Joe Biden Gets in Furious Argument With Man Challenging Him on Hunter, Ukraine: 'You're a Damn Liar!

[JoeOtterbein]

[link:https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-biden-gets-in-furious-argument-with-man-challenging-him-on-hunter-ukraine-youre-a-damn-liar/|

By Ken Meyer Dec 5th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Former Vice President Joe Biden went off in Iowa when a man confronted him about Ukraine during a town hall event.

As Biden spoke with voters in New Hampton, Iowa on Thursday, a man invoked President Donald Trump’s Ukraine scandal, but then shifted gears and brought up the ex-veep’s son, Hunter, and his former employment with the Ukrainian gas company Burisma.

“Trump has no backbone, we know that,” the man said. “But you, on the other hand, sent your son over there to get a job and work for a gas company that he had no experience with gas or nothing, in order to get access for the president. So you’re selling access to the president just like he was.”

“You’re a damn liar, man. That’s not true,” Biden interrupted. A campaign aide tried to grab the mic away from the man, but Biden told him to let the man go, and he continued to defend himself from the man telling him he’s too old to be president.

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[Miguelito Loveless]

1. Of course this will be played by the chatterati class

as "rude", "unseemly", "unpresidential" and even "unhinged".

Meanwhile, Trump's poo-flinging will be ignored.

[mr_lebowski]

4. I say, let them chatter ... this is actually what a great many people wanted to hear from Joe on

this subject, actually. (nt)

[radius777]

120. Agree, passion is good, it's how any normal

person would react to someone spreading lies about their family.

The last thing we need is to be like Dukakis, who was perceived as a wimp largely by giving academic answers to charged questions.

Pelosi's passion was good also today.

We need to directly take on the deplorables, just like Hillary said in 2016 - they only understand strength.

[Skya Rhen]

6. Nice try...

[awesomerwb1]

9. You forgot

DiSqUaLiFyInG!!!!!

[MineralMan]

12. Let them. They'll be vastly outnumbered by the "You tell 'em" class.

Calling a liar a liar isn't a sign of weakness, see?

[fleabiscuit]

51. Just have to say Joe grabbed the guy by his pussy. Good to to then. nt

[Kahuna7]

75. Good. I don't know where people got the impression that Biden is...

soft and a pushover. That is the furthest thing from the truth.

[Loki Liesmith]

2. good.

[awesomerwb1]

3. Was that one of your Bernie Bros

asking that loaded, dishonest question?

[MineralMan]

10. I doubt it. Wrong accusation, I think for it to be that.

More likely a Trumpeter.

[awesomerwb1]

20. Doubt it

I'm siding with my gut instinct. Both sides want to get a reaction. It's a set up game and a trumper would never criticize the cult leader.

[OKNancy]

59. when interviewed the rude man said he would vote Biden if he is the nominee

[Kahuna7]

82. I have to admit. I did wonder the same thing. And Joe can

spot the trolls a mile off. And has zero patience with them. Let's go Joe!

Link to tweet

[Cha]

87. Mahalo for your post, Kahuna!

[Kahuna7]

90. Hey Baby! How you doing?

[Cha]

118. ...

[vsrazdem]

88. The guy was a Warren supporter

[R B Garr]

122. +1, it looks like a very familiar tactic......nt

[Skya Rhen]

5. Good for Joe! Most of the reaction on Twitter is that Joe knows how to defend himself - I agree.

[mahina]

45. That's my read as well. Good job Joe.

[HerbChestnut]

7. Not a good look for either of those men.

Biden needs to learn how to confront hostile questions without insulting the questioner. This is becoming a pattern.

[MineralMan]

11. I disagree. Such a think doesn't hurt Biden one bit.

No Malarkey!

[BeyondGeography]

15. Nothing hurts Joe!

I wonder what would happen if Warren (or any woman candidate) lost her temper like that. Actually, I don’t wonder.

[MineralMan]

18. I don't know. Maybe she should try it.

Wouldn't bother me.

[fleur-de-lisa]

21. Umm, no. Women have to be twice as calm as men or we are labeled as "too emotional."

[MineralMan]

24. That's your judgment, really. Not mine.

I'm greatly in favor of women speaking their minds directly and pointedly when confronted by assholes.

[fleur-de-lisa]

29. It's not a judgement. It's life experience of virtually all women in professional roles.

[JoeOtterbein]

35. BAM! nt

[fleur-de-lisa]

48. Jeebus . . . why did I venture into the Democratic Primaries forum?

I almost never post or reply here. Now I remember why.

Back to The Lounge for me!

[stopdiggin]

96. Nancy Pelosi seems to be able to dish out a few sharp ones

And I'm all for it.

