Anita Hill ready to hold Biden accountable

[Bradshaw3]

From CNN:
"I'm ready to move on, but I am also ready to hold Joe Biden accountable. Accountability means acknowledging your role in a problem and the harm it's caused. Acknowledging that you have culpability," Hill said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/politics/anita-hill-senate-allegations-kavanaugh/index.html

[groundloop]

1. This discussion might get interesting.

[BannonsLiver]

13. No more so than the 10 million other times it's come up.

[LakeArenal]

18. This is not breaking news in any sense.

[Bradshaw3]

34. It wasn't posted in breaking news

And it is a story from CNN today. Your "we've all heard this before" take may play well among those who share your views but it could very well be a different story among voters.

[LakeArenal]

37. Not so far it hasn't. But you keep trying.

You just like to argue with folks.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

50. No question... Anita has every right after what she was put through!! #MeToo

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[OilemFirchen]

66. It's Dr. Hill.

Show some fucking respect.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

67. LOL... no one respects Anita more than me!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

71. LMFAO... but but but, it's okay to call Sen./Sec. Clinton "Hillary," VP Biden "Joe?! etc

You're too funny... #IStandWithAnita!!!! Guess you don't respect the hashtag!!

Thanks for the laugh though!!!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[OilemFirchen]

72. SOS Clinton chose that mononym to differentiate herself from her husband.

It was her choice.

Nonetheless, you'll never find me using anything other than a person's proper title, unless it's necessary for shorthand. Never their first name alone, unless that's their preference, or to be derisive.

Go to it. Search my posts.

You have no respect for Dr. Hill, and have proven so repeatedly throughout this thread.

[OilemFirchen]

80. What a fantastic attitude!

Including that you speak for everyone.

How precious!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

85. I didn't get to see that post above, before you had it removed... but I can tell you

I myself don't pretend to speak for anyone, or dictate what is respectful or not as you have done. Like I said, you want to refer to Anita as Dr. Hill, good for you... your entitled to show what you consider respect, but why push your standards on everyone else?! I respect the HELL out of Anita... regardless of your opinion.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[OilemFirchen]

93. I had nothing removed.

Those aren't my standards, they're part of our civilized society.

Without them, you end up with Donald Trump as President.

[redqueen]

117. Many people with PhDs do not expect to be called Dr

especially by strangers informal settings.

Not assuming it's their preference does not result in having a president Trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

141. Ya think?! haha... but thanks for sayin'

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

140. Oh ok fine, but referring to her as Anita is so uncivilized as to lead to electing tRump President?!

Wow... hyperbole much?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. Well good for you!! But why judge others?! Indeed, I absolutely LOVE Anita

as demonstrated throughout this thread, and in every thread I've be ever posted about her. Anita's freakin' AWESOME!... I have HUGE respect for her and what she did to rid us of that sexist, perv Thomas.

So you've condemned every poster who's used the #IStandWithAnita hashtag? Or, did Anita object to that? Please do tell!

You've condemned every poster - and yourself? - referring to VP Biden as Joe? Link please.

Why would you make negative assumptions about one of Anita's BIGGEST supporters?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

91. Oh please...I went though way worse than she did...and survived literally was in the

hospital for several weeks. She has milked this for years.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

98. She was publicly humiliated and abandoned before the entire country...

I'm sorry to hear about your awful experience, but how does that justify belittling her's?!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

115. She has milked it for years and used it against Democrats only...thus I have no respect for what she

does. Just once it would be nice if she went after the right people...GOP types.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

120. The point is she DID go after the "right" person, THOMAS... and look how she was treated!!

Expecting an acknowledgement of that and a proper apology is not "milking it" in my view.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

124. it happened forty years ago...a different time. And I would not let something like that define my

life. And Biden did not do it Clarence Thomas did. Any woman coming forward at that time was going to be treated as guilty until proven innocent. There would have been no hearing without Biden.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

126. I see your point... I'll leave it at that.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Demsrule86]

131. Fair enough! By the way, I have looked extensively at the polls and believe that Sen.

Sanders numbers do not reflect his true position in this primary...he is doing better than what the polls suggest.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

146. Kind of you to say, thanks... all the best!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

137. No she wasn't abandoned.

[jberryhill]

143. She's living on the streets, penniless apparently

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

147. So NOT funny what happened to Anita.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[jberryhill]

149. It's been great for her career

Can I ask you something?

Would you think that leaving a well paid position to go work in a Republican administration is something you’d jump at the chance to do?

Do you think someone with the political and judicial views of Clarence Thomas just screams, “Yeah, I want to work for that guy!”?

