who jumped on his bandwagon last time.
then what??

yeah, bernie has to deal w this kind of shit if he expects to expand his support at.all.
(which i dont think he has a prayer of, but...)

[democratisphere]

29. Sanders should BUT he won't.

I think his silence on this issue speaks volumes as to the kind of person he is, or more to the point, isn't.

[LuvLoogie]

30. If he didn't within a day or two, I can't see what the point would be at this point.

Anything he might say now would be cold runny eggs on a greasy plate.

[Amimnoch]

31. I've no doubt Beto would condemn a supporter acting is such a disgusting way

there is no imperitave or requirement for Bernie to acknowledge and condemn the behavior, but I do think it would be sending a good message if he did.

Especially against other figures in the Democratic Party, these kinds of attacks shouldn’t be acceptable.

[Cha]

35. Right.. BS puts himself out there

defending Sarah Sanders..

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people,"

Let's see if that works for Chelsea Clinton, too.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

[Nanjeanne]

32. No. He was neither mentioned in the verbal altercation nor was the verbal altercation about him.

[aikoaiko]

34. Chelsea Clinton was not attacked unless being addressed assertively constitutes an attack.

There was no yelling, no touching, no vulgarities. Just a confrontation with a firm voice.

I don't agree with the position of the NYU student, but Chelsea Clinton was not attacked.

[Trumpocalypse]

37. Go back an look at the video

It was an attack.

[aikoaiko]

38. I see the student pointed her finger at her.

[lapucelle]

94. Those who don't own one should buy one.

attack (verb)

• take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force, typically in a battle or war.
• (of a person or animal) act against (someone or something) aggressively in an attempt to injure or kill.
• (of a disease, chemical substance, or insect) act harmfully on.
• criticize or oppose fiercely and publicly.

I see this definition in the dictionary.

[George II]

187. Well whatta ya know.

[lapucelle]

98. Oh look, here's another definition in a different dictionary.

Merriam -Webster trolls Trump's twitter feed. (He doesn't know how to use a dictionary.)

attack (verb)
1 : to set upon or work against forcefully
//attack an enemy fortification

2 : to assail with unfriendly or bitter words
//a politician verbally attacked by critics

3 : to begin to affect or to act on injuriously
//plants attacked

I'm not sure why anyone is confused as to the meaning of "attack".

[ehrnst]

181. You seem to think it's just 'activism' to do this.

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Is that because it's Chelsea Clinton?

What "activism" was that hassler furthering?

[revmclaren]

40. Verbal attacks and abuse ARE attacks.

If Bernie Sanders (I-VT) continues to ignore incidents like this involving his supporters (fans), the anti Bernie Sanders (I-VT) campaign ads in the future will write themselves.

'If Sanders cannot control the rage in his own supporters, how is he going to control the rage infesting the country as president.'

Etc,etc....

So keep denying it's abuse and Bernie Sanders (I-VT will keep bleeding the votes he needs to win the primary. Of course this is just IMHO.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[aikoaiko]

42. How quiet and soft spoken does one have to be before a discussion becomes a verbal attack and abuse?

[revmclaren]

47. Well, the majority of those who have seen the encounter

don't see it as a calm diagreement. As a survivor of a very physical AND verbally abusive relationship, I know how I viewed the encounter and how possibly millions of other women and men who have been verbally abused view it.

So my question to you is, how much verbal abuse is acceptable?



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[mcar]

92. +1

[lapucelle]

111. Why do you think it's the volume of the voice alone that matters?

Fighting words (used in a general sense) are words that when uttered tend to create (deliberately or not) a verbal or physical confrontation by their mere usage.

"This right here is the result of a massacre stoked by people like you and the words that you put out into the world."

"People haven't forgotten the Islamophobic mob [Chelsea Clinton] incited against [Ilhan Omar]."

"And I want you to know that and I want you to feel that deeply - 49 people died because of the rhetoric you put out there."

There is no justification for what those two attackers did to Chelsea Clinton, any more than there is justification for the calumny visited upon Rep. Omar by Jeanine Pirro this week. Both episodes are indefensible.

[Gothmog]

71. I agree

[LongtimeAZDem]

55. If you don't think surrounding and berating a pregnant woman at a memorial service is an attack

then that's pretty sad, TBH.