[MrsCoffee]

105. No it's a damn fact.

[BeyondGeography]

135. Daily Beast: A Female Candidate Would Never Be Allowed to Rage Like Joe Biden Did in Iowa

This lays it all out:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-bidens-rage-a-female-presidential-candidate-would-never-be-allowed-to-do-what-he-did-in-iowa

[sheshe2]

127. You are a smart man.

I read your posts all the time,

It is not a judgement, it is a fact. Women are held to a different standard than men. You may know that, yet others do not.

Fact.

[MineralMan]

134. I know it. I'm just not about accepting it.

Speaking one's mind plainly and even forcefully is a good thing. I admire people who do that, regardless of their gender.

Many people expect women to hold their tongues. I am not one of those people.

[JudyM]

128. You may not be 100% tuned in to the reality of how women are viewed and treated in the real world.

Despite your democratic inclinations.

[emulatorloo]

30. I would love to see Warren push back on anybody who told right wing lies like that guy did.

She’s a tough person, one of the many things I admire her.

[ritapria]

61. I don't wonder either

Women are not allowed to lose their temper

[BannonsLiver]

62. Their supporters would be swooning over it.

Positively over the moon with delight. That’s what would happen.

[Laurian]

13. Uh, no.

Maybe in the old days, but in today’s environment these planted contrarians can’t be placated.

There’s a difference between tough questions and outright insults.

[HerbChestnut]

23. How do you know he was planted?

Do you have any evidence? It's probably more likely he just gets his information from the news, which has been covering the Biden/Ukraine bull**** for months. Biden was even asked about it on the debate stage. If Biden is going to call anyone a liar in this situation it should be Trump and his cronies.

[emulatorloo]

37. All credible news outlets have found the "Biden Corruption" wingnut conspiracy is false.

The only outlet still promoting it is Fox. Hannity. Carlson. Etc.

That’s apparently where the guy is getting his ‘news’

[HerbChestnut]

38. Yeah, you're probably right.

Doesn't mean the guy was a plant...

[emulatorloo]

41. I didn't say he was.

[HerbChestnut]

44. Ah, sorry. Thought you were the other poster I responded to before.

[emulatorloo]

46. Trump won Chickasaw County by 58%, a fair amount of Republicans in that part of the state.

[HerbChestnut]

47. Different people have different perspectives.

That's part of what makes America great. Usually...

[emulatorloo]

50. Agreed. BTW that county is in Rep Steve King's district.

[BeyondGeography]

43. He was too stupid to be a plant

A real plant would have had his facts at least somewhat straight.

[emulatorloo]

49. Dunno sounds like he had his 'Hannity facts' straight. Don't think he was a plant either

That county is in Rep Steve King’s district btw.

[R B Garr]

123. Exactly. I watch the cable news all the time and they

don’t push this disrupter’s “news”.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

77. Simone sanders said he was a Warren supporter in the tweet I saw

[HerbChestnut]

80. That's fine. Supporters of all different candidates show up to events like these, especially in...

...early voting states. It's the job of the hosting candidate to persuade the voters in the room. It's a huge leap to call someone a plant just because they support a different candidate. That would imply the Warren campaign sent the guy there just to make Joe look bad. Highly unlikely.

[stopdiggin]

98. A "Warren supporter" that has bought in to the Ukraine BS?

Hmmm? Might not be a plant, but ... That kind of a question out of a Warren supporter? Can we maybe say stirring the pot?

Edited:
Actually -- totally calling BS on this guy being a Warren "supporter." Surrrre you are!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

103. Take it up with Joe Biden's own Press Secretary. She said it, not me.

Link to tweet

[crazytown]

109. And the supporter spouting RW lies

may not be lying about being a Warren supporter? He's a MAGAt.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. I actually appreciate it

Good for the goose, good for the gander. And he was right - it was a lie and the s.o.b. who asked it is a god damned liar.

It's about time we started punching bag. None of us are Michelle Obama - we - to include Biden don't have to go high.

[emulatorloo]

22. The guy was drunk on Fox News/Trump Lies and was attacking his family

Biden handled it just fine.

[LanternWaste]

28. Can you support your "pattern" allegation

with data? Or is too, simply another bumper-sticker?

[George II]

31. It was a GREAT look for Biden.....

Biden needs to learn how to confront hostile questions without insulting the questioner. This is becoming a pattern.

If he didn't answer like that people would be saying, as the questioner claimed, that Biden didn't have a "backbone".

So how is this becoming a "pattern"?

[Control-Z]

56. Are you kidding?

Joe is looking just fine here.

[HerbChestnut]

60. I'm not kidding.

It's not okay to call someone a liar because of the question they asked, as misinformed as it may be.