Would you take an oath to Oral Roberts University?

If you answered “no”’ to any of those questions, then congratulations! You are not Anita Hill.

[redqueen]

155. And that has what to do with how badly she was treated

during those hearings?

[jberryhill]

161. It has everything to do with going after Biden

[redqueen]

163. He could defuse it

not sure why he has chosen not to do so.

Seems like a bad call.

[jberryhill]

164. oh, nonsense

There is nothing he could or would say to address this individual's problem without it being analyzed to death and some fault found with it.

The entire political "public apology" ritual is a crock of shit. Every time. I do not recall a single apology ever issued by any politician in response to demands that was deemed sufficient to defuse a damned thing. It only serves to keep the controversy going.

Every. Single. Time.

And it doesn't matter who is outraged over what and demanding the apology. It is a certainty there is nothing that will be sufficient.

The fact of the matter is that the vote on Clarence Thomas - again, the Talibornagain with whom she had no political or philosophical quarrel in the first place - would not have swung one way or the other on the basis of additional witnesses. It was not a matter of the majority of the Senate not believing Hill. It was a matter of them frankly not giving a shit about it. Most of the senators who voted to confirm Thomas probably believed Hill was telling the truth.

How about this - if you are unhappy with it, then don't vote for Biden. If you aren't, then go ahead and vote for him. But Biden doesn't owe me, you, or anyone on this forum jack shit in relation to Anita Hill's resentment.

[redqueen]

170. Biden owes women everywhere an explanation and an apology.

It wasn't you sitting up on the stand being cross examined by someone whom you might have expected to handle the situation fairly - so I see no reason why you should be so emotional.

The fact is, whether or not you, I, Biden, or anyone else thinks that having expert witnesses on the stand would have helped - witnesses who were ready and willing to testify - it would have been the smart thing to do. Based on pure politics. He didn't.

Why Biden decided not to do it, and why he went further than that and joined in with the republicans in grilling her, I'll never know.

What I do know is that unless he stops saying things like 'i wish I could have done more', this issue will definitely not go away. If he owns up to what he did, it would be enough for most. It wouldn't be enough for everyone, because some people are like that, but it would be finally accepted as an ACTUAL apology, and not the ersatz apologies he's offered up to now.

[jberryhill]

171. "an ACTUAL apology, and not the ersatz apologies"

Lol, yep.

Like the other demanded apologies from politicians which are deemed "actual" instead of "ersatz" all of the time.

It won't accomplish jack, just as the now "expert" instead of "corroborating" witnesses that were suggested at the time. You can make up your mind on your own what type of witnesses were supposed to change the minds of the senators who TOLD Biden that it wasn't going to change their vote one way or the other.

[redqueen]

173. I give up.

Good luck. I expect you'll be getting very upset about this issue for a good while.

[kcr]

156. Women who go to work for Republicans aren't asking for it

No one here should need to be told that.

[jberryhill]

160. What a ridiculous takeaway

They do, however, go after Democrats.

She has more to say about Joe Biden than Clarence Thomas.

[Tipperary]

103. Wow.

Did you watch those hearings? I did. I remember them well.

[Demsrule86]

119. I have seen them...but not at the time...she did some things that made her look bad like offering

to drive him alone to the airport...it has been my opinion for years that she played along a bit in order to save her job or to get ahead...lots of women did back in the day. I don't blame her. I had a broker put his hands down my pants on an elevator....what a jerk. And could do nothing as i needed my job to put food on the table. Had I complained later, it would have hurt me...And the same thing hurt her in the hearings IMHO. Different times. I do believe it is better today. What happened to her is not Biden's fault but Clarence Thomas's fault.

[Tipperary]

121. I actually cannot believe I just read this here.

It makes her look bad to offer to drive him to the airport alone?

What? Do you think women need chaperones? Hmm, who does this remind me of???

[Demsrule86]

132. In the 1980's it would...if it was so horrible than why put yourself in a position to be alone

with him...would be the question... I don't doubt it was made to look worse than it was...but you had to be perfect to win those early sexual harassment battles. And what about Arlen Specter who behaved horribly? You are judging this hearing by 21st century standards. There was little that you could do if you were in her position. I commend her for coming forward, I wouldn't do it myself. However it was not Biden's fault. It was Thomas's fault and this is political nonsense. She backs a different candidate...and I find her using this distasteful.

[Tipperary]

182. Yeah, and women who get raped better hope they were not

wearing “provocative” clothing either, right?

I was a professional working woman in the 80s. With all due respect, your comment is nonsense. My father was driven to the airport by his secretary in the 60s! Omg, the horror!