[aikoaiko]

73. Chelsea handled it fine because it wasn't a big deal. She responded to them. It was over quickly.

She didn't look surrounded to me or like she was trying to get away.

[LongtimeAZDem]

77. Not the point at all

[lapucelle]

62. She was specifically, literally accused of "stoking Islamaphobia"

Those are fighting words. For anyone to chara terize this as an “altercation” or as an instance of someone being “assertively spoken to” is ignoring the reality of what was done to Chelsea Clinton. People can try to spin this hoever they like, but the video does not lie.

[ehrnst]

118. Accosted, then. So what do you think this constutitutes?

A condemnation or a call for more such "non-attacks?" (Our Revolution is a PAC, and not a Democratic Party subset or candidate)

Link to tweet

Thank you for posting this on social media. @ChelseaClinton is an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society. These people need to be held account for their racism and incitement of violence at every turn.

[aikoaiko]

134. I'm OK with people walking up to public figures and speaking their minds.

Again, I don't agree that Chelsea is Islamophic, but the student verbally confronted her without yelling, screaming, or using vulgarities. It was relatively brief. Chelsea responded as best she could and it ended.

[ehrnst]

138. You avoided the question:

What do you think this message is encouraging people to do, apart from considering Chelsea Clinton and "these people" to be "dangerous to our society," and inciters of violence?

@ChelseaClinton is an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society. These people need to be held accountable for their racism and incitement of violence at every turn.

Would you feel differently if about the intent behind this message if someone tweeted it about Ilhan Omar or Rashida Tlaib?

[aikoaiko]

144. Ok, so you asked, "So what do you think this constutitutes?"

The behavior in the video constituted a normal verbal confrontation between an unknown, regular person and a public figure.

Again, I don't get the student's point, but it was not an attack.

[ehrnst]

145. No, I asked you what the tweet from Ventura County Our Revolution constitutes.

Are you going to answer the questions or continue to evade?

Here it is again....


"What do you think this message (the one exerpted below) is encouraging people to do, apart from considering Chelsea Clinton and "these people" to be "dangerous to our society," and "inciters of violence?"

@ChelseaClinton is an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society. These people need to be held accountable for their racism and incitement of violence at every turn.

Would you feel differently if about the intent behind this message (the one exerpted above) if someone tweeted it (the one exerpted above) about Ilhan Omar or Rashida Tlaib?"

[aikoaiko]

146. It constitutes a request to confront people whom the tweeter believes is doing wrong.

I don't think I would feel differently if similar conduct or words had been directed at Omar or Tlaib. Lots of people have been saying or tweeting confrontational or in some cases nasty things to them. It's a part of being in the public eye -- especially as an elected official.

I really don't get what you're fishing for or what your question sought out.

[ehrnst]

147. Chelsea isn't an elected official, so why should she "especially" expect that same treatment...

So you think that calling Chelsea Clinton "a danger to society" is a simple "request to confront her?"

And you don't think that smear "a Danger to society" would be a benign call to "confront" if that a tweeter directed it oward Omar or Tlaib?

Really?

[aikoaiko]

148. No she isn't, but she is a public figure who dabbles in politics from time to time.

You asked about my opinion about such behaviors being directed at Omar or Tlaib and that's why I mentioned elected officials.

Remember, the tweet is "@ChelseaClinton is an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society. These people need to be held account for their racism and incitement of violence at every turn."

A relatively unknown person calling someone "an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society" is not that big a deal.

Are people having a fit because its Chelsea?

[ehrnst]

172. I asked you about Chelsea, and you lumped her in with politicians like Tlaib and Omar.

Interesting what makes people uncomfortable enough to try to try to misrepresent what is being shown them, isn't it?

A relatively unknown person calling someone "an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society" is not that big a deal.

You call a California chapter of Our Revolution "relatively unknown? This account is speaking on behalf of a chapter of a PAC founded by Bernie Sanders. Is that why you try to diminish this targeted harassment, with it's encouragement for more people to do the same "at every turn?" So, you think that if an organization is "relatively unknown," then their smears and and calls for their ongoing public calls for them to be "confronted at every turn" because they are "quite dangerous" aren't really "a big deal." So you would think it's "not that big a deal" if a white supremacist group that "is relatively unknown" calling Tlaib or Omar, or an Obama daughter, or Jane Sander's daughter "a danger to society," that must be "confronted at every turn." Got it.

