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mcar

(42,278 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:42 PM Oct 2019

Pierce: Hillary Clinton Is More Than Qualified to Judge the Effectiveness of Foreign-Influenced Stra

Hillary Clinton Is More Than Qualified to Judge the Effectiveness of Foreign-Influenced Straw Candidates

Clinton, who finally, after long years, has discovered that she has no fcks left to give, warned the country to beware that the Russians seem to be "grooming" Tusli Gabbard.

BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
OCT 18, 2019

...On Friday, Hillary Rodham Clinton, who finally, after long years, has discovered that she has no fcks left to give, warned the country to beware that the Russians seem to be "grooming" a Democratic candidate—cough Tulsi Gabbard cough—for the purposes of ratfcking the 2020 election. She also stated flatly her belief that Jill Stein had been a Russian asset in 2016, a position reinforced by the now-famous photo of Stein's sharing a table with Vladimir Putin in Moscow. Gabbard, however, leapt to the electric Twitter machine to wax wroth.
...

Gabbard's continued presence in the Democratic field is preposterous. She's polling in the lowest of the low single digits. Her positions on a number of issues have no constituency within the Democratic Party, and very little of one in the general electorate. HRC, on the other hand, no matter what you may think of her, got more votes for president than any Democratic candidate in American history. If she wants to continue to step out on issues within in the party, she's more than entitled to do so. In any case, if there's one person qualified to judge the effectiveness of foreign-influenced straw candidates, it's Hillary Rodham Clinton.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a29520250/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard-russian-asset-accusation/

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Pierce: Hillary Clinton Is More Than Qualified to Judge the Effectiveness of Foreign-Influenced Stra (Original Post) mcar Oct 2019 OP
Hot Damn, Pierce is absolutely dead on! Cha Oct 2019 #1
Yes. And he wasn't a big HRC fan in 2016, IIRC mcar Oct 2019 #3
And Hillary both outed Gabbard and innoculated the Democrats against her. Hillary never gets enough Cha Oct 2019 #8
She has been right every step of the way, Cha mcar Oct 2019 #9
And Van Jones is on CNN defending Tulsi BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #2
Oh for sweet Jeebus sake mcar Oct 2019 #5
Because of Course, he is! I forget what the last stupid Cha Oct 2019 #10
Mahalo Cha! BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #12
The world's hair is on fire ... LenaBaby61 Oct 2019 #11
K&R!!! 2naSalit Oct 2019 #4
HRC didn't even Iliyah Oct 2019 #6
Someone got a wee bit defensive mcar Oct 2019 #7
Didn't have to. paleotn Oct 2019 #16
TG refused to debate her last two Cha Oct 2019 #24
Thanks, Cha! I've read a little about him. paleotn Oct 2019 #25
I know.. I'm so happy Kai Kehele has emerged with Cha Oct 2019 #26
She didn't have to. herding cats Oct 2019 #17
Interesting editorial from Pierce. I have to disagree. I am sorry. But I must, and PatrickforO Oct 2019 #13
Hillary Clinton isn't a party leader. She's a retired Democratic politician StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #15
The evidence is already out there. You're not paying attention. pnwmom Oct 2019 #18
And she has the audacity to call HRC a "warmonger," Haggis for Breakfast Oct 2019 #19
I hope her opponent in Hawaii defeats her and knocks her out of the House. pnwmom Oct 2019 #21
one correction Skittles Oct 2019 #14
Jill Stein wasn't in the 2008 race, siphoning off progressive votes. n/t pnwmom Oct 2019 #22
Charles Pierce, calling the win! Bookmarking! Hekate Oct 2019 #20
K&R PunkinPi Oct 2019 #23
I hereby nominate Hillary Clinton for Special Prosecutor. Ligyron Oct 2019 #27
Hillary knows Putin well, and she knows he is a dangerous and aggressive enemy dalton99a Oct 2019 #28
Kicking! Cha Oct 2019 #29
Thanks Cha! mcar Oct 2019 #30
 

Cha

(296,848 posts)
1. Hot Damn, Pierce is absolutely dead on!
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:47 PM
Oct 2019

Mahalo, mcar!

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mcar

(42,278 posts)
3. Yes. And he wasn't a big HRC fan in 2016, IIRC
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:48 PM
Oct 2019

Love the guy. Don't always agree with him. But he's spot on here.

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Cha

(296,848 posts)
8. And Hillary both outed Gabbard and innoculated the Democrats against her. Hillary never gets enough
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:00 PM
Oct 2019
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mcar

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9. She has been right every step of the way, Cha
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:04 PM
Oct 2019

She never gets enough credit, indeed.

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BigmanPigman

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2. And Van Jones is on CNN defending Tulsi
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:48 PM
Oct 2019

while putting Hillary down. Remember this is the same ass who said, "He is finally becoming presidential" after the fucking moron's first State of the Union Address.

I said "Fuck You" and changed the channel fast.

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mcar

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5. Oh for sweet Jeebus sake
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:49 PM
Oct 2019
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Cha

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10. Because of Course, he is! I forget what the last stupid
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:09 PM
Oct 2019

thing he did but there was a whole thread about it a bit ago.. if I run across it I'll post it for relevancy.