[Cuthbert Allgood]

172. Right?

Apparently a woman driving a man ALONE to an airport means that she wants to have sex with that guy and if she doesn't, then she deserves what she gets. Hussy. The gaul of driving a man to the airport. IN THE 1980s!

Sometimes people are just gross.

[redqueen]

175. I almost can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading about this.

Almost.

[redqueen]

118. Wow nt

[Demsrule86]

123. It was what forty years ago? And never not once has she ever called out a Republican for it...Bush

nominated Thomas. Sorry, this is just more shit that in the end will not hurt Biden.

[ChubbyStar]

145. It was 1991

You need to work on your math skills.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

174. Ahhh, the early 90s.

A time when women couldn't drive a man to the airport alone and not expect to be sexually harassed by that man. Simpler times. Simpler times.

Some people need to just stop typing about Anita Hill, I think.

[DURHAM D]

2. This -

"she thinks Biden fails to grasp the damage he did to her and other victims of sexual harassment"

As best I can tell he still doesn't get it.

That does not mean he can not think about it, speak to it, and to her in the near future.

[loyalsister]

82. Everytime I have seen him talk about it

his defensiveness seems to get in the way of trying to see it from her perspective. He has a way of taking things that are not about him personally.
Kamala Harris shared her experience to make a point about what she saw as a flawed approach to dealing with partisanship and it became all about Joe Biden. He could easily have taken a beat and made the case that from his end, he was in a tough spot doing the best he could in that political environment, while acknowledging that from the perspective of a person affected by the policy the view might be different from what he hoped or intended.

[hlthe2b]

3. I love Hill; I admire Hill; I respect Hill; I believed her then and I believe her now but...

No. I hated how he conducted that committee and that hearing. It sucked. He was wrong. But it was Thomas and Spector and Simpson and their ilk who were the true villains.

What is the goal here? Whether or not Biden is or should be the nominee, how does going after him once again help anything except quite possibly assure Donald J. (grab her by the P...ssy) Trump more likely to win a second term?

Dr. Hill. I have been with you for decades, but now? NO. Nothing is more important than removing Trump and ensuring no other R takes office. Nothing. Nothing. There is such a thing as consideration for the greater good and never are we likely to experience such a time more acutely.

[Bradshaw3]

15. You are assuming Biden is the only way to remove rump

Clearly there are other candidates who are quite capable of doing that who don't carry the baggage that Biden does.

[hlthe2b]

20. NO, I am not. I, rather assume the damage to be spread over the entire field by RWers and it will.

They've already been attempting to do this with Ukraine--backfiring yes, but it has allowed some independents to assume the "bothsiderism" bullshit, just as this issue will allow Trump once again to deflect.

[Bradshaw3]

31. That is a deflection

Again, your post assumes that anything that doesn't show Biden in a good light means rump will be re-elected. How about we choose a candidate who doesn't have this baggage?

[hlthe2b]

33. No... ... You are wrong.

[Bradshaw3]

36. Hard to argue with that logic

[LakeArenal]

38. Like Warren's Franken Railroad Bagage?

They all have baggage.

[Bradshaw3]

43. Isn't that bothsiderism?

Please don't start that because Biden will lose on that front every time.

[LakeArenal]

46. Oh sure. Everyone has baggage

YOU want to keep this argument going.

Everyone has baggage. If YOU choose to call it whatever, don’t expect anyone but you to sign on.

And your bomb of Joe loses every time.

Bs bs bs.

[revmclaren]

70. As has been said... everyone has baggage.

If many DUers had to follow their own purity tests that they demand from our candidates and Democratic leaders, they would fail miserably (DUers who supported Russian hacking, who claimed the DNC rigs elections, who ran off to JPR to avoid voting for Clinton during the general election, etc).

You do agree, don't you Bradshaw3 ?



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[LanternWaste]

169. I get it... it's bad form to hold all candidates to the same standards.

I s'pose the wisdom-fits-on-a-t--shirt crowd would need to infer that as bothsiderism to support it as such.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. Exactly, Joe's moderate incrementalism is not the only way! Indeed, Bernie has shown us a better way

namely bold progressivism!! Slowly, but surely, the polls are bearing this out.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TexasTowelie]

56. Yes, but what baggage do those other candidates carry?

Rehashing something that occurred decades earlier serves no purpose. Anita Hill has been on other broadcasts earlier this year and had the opportunity to provide her point of view. It had no effect on the race and I doubt that anyone will be persuaded to change their votes because she decided to speak out again. To state it concisely, Anita Hill is yesterday's news.

