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Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:17 PM

 

VOX: The Hillary Clinton-Tulsi Gabbard feud, explained

By Zack Beauchamp@zackbeauchampzack@vox.com Oct 22, 2019, 8:40am EDT

Hillary Clinton emerged from relative political obscurity last week to claim that Tulsi Gabbard, a Democratic presidential candidate and member of Congress from Hawaii, was “the favorite of the Russians” prepping for a third-party spoiler run during a podcast interview. She went so far as to imply that the representative was “a Russian asset.”

Gabbard fired back by calling Clinton “the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party.” In Gabbard’s telling, her party’s 2016 nominee was behind “a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation ... through your proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine.”

“It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me,” Gabbard, who is at 1.2 percent in the RealClearPolitics primary polling average, concluded. “Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.”

This is a bizarrely intense fight given that these two are members of the same party. Clinton suggesting Gabbard is the Kremlin’s chosen agent for destroying the Democrats in 2020? Gabbard accusing Clinton of being the puppet master behind a massive conspiracy against her? Are these people serious?

Unfortunately, the answer to that question is “yes” — in ways that reveal some troubling tendencies among American liberals and leftists today.

More: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/22/20924999/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard-fight-explained
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Reply VOX: The Hillary Clinton-Tulsi Gabbard feud, explained (Original post)
Quixote1818 Oct 2019 OP
Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #1
LisaM Oct 2019 #8
Perseus Oct 2019 #9
betsuni Oct 2019 #18
brush Oct 2019 #33
George II Oct 2019 #2
redqueen Oct 2019 #4
ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #5
Cha Oct 2019 #6
Cha Oct 2019 #3
kcr Oct 2019 #10
Cha Oct 2019 #12
kcr Oct 2019 #15
Cha Oct 2019 #16
Quixote1818 Oct 2019 #21
kcr Oct 2019 #30
BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #11
Cha Oct 2019 #14
Pachamama Oct 2019 #28
Cha Oct 2019 #29
StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #7
Cha Oct 2019 #13
2naSalit Oct 2019 #17
Cha Oct 2019 #23
jpak Oct 2019 #24
BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #26
Quixote1818 Oct 2019 #19
ismnotwasm Oct 2019 #20
Quixote1818 Oct 2019 #22
BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #27
yardwork Oct 2019 #32
Skidmore Oct 2019 #25
yardwork Oct 2019 #31

Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:28 PM

1. When Hillary Clinton speaks,

 

I listen. She’s been right on just about everything. No reason to doubt her judgement now.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:40 PM

8. She was first right about the right-wing conspiracies that were after Bill in the 1990s

 

That turned into the Fox Noise machine, not to mention the vast swaths of America served almost solely by right-wing hate radio. She got laughed at for her pains, but people should have listened then and they need to listen now.

With her track record, people need to pay attention.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:42 PM

9. Agree 1000%

 

Every time I see her my heart break because I know the World would be so much different today if the creature and his minions had not cheated, and if Democrats had been proactive in anticipating it.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:25 PM

18. She was the most honest of any 2016 candidate, yet portrayed as a corrupt liar.

 

And so many people were happy to believe it.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:57 AM

33. The NYT has now admitted to misquoting Hillary. She didn't say Russians...

 

she said the GOP was grooming Gabbard for a third-party run.

Make you wonder if the NYT misquoted her accidentally on purpose as that paper has quite a long history of Clinton hate.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/new-york-times-changes-story-admitting-they-misquoted-clinton-saying-russians-were-grooming-tulsi-gabbard/

Sorry for the link but it tells the real deal on this. Rawstory's site can get quite confusing with all the pop-ups.
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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:30 PM

2. Meh (never used that word before) - it's not a feud. Hillary Clinton made her comment and moved on..

 

Gabbard should do the same.
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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:34 PM

4. Should, yes.

 

But that's not what's happening. I hope it starts to die down soon.
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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:34 PM

5. +1000

 

She’s milking it.
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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:38 PM

6. Instead gabbard went paronoid and ballistic and RAN

 

to white nationalist tucker's fox show and Whined some Moar!

And, now jill stein is doing the same thing.. Lying about Hillary.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:33 PM

3. BULL.. Zack hasn't been paying attention.. Hillary

 

has been calling out trump on his utter BullShit all along..

Hillary's appreciation thread on DU..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212604573

Hillary was right about trump being a Russian puppet and no one listened to her and here we are.

As one of the people in TG's district.. I'm grateful to Hillary Clinton and the People supporting, Kai Kahele, gabbard's Challenger are, too.

The people of Hawaii are helping Kai Kahele now..


But local insiders say a primary challenge from state Sen. Kai Kahele is to be taken seriously, in part because he already has high-profile support among towering local officials.

That includes three former governors in the local Democratic establishment: Neil Abercrombie, Ben Cayetano and John Waihee, who don't often appear as a bloc.

"That gives a pretty good indication of how the mainstream Democratic Party here regards her," said Colin Moore, director of the Public Policy Center at the University of Hawaii.