Mahalo, BP!
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LenaBaby61

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11. The world's hair is on fire ...
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:11 PM
Oct 2019

Yet the clown went after Hillary and Nancy

Even though he signed that pos crime bill with his "buddies" Kim Kardashian and tRumputin, trumputin went after him @ TPUSA's Black Leadership Forum saying no one watches his show and he then called him a 3rd rate con-guy. Yet this clown capes for tRump at the expense of Nancy Pelosi and Hillary.

Comments like those are WHY on some African-American media websites et al, he's called OUT for being a foo in general (Trump became president at thi moment Van Jones on Trump: 'He became President of the United States in that moment, period' https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politics/van-jones-trump-congress-speech-became-the-president-in-that-moment-cnntv/index.html 🙄 ), and this picture is a representation of him 👇🏻👇🏻


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Iliyah

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6. HRC didn't even
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:54 PM
Oct 2019

mention a name . . .

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mcar

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7. Someone got a wee bit defensive
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:57 PM
Oct 2019
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paleotn

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16. Didn't have to.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:21 PM
Oct 2019

We all knew who she meant.

What I don't understand is how she ended up in the house from Hawaii of all places? I didn't think Hawaii had that many closet Rethug, blue dogs.

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Cha

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24. TG refused to debate her last two
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 09:43 AM
Oct 2019

primary opponents.

We'll see if she'll refuse to debate state senator Kai Kehele in 2020..






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paleotn

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25. Thanks, Cha! I've read a little about him.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 09:50 AM
Oct 2019

Damn strong candidate.

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Cha

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26. I know.. I'm so happy Kai Kehele has emerged with
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 09:58 AM
Oct 2019

such an excellent resume!

I voted for her last two opponents but they didn't get very far.

TG won't debate but she floods the areas with signs.. that every time I saw one I'd cover one eye and quickly move past.

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herding cats

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17. She didn't have to.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:25 PM
Oct 2019

The guilty always knee jerk and expose themselves.

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PatrickforO

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13. Interesting editorial from Pierce. I have to disagree. I am sorry. But I must, and
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:23 PM
Oct 2019

I'll tell you why.

Pierce seems to have bought into the notion that 'seems to' is strong enough to believe the accusation.

How many times have we watched our candidates get nailed by innuendo like this?

Now are we going to allow it internally, or should we ask Secretary Clinton to produce evidence?

We're the good guys here, or we like to think we are. We've all watched the GOP degenerate into the worst kind of corruption. We've all watched the GOP and right-wing media foster the idea that 'truth is not truth,' and that 'alternative truth' is somehow OK.

Well, it's not. And you all know it is not. I'm not saying Clinton isn't right, either, because Gabbard isn't really a Democrat, or seems to be one in name only. But I AM saying there needs to be some evidence beyond innuendo supporting this type of accusation.

Maybe, as Pierce says, she 'doesn't have any fucks left to give,' but she IS still one of the leaders in our party.

Well, big controversy for sure. We'll see how it plays out.

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StarfishSaver

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15. Hillary Clinton isn't a party leader. She's a retired Democratic politician
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:40 PM
Oct 2019

She's spent the majority of her life having to carefully measure every word she said, often being able to get attacked for being too guarded and not "authentic."

Now that she's a private citizen, she can say whatever the fork she wants to say.

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pnwmom

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18. The evidence is already out there. You're not paying attention.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:42 PM
Oct 2019

Just listen to Gabbard and her own statements, and watch her actions -- like going on a secret visit to see Assad, and then coming back here to speak out on his behalf.

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Haggis for Breakfast

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19. And she has the audacity to call HRC a "warmonger,"
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:28 PM
Oct 2019

While Assad has murdered his own people.

Does she actually think this shit is going to find favor with Americans ?

And yes, I'm shocked that she even got elected to ANYTHING in Hawaii.

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pnwmom

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21. I hope her opponent in Hawaii defeats her and knocks her out of the House.
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 11:26 PM
Oct 2019

But with the backing she appears to have from unknown sources, we probably won't have seen the last of her.

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Skittles

(153,113 posts)
14. one correction
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 08:32 PM
Oct 2019

Obama had more votes in 2008 than Hillary got in 2016

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pnwmom

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22. Jill Stein wasn't in the 2008 race, siphoning off progressive votes. n/t
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 11:28 PM
Oct 2019
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Hekate

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20. Charles Pierce, calling the win! Bookmarking!
Fri Oct 18, 2019, 10:43 PM
Oct 2019
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Ligyron

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27. I hereby nominate Hillary Clinton for Special Prosecutor.
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 09:59 AM
Oct 2019

It would be sweet justice to watch her kick Trump out of of office & into prison.

Yeah, yeah, I know, it's just not how it works but I can still fantasize.

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dalton99a

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28. Hillary knows Putin well, and she knows he is a dangerous and aggressive enemy
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 10:01 AM
Oct 2019
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mcar

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30. Thanks Cha!
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:14 AM
Oct 2019
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