Are people having a fit because its Chelsea?

Are "people" trying desperately to diminish this self-described "progressive" org's disturbing call to harass someone "at every turn" and saying that they are "dangerous to our society," because the target is Chelsea Clinton?

Reducing a group's tweet that is something akin to hate speech directed at a private citizen to 'having a fit" indicates that perhaps one agrees with the group that is encouraging the harassment, and that the target is indeed what they say she is.

[aikoaiko]

174. If you read back, you brought in Tlaib and Omar into this thread

It’s not so clear that this was an Our Revolution sanctioned stunt/event as opposed to a member acting on her own and it was caught in video.

No I don’t agree with what was said, as I stated before, but I don’t agree that talking to a public figure in public was an “attack”.

As far as the tweet goes, sure it’s hyperbolic, but that how activism goes these days. But it’s not a call to violence. I don’t think Chelsea is dangerous to society.

[ehrnst]

177. The evasion continues...

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It’s not so clear that this was an Our Revolution sanctioned stunt/event as opposed to a member acting on her own and it was caught in video.

Again... I was talking about the tweet from "Ventura County Our Revolution" account. Straw man...

No I don’t agree with what was said, as I stated before, but I don’t agree that talking to a public figure in public was an “attack”.

Again... was talking about the tweet from "Ventura County Our Revolution" account. Strawman...

As far as the tweet goes, sure it’s hyperbolic, but that how activism goes these days. But it’s not a call to violence. I don’t think Chelsea is dangerous to society.

"That's how activism goes these days." What "activism" was that woman in the video representing? Anti-Clintonism? At what point does hateful screeching at someone, or saying they are "a danger to our society" stop being harassment and become "activism?"

So, again - It seems that it would be equally OK with you if anyone was targeted as "dangerous to society" and "should be confronted at every turn." This seems to indicate an opinion that this type of harassment is "activism" but only if it's Chelsea, as a refusal to comment on the same thing happening to anyone else indicates. Got it.


Or just that just extend to Chelsea Clinton? Or whoever a chapter of Our Revolution decides to target? David Hogg was targeted by RW'ers, and you think that's "how activism goes."

Twitter thinks otherwise, so I hope you aren't ever in charge of any "activist" twitter accounts:

Twitter Rules: You may not engage in the targeted harassment of someone, or incite other people to do so. We consider abusive behavior an attempt to harass, intimidate, or silence someone else’s voice.

[namahage]

140. Funny that "these people" that need to be "held account for their racism"

don't seem to include Republicans.

[ehrnst]

141. Yep.

But the dualistic world view only sees "those who agree with me on everything" and "enemies who are a danger"

Nothing in between.

[Autumn]

36. No. Why should he? He had nothing to do with it.

[revmclaren]

41. See #40.

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Autumn]

43. See # 36

[revmclaren]

48. Going round and round can be fun on a Ferris wheel

But won't save votes. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) can address this ...or not. The primary is his to win or lose.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Autumn]

49. He has no need to address it, he was not a part of it. nt

[Gothmog]

72. See post 70

[Autumn]

101. Not going to bother.

[Gothmog]

103. I am not surprised

There are a large number of real democrats who have very long memories and who will not forget or forgive

[TexasTowelie]

59. Would you be laughing if someone treated you in the same way?

I see absolutely nothing to laugh about.

[Autumn]

99. I laugh at the thought that Bernie is responsible for what someone who likes

him does. IMO that hilarious. No one is responsible for the actions of another person.

[TexasTowelie]

110. Bernie is not responsible for the actions of another person.

The topic of this thread was whether Bernie should condemn the comments and I made the first reply that said yes. I haven't stated that Bernie should apologize to anyone in this thread or any other thread. Reading is fundamental, Autumn.

[Autumn]

119. You saying yes or no is of no interest to me TexasTowelie. My opinion is, no he does not need to

condemn her actions, he had nothing to do with it. I typed that out quite clearly. Sorry, I can't break it down any simpler for you.
You are so right, reading is fundamental. You should go back and read my posts in this thread. I never mentioned the word apologize TexasTowelie. Now you have a nice day.

