Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:03 PM Nov 2019

I am really warming up to a Biden-Warren ticket.

I think Joe can be a significant transitional President....leading us out of a very dark moment in US History. Repair of US relations will be tantamount and I think Biden can focus and quickly rebuild the bridges to our Allies that Trump has actively tried to destroy.

Sen. Warren brings gender balance to the ticket and should be given a huge domestic portfolio to work with Congress to get economic and social reform that we sorely need.

If, in 4 years, this ticket has proven successful, Joe can honorably retire and let Warren get a shot at the Presidency in 2024.

My big concern....is there enough chemistry between them to make this work?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
115 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I am really warming up to a Biden-Warren ticket. (Original Post) OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 OP
except warren is 70 years old right now SterlingPound Nov 2019 #1
Warren "reads" young. She could pass for 50 or 55...very energetic Dream Girl Nov 2019 #2
No. She looks like the older lady she is. Energetic and hyped-up as her delivery style is. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #17
She's younger than Biden by eight years, and looks it. n/t whathehell Nov 2019 #74
Not eight years. Well, he looks good to me. Not going to play the who is the youngest in the emmaverybo Nov 2019 #75
Closer than not -- He'll be 77 years old on the 20th of this month whathehell Nov 2019 #92
Omg. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #93
They both look their ages is the point. She looks good and he looks good, as the older man emmaverybo Nov 2019 #105
Wow🙄 we can do it Nov 2019 #98
Biden is 78 right now.. whathehell Nov 2019 #72
Biden is 76 soon to be Cha Nov 2019 #76
They don't need personal chemistry; they're professionals. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #3
Agreed Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #63
the chemistry is not good. Biden should choose abrams. Don't know who warren should pick yet Kurt V. Nov 2019 #4
How About Susan Rice for Biden's pick. 42bambi Nov 2019 #26
She mirror's Biden's Strengths. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #30
that instantly re-opens the Benghazi RW CT can of worms though Celerity Nov 2019 #45
IMO the Republicans aren't going to have a can opener in their drawer after November 3, 2020 WheelWalker Nov 2019 #51
I have been saying it will be Abrams for ages, from right after she was cheated out of the GA gov Celerity Nov 2019 #61
I Like Susan Rice Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #64
I think Warren would cost Biden in GE. Warren is also for what she calls "Economic Patriotism." Hoyt Nov 2019 #5
I agree she'd probably hurt him in the GE, though she might help Democratic turnout in states we're highplainsdem Nov 2019 #13
Economic Patriotism Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #66
Disagree. Economic Patriotism is treating foreign workers as scabs, and it guarantees perpetual Hoyt Nov 2019 #100
Younger running mate of color would be better: Stacy Abrams? Kamala Harris? nt IphengeniaBlumgarten Nov 2019 #6
I'd like to see Kamala Harris at the DOJ. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #11
Or the mayor of Atlanta, whose name escapes me at the moment. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #14
Keisha Bottoms? No. CurtEastPoint Nov 2019 #16
Indeed. He really does not need an elder white woman who is incompatible with his plans and emmaverybo Nov 2019 #18
They have been adversaries for years, so I don't see it. That clip of Warren as expert appearing hlthe2b Nov 2019 #7
Warren started sniping at Biden in print years before that hearing. Mother Jones article on that: highplainsdem Nov 2019 #12
She could comes off as bitter towards him. He deserves a loyal partner in the same mold as he was as emmaverybo Nov 2019 #19
Biden has been reticent about talking VP possibilities peggysue2 Nov 2019 #108
Yes, he stressed the kind of partnership you describe and a compatibility with his vision. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #110
+1 Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #99
So, maybe she does 4 years and passes the baton to....? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #8
I'd put money on a Biden Abrams ticket. OnDoutside Nov 2019 #9
Now that's a smart ticket mahina Nov 2019 #36
It makes sense in so many ways, plus Stacy's avoidance of OnDoutside Nov 2019 #78
I don't think it is effective to put such divergent views on one ticket EveHammond13 Nov 2019 #10
Joe's value is understanding and conveying US interests. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #15
I would love that also. I'm all for this ticket if it will work. EveHammond13 Nov 2019 #48
Biden wanted Warren as VP for the 2016 campaign he wanted to blm Nov 2019 #20
I concur with your BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #87
Warren and Biden know it's just politics, so they can reconcile after the primary emulatorloo Nov 2019 #106
Wow. I never saw those posts. blm Nov 2019 #111
