Bernie is coming to San Francisco Sunday

[California_Republic]

The event is at Great Meadow Park at Fort Mason. Doors open at 11:00am and the event starts at 12:30pm.

[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the heads-up California_Republic.

[California_Republic]

2. Maybe we can see all the candidates like in New Hampshire

[Uncle Joe]

3. I believe so.

[c-rational]

4. Maybe he can show us his tax returns.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

6. Bernie has ALREADY shown you his 2014 tax returns... 2015-17 should be coming soon.

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[MrsCoffee]

10. It's 2019 already.

Some of us aren’t so easily pushed over. We know it doesn’t take five years to unearth and show your taxes.

It only begs the question what is he hiding. He of course could put an end to that speculation, but apparently he and his wife have been too busy to open a drawer for years.

Hold your candidate to higher standards.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. Yeah, yeah, yeah... what's Bernie hiding? I got it the first 500 times I heard that.

Here's an idea! Since Bernie just announced his 2020 candidacy - not 5 years ago, but barely more than 5 days ago - why don't we all be just a LITTLE patient and we'll soon find out what's in his recent tax returns... my guess is nothing very surprising or all that interesting.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[MrsCoffee]

12. We've been patient.

I expect more than broken promises and evasion. Higher standards.

[Agschmid]

14. 2/19/19 was 5 days ago? News to me.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/19/bernie-sanders-is-running-for-president-in-2020--here-is-his-platform.html

[NurseJackie]

16. No he hasn't. We want to see his FULL tax returns, not a "summary page".

Bernie has ALREADY shown you his 2014 tax returns...

2015-17 should be coming soon.

I think it's time to face facts... He and Jane have NO INTENTION of releasing them. If they were going to release ten years of their FULL tax returns, they would have done so already.

Jane and he want us to imagine that they're searching through unmarked shoeboxes of paperwork stored in their attic... only... this is not 1968. Neither he nor Jane are the technological Luddites that they're pretending to be.

There is NO "tweaking" or "adjusting" or "finalizing" or polishing that needs to be done. Fact of the matter is... if those tax returns were good enough for the IRS, then they are good enough to present to the American people.

Where are the TAX RETURNS? What are he and Jane afraid of letting us see? The American people deserve to know where their money comes from, whether taxes were paid properly and promptly, where it's being saved (domestic or offshore), and where/how it's being invested. Yet all we hear is excuse after excuse and delay upon delay. It looks fishy.

He and Jane are hiding something. They will NEVER release their full tax returns.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. LOL... this has been debunked several times and you know this.

Links to Bernie's entire 7-page tax return for 2014 have been posted here NUMEROUS times, along with references to articles reporting on it. So, in the face of that, your repeated blind statements that "What's He Hiding" Bernie only submitted a "summary page" is absolutely 100% wrong, wrong, wrong... your apparent refusal to look at it doesn't make that blind statement so. Why can't you just admit you were wrong and move on to something else?

Nice try though!! Feel free to laugh it up and keep saying it over and over and over again... go ahead, I actually LIKE that you do when the truth is so apparent and easily accessible.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

20. Let's go through this one more time. After repeated promises to release...

...his 2015 income tax return (Jane is on video twice stating this), he released the two-page Form 1040 for 2014, the year before the promised return. After getting lots of push back and criticism, he reluctantly released the additional five pages a few weeks later. Yes, he did release the "full" tax return, but tried to get away with only releasing the first two pages, and it wasn't the return that was promised.

That 2015 return that was promised has never been released.

So there you go. Now, to quote you:

"Nice try though!! Feel free to laugh it up and keep saying it over and over and over again... go ahead, I actually LIKE that you do when the truth is so apparent and easily accessible."

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. Let's go through this again... stay focused and don't try to change the subject...

I stated that Bernie disclosed his 2014 tax returns. Another poster responded by saying, no, Bernie only submitted a "summary page" of his 2014 tax return, a factually incorrect claim that has been debunked numerous times on DU, a wrong assertion you also have made several times.

Your attempt to change the subject - understandably so! - when you knew before, absolutely, FOR A FACT that Bernie submitted a complete, 7-page tax return for 2014, yet stated it was just a "summary page," is amusing, but not a good look. Just admit you were wrong when you made that factually incorrect statement. (Nice spin, finally acknowledging that fact... but, still criticize it because it was only LATER!!)