[TexasTowelie]

132. Then your use of the laughing emoji was open for interpretation.

While I accept your explanation, it is equally possible that you were laughing at the fact that Chelsea Clinton was confronted at a vigil. Even taking your explanation into account, I don't understand why anyone would find the need to laugh about the mention that Bernie should admonish the woman. The OP asked a serious question and you thought it was humorous.

Bernie could have gained some respect by taking a stance and saying that what occurred was inappropriate. It was a missed opportunity. It reflects negatively on his supporters and on Bernie too. But hey, nothing gets in the way of a revolution.

[WeekiWater]

39. It depends.

No if she has not volunteered directly for the campaign. If she has, then they should publicly state that they are blocking her from their programs and resources that are available to volunteers. If she has donated, in this cycle or last, they should publicly state that they are sending that money to the ADL.

So to me it depends how direct the contact with his campaign has been. If they have given her resources they should publicly say that she is being flagged. If she has given money, they should publicly state they are giving it to the ADL. If neither has happened, they should stay the heck away from it.

[Vinca]

45. Unless Bernie has somehow morphed into this woman, I don't know why you would expect him

to apologize. People are responsible for themselves. The young woman should be the one apologizing. If Bernie apologizes, but the woman still feels the same way, what is accomplished? Nothing. Every time a supporter or campaign worker for anyone farts it doesn't require immediate attention by the candidate whether it's Kamala, Bernie, Beto or any of the other 2,000.

[stonecutter357]

52. posts removed !!!

[handmade34]

54. No...

best if he just drop out now...

[Mr Tibbs]

56. No

They confronted her specifically because of what she said about Omar. One of them was Jewish and one of them was Palestinian. If she can't take the heat she needs to stay out of the kitchen.

[TexasTowelie]

61. Golly gee.

I didn't know that Chelsea was running for a public office so what kitchen are you telling her to stay out of?

Your statement also reeks of sexism.

[Mr Tibbs]

63. Be specific when you level salacious accusations

What public office does Roger Stone hold? What public office does David Brock hold?

They need to get out of the kitchen too.

[TexasTowelie]

69. Neither of them are the topics of this thread.

However, the whataboutism is typical.

[Mr Tibbs]

104. Whataboutism?

?????

They are examples of non office holding political operatives.

Hope that cleared it up for ya.

No whataboutism fallacy, sorry.

[TexasTowelie]

113. Plenty of whataboutism since neither Stone or Brock are topics of this thread.

If you can't recognize your digression that isn't anything that I created.

[mcar]

95. You are comparing CC to Roger Stone?

Seriously?

[Mr Tibbs]

102. No, Im saying he isn't running for office

Although he is politically active. As is David Brock.

[Trumpocalypse]

67. Clinton never said anything about Omar.

[Gothmog]

80. Was it appropriate for sanders delegates to boo Congressman John Lewis at Nat. Convention?

[mcar]

93. You realize she was invited to be there, right?

Also, she is not a candidate for public office so she is not in "the kitchen."

[George II]

126. Yes, she was invited by the organizer of the vigil, Imam Khalid Latif...

....with whom Chelsea founded the "Of Many Institute for Multifaith Leadership".

Here's more about the "Of Many Institute for Multifaith Leadership" at NYU:

https://www.nyu.edu/students/communities-and-groups/student-diversity/spiritual-life/of-many-institute-for-multifaith-leadership/about-the-institute.html

Sanders need to address this ambush, if not condemn it, and promise not to allow that woman to participate in his upcoming campaign.

[mcar]

133. She had every right to be there

And the attack on her was not only wrong, it also took attention away from the event's purpose.

[George II]

106. You should look into that vigil, who organized it, and Clinton's relationship...

... with activism at NYU.

[lunamagica]

57. Absolutely, he does.

[Beakybird]

58. Yes. I'm surprised he hasn't.

[NurseJackie]

81. I'm not.

Disappointed, yes. Surprised, no.

[pandr32]

60. Yes and ASAP

[Gothmog]

70. Has sanders apologized for the conduct of his delegates at the National Convention???

I was a Clinton Delegate to the National Convention. In real campaigns, candidates carefully vet their delegates. I know that I was vetted and I helped to vet other delegates. The reason for this is that (a) even pledged delegates can change their votes and (b) delegates reflect on the candidate and the candidate's campaign.