I remember you commenting on at least one, saying you were surprised it came from a Warren emulatorloo Nov 2019 #113
That one I remember. blm Nov 2019 #114
You got half of it right... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #21
Sorry, doesn't work for me. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #22
Biden should be Sec'y of State then he can focus on repairing int'l relations and the State Dept. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2019 #23
I say this as a Warren supporter.... Boomer Nov 2019 #24
You do know that selecting a VP is a negotiation, right? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #40
That's a very big "if" frankly Boomer Nov 2019 #94
This. eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #88
It Is Not A Bad Idea Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #25
That's my thinking as well. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #31
Hillary has almost always been BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #89
True Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Nov 2019 #104
Biden's speeches seemincoherent to me sagesnow Nov 2019 #27
Our allies won't have a problem understanding him. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #33
It would have to be a Warren-Biden ticket. milestogo Nov 2019 #28
No one ever signs up to be VP again after two terms in the job. Hekate Nov 2019 #52
That wouldn't happen BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #90
Then she should pick Mayor Pete. milestogo Nov 2019 #95
Let's us see whether she is BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #96
I would prefer Biden and Yang... chillfactor Nov 2019 #29
Definitely on board with Joe Biden for President. democratisphere Nov 2019 #32
That would be a shame. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #34
IF Biden and Warren are a 1-2 in the primary andym Nov 2019 #68
I think someone who is a bridge-builder eilen Nov 2019 #91
Too white mahina Nov 2019 #35
Interesting....cite? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #38
Black turnout is really important. mahina Nov 2019 #39
So...show me Warren's draw vs. Biden's wrt Black voters. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #41
Leave me alone mahina Nov 2019 #46
Maybe Biden-Harris? Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #70
I think she would be a fabulous VP and President in 8. mahina Nov 2019 #80
Amy Klobuchar is closer to Biden's temperament and style. No Vested Interest Nov 2019 #37
She does remind me of Joe in Temprement. Definitely a pragmatic, centrist Democrat. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #42
Down-to-earth style; hopefully, Midwestern swing states would follow. No Vested Interest Nov 2019 #55
I agree..Amy Klobuchar would be a much better pick. They are pretty much helpisontheway Nov 2019 #47
Klobuchar Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #65
Amy Klobuchar Is TOO Close To Biden's Temperament And Style Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #71
I really like Amy and thought she would be a good choice, but you are right! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #81
Rice over Duckworth exboyfil Nov 2019 #102
OMG! BluesRunTheGame Nov 2019 #43
Blah, blah, blah. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #44
"Non -kneejerk" answer. BluesRunTheGame Nov 2019 #53
Your Crystal Ball is as clear as mine....we shall see! OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #56
Aw you just haven't seen him in his aviators reving up the sports car. Warren puts me to emmaverybo Nov 2019 #77
And you said it best!! Those are your opinions...and that's all they are... opinions Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #82
It's really a "tell" when someone calls Biden an establishment politician protecting wealthy... Hekate Nov 2019 #49
First we beat Trump and take the Senate randr Nov 2019 #59
What a bunch of garble. MrsCoffee Nov 2019 #97
You make some good points, I think Hekate Nov 2019 #50
Would Joe accept the VP slot?? gibraltar72 Nov 2019 #54
No idea. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #60
Why should he? He'd just have to humor and coddle and mentor a candidate far less qualified emmaverybo Nov 2019 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #57
Two oldsters from the North East randr Nov 2019 #58
It Is Not The Age Of The Candidates Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #67
I like Biden-Klobuchar Mme. Defarge Nov 2019 #62
Biden-Klobuchar Progressive2020 Nov 2019 #69
Warren would be a turn-off for independent voters. No Vested Interest Nov 2019 #84
I'd love to see it, but their politics I fear, are too far apart. n/t. whathehell Nov 2019 #73
Agree... if ever there was an oil and water pair... this is it Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #83
Short answer: no. eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #85
That would never happen- Joe and his people are smart OKNancy Nov 2019 #86
I can say one thing MFM008 Nov 2019 #101
No need for chemistry pinkstarburst Nov 2019 #103
Nope. They are light-years apart in their ideas lettucebe Nov 2019 #107
Sander, Warren would be a more electable ticket imo. Joe941 Nov 2019 #112
Don't hold your breath, 'Joe Biden slams Warren as elitist' Baclava Nov 2019 #115
 