I also don't see some of the candidates as capable of defeating Trump since they are polling within the margin of error in key battleground states.

[EveHammond13]

78. this post is definitely going to crush Biden

[Demsrule86]

95. Not true...they have their own baggage and certain policy ideas from your candidate MFA most

notably will doom her in the general. But Biden is the only one who will win the states we need...particularly Wisconsin.

[melman]

29. So what you're saying is you support her until it gets inconvenient for you

And then you don't. If you're only 'with' her on your terms you're not really with her at all.

[hlthe2b]

32. No.. that is absolute bullshit. MELMAN

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

[LakeArenal]

39. SHE'S THE ONE "MOVING ON"

Don’t hate just because others are too.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. I stand with Anita. Joe should at least properly apologize to her...

THEN we can talk about moving on. That would be a smart political move on Joe's part.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TexasTowelie]

58. What constitutes a "proper" apology to you?

An apology is between two people. Anita Hill was not satisfied with Joe's apology earlier this year so I don't see where Biden should grovel to Anita Hill if she is going to be dissatisfied anyway. If anything, it makes Biden appear weak by doing so.

Unfortunately, in life I've found that some people are perpetually offended regardless as to whether a transgression was committed or the efforts of the person who allegedly made the offenses to empathize or correct the situation. Anita Hill has the right to harbor her grudges against Biden, but she shouldn't expect everyone else to be unforgiving about something that happened nearly three decades ago.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Fair enough, but then no one should be calling to silence Anita.

I'm saying Joe's giving Anita a proper apology is the best way for Joe to get this behind him.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TexasTowelie]

89. I've been in the position where I've had to apologize for some of my actions

that I made decades ago. No matter how much I've shown my remorse or the number of times that I apologized, that person will continue to bring up those actions against me when we have disagreements. There comes a point that I had to accept that nothing I had to say would alleviate the situation. Finally, I remembered this prayer so that I didn't have to feel the burden of guilt:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

I believe that Biden has shown his remorse to Anita Hill, but he also knows that there isn't anything he can do that will change the situation or make Anita Hill feel better. There is where the last line of that prayer is relevant for Biden. I think that the rest of us should take some guidance from the last line since none of the posts in this thread are going to change anything.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. Fair point, though, if I recall, Joe's "apology" fell a bit flat. Will have to look at it again.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TexasTowelie]

96. Don't bother.

Joe apologized, Anita didn't accept it. What the rest of us think doesn't matter. It's time to move on instead of harboring grudges for decades.

[jberryhill]

165. Ding Ding Ding Ding

The game of "let's demand an apology and then attack the apology" is one of the more tedious bits of American political voodoo.

Don't like Joe? Don't vote for him. Period.

I'm not voting for Biden should there be other preferable candidates in the field when it comes to my state. Warren is my preferred candidate. But this "Biden needs to apologize to Anita Hill" thing - and it has come and gone before - is horseshit.

[George II]

136. He did, MORE than once. What are you looking for, specifically?

[jberryhill]

102. But he has never had this good a shot as a candidate

So of course now it is important for Anita Hill to get revenge.

[TidalWave46]

4. These are the things that help Biden in a major way.

I wonder if Hill is communicating directly with his camp. Maybe Flores will will make another showing for Biden.

[crazytown]

5. Is Hill campaigning against Clarence Thomas?

[jberryhill]

106. No, she's more like him than not

You have to remember that she’s a former faculty member at Oral Roberts University.

She helped prepare a generation of lawyers who fight against equal rights and choice every damned day.

And she wants an apology from Biden. Lol.

[DURHAM D]

110. She was at Oral Roberts for less than 3 years.

She took the job to be near her family. Then she taught law at OU for a few years but spent the bulk of her career at Brandeis in NY.

One of the reasons she left Oklahoma was because after her testimony regarding Thomas the first order of business every year for the state legislature was to introduce a resolution demanding that OU fire her from the law faculty.

She left Oklahoma and her family to get away from the hate. I see it still follows her and your statement about a "generation of lawyers who fight against equal rights and choice" could not be more incorrect.

[jberryhill]

130. Yeah right. Michele Bachmann's alma mater

Education at Oral Roberts is subordinate to a particular worldview and mission to implement that worldview.

One has choices in life.

[DURHAM D]

138. She graduated from Yale law school.

Again, at that point in her lie she wanted to be near her family.

I know her personally and you obviously don't.

[jberryhill]

139. Michelle Bachmann did not graduate from Yale

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I’m sorry, but I do not need to know Anita Hill to be well acquainted with the mission and purpose of Oral Roberts University.