As for the National convention, I was told that sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. The booing of Congressman John Lewis was a planned stunt. sanders should apologize to Congressman John Lewis for this stunt.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that the Texas delegation condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. I was yelled at also but yelling at a lawyer is a waste of time. My daughter is tough which evidently pissed off the sanders delegates who were convinced that if they made my daughter cry, I would change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

I think that sanders should apologize for the stunts pulled by his supporters. This stunt was consistent with some of the stunts pulled by vetted sanders delegates at the national convention.

[dalton99a]

74. +1

[revmclaren]

76. +2

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[R B Garr]

105. +1000, he definitely should be apologizing.

He needs to hold people accountable for these attacks.

[Gothmog]

192. I seriously doubt that sanders will apologize

[Gothmog]

193. sanders new press secretary has been attacking Congressman John Lewis

Link to tweet

[melman]

78. Is Chelsea going to condemn the death threats against this young woman?

I think she should.

[NurseJackie]

79. As a candidate for national office, I think she should. Oh wait... she's NOT!

[melman]

83. So?

She's pretty active on twitter isn't she? She must see the disgusting hate being spewed non-stop at this young Palestinian woman.


All I'm saying is it would be very easy to condemn these hateful bros. The decent thing to do. So why doesn't she do it?

[NurseJackie]

85. Laughable "whataboutism" attempt. No cigar.

She's pretty active on twitter isn't she?

She's not running for national office.

All I'm saying is it would be very easy to condemn these hateful bros.

[revmclaren]

84. Are you claiming that a well loved Democratic public figure

is responsible for this woman getting death threats?

Is that what you are claiming melman?


melmen

78. Is Chelsea going to condemn the death threats against this young woman?
I think she should.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[melman]

86. I'm not sure what you're talking about

Please point out where I..


a. made accusations concerning responsibility

b. said anything at all about a Democratic public figure

[revmclaren]

91. Stating that Chelsea should condemn the

Last edited Mon Mar 18, 2019, 04:00 PM - Edit history (2)

death threats made to the woman implies to me that somehow Chelsea is responsible for those threats. Since she was invited to the event and already condemned the NZ attack and condemns attacks and threats to all Muslims , Chelsea is already showing her support for Muslims and ergo, for the woman you say is getting the death threats. Still calling for her to condemn these threats over and over again (threats that she is not responsible for and being that she is as much a candidate as you and I are) is surprising even coming from you. Chelsea should no more have do that than you should.

Unless again...you think that Chelsea is responsible for the death threats.

Nice talking to you again melman.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[melman]

97. "Stating that Chelsea should apologize "

I didn't say that.


As anyone who reads the actual post can clearly see.

[revmclaren]

107. There you go melman....fixed it just for you.

I think the new reply is even better than the original and I do want to be accurate.

Thanks again.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond!
.

[George II]

136. That's if those so-called death threats really happened.

[revmclaren]

137. Yup...

No legitimate info or links posted as proof.

Not surprised.

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Cha]

154. I don't believe for a second the

little creep who slings homophobic and racist slurs got any "death threats".

Link to tweet

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[mcar]

96. Good whataboutism try

The person attacked needs to condemn attacks on her attacker?

[melman]

100. Not whataboutism at all

The phony, fake outrage over this non-event has resulted in a very real torrent of hateful abuse directed at this young woman..

Why not condemn it? It would be very easy. And it's the right thing to do.

[ehrnst]

114. Will Senator Sanders condemn this nastiness by Ventura County Our Revolution?

Which appears to be calling for more of the same against Chelsea, and calling her "dangerous to our society":

Link to tweet

Replying to @Liam_O_Hare @ChelseaClinton @IlhanMN
Thank you for posting this on social media. @ChelseaClinton is an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society. These people need to be held account for their racism and incitement of violence at every turn.

(Reminder: Our Revolution is a PAC, and not a Democratic Party subset or candidate)

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

[ehrnst]

115. Whataboutism:

The technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/whataboutism

The issue brought up was indeed difficult for you, apparently.

You may want to recall what Senator Sanders has said about such activities:

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

[melman]

121. Not at all

I have no difficulty seeing that the attacks on this young Palestinian woman are hateful and disgusting.

Others may find it difficult to see that but I certainly do not.