SterlingPound

(428 posts)
1. except warren is 70 years old right now
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:05 PM
Nov 2019

and it will be t he same old issue of being too old in 4 years

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
2. Warren "reads" young. She could pass for 50 or 55...very energetic
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:08 PM
Nov 2019

I can't see age being an issue for her

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
17. No. She looks like the older lady she is. Energetic and hyped-up as her delivery style is.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:24 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

whathehell

(29,063 posts)
74. She's younger than Biden by eight years, and looks it. n/t
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:51 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
75. Not eight years. Well, he looks good to me. Not going to play the who is the youngest in the
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:58 AM
Nov 2019

Septuagenarian crowd game. We all make extravagant claims I suppose about our candidates,
though us stodgy liberal-moderates seem less Starry-eyed to me than progressives. He inspires me more and is more qualified in my mind so her so-called relative youthfulness does not impress.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

whathehell

(29,063 posts)
92. Closer than not -- He'll be 77 years old on the 20th of this month
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:03 AM
Nov 2019

That's not an "extravagent claim", It's a fact.

Have a good one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
93. Omg.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:17 AM
Nov 2019

Whatever.

She looks like the “older lady that she is” but he looks good to you?

Are you kidding me?

Most ridiculous and sexist thing I’ve read in a while.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
105. They both look their ages is the point. She looks good and he looks good, as the older man
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:58 AM
Nov 2019

and woman they both are.

The implication that she doesn’t look like a Septuagenarian is what I responded to. She does—no shame in that. It is really no compliment to say older people look young as there is nothing wrong with their looking their age.

Aging is not an illness in either gender. It seems we tend to more often go on about women looking younger than they are. Maybe that was the sexist (And ageist) comment—no particular virtue in looking younger and no shame in looking one’s age either. Comparing two older people to each other as to how they look is ridiculous.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

whathehell

(29,063 posts)
72. Biden is 78 right now..
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:47 AM
Nov 2019

Eight years older than Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,100 posts)
76. Biden is 76 soon to be
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:58 AM
Nov 2019

77 November 20th.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
3. They don't need personal chemistry; they're professionals.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:09 PM
Nov 2019

Quite a lot of presidents haven't even liked their vice-presidents. I'd be fine with that ticket but the question some voters might have, though, is whether an older president shouldn't have a much younger vice-president. Choosing a young female running mate didn't help McCain any, but Palin was nuts and stupid, which negated any advantage her youth or gender might have offered.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
63. Agreed
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:24 AM
Nov 2019

Reagan and Bush One were rivals and did not particularly like each other, but joined up to unite their two bases. They held the White House for 12 years. The Dems need to do the same. The book "Team Of Rivals" shows how Lincoln brought his competitors into his Cabinet. One way to win is to join up with your rivals within your own Party. Biden/Warren might make some sense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
4. the chemistry is not good. Biden should choose abrams. Don't know who warren should pick yet
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:09 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

42bambi

(1,753 posts)
26. How About Susan Rice for Biden's pick.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:49 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
30. She mirror's Biden's Strengths.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:57 PM
Nov 2019

I think we need a full-time President of international relations doing damage control. Do we both Executive's with these skill sets? Rice at SecState....Yes! Warren on Domestic Policy makes a lotta sense to me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,278 posts)
45. that instantly re-opens the Benghazi RW CT can of worms though
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:38 PM
Nov 2019

Biden is very risk-adverse, so might be a bridge too far

but I think she would be a great VP!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WheelWalker

(8,955 posts)
51. IMO the Republicans aren't going to have a can opener in their drawer after November 3, 2020
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:01 PM
Nov 2019

I've been predicting Susan Rice will be his choice for months now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,278 posts)
61. I have been saying it will be Abrams for ages, from right after she was cheated out of the GA gov
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:32 PM
Nov 2019

the other 2 I would guess would be favourites (this assumes it is Biden at the top of the ticket, btw)

would be Harris (not sure, a she puts less states into sure play than Abrams)

and my dark horse for ages (even before Abrams, as he said no to running before Abrams)

Deval Patrick ....a huge favourite of Obama (he wanted him to run for POTUS in the past) a PoC, not subject to misogyny like the other 3 of our choices, and also very close to Biden in philosophical outlook and economics

Rice is a good guess, as long s Biden doesn't give a rat's arse about the Benghazi rot

and then, my choice for POTUS, Pete (again, not sure if risk-adverse Biden will roll the dice, unfortunately, due to homophobia, especially amongst my fellow PoC, although if any candidate can help him overcome that, it is Biden)

all 5 would be superb VP's

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
64. I Like Susan Rice
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:28 AM
Nov 2019

I like Susan Rice, but I think that she is too much an insider that is an unknown outside the Beltway and the Political Class. Sure, Democratic Political Junkies know who she is, but the Country at Large has no idea. We need to chose someone who is more visible- Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, etc. Someone already on the Media map...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. I think Warren would cost Biden in GE. Warren is also for what she calls "Economic Patriotism."
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:09 PM
Nov 2019

That is supposedly a nicer version of America First, anti-trade, etc.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,959 posts)
13. I agree she'd probably hurt him in the GE, though she might help Democratic turnout in states we're
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:20 PM
Nov 2019

guaranteed to win anyway, and increase the popular vote slightly there, though at risk of losing the electoral college.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
66. Economic Patriotism
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:50 AM
Nov 2019

That is part of what the Working Class people voted for in 2016 and why we got Trump. Out of work auto workers and people living in the Rust Belt WANT "Economic Patriotism". It might be bad policy, but it is a political winner in the Mid West and why Trump won...

