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Uncle Joe

(58,295 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:23 AM Dec 2019

Bernie Sanders Tops New California Poll--But You Wouldn't Have Known It By Reading This LA Times



Headline

While the Times changed its headline, it did not alter the body of the story, which doesn't mention Sanders until the third paragraph.

(snip)

"The person who gained ground is not allowed to be in the headline," Faiz Shakir, Sanders' campaign manager, tweeted in response to the Times original headline.

Despite Sanders' jump since September, the Times framed the survey solely around Warren and Biden's fall.

(snip)

The new survey, the Times noted, also found that Sanders is leading 2020 Democratic field in California "on three other attributes—being the candidate who would bring the right kind of change to Washington (28%), the one who comes closest to sharing voters' values (27%) and the candidate who best understands the problems of 'people like you' (28%)."

(snip)


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/05/bernie-sanders-tops-new-california-poll-you-wouldnt-have-known-it-reading-la-times

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Bernie Sanders Tops New California Poll--But You Wouldn't Have Known It By Reading This LA Times (Original Post) Uncle Joe Dec 2019 OP
Inasmuch as the article WAS in the LA Times, you WOULD know it by reading it. George II Dec 2019 #1
The headlines are what catch the eye with many people that don't purchase Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #3
Blame the media, question the polls, rinse, lather, repeat as necessary. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #2
Emerson wasn't drunk but... RobertDevereaux Dec 2019 #5
.... Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #7
Deep state! awesomerwb1 Dec 2019 #4
The LA Times poll looks like an outlier. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #6
Whether the LA Times poll is an outlier or not has nothing to do with how it Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #8
Not everything is a conspiracy. Looks like Bernie is doing great! emulatorloo Dec 2019 #9
Common Dreams BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #10
The 2 candidates pictured in the photo atop the online article ritapria Dec 2019 #11
Well to the LA Times credit at least they didn't cover it Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #16
Nothing like a nice California whine... brooklynite Dec 2019 #12
Here we go again. It's all a conspiracy to stop Sanders! honest.abe Dec 2019 #13
K n R ! Thanks for posting! JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #14
It's funny how are one point most DUers cared a lot about media fairness. redqueen Dec 2019 #15
Yep. Look at all the complaints about gaffe coverage and the candidate who just dropped out. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2019 #17
How is this unfair?? honest.abe Dec 2019 #18
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. Inasmuch as the article WAS in the LA Times, you WOULD know it by reading it.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:27 AM
Dec 2019
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Uncle Joe

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3. The headlines are what catch the eye with many people that don't purchase
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:29 AM
Dec 2019

the paper or read the content.

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LanternWaste

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2. Blame the media, question the polls, rinse, lather, repeat as necessary.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:29 AM
Dec 2019

'A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.'

Or maybe Ralph Emerson was just drunk when he wrote that.

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RobertDevereaux

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5. Emerson wasn't drunk but...
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:39 AM
Dec 2019

...he *was* preoccupied with asking himself the question, Where's Waldo? :^)

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Uncle Joe

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7. ....
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:42 AM
Dec 2019






Truth is the property of no individual but is the treasure of all men.

Ralph Waldo Emerson

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/ralph_waldo_emerson_122859

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awesomerwb1

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4. Deep state!
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:32 AM
Dec 2019

The Establishment! Insert conspiracy theory here __________________.

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TwilightZone

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6. The LA Times poll looks like an outlier.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:42 AM
Dec 2019

It's been out-of-whack for a couple of months now. It's rated B/C on 538.

The A-rated SurveyUSA poll has it

28% Biden
13% Warren
18% Sanders

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/california/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ca/california_democratic_primary-6879.html#polls

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Uncle Joe

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8. Whether the LA Times poll is an outlier or not has nothing to do with how it
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:44 AM
Dec 2019

was published/marketed as per the OP.

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emulatorloo

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9. Not everything is a conspiracy. Looks like Bernie is doing great!
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:46 AM
Dec 2019

If I were one of Senator Sanders top staff, I’d be touting his rise in the polls.

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ritapria

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11. The 2 candidates pictured in the photo atop the online article
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:50 AM
Dec 2019

are Biden and Warren ... No Sanders ...That's bizarre

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Uncle Joe

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16. Well to the LA Times credit at least they didn't cover it
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:00 PM
Dec 2019

as Bernie Plummets to First Place.



MSNBC Poll Finds 'Support For Bernie Sanders Has Plummeted 2 Points Up'

https://politics.theonion.com/msnbc-poll-finds-support-for-bernie-sanders-has-plummet-1839538968


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brooklynite

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12. Nothing like a nice California whine...
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:50 AM
Dec 2019
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honest.abe

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13. Here we go again. It's all a conspiracy to stop Sanders!
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:52 AM
Dec 2019
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JoeOtterbein

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14. K n R ! Thanks for posting!
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:54 AM
Dec 2019
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redqueen

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15. It's funny how are one point most DUers cared a lot about media fairness.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:59 AM
Dec 2019

Not sure when that changed.

Or maybe it only depends on who's being treated unfairly.

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Hassin Bin Sober

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17. Yep. Look at all the complaints about gaffe coverage and the candidate who just dropped out.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:03 PM
Dec 2019
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honest.abe

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18. How is this unfair??
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:05 PM
Dec 2019

The headline is "Warren and Biden lose ground, Sanders moves ahead in California’s shifting 2020 Democratic race"

If anything that's actually giving Sanders too much credit. He is not "ahead" if you take the MOE into consideration.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-05/democrats-2020-race-california-poll

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