[ehrnst]

124. Nice dodge, but I think that Senator Sanders having said this before

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

Do you think that he also should be silent concerning the Ventura County Our Revolution chapter tweeted out concerning the "shouting down or being rude" incident with Chelsea, who was simply attending a vigil, and not even trying to eat in a restaurant like Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who he spoke out in support of?


Our Revolution Ventura County
@OurRevolutionVC

Thank you for posting this on social media. @ChelseaClinton is an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society. These people need to be held account for their racism and incitement of violence at every turn.

9:14 PM - Mar 15, 2019

[melman]

127. Not a dodge at all

It's the real issue here as I see it. Try as you might to deflect from it, it remains an important issue. As I see it.

Funny that you accuse me of whataboutism while simultaneously loading this thread with 'what about this thing Bernie said,' and "what about that thing on twitter"..etc. Very funny.

[ehrnst]

139. You see it in a way that makes it less uncomfortable for you. As I see it.

Actually, the statement by Bernie concerning SHS is far more relevant to the issue, including the statement by the PAC he founded on the incident being discussed, than the relationship of Hillary to the person in the unrelated incident.

Funny, isn't it? Dodging the issue, then trying to accuse someone else of doing that?



Is that clearer?

[melman]

122. About that edit

You may want to recall he took a lot of heat for those comments in certain quarters.

[ehrnst]

125. Not nearly as much heat as Pelosi did for saying similar, from other quarters.

I just wonder at the differing standards.

So, you still haven't answered the question - do you think that Senator Sanders should defend Chelsea Clinton's right to go to a vigil without such treatment, as he did Sarah H. Sanders?

Should he stay silent on Ventura County Our Revolution's praise and encouragement to the accosters, saying that Chelsea is a "danger to society" and "needs to be held to account for their racism and violence at every turn?

Chelsea never said any such thing about Omar - "being a danger to society."

Still waiting for your opinion on that.

[George II]

128. Were there real, credible death threats? I haven't seen anything about that. However....

....Chelsea Clinton didn't have a campaign during which anyone who "may" have made death threats was working.

That woman worked in Sanders' previous campaign, was wearing one of his current (2020) campaign t-shirts, and on twitter boasts about her "friend" Sanders.

Come up with a similar connection between Chelsea Clinton and those who "may"have made death threats and we'll discuss it, okay?

[melman]

131. There has been a non-stop barrage of hate directed at this young woman

by an army of bots, trolls and bros on twitter. Surely you're aware of this.

Do you find these kinds of attacks on a young college student acceptable? If so, why?

[George II]

135. I don't know that they happened, and "hate" (if it did) is not "death threats". However....

...have you seen any of this hatred spewed by that young woman, samples:

[melman]

156. You don't?

How is it you were able to collect these six year old tweets (from when she was 14), and yet managed to completely miss what is going on now?

[George II]

158. I didn't collect them, they were on twitter.

[melman]

159. "they were on twitter"

Yes, twitter is where tweets tend to happen.

These, and also the terrible abusive ones directed at this young woman. The ones you missed.

[George II]

160. So then, where are those threats?

[George II]

163. I guess there weren't any. Hmph.

[melman]

165. Why do you guess that?

[George II]

166. Because you, who are the only one I've seen make that claim, are unable....

....(or unwilling) to produce any such threats.

Give it a couple of days, I'm sure some may show up somewhere.

[melman]

167. Really

Am I obligated to hunt down things on twitter for you? I don't think so.


"Give it a couple of days, I'm sure some may show up somewhere."

Sounds ominous. Kind of disturbing really.

[George II]

170. So then, they never happened. Not surprised. Wonder why you even mentioned it.

[George II]

188. I follow her on twitter. What you're saying simply isn't true. You can ask as many....

.....deflective questions as you want, but that won't change reality. And the fact that you can't (or won't) provide a single example, including the death threats that you've claimed several times, is quite telling.

And yet you find the "hate" directed toward Chelsea Clinton perfectly acceptable. Why?

[George II]

155. What "death threats"?

[melman]

157. The death threats made against this young Palestinian woman

They are sick, hateful and wrong. I'm sure you will agree.

[stonecutter357]

185. Is this whataboutism ?

[roody]

82. No.

[Cha]

161. BS put himself out there for sarah sanders but

I don't expect him to call out his fan who verbally attacked Chelsea Clinton.