No reason why we should not steal the issue back from Trump, who lied to all of those workers and gave the Billionaires tax cuts instead...Many of those people are smart enough to be angry at Trump, and might be looking for a Democrat that they can vote for...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
100. Disagree. Economic Patriotism is treating foreign workers as scabs, and it guarantees perpetual
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:32 AM
Nov 2019

wars and tension.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 
6. Younger running mate of color would be better: Stacy Abrams? Kamala Harris? nt
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:10 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
11. I'd like to see Kamala Harris at the DOJ.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:16 PM
Nov 2019

She knows all about the crimes of the Organized Crime Party and she would do the necessary to expose and prosecute.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,959 posts)
14. Or the mayor of Atlanta, whose name escapes me at the moment.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:21 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CurtEastPoint

(18,638 posts)
16. Keisha Bottoms? No.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:24 PM
Nov 2019

That position sadly creates an instant suckhole of ethics problems.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
18. Indeed. He really does not need an elder white woman who is incompatible with his plans and
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:26 PM
Nov 2019

personality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(102,200 posts)
7. They have been adversaries for years, so I don't see it. That clip of Warren as expert appearing
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:11 PM
Nov 2019

before Congress probably was the start. I think they respect each other, but their policies are not aligned.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,959 posts)
12. Warren started sniping at Biden in print years before that hearing. Mother Jones article on that:
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:19 PM
Nov 2019
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/the-2020-race-could-revive-a-bitter-feud-between-joe-biden-and-elizabeth-warren/


Despite which Biden has always treated her well, IMO. And I believe that he did secure the votes needed to create CFPB. It needed a few Republican votes, two of which were senators he'd earlier talked into voting for the stimulus.

I'd prefer not to have them on the same ticket. Biden needs a younger running mate, and one who hasn't gone so far left and attacked him so much.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
19. She could comes off as bitter towards him. He deserves a loyal partner in the same mold as he was as
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:30 PM
Nov 2019

Obama’s VP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
108. Biden has been reticent about talking VP possibilities
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:59 PM
Nov 2019

But the one time he did speak to the subject he said he would want someone to be on the same page so they could work in a hand-in-glove manner, doubling the effectiveness of policy and approach. The way in which Joe Biden worked with President Obama, amplifying and working to realize Obama's policy decisions.

I just don't see Elizabeth Warren comfortable in a role where she'd need to take Biden's vision and run with it as her own. Could be wrong but I'd think it would be a very prickly relationship.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
110. Yes, he stressed the kind of partnership you describe and a compatibility with his vision.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:11 PM
Nov 2019

Just to see that cringe-worthy debate moment between the two of them when he said he helped her get the votes should be enough to illustrate why this odd couple would never, ever work.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
8. So, maybe she does 4 years and passes the baton to....?
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:12 PM
Nov 2019

Who might be a good fit, with this scenario in mind, in 2024? Warren-O'Rourke? Warren-Buttigieg? Warren-???

On edit: meant to respond to poster 6.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
9. I'd put money on a Biden Abrams ticket.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:13 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mahina

(17,638 posts)
36. Now that's a smart ticket
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:12 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
78. It makes sense in so many ways, plus Stacy's avoidance of
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:25 AM
Nov 2019

subsequent elections to concentrate on voter registration and turnout work, leaves her free to join Biden. She would be an excellent counterweight to the age issue, and would add that spark of vitality progressives would want from a ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
10. I don't think it is effective to put such divergent views on one ticket
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:14 PM
Nov 2019

if you are a fan of one - putting the other one on the same ticket cancels out your favorite's strengths, in my view

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
15. Joe's value is understanding and conveying US interests.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:21 PM
Nov 2019

He will stand up to Putin's plan to destabilize Europe and emerging economies in Africa and Asia. That's going to be a fulltime job. I'd love to see him hand domestic policies over to Warren and let her work with the House to deliver meaning domestic policy and reform.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
48. I would love that also. I'm all for this ticket if it will work.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:42 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

blm

(113,040 posts)
20. Biden wanted Warren as VP for the 2016 campaign he wanted to
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:31 PM
Nov 2019

run. We’ll see in a few months. I think many of his current supporters won’t be happy if he became the nominee and tapped her for VP since they have been increasing the targeting of Warren with smears the last few months.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
87. I concur with your
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:44 AM
Nov 2019

last sentence. And Biden supporters here might also pay heed to that.

Besides, if she is not the Dem candidate, Elizabeth Warren would serve us all much better either by remaining in the US Senate or, in the event of the Dem candidate's victory, a Cabinet post.

