I think every Democrat running for President owes Biden a debt of gratitude.

[beastie boy]

Biden has been singled out by Trump for a major assault on his character. He stands alone facing the worst Trump can throw at him, and Trump can't break him. Despite taking on the full force of Trump's attacks, Biden is still the front-runner, and as long as he remains in this position, the rest of the Presidential candidates remain relatively unaffected by Trump's attacks and free of relentless attempts at character assassination. This gives them the freedom to conduct their respective campaigns without having to face the full force of Trump's smear machine.

This, BTW, tells me two things about the Democratic primary race:

One, Biden has proven he can take on the worst Trump can throw at him and win.

Two, no other candidate can say the same.

[blm]

1. Trump lied blatantly about Ukraine and most media is exposing him on the lie.

Most media IS pummeling Trump for his Ukraine fiasco, and that includes his attempts to drag Biden through the mud.

The full brunt of Trump’s attacks is what Clinton was dealing with because most of the media gave Trump the benefit of the doubt while they were pummeling Clinton relentlessly and turning HER into the bad guy. On Ukraine story they recognized immediately that Trump is the bad guy and that Biden is the victim.

I guess we just disagree on what constitutes standing alone facing the worst Trump can throw.

[beastie boy]

8. You are not saying Biden is getting off easy, are you?

And even if you think he is, the rest of the candidates are not being smeared by Trump nearly as much as Biden.

Hillary's example notwithstanding, something tells me we don't disagree at all on what it means to stand alone against Trump.

[blm]

11. He's not. He's fortunate the media is going after Trump's lies against him.

That is already a huge difference from what HRC went through.

Not a matter of Biden getting off easy as you worded it. He’s being treated fairly and righteously by the majority of news outlets who see Trump’s actions against Biden as illegal, immoral, and impeachable.

Media has questioned even Republican lawmakers on what Trump did to Biden and most have said that it was wrong. I don’t see how you have concluded that Biden has been fighting Trump all alone on this.

[beastie boy]

13. I am not comparing Biden to Hillary. I am comparing him to other 2020 candidates.

I was outraged over how Hillary was treated in '16. Still am. But this is a subject for a whole separate thread, if you care to start it. My post was about the 2020 primaries.

I am not entirely convinced that Biden is being treated fairly or righteously by the majority of the press, but assuming he is, how does it change the premise of my post? Is Biden not supposed to be treated fairly? Are Trump's attacks on Biden somehow justifiable because Biden is being treated fairly? Does Biden not stand alone in the face of Trump's attacks? Don't other candidates benefit from not being attacked by Trump?

[blm]

15. Huh? You read that as Trump's attacks are justifiable because of press? Wow.

Let us know when the shuttle lands.

[beastie boy]

17. Glad you no longer have issues with what I originally posted, just one sentence in a later post.

Good progress, so I will keep trying. The sentence you are now challenging was a question: "Are Trump's attacks on Biden somehow justifiable because Biden is being treated fairly?" It was in response to one of your sentences: "He's fortunate the media is going after Trump's lies against him." When you say he is fortunate to be treated fairly by the media in response to my post about Biden being treated unfairly by Trump, was I supposed to read it as anything other than an attempt to minimize the unfortunate treatment of Biden by Trump? Really? On what planet?

And still, none of what you are now getting outraged about changes or challenges anything in my original post!

[coeur_de_lion]

20. He is NOT being treated fairly by the press

New York Times ffs:

Biden Faced His Biggest Challenge, and Struggled to Form a Response
As Trump made unfounded allegations about Biden and his son, the former vice president was torn over what to do. He now looks more vulnerable than at any point in the campaign.

Washington Post:

Joe Biden tries to turn attention to “wholly unfit” President Trump
Joe Biden on Saturday sought to take a more aggressive tone in combating President Trump, a shift in strategy amid signs of worry among campaign donors and supporters that his message is getting lost in an onslaught from the White House.

These are supposedly liberal papers. Twisting it to make Biden seem weak because of what tRump did to him.