Kahele told CNN on Monday that his campaign had its best day of fundraising when Gabbard and Clinton clashed.
Gabbard has not formally announced a reelection bid for her House seat. Candidates have until June 2, 2020, to file for that November's election.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/21/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hawaii-hillary-clinton/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=image&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-10-22T01%3A04%3A06




Mahalo, Goth! https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=320221




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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:42 PM

10. Zach Beauchamp is a Russia Influence denier

 

His pieces on Vox are often linked by the right. He went nuts along with the other deniers after Bob Barr famously released his report "exonerating" Trump.
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Response to kcr (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:49 PM

12. OMG! Thanks for telling me that, kcr..

 

Not sure why anyone would think it's a good idea to post a "Russia Influence denier" on DU?
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Response to Cha (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:57 PM

15. No problem. Your comment about his attention span

 

Prompted me to comment. I think Zach's attention is pretty selective, especially when it comes to anything Clinton. I read Vox because they do have some good writing, but obviously some of it is crap. I remember his crap about Russia.
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Response to kcr (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 05:03 PM

16. Thank you! His "... Hillary out of political obscurity.. "

 

was a damn red flag.
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Response to kcr (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:48 PM

21. I guess that goes for all the mainstream media then?

 

Because pretty much everyone form ABC News, CNN, NBC to the New York times has a similar conclusion to this article.
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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:00 AM

30. Got any links?

 

edit: Funny thing about the NYT. Have you heard? They misquoted Hillary. She actually said it was the GOP. And we all know what's been going on with them.
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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:43 PM

11. That's good to hear.

 

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:55 PM

14. It's amazing to know, BP!

 

And, there's this..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287317411
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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:47 AM

28. Kao Kahele is going to be a wonderful Congressman for your District Cha!

 

I donated to him and I encourage anybody disgusted by Tulsi Gabbard do so.

It’s a very effective and satisfying way to combat Russian interference in elections.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #28)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 07:03 AM

29. Isn't it, though, Pachamama!

 

It working out better than I could have hoped when we were all so bummed in 2018.. it didn't seem fair and now we more than know why!

Mahalo for donating to Kai!
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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:39 PM

7. Not a "feud"

 

And Hillary Clinton is not, never had been, and never will be on "political obscurity."
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 04:51 PM

13. Ikr! "And Hillary Clinton is not, never had been, and never will be on "political obscurity."

 

That was the Red Flag.. right there.
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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 06:57 PM

17. For me there were at least three red flags in the first paragraph.

 

HRC never mentioned anyone's name when suggesting someone was being favored by russian hacks. She never called a House rep. a russian asset. She called Jill Stein an asset. And the only fued is in TG's head and the heads of her following.

Aside from the fact that HRC has not been in political obscurity.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:53 PM

23. Right, 2naSalit.. there is a big "Feud" in TG's

 

head!
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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:55 PM

24. Ding Ding Ding

 

Folks pushing the "feud" thingy are probably Russian assets sowing discord.

Yup
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:09 AM

26. This!

 

Absolutely correct!

Tulsi is thriving on her 15 minutes before fading into "political obscurity."

Frankly, this is more of a Faux Noise media circus than a "feud."

Hillary didn't even say Tulsi's name. But Tulsi assumed that SHE was the one meant and the media play along, as they always do when they have the slightest excuse to drag Hillary over the coals.
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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:41 PM

19. LOL. I knew this one would get people riled up.

 

I personally don't think Gabbard has ANY plans to disrupt anything and please bring this post to my attention and shove it down my throat if she does run 3rd party. Sure she lines up with Russia on like one or two foreign policy issues putting her at odds with many Dems which has possibly caused Russia to latch onto her and put a few Russian bots out to help her campaign which was going no place until Hillary shined a red hot spotlight on her, but that is as far as it goes. Anything else is everyone imaginations going wild. This goes back to Gabbard being a Maverick with the DNC when she didn't like the good old boy networking going on. Just as they said on ABC, news twitter is filled with this conspiracy stuff but it doesn't line up with the current evidence. Even Malcolm Nance who would know, has said she isn't a Russian asset. Gabbard likes the more left wing part of the party and she will be backing any democratic nominee. As for going on Fox News? Lots of Dems have done that over the years from Wes Clark to Pet. It gets her exposure and raises her profile.
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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:47 PM

20. Gabbard has a problematic background

 

A modicum of actual research reveal this.

But you are right, she’s not going anywhere politically. So you deliberately posted something to get people “riled up”? Interesting
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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 07:49 PM

22. Riled up by the truth.

 

I agree she has issues but she isn't a Russian asset. All that is making us look foolish.
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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:13 AM

27. Tulsi was the one who

 

assumed that SHE was the one meant. That smacks of "too much" protest to me.

Either that or she is an opportunist. Or both.

I'm going with both.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:08 AM

32. Clinton didn't say that Gabbard is a Russian asset.

 

The NYT has corrected their erroneous reporting, and even the first report didn't say that Clinton called Gabbard a Russian asset.

Clinton said that Jill Stein is a Russian asset.
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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:02 AM

25. This story is based on a misquote of Hillary by the NYT

 

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/new-york-times-changes-story-admitting-they-misquoted-clinton-saying-russians-were-grooming-tulsi-gabbard/#.Xa-gAKKls4E.twitter

In fact, the actual thing Clinton said was that Republicans were grooming Gabbard to be a third-party spoiler candidate in 2020.

“Hillary Clinton waded into the Democratic primary on Friday by suggesting that Russia was backing Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii for president and that Republicans were ‘grooming’ her as a third-party candidate,” The Times said in a corrected report (emphasis from RawStory).

“It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me,” Gabbard tweeted about Clinton. “Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.”

In an interview with Fox News Monday, Trump used the inaccurate quote to justify diminishing the accusations of his links to Russia.
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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed Oct 23, 2019, 09:05 AM

31. "Emerged from political obscurity?" The first sentence is laughable.

 

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