But I'm not sure that Biden, if he were President, would appoint her to his Cabinet.

There is some bitter history there and it is in part because of that history, where Elizabeth had the right of it, IMO, that I support her over him now.

*****
I also have a LONG and still functioning memory. Joe has, after all, thrown his hat into the Presidential primaries three times: 1988, 2008 and 2020.

there are lots of reasons why his 1988 and 2008 campaigns foundered - not simply because other candidates were stronger - and you can bet that the GOP will resurrect every single possible smear and TP from those as well as adding new ones for the GE. We've also yet to see how the primaries will ultimately play out for 2020.

Yes, Biden is leading most polls right now. But he's not really breaking out while Warren is slowly but steadily trending upwards, even among some of Biden's core voter groups.

Despite the efforts of some (even Dems, sorry to say, whose newest TP seems to be that she hasn't been a lifelong Dem), Warren doesn't have anywhere near the same political baggage that Biden does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(44,109 posts)
106. Warren and Biden know it's just politics, so they can reconcile after the primary
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:38 PM
Nov 2019

I would also note that a handful of Warren supporters have been more than happy to smear and go scorched earth on Biden by insinuating he’s brain damaged, a serial molester, a racist, and so on.

But like I say Biden and Warren could easily work together, just as Obama and Clinton built a strong working relationship.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

blm

(113,040 posts)
111. Wow. I never saw those posts.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:18 PM
Nov 2019

What a shame.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(44,109 posts)
113. I remember you commenting on at least one, saying you were surprised it came from a Warren
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 01:19 PM
Nov 2019

supporter, as it was counter to what the Warren campaign was saying/doing.

Things move so fast around here, very hard to remember every thread we read.

I am deciding between Warren Biden Buttigieg FWIW. So I am very interested about what gets said about those candidates.

Appreciate the reply as always.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

blm

(113,040 posts)
114. That one I remember.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 06:13 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
21. You got half of it right...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:34 PM
Nov 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
22. Sorry, doesn't work for me.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:45 PM
Nov 2019

I want a President that will restore our stratgic interests in Europe and SE Asia. Bernie is all about the US economy...and I prefer Sen. Warren in focusing on domestic economic policies. Bernie ain't built for international relations...he's all about the domestic policies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,831 posts)
23. Biden should be Sec'y of State then he can focus on repairing int'l relations and the State Dept.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:52 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
24. I say this as a Warren supporter....
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:45 PM
Nov 2019

NOT a good combination. I'd rather keep Warren as an effective senator than see her muzzled as Biden's VP. Their views are too divergent and in deference to the office, she would be expected to support Biden's positions. If she's not the president, I'd rather see her as a Congressional voice that speaks truth to the president. Most especially if that president is Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
40. You do know that selecting a VP is a negotiation, right?
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:22 PM
Nov 2019

I believe that to make a Biden/ Warren ticket to work, there has to be a clear delineation on each person's priorities. Biden has to focus on exterior US interests and the next VP has to have clear control over the direction of US domestic/economic policies.

If Biden-Warren could reach a deal with these "must haves" on both parties...it could work awesomely.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
94. That's a very big "if" frankly
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:22 AM
Nov 2019

IF they reached a deal... but I just can't see it. They are at polar opposite ends of the party, with very different views, especially on the role of government to regulate finance.

It would be a fragile alliance at best.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
25. It Is Not A Bad Idea
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:46 PM
Nov 2019

For this reason- the Democratic Party is divided between the Centrists (Hillary, Biden, etc.) and the Left Progressives (Sanders, Warren). The two wings need to be united. Naming Warren VP would mollify the Progressives in the Party, and would join them to the Centrists.

In the General election, Biden would get the White Working Class voters that we need to win the Midwest. Warren could bring in the Bernie supporters and the energy of the younger Progressives. This is especially true if Warren and the Progressives are promised some things- including Biden retiring after four years and letting Warren run for the Presidency next election cycle.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
31. That's my thinking as well.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:00 PM
Nov 2019

Biden has to focus outwardly....and there he can make a difference. But he needs to let go of domestic policy and allow others to contribute in very meaningful ways.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
89. Hillary has almost always been
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:50 AM
Nov 2019

to the left of Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
109. True
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:12 PM
Nov 2019

But she is still more Centrist than Warren or Sanders. It is a spectrum, not just one or another.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Progressive2020 (Reply #25)

 

sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
27. Biden's speeches seemincoherent to me
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:49 PM
Nov 2019

Does anyone else have trouble following his train of thought? Just heard him at the LnJ Dinner in Des Moines and he seemed to have trouble getting his speech out. He should have used a podium and a written speech like Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
33. Our allies won't have a problem understanding him.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:04 PM
Nov 2019

He is smart enough to know that he doesn't have all the answwrs....just like Obama. But they did know where to find the best advice.

