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Jose Garcia

(2,581 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:45 AM Nov 2019

Stacy Abrams and Andrew Gillum ran as progressives. Andy Beshear ran as a moderate.

Kentucky is much more conservative than either Florida or Georgia.

Keep these fact in mind when deciding who to support for the presidential nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Stacy Abrams and Andrew Gillum ran as progressives. Andy Beshear ran as a moderate. (Original Post) Jose Garcia Nov 2019 OP
Okay Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #2
Exactly! No doubt in my mind both *were* really elected. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2019 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #5
But the didn't. Beshear did. Jose Garcia Nov 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #23
Yupper! KPN Nov 2019 #30
Yup. And Biden was out in Virginia two days before campaigning for Democrats running still_one Nov 2019 #4
It had nothing to do with progressive vs moderate Submariner Nov 2019 #6
It was sanctioned voter fraud in Georgia! MyOwnPeace Nov 2019 #28
Exactly. KPN Nov 2019 #32
Turnout is Key to winning ritapria Nov 2019 #7
It's more about turnout than labels. KPN Nov 2019 #33
If there had not been hijinks with voter suppression, both Gillum and Abrams would have won. tblue37 Nov 2019 #8
But that doesn't fit the dogma. KPN Nov 2019 #34
I was thrilled when Bernie was out supporting Beshear. Especially when Nanjeanne Nov 2019 #9
Shouldn't spread the words of that right winger. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #22
Bernie never endorsed Beshear... Lexblues Nov 2019 #24
This also confirms our Primary elections in the midwest last year. Moderates won, progressives lost. George II Nov 2019 #10
No it doesn't. It confirms voter turnout wins. KPN Nov 2019 #35
It confirms both. The voters who turned out were by and large "moderates". George II Nov 2019 #39
Thanks for telling me who to support in the primary pecosbob Nov 2019 #11
K&R nt PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #12
Beshar had support from teh Bernie Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2019 #14
Beshar was no where to be found when Sanders came. He ran a local campaign...not national. Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #16
Bevin said this...but Beshar did not appear with Sanders...it was an attack by Bevin...nice try Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #17
Your tweet is from Bevin. NT TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #21
Think about this... sacto95834 Nov 2019 #15
They try do that every time he is on the ballot in WV Jose Garcia Nov 2019 #19
The Rs label every Democrat a liberal. What's your KPN Nov 2019 #36
That's exactly my point. sacto95834 Nov 2019 #40
Great point! Centrist_Dem Nov 2019 #18
I'm confident that Abrams won by at least the margin it looks like Beshear will win. NT TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #20
Yes elleng Nov 2019 #27
Yup. And likely Gillum did as well or would KPN Nov 2019 #37
You might be right. TidalWave46 Nov 2019 #41
KY is actually not as conservative as FL or GA Lexblues Nov 2019 #25
Abrams and Gillum had their races STOLEN EveHammond13 Nov 2019 #26
ABSOLUTELY! MyOwnPeace Nov 2019 #29
Yup. KPN Nov 2019 #38
It wasn't stolen from Bevin. Perhaps the GOP isn't afraid of progressives Jose Garcia Nov 2019 #31
 

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. Okay
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:46 AM
Nov 2019

I support Andrew Yang.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

 

50 Shades Of Blue

(9,906 posts)
3. Exactly! No doubt in my mind both *were* really elected.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:54 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #3)

 

Jose Garcia

(2,581 posts)
13. But the didn't. Beshear did.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 01:32 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #13)

 

still_one

(92,055 posts)
4. Yup. And Biden was out in Virginia two days before campaigning for Democrats running
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:55 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Submariner

(12,494 posts)
6. It had nothing to do with progressive vs moderate
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:09 AM
Nov 2019

In Georgia, it was all about a racist fucking cracker Attorney General manipulating the vote because he was in a position to steal the election.

In Florida, where medicare fraud crook and environment destroyer Red Tide Rick became senator, they rig the voting machines, like the one I had that flipped the vote to republican, to steal the election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MyOwnPeace

(16,909 posts)
28. It was sanctioned voter fraud in Georgia!
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:24 PM
Nov 2019
"In Georgia, it was all about a racist fucking cracker Attorney General manipulating the vote because he was in a position to steal the election."

Amazing, isn't it, that the Attorney General, who just happens to be running for Governor, allows thousands of voters to be swept from the right to vote. Oh, did I mention that a large majority of those voters were people who were from areas that had generally voted against the Attorney General's party?

And yet someone will complain that the Dems had failed in some way to win the position?

The failure is in allowing the theft of an office to take place (see: Presidential election - 2000; Presidential election - 2016).