[BannonsLiver]

63. If your candidate did it you'd be swooning

I’m not sure who you are leaning towards but it sure as hell is not Biden based on your comments in the forum about him.

[HerbChestnut]

71. The candidates I support would not call some random voter a liar because they asked a question.

And no, I'm not supporting Biden in the primary.

[BannonsLiver]

73. Oh the man was simply there to "ask a question?"

Golly he sure had the Hannity-Tucker talking points down for someone who was there “just to ask a question.”

Like I said, you’d be over the moon.

[HerbChestnut]

76. Sorry, no.

[Control-Z]

70. Oh, sure.

[NoMoreRepugs]

78. When someone says u sent your son to Ukraine and its a

well known and documented falsehood that makes it a lie... person who says it as a statement versus a question becomes a LIAR. I would have asked the guy if he wanted to step outside. Democrats need fewer cupcakes and more asskickers like our Madam Speaker IMHO.

[HerbChestnut]

84. The guy was just repeating what he heard on the news.

The real liars here are Trump, his cronies, and media outlets that spew his bull****. Not everyone is savvy enough to know they're being fed garbage by FOX, talk radio, or whomever.

[Cha]

91. Your excusing the fox regurgitator

is not working.

[HerbChestnut]

94. I don't know where he gets his news from, but even if it is FOX...

...he, like most FOX viewers, BELIEVE what they're hearing. That doesn't make them liars, it makes them misinformed. Biden's anger should be directed at FOX, not some random voter.

[R B Garr]

132. The liar said he heard it on MSNBC.

He obviously knew enough to not implicate Fox, which makes him a liar. Enough of their lies.

[TidalWave46]

130. Why are you now completely making things up...

In order to justify this mans lies?

[phleshdef]

86. Yes it is. Especially if they are going after your family.

More people should be using the word "liar", in fact.

[Cha]

97. Damn good points!

[Happy Hoosier]

102. "misinformed" My professional back pockets.

He was spouting a lie, and asserted it as a truth. Dude got called exactly what he is.

[womanofthehills]

126. Agree - losing one's temper - not a good look

He is going to get questions like this and needs to have prepared answers. We don’t need to stoop to name calling.He Is being reactive, not in control.

[BlueTsunami2018]

74. What nonsense, call a liar a liar.

All that bullshit pussyfooting around makes us look weak. Call them out in no uncertain terms. The guy lied and Joe called him a liar, straight up.

[stopdiggin]

92. no. it is not.

Joe has not made a habit of calling questioners (or even hecklers) liars. And there is not a "pattern" of insulting people, in any context.

Pushing back against spurious (and disingenuous) statements is not "insulting." Or at least not in the minds of most -- as you'll find in reading on down the string.

[Happy Hoosier]

101. The dude lied. He is, in fact, a liar. NT

[treestar]

104. Bullshit!

If someone is out and out lying about you, it's fine to get mad!

[Kingofalldems]

112. And not a good try.

[Miles Archer]

115. Let me play devil's advocate here.

Let's assume you were running for president.

Let's say that the current holder of the office, along with his loyal lickspittle Republican henchmen, spent most of 2019 insulting you with falsehoods, nicknames, and more.

Then let's say you were confronted by this question today.

How would you...honestly...have handled it? Not looking for political correctness. Looking at how you would handle it after having had a corrupt bully chip away at you and your family for a year.

If your answer is the same as your post, I'll respect that. Speaking only for myself, I would handle it pretty much the same way VP Biden did.

[HerbChestnut]

116. If it were me personally, I would have tried to explain that what the guy heard on the news was...

...not true. Would it have persuaded him? Maybe maybe not, but it would have had a better chance than calling him a liar. Now don't get me wrong, the temptation to lash out at the guy would be there. It's just human nature to get defensive when faced with outlandish accusations. But if you're running for public office, particularly the Presidency, you have to show self restraint in the face of adversity and be the bigger person. That's where Biden failed.

[Miles Archer]

125. And that's where I'm different.

It might be because I'm Italian. We don't handle anyone coming after us well, and we especially don't handle anyone going after friends and family well.

I'll agree to disagree with you on this one. I'm in support of the way Biden handled it.

[hlthe2b]

8. Yet, Biden let the man speak and waived off the aid trying to grab the mic

So, whatever point a Biden critic attempts to make with this article seems to have backfired, IMO.

Of course, Biden is going to defend himself. There is absolutely NO evidence that Biden "SENT his son over there to get a job..."

[George II]

32. And if he DIDN'T defend himself he'd have been bashed for that! Such is the life of the frontrunner.

[Mike 03]

14. This won't hurt Biden.

He handled it beautifully, including allowing his attackers to speak. Remember when a reporter asked Dukakis a hypothetical question about his wife being raped and murdered and he gave an over-intellectual response? If he had handled it like this, it wouldn't have blown up into a big deal.