Go ahead, say it... "yes, I was wrong before, and I apologize to Bernie and his supporters... he did submit a completed 2014 tax return when I said he did not, not just a 'summary page' as I had previously and incorrectly asserted." It's really not that hard!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

22. The only apology should be from Sanders or, better yet, Jane, who failed to live up to...

...her promise of releasing their 2015 income tax return. In a few weeks those promises will be THREE years ago! You keep trying to cloud the issue by going on about his two-stage release (first two pages, then five more pages when he couldn't get away with just the two-pager) of the tax return of a year prior to the promised return.

That's like promising to feed someone lunch and then serving breakfast instead.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. That's right, try to change the subject again...you made a mistake in the past, just like the person

I was responding to, before you jumped in... it's REALLY okay George, we ALL make mistakes. Nothing to be ashamed of.

What's amusing is that you can't ADMIT your past mistakes on this subject and help to correct others who now are continuing to make the same one you did, rather than CHANGE the subject. Why can't you just be fair to Bernie in this ONE instance? (Not that I really care.)

But, go ahead, do it again... change the subject... Maybe someone else is interested in what you have to say and would care to respond.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

29. No, no, and no again. He and Jane said that they would do something, and you're rationalizing...

....his lack of doing that by saying he did something else. And now three years later he still hasn't done it and we're hearing excuses as to why that hasn't happened.

Once again, slowly, to paraphrase them, "We'll release our 2015 income tax return at the end of the month (April)". Instead we got a two-phase release of the 2014 return, and NO 2015 tax return.

Anyone know the reason for that? In fact, not only didn't he fulfill that repeated promise, he never even submitted his FEC personal financial disclosure that all candidates are required to submit. Instead he filed for two extensions, and when the third deadline arrived he simply said "I'm no longer a candidate, I don't have to now."

For someone with "boring" finances, he sure goes to great lengths to not reveal them to the American people like all other candidates going back decades, except of course donald trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

34. No, no, no...you're STILL not admitting to the past mistakes you made claiming that Bernie

has only submitted a "summary page" of his 2014 tax return, like the poster I initially responded to, when in fact, he submitted his full 2014 tax return. You're trying to CHANGE the subject, AGAIN, while somewhat amusing, does not erase that fact, nor does it interest me... but, perhaps it will others.

Any takers?


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

37. You are ignoring what George said in this thread.

And trying to change the topic to something that they didn't say.... because you can't attack what George for being wrong about what he just said to you.

Can you link to where George said that Sanders never released his 2014 taxes?

Perhaps you are so upset that you are confusing George with Jackie?

[George II]

38. Why would I admit to something that never happened? Why are you ducking the fact....

....that the promised 2015 tax return was never released?

Here's one instance where Jane promised to release the 2015 return "when they're due", which was April that year. Still waiting.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. The only one ducking is you...you made a mistake in the past, which is okay, but you won't admit it.

So, instead you keep trying, quite understandably, to duck the subject of tax year 2014.

2014, 2014... keep reminding yourself... I was discussing 2014. If you want to talk about 2015 and beyond, feel free to do so with someone else... I really don't mind.

If, however, you want to stay on topic regarding some here who keep incorrectly stating - as you have done in the past - that Bernie has not released his full 2014 tax return and why that is ... have a go!!

Otherwise, keep ducking... quack, quack!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

33. Actually, George said that he released them.

"Changing the subject" - you keep on using that phrase.

I don't think it means what you think it does.

It sounds more like you desperately ignoring anything anyone says, so you can simply keep on saying you are right about them being wrong about something that they hadn't even said - but you claim they did and are changing the subject now...

Another example of this type of attacking a strawman is the response "SEE? NO COLLUSION!!!" every time someone points out something about an individual that has nothing to do with an accusation of collusion.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Not what he said in the past... and what the poster I was responding to, and others, KEEP saying.

You're being an avid reader of this board ehrnst, I know that you know that I know that you know this.

So, why do you think it is that some people here still continue to refuse to admit the truth that Bernie submitted a full copy of his 2014 tax returns?

That's more of a rhetorical question, as I know the answer... I'm pretty sure you and George do to.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

40. I never said in the past that he didn't release his 2014 return. What I've consistently said..

..is that he FIRST released just two pages, and when he was roundly criticized for not releasing the entire return he reluctantly released the additional five pages a few weeks later.

And unfortunately that "released 2014 tax return" only rears it's head when the subject of the 2015 and beyond tax returns comes up, "he did release his tax returns"!