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,633 posts)
32. Exactly.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:40 PM
Nov 2019

Tired of the lame old we can’t win ... with a progressive economic agenda. It’s BS and only results in never achieving progressive economic goals and falling further behind. But let’s go with the tried and true same old same old that got us here and doesn’t work because ... we’ll lose, I.e., we think we can’t, we think we can’t, we think we can’t.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
7. Turnout is Key to winning
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:12 AM
Nov 2019

High Turnout in KY : Win.... High Turnout in Va : Win......Pitiful Turnout in MS : Loss …...Poor Turnout in La : GOP Candidates receive 6% more vote than Gov John Bel Edwards (D ) in Round 1 ……...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

KPN

(15,633 posts)
33. It's more about turnout than labels.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:41 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

tblue37

(65,206 posts)
8. If there had not been hijinks with voter suppression, both Gillum and Abrams would have won.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:13 AM
Nov 2019

Undoubtedly other forms of cheating occurred, too, in both races.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,633 posts)
34. But that doesn't fit the dogma.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:42 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Nanjeanne

(4,915 posts)
9. I was thrilled when Bernie was out supporting Beshear. Especially when
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:16 AM
Nov 2019

Bevin as so upset about it. Take that Bevin!


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
22. Shouldn't spread the words of that right winger.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:42 PM
Nov 2019
Bernie Sanders campaigned in Kentucky Sunday. Where was Andy Beshear?

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin stood side-by-side with President Donald Trump Wednesday as he descended from Air Force One and later got a shout-out in the president’s speech. At U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ rally in Louisville Sunday, Attorney General Andy Beshear was nowhere to be found.

It is one of the sharpest contrasts in the campaign for governor. As Bevin has clung to the national Republican Party in attempts to boost his popularity ahead of November’s election, Beshear has distanced himself from national Democrats.

Sanders did not mention the Kentucky gubernatorial campaign — one of just three statewide elections this year — during his presidential campaign rally Sunday, turning his fire instead to U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who isn’t on the ballot until 2020.


https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article234315142.html
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Lexblues

(180 posts)
24. Bernie never endorsed Beshear...
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:12 PM
Nov 2019

Even worse, Bernie didn't even tell the crowd in Louisville to go vote and get rid of Bevin! Bernie acted like there wasn't even an election in KY.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
10. This also confirms our Primary elections in the midwest last year. Moderates won, progressives lost.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:18 AM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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KPN

(15,633 posts)
35. No it doesn't. It confirms voter turnout wins.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:44 PM
Nov 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
39. It confirms both. The voters who turned out were by and large "moderates".
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:53 PM
Nov 2019
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pecosbob

(7,531 posts)
11. Thanks for telling me who to support in the primary
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:27 AM
Nov 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,305 posts)
14. Beshar had support from teh Bernie
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 01:40 PM
Nov 2019

He couldn’t have won without it.



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Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
16. Beshar was no where to be found when Sanders came. He ran a local campaign...not national.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:05 PM
Nov 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
17. Bevin said this...but Beshar did not appear with Sanders...it was an attack by Bevin...nice try
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:08 PM
Nov 2019

though...we want majorities...we need to win red states and this is how you do it.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
21. Your tweet is from Bevin. NT
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:36 PM
Nov 2019
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sacto95834

(393 posts)
15. Think about this...
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 01:45 PM
Nov 2019

The Democrats can nominate Manchin and the Republicans will label him as a Liberal.

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Jose Garcia

(2,581 posts)
19. They try do that every time he is on the ballot in WV
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:34 PM
Nov 2019

It never works

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KPN

(15,633 posts)
36. The Rs label every Democrat a liberal. What's your
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:46 PM
Nov 2019

point?

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sacto95834

(393 posts)
40. That's exactly my point.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 05:24 PM
Nov 2019

My comments were in response to the OP. What's your?

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Centrist_Dem

(3 posts)
18. Great point!
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:31 PM
Nov 2019

Moderates will carry the field in 2020.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
20. I'm confident that Abrams won by at least the margin it looks like Beshear will win. NT
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 02:34 PM
Nov 2019
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KPN

(15,633 posts)
37. Yup. And likely Gillum did as well or would
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:48 PM
Nov 2019

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easily have w/o the active voter suppression.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
41. You might be right.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 06:08 PM
Nov 2019

But Gillum was not the candidate many proclaimed him to be.

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Lexblues

(180 posts)
25. KY is actually not as conservative as FL or GA
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:14 PM
Nov 2019

at the state level. We have had recent Dem governors and we were the last southern state to have a Dem controlled legislature.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
26. Abrams and Gillum had their races STOLEN
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:15 PM
Nov 2019
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MyOwnPeace

(16,909 posts)
29. ABSOLUTELY!
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:31 PM
Nov 2019

And too many people sat by and let it happen!

DEMS need to be strong and fight. We cannot let a single moment pass when we are being wronged - speak up, yell, scream, and show what is right!

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Jose Garcia

(2,581 posts)
31. It wasn't stolen from Bevin. Perhaps the GOP isn't afraid of progressives
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:36 PM
Nov 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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