These places like Oral Roberts, Liberty, or Pat Robertson’s outfit have a definite agenda which they serve as institutions to advance.

I don’t give a shit what Hill’s personal views may be, because they are obviously not exclusive of serving to advance the cause of Oral Roberts U. They require an oath from their faculty. Do you know what it says? If not, I’d suggest you ask her.

She has helped spawn legions more Clarence Thomases.

And it hardly needs explanation that she had no issue with Clarence Thomas’ political views or judicial philosophy (such as it is). He has been a Christofascist from the get-go, and it is THAT Clarence Thomas for whom she left lucrative private practice to work - because she thought that highly of him and his addled mind.

Her issue was with his behavior, not his bizarre RW Christofascist ideology which is likewise consistent with Oral Roberts.

You can say “it was three years” all you like, but it is three years more than Joe Biden ever spent advancing that agenda.

Her only public service was to eagerly serve as that nutjob’s assistant in a Republican administration.

[evertonfc]

6. threat?

I think the Hill problem is long built into Joe's support. If these individuals want to rehash decades old events, those of us who admire and respect Joe Biden will be ready to defend his character. Wanna tear our party apart already?

[stopdiggin]

7. OK. That's fair

(and I think Biden has already done just that)
How about you, Anita? Still planning on being a keynote for "Most Powerful Women?" Just asking if you're going to "acknowledge your role .."?

[DURHAM D]

9. No he has not. nt

[stopdiggin]

11. to your satisfaction (and that's fine)

To many .. he has. And continues to acknowledge "mistakes" in the past .. growth and understanding gained over the years .. just as Hillary did. But .. "not good enough" for some people. And with tragic results.

[Bradshaw3]

17. He obviously hasn't to Anita Hill

Isn't her opinion more important than yours, or others?

[LakeArenal]

21. We know we know. Anita is still pissed

It’s her prerogative.

Mine is, Joe isn’t to blame for what happened. Thomas is.

[Bradshaw3]

25. We know

Joe isn't to blame for his past conduct, statements, or even his recent statements, etc.

[LakeArenal]

27. You are putting words in people's mouths.

That is not what anyone is saying at all.

[Bradshaw3]

40. Really?

Look at some of the replies on here or any thread that dares to question Biden's past statements on any number of topics. Very, very few say anything like "maybe he should have responded in a different way" or "I hope he has learned from his past actions." Most are of the "boring" "meh" "I'm going to donate again" variety. Very little actual discussion of the substance of the criticisms.

[LakeArenal]

44. Geez. Moved on. Done with this thread

You insist on arguing a point with folks who disagree. Fine but I’m done. See you on the next Biden carp thread.

[Bradshaw3]

45. Thanks for proving my point

No words added on my part. You did it for me.

[LakeArenal]

48. Haha haha. You have it all in your head.

Bye.

[redqueen]

30. Hate to butt in here, but he chaired the hearings, did he not?

He made the call not to allow other witnesses who would have bolstered Anita's case?

There may have been other issues as well...

[LakeArenal]

35. Those are not unilateral decisions by Joe.

As stated, he was chairman of a committee. To which he has already made statements regarding it. You just don’t accept that statement. Fine.

As it is fine for Anita.

She says she is moving on with reservations.

Fine some of us are moving on without reservation.

[redqueen]

49. I haven't seen any claim that someone else made that decision.

Most since then have put the blame for that decision squarely on Biden. He decided what questions to ask her, at least. So there is that.

But as you said - as far as he and some others are concerned, he has apologized. Apparently, according to Anita, he has not.

[DURHAM D]

111. It was absolutely 100% Biden's choice not to call

the other witnesses.

[jberryhill]

167. And it was absolutely 100% Biden's information...

...that the majority of senators wouldn't change their vote on Thomas no matter what those witnesses had to say.

The issue with Hill was not a failure to persuade anyone she was being truthful. The issue was a failure of 2/3 of senators at the time to give a shit.

And corroborating witnesses wouldn't change that.

As a lawyer, and one who has been a very successful and prodigious accumulator of wealth and prestige in that profession, Hill is perfectly aware that sometimes you don't get what you want, even if you are right. It happens.

But there is utterly nothing that Joe Biden is going to say or could say which is going to change the facts or the history. If it is a disqualifier for you, then golly gosh don't vote for Biden. I'm not voting for him and I know him much better than most here at DU, having spent considerable time with him in a small group setting (which, yes, included several hours of discourse on supreme court nominations) and through a family history of various political activities in Delaware.