[ehrnst]

46. You mean... You NEVER changed the subject???

You NEVER said that Sanders failed to release his full 2014 tax returns?

[George II]

47. Nope. I've been consistent now for years, it was a two-stage release, and skipped the promised year.

[ehrnst]

50. You mean... You NEVER changed the subject???

You didn't claim that Sanders failed to release his full 2014 tax returns?

How can that be???

[ehrnst]

43. Isn't that changing the subject?

And attacking a straw man?

You are resonding to George and I, and continuing the rant at us for saying exactly the opposite of what we have actually said, because some people" are saying it, there is a demand for validation that it's "the subject" when actually, it's not what we said..

You even attacked me for not only supporting your claim with dates, even adding additional information concerning the full returns.

"Thank you," would be the appropriate response, not a demand that I apologize for anyone who didn't agree with you, and accusation (subject change, anyone?) that I was trying to create more smears by relaying the facts concerning charitable donations as per the WAPO update.

So why do you think that you continue refuse to admit that the people you are ranting at are not "changing the subject" when they are actually agreeing with you? Because you must always disagree with certain people on DU out of blind principle?

That sounds like someone so desperate to to be "the only voice of reason among those who lie" that they accuse others of 'changing the subject" when they aren't telling the lie that one wants to accuse them of.

straw man
/ˌstrô ˈman/
noun
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

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Or in some cases, when someone isn't arguing against one at all.

[ehrnst]

23. After it was published in WAPO out that despite his claim that he had released the full 2014 taxes

along with some "in the past" he had actually done neither, he then released just his 2014 full returns, minus the names of the charities to which he contributed.

[Update: On April 15, 2016, Sanders released his 2014 full federal tax return, showing the couple earned just over $200,000 and paid $8,350 in charitable contributions. However, Sanders has not released to which charities he contributed.]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie-sanderss-false-claim-that-he-has-released-his-full-federal-tax-returns/

Stay focused on the facts, and you'll be fine. And before you start, I didn't state that he didn't release them, so I'm not changing the subject, but adding context.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. Okay, now it's the CHARITIES Bernie's hiding... hahahaha, that's good!!

Anyway, the point remains, your changing the subject notwithstanding... claims that Bernie has only submitted a "summary page" of his 2014 tax returns is patently false. I'm sure, in the interest of fundamental fairness to Bernie, you'll correct the record on that each time you see that false claim being made against him... and I thank you for it!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

32. Nope, I didn't change the topic, I added to the facts concerning his returns.

And apparently you didn't bother to read my entire post prior to firing off a post that seems to be angry rather than thankful that I had more facts concerning his full 2014 return than you did.

Anyway, the point remains, your changing the subject notwithstanding... claims that Bernie has only submitted a "summary page" of his 2014 tax returns is patently false.

You are the only one saying Bernie's "hiding his charities." Strawman + topic change.

I didn't claim that he never submitted his 2014 returns, so it's you that's actually.. you.... frantically trying to change the subject in an effort to deflect from the additional fact concering his full returns that I supplied. That's a sad, sad strawman right there.

I'm sure, in the interest of fundamental fairness to me and anyone that didn't say he never submitted his 2014 return in full, you'll correct the record on that each time you see that false claim being made against us... and I thank you for it!!

[Ninsianna]

64. The truth is that he did no such thing. Yes. The lie being told on this is amusing

It has been debunked repeatedly, yet people keep lying that he releases something f other than a summary for a different year than promised.

[Cha]

18. "Soon" Jackie, Soon.. lol

Sanders Says He Will Release 10 Years of Tax Returns ‘Soon’

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-26/sanders-says-he-will-release-10-years-of-tax-returns-soon

Bernie Sanders's false claim that he has released his full federal tax ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie-sanderss-false-claim-that-he-has-released-his-full-federal-tax-returns/

[George II]

41. "The returns are in the mail"

[Cha]

42. Depends on what the meaning

of "soon" is.

[Ninsianna]

65. Where has Jane hidden them?

[ehrnst]

25. It will be interesting to see if he and Jane have filed jointly or separately since 2014.(nt)

[George II]

60. To be honest, I'm puzzled. Since he's been in Congress he alone has earned more than $3.5M....

...With Jane's income at Burlington College and $200K settlement, that would probably bring their income over the years to well over $4M.

Yet prior to his book deal a year or two ago he claimed in his Senate financial disclosure that his net worth was in the range of $350-800K (the form allows for large ranges)

Ten years worth of tax returns would clear up all the questions that don't surround other candidates.