Trump relies on his gut....and the Putin Loan Portfolio that helps him decide US foreign policy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
28. It would have to be a Warren-Biden ticket.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:52 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
52. No one ever signs up to be VP again after two terms in the job.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:01 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
90. That wouldn't happen
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:52 AM
Nov 2019

either. For many of the same reasons that the first wouldn't.

But also principally because, IMO, a good VP pick should be someone in the younger generation who would complement, yet still challenge, her ideas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
95. Then she should pick Mayor Pete.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:26 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
96. Let's us see whether she is
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:28 AM
Nov 2019

the Dem candidate ... and lthen et her choose.

She knows what she's doing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

chillfactor

(7,573 posts)
29. I would prefer Biden and Yang...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 09:53 PM
Nov 2019

or Biden and Buttigieg.....If a woman is essential on the ticket……..best woman Amy Klobuchar IMO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
32. Definitely on board with Joe Biden for President.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:01 PM
Nov 2019

I actually believe Joe Biden will not pick another one of the Democratic candidates as his running mate. We shall see.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
34. That would be a shame.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:08 PM
Nov 2019

Warren's seat is safe. She balances the ticket perfectly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

andym

(5,443 posts)
68. IF Biden and Warren are a 1-2 in the primary
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:03 AM
Nov 2019

Last edited Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:37 AM - Edit history (1)

And if Biden wins-- choosing Warren would a smart choice to shore up support on the more liberal side of the party. Moreover, Warren might do it because she knows her hero Teddy Roosevelt became President after being Vice President.

In fact, Teddy Roosevelt might never have become President if not for the tragedy that befell McKinley, because the GOP power brokers of that time thought he was too radical. They actually made him VP to get him out of the way in NY.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

eilen

(4,950 posts)
91. I think someone who is a bridge-builder
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 07:52 AM
Nov 2019

among the Senate and sensitive to the needs of both our urban and rural communities but are not calling for major revolution, but pragmatic sensible approaches to our problems and cleaning up the giant mess created by Trump et al -- I think Cory Booker would be a good choice and/or Amy Klobuchar is an incredibly hard worker and down to earth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
38. Interesting....cite?
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:14 PM
Nov 2019

'Cuz I think Biden/Warren will get pretty much all Democratic votes...except maybe the Gabbard / Only Sanders factions. Just like Nader begat Bush.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mahina

(17,638 posts)
39. Black turnout is really important.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:15 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
41. So...show me Warren's draw vs. Biden's wrt Black voters.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:27 PM
Nov 2019

Hint: She does not influence black voter intents nearly as well as Joe does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mahina

(17,638 posts)
46. Leave me alone
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:41 PM
Nov 2019

Oh there’s a button for that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
70. Maybe Biden-Harris?
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:14 AM
Nov 2019

I think Harris may be focusing on Iowa and South Carolina to make her stand. Word is she is pulling resources from New Hampshire, maybe to focus on the South? She is smart and tough, I will give her that... So, maybe Harris for VP?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mahina

(17,638 posts)
80. I think she would be a fabulous VP and President in 8.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:31 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

No Vested Interest

(5,165 posts)
37. Amy Klobuchar is closer to Biden's temperament and style.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:12 PM
Nov 2019

Amy K. has the amiable Midwest style that Biden may need.

She would not overwhelm the Biden style in the way Warren might.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
42. She does remind me of Joe in Temprement. Definitely a pragmatic, centrist Democrat.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:32 PM
Nov 2019

But, other than gender balance and a Biden approach to domestic policy, what does Amy offer?

Love to see her as Head of Department Homeland Security or. maybe Department of Human Services. (Are they both DHS?)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

No Vested Interest

(5,165 posts)
55. Down-to-earth style; hopefully, Midwestern swing states would follow.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:13 PM
Nov 2019

She says she has never lost an election.
I don't know her age, but younger than Biden & Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

helpisontheway

(5,007 posts)
47. I agree..Amy Klobuchar would be a much better pick. They are pretty much
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:42 PM
Nov 2019

on the same page on many issues. Meanwhile, Warren is off on some island with Bernie. Biden would not choose either one of them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
65. Klobuchar
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:44 AM
Nov 2019

Amy Klobuchar might be too Centrist for the ticket. I think the point is to have Biden bring in the Centrists and the White Working Class voters in the Rust Belt. Then we need someone to bring in the younger progressives. Warren would bring in the more Leftist Progressives/Sanders voters, and youth.

My point is that Klobuchar is just another younger version of Joe Biden. They are both pragmatic Centrists. We do not need a younger Joe Biden clone. We need to unite the Centrist and the Progressive wings of the Democratic Party on the same ticket. Balance the centrists and the progressives.