He's addressed this before. It was deemed insufficient, as the "politically demanded apology" always is deemed insufficient. I believe it would be stupid for Biden to do it again.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

122. Yes, the refusal to allow corroborating witnesses to testify was on Joe.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

69. Yes, Anita is still pissed... as she has every right to be. #MeToo

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Pathwalker]

151. Me too??? Joe Biden did NOT sexually harass Anita Hill, CLARENCE

THOMAS did. You're acting like it was Joe who did it, and IMO this does Me Too a terrible disservice!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

153. Not at all... but even Joe admits Anita got a raw deal and was deserving of more support.

So #MeToo #IStandWithAnita

[redqueen]

154. You must not recall that Biden's questions were so bad

that it seemed like he was on Thomas's side

Yes, #MeToo is relevant here.

[Loki Liesmith]

88. Nope her opinion ain't more important than mine

She really means less than nothing to me.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

152. Wow!! Why so harsh?!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Autumn]

47. Out of curiosity. What does Anita Hill have to acknowledge?

stopdiggin

7. OK. That's fair

(and I think Biden has already done just that)
How about you, Anita? Still planning on being a keynote for "Most Powerful Women?" Just asking if you're going to "acknowledge your role .."?

[StarfishSaver]

125. "I'm sorry I wasn't able to do more" is not an apology

He should say something along the lines of "I could have done more to help you but didn't and for that, I'm sorry" or "I'm sorry I didn't do everything I could have done at the time."

But claiming he was powerless to protect her and be feels bad about that falls far short of being an apology.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

148. That's kinda how I see it.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

8. The wheels of justice turn slowly.

[cwydro]

10. He should have apologized right out of the gate.

This is going to hang around because he didn’t, and hasn’t.

[Bradshaw3]

19. Exactly n/t

[melman]

26. He never does

Just yesterday with the lynching thing it was ''I shouldn't have said that but..."

When you add a but it's not really an apology. And he always does that.

[cwydro]

84. I know, and I hate that because I really like him.

He was my preference when he declared, but too many things are adding up for me to continue to support him.

This Anita Hill thing is not going to go away until he addresses it. I mean, damn, if he did that months ago - boom - it’d be history by now.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

150. Don't get why Joe always does that, given the depth of his political experience.

He should know better and just sincerely apologize to get this behind him


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

99. That was my impression too... I think Joe made a political mistake on that one.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[gibraltar72]

12. I still have issues with what he did and didn't do.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. #MeToo

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[BannonsLiver]

14. Booooooring

[Skya Rhen]

16. I am sooooo over this. Won't work.

[Bradshaw3]

22. So you are telling her "Get over it"

Isn't that what the repugs have been telling accusers of Kavanaugh, rump, etc.?

Here is what she said on that topic: "I'm ready to move on, but I am also ready to hold Joe Biden accountable. Accountability means acknowledging your role in a problem and the harm it's caused. Acknowledging that you have culpability," Hill said.

Who cares if you are over it. She obviously feels his apology was of the non-apology variety, i.e. sorry if you were offended. It's up to him to make it right. What we have is another example of Joe just not getting it.

[LakeArenal]

24. No one is telling her to get over it.

She’s moving on.

So are we.

Edit to add: This is not another example of Joe not getting it. It’s a year or old more
carp that is trotted out. Again.

[Bradshaw3]

41. It's "trotted out" for good reasons

He is the one keeping it alive. By not getting it. Again and again.

[stopdiggin]

158. Or. Could be that Anita is keeping it alive. Again and again. (nt)

[Bradshaw3]

179. Could be she has very good reasons for talking about it

One is she knows more about what really happened and two is she's asked about it and gives her opinion, whether you like it or not.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

100. All fair points.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LakeArenal]

23. Next we hear the too old carp.

Then we’ll find someone offended again by a hug.

Then we’ll find some other decades old statement to parse every word to death.

It’s the same characters every time posting the same old canards.

And yet, Joe consistently leading.

Because he’s the most qualified candidate both nationally and globally.

[Demsrule86]

94. she has been milking it for years. And folks should go back an read some of her testimony...all I

will say.

[Mme. Defarge]

28. Yawn

😴

[BlueMississippi]

42. Me too -- yawns are contagious! nt

[Pathwalker]

51. Is she ready to admit she's a REPUBLICAN yet?

n/t

[tonedevil]

57. Fucking wow. /nt

[Skya Rhen]

61. Let's keep it classy.

[tonedevil]

63. Calling Anita Hill...

a Republican is the exact opposite of classy, but you do you.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

86. Unreal... Anita should be praised for her contribution to the Democratic cause.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NurseJackie]

59. Certain individuals appear to be intent on kneecapping our party's nominee... at all costs.

[dewsgirl]

55. Why now?

[empedocles]

60. What has Ms. Hill been up to all these years?

[ecstatic]

64. She should air any and all remaining grievances now.

I thought she had made peace with the situation earlier this year, but if not, by all means continue.