Could it be that he doesn't want his supporters to see that he may have been in that dreaded 1% for some time now? Is that why his criticism a few years ago of "millionaires and billionaires" has now been truncated to just "billionaires"?

[ehrnst]

27. Soon. Didn't we hear that years ago? And I thought he said 10 years of taxes would be coming 'soon'

I'm no mathematician but wouldn't that be 2007- 17?

Has that changed?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Yes, soon. I'm willing to give Bernie a little time...

He only just announced his 2020 presidential run barely a month ago, on February 19th. Perhaps, Bernie wants to include the 2018 tax year with his other recent tax returns in one submission... so, I think a little patience is in order.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[NurseJackie]

35. If they've been submitted to the IRS then they are READY NOW to release to the public.

I think a little patience is in order.

If they've been submitted to the IRS then they are READY NOW to release to the public. No "patience" is needed.

He only just announced his 2020 presidential run barely a month ago, on February 19th.

Nobody believes this was a "spur of the moment decision"... he's known all along that he was going to run again. He's had ALL this tie to "find" his tax returns.

Perhaps, Bernie wants to include the 2018 tax year with his other recent tax returns in one submission...

Yeah. Keep repeating that. Nobody is buying it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. Really?! You've spoken to Bernie and Jane and know they've filed their recent tax returns??

For the 2018 tax year? I haven't filed yet... shame on me I guess!! How do you know they haven't also filed for an extension for the prior tax year.

I have ZERO doubt Bernie will comply and, yes, he probably wants to get all of his recent tax returns out in one fell swoop, rather than dribble them out one at a time. I trust Bernie to do the right thing, just like he always does... it would be nice if you could recognize that, maybe just this once.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NurseJackie]

45. That REALLY shows disrespect to the American voters.

For the 2018 tax year? I haven't filed yet... shame on me I guess!!

Okay. Sure.

How do you know they haven't also filed for an extension for the prior tax year.

I trust Bernie to do the right thing, just like he always does...

No he hasn't. This is a promise that's LONG overdue. He and Jane clearly have no intention of EVER releasing their full tax returns.

They're hiding something. Someone has made a conscious decision to keep them hidden. Someone has calculated that NOT releasing them (and dealing with the negative reactions from voters) is preferable to actually releasing them (and dealing with even MORE SERIOUS negative reactions from voters).

Someone has determined that keeping them secret is the "lesser of two evils" as far as the public's reaction will be.

it would be nice if you could recognize that, maybe just this once.

We're NEVER going to see those tax returns. He and his current wife, Jane, have been given PLENTY of chances to come through. We've been patient enough. We've given him the benefit of the doubt FAR TOO MANY times in the past.

The fact that he's delaying, delaying, delaying with excuse after excuse after excuse... that REALLY shows disrespect to the American voters. We deserve better than that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. Disrespect to the American voters for Bernie not to have released his 2018 tax returns yet?!

All you can say is "Okay. Sure."?? You can't be serious... you do know that 2018 tax returns are not due to be filed for weeks from now, not until April 15, 2019?! And many people do request extensions for filing those taxes... especially busy people like those who happen to be candidates running for President of the United States.

When Bernie's taxes are done, I'm confident that he will share them, as he should, together with his other recently filed tax returns in one submission, to everyone's complete satisfaction... maybe, even yours NurseJackie.

Until then, just try to be a LITTLE BIT more patient and give Bernie the benefit of the doubt, like you say you have in the past... I know he'll come through with flying colors, you'll see.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NurseJackie]

54. So many promises, so many years... promise after promise...delay after delay... excuse after excuse.

When Bernie's taxes are done, I'm confident that he will share them, as he should, together with his other recently filed tax returns in one submission, to everyone's complete satisfaction... maybe, even yours NurseJackie.

So many promises, so many years... promise after promise...delay after delay... excuse after excuse.

I know he'll come through with flying colors, you'll see.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. Laugh all you want now, but, when Bernie does come through with flying colors, as I predict...

you'll be one of the first who should feel compelled to admit you were wrong and to apologize to Bernie and his supporters for all the unnecessary ridicule.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NurseJackie]

61. He didn't come through before... why should this time be any different?

when Bernie does come through with flying colors

He didn't come through before... why should this time be any different? Promise after promise, delay upon delay, excuse after excuse.... nothing has changed.