If Biden (centrist) is the nominee for President, we need to balance the ticket with a Progressive for VP. Warren (progressive) fits the bill. Klobuchar (centrist) is kind of a redundant choice, and is playing it far too safe. We need to appeal to centrist voters and also mobilize progressives to vote. Warren can do this. Klobuchar not so much.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
71. Amy Klobuchar Is TOO Close To Biden's Temperament And Style
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:18 AM
Nov 2019

Part of the point of the VP is to bring in voters that the Presidential Candidate might not bring in. Klobuchar and Biden are both pragmatic centrists. They are too much the same. They need to be different from one another. The ticket needs to be diverse, not a clone of each other.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,751 posts)
81. I really like Amy and thought she would be a good choice, but you are right!
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:31 AM
Nov 2019

I like Tammy Duckworth, she’d line up the military voters and vets

I really like Susan Rice, but I think she would be seen as an unknown...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
102. Rice over Duckworth
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:20 AM
Nov 2019

Abrams over either one of them if Biden is the nominee.

I would like to see how Abrams polls in the three battleground states. In fact if this is the plan, she should be spending time in all three of these states as part of her voter registration drive.

Democrats with military experience haven't seemed to bring out the military and vet vote recently. I am not sure about the reasons.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BluesRunTheGame

(1,613 posts)
43. OMG!
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:32 PM
Nov 2019

Like that’ll ever fucking happen!

The “job” of establishment politicians like Joe Biden, is to protect his wealthy corporate donors from anyone who’s interested in in improving things for the rest of us,

Biden will not choose anyone to the left of him. Biden will not choose anyone more exciting or interesting than him. Bet on it!

We’re talking NAFTA Joe. We’re talking credit card Joe.

Biden and the rest of the “establishment” Dems (and their corporate supporters) ,if they could, would bury Elizabeth, Bernie, and AOC in the deepest fucking hole they could dig.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
44. Blah, blah, blah.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:35 PM
Nov 2019

Thanks for posting!

On edit. Please read my OP again and then respond in a "non-kneejerk" reaction for your primary favorite. I kind of like EW over the long haul...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BluesRunTheGame

(1,613 posts)
53. "Non -kneejerk" answer.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:04 PM
Nov 2019

Biden will choose someone at least a decade younger than himself.

Biden will not choose someone to his left.

Biden will not choose someone more interesting or exciting than himself.

Biden is himself, not very interesting or exciting.

Biden has a long history of association with wealthy and powerful interests. (despite the folksy image he likes to project).

I base my opinions on my observations of the behavior of moderates in Democratic Party politics over the last few decades and of the record of Joe Biden over that same timeframe.

Thank you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
56. Your Crystal Ball is as clear as mine....we shall see!
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:14 PM
Nov 2019

But Biden/Warren grings 50% of Democrats together. I kind of like the ticket the way I laid it out. Sen. Warren has no creds on the International Stage and that is job#1 for the next POTUS> Sorry, Sen. Warren makes her case on domestic issues. Neither Bernie nor Elizabeth can fill Joe Biden's Presidential creds on the world stage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
77. Aw you just haven't seen him in his aviators reving up the sports car. Warren puts me to
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:20 AM
Nov 2019

sleep with the Econ lectures. Each to their own. His Iowa speech hit it outta the park. Found his Central American oped very interesting and his books too...Moved me in his speech on grief. I never tear up, when I hear her extole the virtues of M4All and cast down to perdition Wall St. banks.

Just me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,751 posts)
82. And you said it best!! Those are your opinions...and that's all they are... opinions
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:33 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
49. It's really a "tell" when someone calls Biden an establishment politician protecting wealthy...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:57 PM
Nov 2019

...corporate donors, BluesRunTheGame.

Rethink that, if you will.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

randr

(12,409 posts)
59. First we beat Trump and take the Senate
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:29 PM
Nov 2019

Then we can argue all we want about what we will do next.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
97. What a bunch of garble.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:29 AM
Nov 2019

This is why I can’t stand Bernie’s campaign.

Just a bunch of ten second sound bytes attacking Democrats and the party that get repeated by people who can do no better than stoop to childish name calling. Bernie has divided us in irreconcilable ways with his phony baloney fake revolution always gunning in the wrong direction.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
50. You make some good points, I think
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 10:59 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gibraltar72

(7,501 posts)
54. Would Joe accept the VP slot??
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:06 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OAITW r.2.0

(24,438 posts)
60. No idea.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:31 PM
Nov 2019

But there has to be a division of responsibilities...one looking inward, one looking outward.