But if Biden becomes the nominee, I hope she is not going to allow herself to be used by the rightwing to sabotage our chances next fall. My empathy only goes so far.

[pamdb]

65. Anita Hill

You now Anita, you got a raw deal, no doubt, and we ended up with that stupid Clarence Thomas as
a result. But now, just the fuck up and don't keep bringing this up. It's pathetic.

[Kurt V.]

81. oh please don't. put yourself in her shoes for one second. there are better rebuttals than stfu

[Quixote1818]

183. Thank you for saying what I wanted to say. nt

[Aaron Pereira]

74. This could be a positive opportunity for Biden.

The Anita Hill issue isn't going to go away on it's own even though most people including myself think he's changed. Biden could make a public appearance with her and publicly apologize with Hill standing on stage with him. He has the ability to take action and put any remaining doubts to rest.

[calguy]

75. Anita Hill ready to help with trump's re-election

That's what she'd be doing by attacking Biden. Give me a break already. Why do we keep giving republicans ammunition to use against us? She doesn't sound ready to move on to me.

[EveHammond13]

77. yawn

[EveHammond13]

79. these posts have a significant backfire effect

[Demsrule86]

97. It makes them look desperate beating this dead horse again and again...a big who cares.

[Pathwalker]

87. Yet she seems unwilling to hold Clarence Thomas accountable.

To my knowledge, she has NEVER asked him to apologize, and HE was the one who sexually harassed her, NOT Joe Biden. Yet, she seems to try and make him the villain!!! Hmmm, how convenient....

[Demsrule86]

90. Is she still trying this shit...funny she never mentions the Republicans...who nominated

Thomas...she has been using this to get ahead for years....tried it once, but when desperate people flail around I guess.

[jberryhill]

108. Oral Roberts University faculty

99% of evangelical Christians support Trump. What do you expect?

[Demsrule86]

114. That makes me sick. You can't be a Christian and support Trump or even Republicans...everything they

stand for goes against the teachings of Christ.

[Demsrule86]

134. I was unaware she taught there...now your post makes sense...wow. Now I really don't

care what she thinks. She is not a Democrat I take it.

[jberryhill]

142. She left private practice to work in the Bush administration

You know, she specifically decided to work with Clarence Thomas.

Her issue with him was his behavior, not his political, religious or judicial views.

[Dream Girl]

101. Another $50 for Joe

Going to donate right now...

[EveHammond13]

104. +1

[Demsrule86]

135. Me too.

[IluvPitties]

105. The Anita Hill situation happened in 1991.

28 years ago. Voters 40 and under were either too little to care (me) or not even close to being born. Apart from that, I don't remember Ms. Hill making a lot of noise during Biden's VP years.

I wonder why.

[Doodley]

107. Who cares?

[still_one]

109. Like clockwork. Biden has some good polls, let's revisit this

[CountAllVotes]

112. Bring it on Anita Hill

I've been waiting on you and yeah, its about time!

[George II]

116. This again? "I'm ready to move on, but....."

[Dem4Life1102]

127. This is BS

I watched those hearings in 91. Biden did nothing wrong and treated Hill with respect. This is a hit job pure and simple.

[stonecutter357]

128. you seem very concerned !

[gulliver]

129. Anita Hill already said she will vote for Biden, so this topic is settled.

[emulatorloo]

133. Your OTT posts really aren't helping Senator Warren

I saw the hearings live and Joe Biden is def not the reason Thomas is on the Supreme Court.

I do respect and admire Anita Hill. Biden did apologize but she decided not to accept it. That is her prerogative. But I am not sure anything Biden will do will get her to accept his apology.

I am undecided. My top three are a Warren, Biden, and Mayor Pete.

I understand Warren had a bad night at the last debate. It is what it is and she will do better the next time.

But OTT hyperbolic attacks on her rivals aren’t warranted. She’s a tough candidate and this stuff is not helping her.

Have a nice night.

[kcr]

157. Like all the gross posts smearing Anita Hill by some Biden supporters

in this thread will be great for Biden

[herding cats]

159. Some people suck.

It's a simple fact, some people are just jerks who think of their candidate in a weird sports fan type fashion. I see it all over the internet but rarely run into it in person. Face to face amongst other Dems we're usually polite at meetups. No matter the fact we currently support various candidates.