This shows absolute contempt toward the American voters who deserve to know the truth.

admit you were wrong and to apologize to Bernie

He has no intention of releasing his full and complete tax returns. Zero.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Guess we'll soon find out.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[NurseJackie]

68. No we won't.

Guess we'll soon find out.

No we won't. Just empty promises. Delays and excuses.

They're hiding something and the American people deserve to know what it is. This is so disrespectful to all the candidates who have released their full tax returns, and it show outright contempt to the American people.

Someone on his campaign (Jane, perhaps?) has decided that the fallout and damage caused by never releasing the tax returns isn't as bad as what people would think if they DID release their full tax returns.

[George II]

56. I believe 2018 was an exception in that post. How about 2017, 2016, 2015, 2013...

...etc.?

Those have been completed and filed already. What's the point of putting off several years' returns waiting for something that isn't even due yet? That's just another excuse or delay tactic. He can do what others have done, post them on his campaign website and when the 2018 is completed simply add that.

I've said here on DU before that I looked for my income tax returns and was able to find 2002 and 2005 through 2017 in 2-3 minutes. They're not in a dusty old box up in the attic.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Nope, 2018 was included, not an exception, as part of the discussion of submitting an ENTIRE PACKAGE

of tax returns in one batch. I'm guessing that 2018, together with other recent tax years, should be ready soon. Just be patient... they're coming.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

59. I'm talking about post #35, saying the previous years' returns were filed with the IRS...

...of course that doesn't mean 2018. Those aren't due for four more weeks.

As for me, I'd be willing for now to settle on just the return that was promised, 2015.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. Oh okay, I see what you're saying... fair enough. And, here's what I'm sayin...

that Bernie is likely to release the 2015 return with the ones for 2016-2018, all at once, and it's just that 2018 probably isn't ready yet... but, if Bernie thought that the 2015 return, by itself, truly would be enough to satisfy, like you are saying, no doubt, he would get that one out faster.


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[George II]

67. What's wrong with 2015 through 2017, and then 2009 through 2013 now?

Kirsten Gillibrand has already released 2007-2017, even before announcing, not waiting for the 2018 return.
Elizabeth Warren has already released 2008-2017, even before announcing, not waiting for the 2018 return.

I don't think anyone is interested in just 2015, they (we) expected that one three years ago. It never happened. Was he holding off back then so he could release all of them this year?

Other candidates will be releasing theirs "soon", and before you compare them to Sanders, none of the others promised to do so three years ago.

Here's a good site that tracks all of the candidates' releases.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/2020-tax-returns-tracker/

[George II]

44. Both Kirsten Gillibrand (11 years) and Elizabeth Warren (10 years) released their tax returns....

....BEFORE they announced their presidential runs, and this is their first time around, not second. Sanders has had three years to address this question, which he knew was coming. And it's still "soon" more than a month after the long-planned second announcement.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Gillibrand/Warren should be commended for bein fine candidates & doin that, but that doesn't mean...

all of a sudden, that's the standard EVERY candidate needs to live by.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[George II]

49. Yeah, THAT'S it. That's why he never released the promised 2015 return, he was waiting....

....to complete his 2016, 2017, and 2018 returns! Maybe he should wait a few more years so he can release even more during his "2024 re-election campaign"????

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. Bernie's "2024 re-election campaign"... yes, that would be awesome!! Kinda has a nice ring to it!!

One has to believe, with what Bernie is likely to accomplish in his first term, that his re-election is all but guaranteed.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Ninsianna]

66. Sure, because he didn't run out the clock last time.

Alai, he had no.clue that he was running and is shocked that he would.be asked for this again! Who knew?

He wants to see how far he can get abusing "soon" again, and be taking in the $$$ in the mean time

[RandySF]

5. Is that spot big enough?

[msongs]

7. is he gonna wear some flowers in his hair? nt

[Uncle Joe]

8. San Francisco

[Raine]

9. He'll be in Los Angeles Saturday!

[Nanjeanne]

13. David Campos, SF DNC Chair is supporting Bernie so should help bring out good crowd

Link to tweet

?s=21

[bigtree]

15. he's gonna meet some gentle people there

...

[jrthin]

19. Tick tock...BS, we await your tax returns. nt

[awesomerwb1]

28. HoLd YoUr BrEaTh - NoT

They're probably being audited don't you know?

[George II]

30. I wonder if he'll go across the bay to Oakland?

[LongtimeAZDem]

52. I read that headline wrong