If you think domestic policies trump internationsl, go Warren/Biden. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, though. We need a President with proven gravitas with our Allies. That is the #1 issue. Let Warren run our domestic agenda.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
79. Why should he? He'd just have to humor and coddle and mentor a candidate far less qualified
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:28 AM
Nov 2019

and experienced than he with a bad attitude to him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Original post)

 

randr

(12,409 posts)
58. Two oldsters from the North East
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:25 PM
Nov 2019

Is a losing ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
67. It Is Not The Age Of The Candidates
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:02 AM
Nov 2019

It is not the age of the candidates that matters; it is the age of the people who will vote for them. Joe leads with older, more centrist Dems, whereas Warren appeals more to younger progressives. We need to combine the two factions together to provide a large Democratic voter turnout.

Joe will bring in the moderates, the centrists, and the independents. Warren will bring in the younger, more left, more progressive voters. Putting two centrists on the same ticket does not accomplish this. We need to appeal to both wings of the Party to win, I think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Progressive2020

(713 posts)
69. Biden-Klobuchar
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:08 AM
Nov 2019

Klobuchar is too much a centrist, pragmatic, moderate. She is too much like Joe. She and Joe appeal to the same kind of voters, and leave the progressives without someone to vote for.

Biden's VP should be someone who can appeal to voters that he otherwise might not get. Warren is perfect for this, as she appeals mainly to the younger, more left, more progressive wing of the Party.

Klobuchar does not bring in anyone that Joe would not get anyway. We need to diversify the ticket, not place two pragmatic centrists on it. They are too much the same to each other.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

No Vested Interest

(5,165 posts)
84. Warren would be a turn-off for independent voters.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:08 AM
Nov 2019

I personally like Warren, but not as a Democratic presidential candidate.
To Dems, particularly those as committed as DUers, Warren is perfectly acceptable.
I believe she would be too easily labeled a socialist, particularly with Medicare for All plan.
(I consider Medicare for All a long-range goal, not a near-term possibility.)

A President and Vice President have to be simpatico - as Obama and Biden were.
Trying to make the Dem. ticket diverse, thinking it will pull in diverse voters, does not work.
People don't really seriously consider the V.P. choice when voting.
A good V.P. is more of a bonus than a necessity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

whathehell

(29,063 posts)
73. I'd love to see it, but their politics I fear, are too far apart. n/t.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:48 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,751 posts)
83. Agree... if ever there was an oil and water pair... this is it
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:35 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
86. That would never happen- Joe and his people are smart
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:43 AM
Nov 2019

Biden if the candidate will not pick someone who does not help in the electoral college. He will not pick someone who doesn't agree with him on his top policies. He will not pick someone over 70.

I do think he will pick a female and it will be someone from a state that will help in the Electoral college, or someone from a purple state.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
101. I can say one thing
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:35 AM
Nov 2019

Absolutely.
There will be a woman in the white house in some high capacity in 2021.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
103. No need for chemistry
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:45 AM
Nov 2019

They aren't getting married. They are professionals and if Biden gets the nomination and Warren is close behind him in delegates, IMHO, he would be foolish to pass her up in favor of a different VP pick.

Listening to the voters matters. When voters feel their vote doesn't count, or they feel disconnected from the ticket, it leads to low turnout.

Look at what happened in 2016. Sanders and Clinton were close. Lots of things happened in 2016 that were not Clinton's fault, and I won't go into, but IMHO, when Sanders did that well in the primary and had so much grassroots support, picking Kaine was a mistake and gained her nothing. It lost her the support of some on the progressive side of the party. It lost her the support of some who stayed home.

If Biden gets the nomination and is smart, he isn't going to pick someone just because he's "simpatico" with them or whatever he said in that interview. He's not going to pick another moderate. He's going to pick someone who will unite the ticket and give the best chance of getting the vote out. There are some people who are excited about the idea of Biden. But there is the other side of the party that is excited about a Warren/Sanders type candidate. We need to make sure those people still have a reason to get out and vote in the general.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lettucebe

(2,336 posts)
107. Nope. They are light-years apart in their ideas
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:54 PM
Nov 2019

Warren is not going to play second-fiddle to Biden. At least that's my thinking. Never know what might happen, but I'm going with a huge no.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
112. Sander, Warren would be a more electable ticket imo.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:11 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
115. Don't hold your breath, 'Joe Biden slams Warren as elitist'
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 06:46 PM
Nov 2019

(CNN)Joe Biden slammed Elizabeth Warren as out of touch after she accused him of running in the "wrong presidential primary," writing in a Medium post on Tuesday that such attacks are "condescending to the millions of Democrats who have a different view."

"It's representative of an elitism that working and middle class people do not share: 'We know best; you know nothing'. 'If you were only as smart as I am you would agree with me," Biden wrote.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/05/politics/biden-medium-post-warren-wrong-presidential-primary/index.html
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Democratic Primaries»I am really warming up to...