[dalton99a]

2. Other D candidates are also being attacked by Republicans, not just Biden

Shit, there are people who want to kill Beto

[beastie boy]

9. There are people who want to kill the Pope, but believe it or not, Trump doesn't.

He probably just doesn't care enough.

But he cares enough to dig dirt on Biden, no one else (that we know of). This makes Biden's ability to stand up to Trump unique among the candidates.

[blm]

12. That's according to what YOU believe

[beastie boy]

14. What exactly do you think I believe?

Trump's attacks on Biden are a fact. Trump's near absence of attacks on other candidates is a fact. Democratic candidates not being attacked by Trump because he is laser focused on Biden is a fact.

The rest of it? Ok, I don't really believe someone out there wants to kill the Pope, I speculate on the subject. I don't really believe Trump doesn't want to kill the Pope, I speculate. Does this clear things up?

[pnwpolicy]

3. Didn't Trump start asking the CCP about Warren this summer?

Biden got singled out because TV media was featuring Biden most, and that's the only place Trump gets his information.

[dalton99a]

5. Yep.

[Gothmog]

6. trump is scared of Joe

Link to tweet

[blm]

10. Biden can defend himself. Harris can defend herself. Warren can defend ...

Herself. And so on.....They all can defend themselves. WE all are on board to defend democracy and our Dem leaders when they are attacked.

Trump’s attacks will always fall short as long as the media acts as honest brokers. That is what is happening with the Ukraine story. That didn’t happen with HRC in the 2016 campaign as most press came down on her for every thing while they gave passing glances to Trump’s criminal and unethical behavior throughout his life.

Trump will fear ANY Dem candidate who polls well against him. Before the Ukraine story broke, Trump was pissed that Warren bounced back after his attacks.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-and-elizabeth-warren-trumpworld-anxiety-grows-over-the-massachusetts-democrat

...........e making next to no dent.

“We all push out the bad Warren stories but they don’t go very far,” one Republican strategist said.

The frustration Republicans are beginning to feel about Warren’s non-stick nature was picked up repeatedly in interviews with 10 Republicans, including Trump campaign and White House officials, associates of the president, and other GOP operatives with knowledge of the situation. These sources stressed that the anti-Warren effort within GOP circles hadn’t fallen off since the DNA snafu. Indeed, everyone from officials on Trump’s 2020 re-election campaign, to the Republican National Committee, to a select group of opposition researchers have been sifting through her record in search of vulnerabilities. But with few punches landing, the worry is that Trump may have already taken his best shot, and that Warren will end up looking increasingly formidable for having bounced back.
......

[Gothmog]

4. Trump is spending millions of dollars attacking me because he's scared I'll beat him.

Link to tweet

[emmaverybo]

7. Joe is taking hold of the narrative! He's turning Trump's corrupt campaign against him into

evidence of his strength in a match-up, and it is.

Sure Trump has belittled other candidates, but he risked impeachment over Joe. Now don’t all rush in at once to become Trump’s nemesis.

What a way to handle Trump. And no whining, petty anger, or poor me about it.

[vsrazdem]

16. Joe can take care of himself. Other candidates don't owe him anything except the respect of

being a candidate and a democrat. He's being attacked because he has been the frontrunner for several months now. I think he can take it, if not he shouldn't be running.

[beastie boy]

18. You bet Joe can take care of himself! We have empirical evidence to attest to it.

He proved beyond anyone's doubt that he should be running. Something I can't say with the same degree of certainty about any other candidate.

But I still think they owe Joe a debt of gratitude, if for nothing else than remaining untested by the Trump smear juggernaut over their ability to take care of themselves and stay in the race.

[Cha]

19. It's about Democracy.. If this were happening to some

other candidate than my own I would want Biden to stand up for them by name.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[StarfishSaver]

21. This is surely difficult for Biden and terribly unfair

But it's a mere fraction of what Hillary Clinton had to put up with for a year and a half.