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Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:18 PM

 

Would it affect your vote if Elizabeth Warren moved toward the Medicare and private option

approach to healthcare (aka Medicare for All who want it)?

I think the only thing that could potentially hold Sen Warren back from the nomination is her current stance on healthcare. I'm hoping that she's limiting the amount of details she gives out because she knows she will have to pivot more to the center when it's just her and Biden or Harris left on the field.

Right now, many people dismiss the idea of Medicare for all because it seems like an impossible suggestion.

But what if it's not impossible?

If it's not impossible, then people like me are forced to reevaluate our support because there are too many unanswered questions regarding the logistics of how Medicare for all would be implemented. The current system accounts for about 20% of our economy. That's not something that can be shut down overnight. What would happen to the people and businesses whose livelihoods are directly or indirectly tied into the private insurance industry in one way or another? It could be a really good thing or some people could end up worse off.

A lot of Biden's detractors wonder why so many people are sticking by him--they frantically bring up his gaffes, but Biden's detractors are not considering that perhaps some people take Bernie and Elizabeth at their word with regard to MFA, and they are simply trying to protect their healthcare and/or insurance related jobs, businesses, or investments.
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Reply Would it affect your vote if Elizabeth Warren moved toward the Medicare and private option (Original post)
ecstatic Sep 2019 OP
maxsolomon Sep 2019 #1
redstateblues Sep 2019 #3
JI7 Sep 2019 #6
maxsolomon Sep 2019 #11
JI7 Sep 2019 #15
TwilightZone Sep 2019 #18
redstateblues Sep 2019 #2
sharedvalues Sep 2019 #4
ecstatic Sep 2019 #8
emmaverybo Sep 2019 #22
BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #14
redstateblues Sep 2019 #20
brooklynite Sep 2019 #5
Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #7
ecstatic Sep 2019 #9
Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #13
DrToast Sep 2019 #10
Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #12
Hoyt Sep 2019 #16
Runningdawg Sep 2019 #17
Rebl2 Sep 2019 #19
bullwinkle428 Sep 2019 #21

Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:23 PM

1. Healthcare will not be the deciding factor in the nomination.

 

And certainly not a major issue in the General.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:24 PM

3. You are wrong about that.

 

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:30 PM

6. this is very wrong. 2018 campaigns were very much about healthcare

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:44 PM

11. Was 2016?

 

2018 was about Resistance. I'd have voted for a Yellow Dog with a D after it's name in 2018. I'm lucky I got to vote for Pramila Jayapal.

2020 is about saving the Republic first and foremost.
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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:49 PM

15. the resistance was fighting to save health care. look at the campaigns that were

 

run in districts.

maybe in very blue districts with safe democratic seats things might have been different.

but the flipped districts were very focused on saving health care.
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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:00 PM

18. It was the #1 issue in exit polls in 2018.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/midterm-exit-polls-2018-n932516
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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:23 PM

2. M4A is a landslide loser in the General and she knows it.

 

M4A has served her well so far but she probably can see the polling data.
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:25 PM

4. Yes

 

Her current plan is to go exactly as far left as Bernie so he canít outflank her on the left. Then when she wins the nom sheíll tack to the center.
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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:33 PM

8. Winning the nomination is dependent upon her moving center first.

 

In my opinion. But I fully get that she has to knock Bernie out first. I wish he'd just drop out!
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Response to ecstatic (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:53 PM

22. She has too many plans and no way to implement them or to pay for them once implemented. I

 

consider that to be a failing. Boldness for the sake of boldness is flawed leadership. Huge waste of energy dreaming up pie in the sky when she could have been working on do-able policy.

She has never given me any sense of what qualifies her to be a leader of a superpower, THE leader
of the free world, to lead the international community, to deal with a world growing closer than ever before to a first nuclear catastrophe.

If she dreams up one more plan, I think I will stop reading anything about her. I notice when she is
not giving the occupy wall street economics lecture and not explaining one of her plans or unveiling a new one, she hasnít much conversation.

She has discovered the black electorate, but rather late in the day. Now she is outreaching to black leaders. Hey, Liz, they were there all along.

I donít think the problem in her potentially attaining a wider base is where she gets labeled on the political spectrum, but how wise or foolish her proposals are both in terms of political and financial
capital. I wonder too if she understands all she will have to do to rebuild the broken infrastructure
Trump will have left behind. And will she, between policy designing and implementing, have time to
Work on getting Iran back to the table, broker agreements between Israel and Palestinians?

Does she realize the Republicans want to cut social security while she is giving everyone two hundred more a month? No mention of protecting it as is, first order of biz. Oh, and while waiting to
roll out M4All, Repugs want to cut Medicare and Medicaid. No mention. Big ideas...
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:45 PM

14. M4A is political suicide. nt

 

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Response to BlueMississippi (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:01 PM

20. Totally

 

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:27 PM

5. That's the core issue that's holding back my support...

 

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:31 PM

7. No option for "my vote wouldn't change?"

 

I trust her to find a smart solution. Smart politicians arenít afraid to change their plan if it proves unworkable politically, or in practice.
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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:33 PM

9. Sorry, I added a few options to the list. nt

 

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:45 PM

13. Thanks

 

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:33 PM

10. Last two choices?

 

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Response to DrToast (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:45 PM

12. Those choices weren't there when I posted

 

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:52 PM

16. Clearly that will help, although she may have gone too far in for most voters to believe it,

 

especially in General Election.
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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:55 PM

17. I voted other. Nothing would change in my opinion of her. She's a close 2nd to my favorite & gaining

 

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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:00 PM

19. I prefer

 

Medicare for all who want it. I like my health insurance and donít want it taken away from me.
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Response to ecstatic (Original post)

Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:06 PM

21. If Mayor Pete is my "Choice #1", then Elizabeth Warren is my "Choice #1A", so I'm

 

not really sure how to answer the poll, but she would essentially be adopting Mayor Pete's position on health care, which I believe in my heart is the way to go.
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