Bernie Sanders: Sarah Sanders has the right to 'go into a restaurant and have dinner'

snip//

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

Do people have a right to not be attacked when they were invited to a Mosque for a Vigil to mourn the victims of the terrorist attack, BS?

[roody]

191. The vigil was by invitation?

[mcar]

88. Yes

[Blue_Tires]

90. Yes, he does...

I told anyone who would listen that the weirdos, loonies and nutbars were going to sink him in '16 and unless he reels them in (since he'll never distance himself) they're going to sink him in 2020...

[mr_liberal]

108. News media should ask him to comment, and they should ask Omar too. nt

[dlk]

109. It Would Depend Upon Whether or Not Sanders Actually Supported the Attack

Of course, anyone who attacks a pregnant woman like that in public is a total dirtbag, in my opinion. If it were a supporter of a woman candidate, I have a feeling the conversation would be completely different & the woman candidate would be blamed and strongly condemned.

[ehrnst]

112. I hope that he at least talks to Ventura Co. chapter of "Our Revolution" concerning this nastiness

Link to tweet

Replying to @Liam_O_Hare @ChelseaClinton @IlhanMN
Thank you for posting this on social media. @ChelseaClinton is an absolute disgrace and quite dangerous to our society. These people need to be held account for their racism and incitement of violence at every turn.

He defended Sarah Huckabee Sanders' being able to eat in a restaurant without people being rude to her. Do you think this tweet is less than rude?

(OR is a PAC, and not a part of the Democratic Party, or a Democratic candidate)

[lapucelle]

117. It would take a person of character and courage to respond to and repudiate

the campaign volunteer's attack and the concomitant disgusting response of the OC chapter of Our Revolution.

It would take a leader.

Character, courage, leadership.

SMH

[ehrnst]

120. Ventura County OR response:

(Our Revolution is a PAC, and not a Democratic Party subset or candidate)

Link to tweet

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

[Meowmee]

142. Yes

I would.

[SFnomad]

143. Yes he should ... no he won't ... says as much about BS as anything else n/t

[NurseJackie]

151. Anyone who's serious in their quest to be the POTUS would.

If he doesn't... Well... That reveals a lot.

[Pachamama]

179. +1000

Completely agree....it reveals all that needs to be

[dsc]

152. She has called people faggot repeatedly in her tweets

I am just imagining if Pete Buttigieg had a supporter who called a person a racial name in his twitter. Yeah we know how that would go.

[bernie59]

153. Not at all.

If someone asks him about it, he can respond. Otherwise, he has more important things to do.

[Cha]

162. Yeah, like fundraising.. he had the Time

to put himself out there for sarah fucking sanders.

Bernie Sanders: Sarah Sanders has the right to 'go into a restaurant and have dinner'

snip//

"I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "I’m not a great fan of shouting down people or being rude to people," Bernie Sanders said. "People have a right to be angry when Congress gives tax breaks to billionaires and then wants to cut nutrition programs for low income pregnant women."

But he said that anger needs to be taken out in a "constructive way" and that people should not be kicked out of restaurants over political differences.

“Look, as I’ve said before, yeah, I think people have the right to go into a restaurant and have dinner," he said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/394449-bernie-sanders-sarah-sanders-has-the-right-to-go-into-a-restaurant-and-have

Do people have a right to not be attacked when they were invited to a Mosque for a Vigil to mourn the victims of the terrorist attack, BS

[MustLoveBeagles]

164. Yes

She was out of line. Period.

[betsuni]

168. Yes, but I guess he's still sippin on dat.

[Hortensis]

184. I don't think we should rush to trouble

by picking among all the petty things candidates don’t do for ones that can be best used against them.

And imo this qualifies. Most Americans won’t have noticed this. Saying Sanders should make it a national issue by speaking out on it would be as self-serving by his opponents as insisting he should fall down again and smash the other side of his face for their benefit.

I despise this particular candidate and worry that he’s willing to be a spoiler again if he can't win, and he can't, again with devastating losses. Terrifying thought. But gnawing at his ankles every step of the way will only affirm the hostility of his hard-core followers, irritate and repel people of good sense, and make Putin smile at how well rerunning this 2016 play is doing so far.

[grossproffit]

189. His silence is deafening.

I'm disgusted.

[BlueFlorida]

190. Yes of course

The quality of a leader is determined by his/her willingness and ability to corral wayward followers and set them on a straight path.