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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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55% of Democratic primary voters are considering casting their ballots for Elizabeth Warren (Original Post) bluewater Oct 2019 OP
The nomination will be decided long before NMs primary in June. comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #1
Well she is promising a lot, something new weekly. Reality will set in at some point. Hoyt Oct 2019 #2
She is making proposals that are grounded in reality Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #3
Yes, I am familiar with them, and they all are worthy. Unfortunately, she can't pay for them Hoyt Oct 2019 #4
Apparently not familiar enough Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #6
Yep, she's spent her supposed funding sources many times over. It's unrealistic. Hoyt Oct 2019 #7
You just keep hanging onto that "she can't fund everything" Blue_true Oct 2019 #15
She has never once mentioned priorities -- just promise after promise, the type populists always Hoyt Oct 2019 #16
Politician promise. Then when elected, they set priorities. Blue_true Oct 2019 #17
Never said it hasn't happened, but at least you admit she's BSing us. People will see that. Hoyt Oct 2019 #18
Yeah, the Senate will certainly approve all of Warren's plans Lexblues Oct 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #8
Biden promised rich donors that "nothing will change" bluewater Oct 2019 #13
Unlike Warren, Biden is smart enough to know that if wealthy fear big changes, they'll cash in Hoyt Oct 2019 #14
re: "No other candidates come close to 50%. " thesquanderer Oct 2019 #5
um, they included Joe at 48% then said no OTHER candidates come close to 50% bluewater Oct 2019 #9
Yup! (n/t) thesquanderer Oct 2019 #10
happens to us all bluewater Oct 2019 #11
 

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
1. The nomination will be decided long before NMs primary in June.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:46 PM
Oct 2019

It doesn't matter who I support it will be over before I can vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Well she is promising a lot, something new weekly. Reality will set in at some point.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 01:47 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
3. She is making proposals that are grounded in reality
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 03:09 PM
Oct 2019

And backed up with facts and funding mechanisms. I doubt that you've ready anything about a single one of them so here is a link:
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans#rebuild-the-middle-class

Try reading some of them and then when you post your comments can be grounded in reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Yes, I am familiar with them, and they all are worthy. Unfortunately, she can't pay for them
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 03:17 PM
Oct 2019

so it's just a pipe-dream. She will likely lose the General Election for that very reason, assuming she can even take the Democratic Primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
6. Apparently not familiar enough
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 03:30 PM
Oct 2019

Because her plans include funding mechanisms. It's funny that you accuse her of bieng unrealistic while you make unsubtantiated or outright false claims like the ones here. She does have ways to pay for them and she beats rump in head-to-head polls. Try reading them this time and look at some head-to-head polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Yep, she's spent her supposed funding sources many times over. It's unrealistic.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 03:39 PM
Oct 2019

Just unfulfilled promises that voters will see through, putting us years away from getting any significant improvements.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. You just keep hanging onto that "she can't fund everything"
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:11 PM
Oct 2019

claim like she will try to fund everything at the same time. Somehow the word "priorities" keeps flying off you like water off a duck.

My guess is she will decide what is most critical when President, and she would fund that one or two items. It turns out that once she implement the first two, normal economic dynamics take over to provide tax revenue to partially or completely fund the next items in her priorities list.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. She has never once mentioned priorities -- just promise after promise, the type populists always
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:19 PM
Oct 2019

give to people. Even if she tried to implement them in steps, at some point all that tax piles up and the deficit is even more than today. Oh BTW, has she ever mentioned the word Deficit?

She won't win the general election, and is questionable in the Democratic primary.

Heck, she even came out against Obama's medical device tax because that's a big industry in her state. That tax might have been small -- roughly 2.5% -- but it was a major aspect of the ACA, making those who profit from the healthcare industry pay. But, the medical device lobbyists got to Warren and she rolled.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. Politician promise. Then when elected, they set priorities.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:27 PM
Oct 2019

To act like that has not historically happened is what gets my goat with you.

But otherwise

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. Never said it hasn't happened, but at least you admit she's BSing us. People will see that.
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 09:30 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lexblues

(180 posts)
12. Yeah, the Senate will certainly approve all of Warren's plans
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 04:49 PM
Oct 2019

Even without a filibuster, she couldn't get 50 Dems to agree on her plans. Her plans are DOA.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
13. Biden promised rich donors that "nothing will change"
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 05:07 PM
Oct 2019

Unfortunately, that's a very easy promise to keep, eh?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. Unlike Warren, Biden is smart enough to know that if wealthy fear big changes, they'll cash in
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 07:30 PM
Oct 2019

and hide assets, maybe setting off another recession. Warren seems more interested in spouting populist stuff, without an understanding or carrying about impact.

She did that running up to the November 2016 by bashing Obama and Clinton over global trade. Helped give us trump, IMO, and we got the tariffs and reneging on trade agreements she wanted all along.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
5. re: "No other candidates come close to 50%. "
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 03:28 PM
Oct 2019

Well, I'd say Biden's 48% comes pretty close to 50%.

What's significant to me isn't the absolute figure, but that Warren ranks first in this metric, even despite lower name recognition than Biden or Sanders. Others might come some up as their recognition increases, but Biden and Sanders have less upside potential.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. um, they included Joe at 48% then said no OTHER candidates come close to 50%
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 04:24 PM
Oct 2019

You misread that, apparently.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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