I, personally, hate the way internet warriors rile people up for their own vengeance. It's says much about them and who they are at their core. It also can end up destroying their potential candidates chances. I never condone such actions. Some people are shallow and associate followers with the politician, which is silly. Yet, it happens.

Politics are not sports. In the end we're all more alike here than we are different and I despise people going tribal within the party. That's a recipe for defeat, no matter who does it or who they support (read: GE 2016) We can disagree like adults without carrying water for the Republicans.

Edit to add. I'm a Biden supporter empathizing with a Warren supporter. We're more alike than we are different.

[herding cats]

184. You're charming.

That's what you got from my words? I was speaking about the unwarranted anger running about the internet and trying to express empathy to the poster while stating it's an issue mostly among anonymous posters but not as much in reality on the streets. I guess that nuance was missed.

Peace to you.

[Bradshaw3]

185. I went back and re-read it and apologize

I orginally thought you were replying to two posts above. I read the post you did reply to and see what it is you were saying. Sorry for misunderstanding and my reply.

[herding cats]

186. It's all good.

We're fine! I edited to clarify my comments JIK I wasn't clear, too. The internet is fierce when it comes to context at times.

Again, peace to you.

[emulatorloo]

166. Agreed on attacks on Hill. This thread is flame-bait.

Warren, Biden, and Buttigieg are on my shortlist.

I’m sure you remember threads here from two or three volatile Warren supporters that insinuating Biden is a serial molester, a pedophile, a racist, brain damaged, etc. IMHO they are detracting from Warren rather than supporting her in her run

Maybe I have missed the Buttigieg and Biden supporters personally attacking Warren’s character and going scorched earth in that way.

At any rate I would like all of us to treat the candidates w respect. Less flame-bait, more discussion. I expect you and I agree on that

[Bradshaw3]

180. Wrong on several points

First my post was not to help Warren but for people to think about voting for someone based on their record. Vetting candidates is something done on here and Warren has been the subject of daily attacks on this forum, including from some of those positing here that this topic doesn't matter.

Secondly, Biden DID NOT apologize. Hill says he didn't and I take her word. You would too if she was talking about a repub.

Third and this is the most ridiculous charge you make, is this post had NOTHING to to diwht Warren's debate performance (which some pundits rated highly) so that s just a lame attempt on your part to question my motives. There is nothing hyperbolic abut this post, it is just her explaining qhwn asked how she feels about it. She certainly knows more about the situation than you do.

Try and practice what you preach.

[PhoenixDem]

144. who? n/t

[Blue_Tires]

162. Bit late in the game for that, isn't it??

[LanternWaste]

168. Well must be getting shallow, as we're now simply rebooting that which has been examined

the well must be getting shallow, as we're now simply rebooting that which has been examined on DU both in-depth and consistently.

But I get it... sometimes we have to pull whatever chum from the bucket is left, throw it at the wall in hope it sticks, and inform anyone pointing this out how dismissive must be of Ms. Hill.

Again.

[redqueen]

176. I sincerely don't get why some are getting so emotional about this.

It isn't going to persuade anyone here to vote for or against Joe in the primaries, is it?

The only reason to discuss it here is because it WILL be raised as an issue in the GE if he's our nominee. And yes, if so he'll likely be running against mr 'grab em by the pussy' so it SHOULDN'T even matter. That said, most of us are not new to this game and we know how this works. Especially with the media the way it is.

For me this is an academic discussion. I have my opinion, others have theirs. But there is absolutely no need for some of the nasty stuff going on.

No matter what Anita's politics are, or what personal decisions she's made, none of that makes what happened to her any less wrong. And none of it justified the actions taken by Biden. Dragging her through the mud in the context of this discussion is vile and inexcusable, full stop.

[Act_of_Reparation]

177. Fanboyism coupled with fear.

It's bad enough we treat public servants like rock stars and pro-athletes. The fact that this election is something of an existential crisis gives stakes to what I would otherwise dismiss as irritating behavior.

People think if Candidate X doesn't win the primary, Trump will win. People think any criticism of Candidate X will result in their loss. It's as unfair as it is ridiculous, as simply supporting Candidate X in the general is not a sufficient display of loyalty. One must also appear to be enthusiastic about Candidate X. If Candidate X loses in the general, for whatever reason, everyone who supported Candidates Y and Z will be at fault because they criticized Candidate X in the primary.

I mean, if this the way we're going to do things, why have a primary at all?

[Joe941]

178. Biden has been around for a while and isn't perfect, but who is?

Just another hit piece on Biden.