[George II]

17. Furious is a bit over the top - did you actually see the video?

Here's the rest of the interchange:

“I’ve been here a long time and I know more than most people, and I can get things done,” Biden said. “You want to check my shape? Let’s do push-ups together, man. Let’s do whatever you want to do. Let’s take an IQ test. Number one. Number two, no one has said my son has done anything wrong, and I did not on any occasion, and nobody has ever said it.”

“I didn’t say you did anything wrong,” the man said.

“You said I set up my son to work in an oil company. Isn’t that what you said?” Biden retorted. “Get your words straight, jack.”

The man eventually astonished the room by telling Biden “you don’t have any more backbone than Trump does.” The exchange ended with the man saying he won’t vote for Biden, to which, Biden said “Of course you’re not. You’re too old to vote for me.”

[fleur-de-lisa]

25. I'm sure the OP didn't mean to disparage Biden.

That's the actual title of the article, stupid as it is.

[George II]

34. Yeah, from mediaite, almost as bad as commondreams.

[JoeOtterbein]

111. Thanks George for kicking me as usual.

I don't know you from Adam, but I'm getting the feeling you are following me to make your day!

And that you are still on the fence on our candidate. Or at least claim to be?

[BannonsLiver]

64. Yeah the OP would never ever disparage Biden

[fleur-de-lisa]

66. I don't usually post in this forum, so I am willing to give him the benefit of doubt.

Now I remember why I don't post here. This is a war zone. I'm out!

[BannonsLiver]

69. Cool

But if you followed along more you’d know the OP disparages Biden on a daily basis.

[LuvLoogie]

42. Oh Man. That's awesome.

Bring the heat, Joe.

[sweetloukillbot]

55. I kinda love him for "Get your words straight, jack."

I'm under 50 and I love hearing that sort of talk.

[fleur-de-lisa]

19. Biden "sent" his son "over there to get a job?"

What a stupid-ass statement!

Hunter Biden is 49 years old.

Unlike the Trump spawn, I highly doubt Biden's son would sit around waiting for daddy to tell him what to do.

[Peacetrain]

26. The Kerry endorsement of Biden in Iowa, got the other side worked up a bit

good job Joe..

[Hekate]

27. You tell 'em, Joe! Don't hold back!

[LanternWaste]

33. Throwing what you can against the wall again to see if it sticks, eh?

Consistency.

Hobgoblins.

Little minds.

Arble-garble.

Derp.

[JoeOtterbein]

40. Actually, I don't like ageism against anyone.

Funny and odd, but kinda cool, when people who I don't even know follow me that closely!

Thanks for making my day bro!

[LanternWaste]

79. I'd pretend ageism is relevant too... had I nothing of substance.

Self-righteousness is not a good look for anyone.

Try again... better aim, better sticking value and better velocity may help.

Or just try sticking to the the relevant, and leave the weak-sauce alone.

But we know better, right? Next week, a brand new petulant criticism will be consistently thrown at the wall.




Consistency.

Hobgoblins.

Little minds.

[JoeOtterbein]

119. So why do think you know me so well?

I don't know you. Why do you care enough to waste precious time and energy? Did I hurt your feeling once?

[BannonsLiver]

65. It's so funny

Because the OP so clearly thought they had “something” here.

[JoeOtterbein]

110. Uh?

Why do you think that is funny? I honestly never thought I meant that much to people who I don't even know, to waste time attacking me.

It's odd in a way, but complimentary at the same time.

Thanks bro!

[BannonsLiver]

133. Sure I can explain

You thought you had a “gotcha” moment with Biden. It fell apart. That’s funny. Hope that helps.

[Cha]

129. And, there was no there there.

Link to tweet

[DeterDeter]

36. "Get your words straight, jack."

I liked it. The media is reaching.

[peggysue2]

39. Biden handled this just fine

He didn't shut him down but called the lie a lie and the man who said it a liar. That's what we all need to do--push back on the disinformation and propaganda that the Trumpsters feed on with such relish.

Keep banging the drum, Joe!

[The Valley Below]

52. Awesome Joe!!!

Bad-ass!

[Pantagruel]

53. I LOVE it

Joe still got some fire in his belly!!

[RelativelyJones]

54. Joe's reaction was genuine and authentic. That why people like him. That's why he's ahead.

[Bayard]

57. Let's do push ups together!

Love that!

An obvious plant.

[Alhena]

58. I thought Joe's reaction was great, he's more impressive to me these days

than he was a few months ago when it seemed he had a gaffe a day. This isn't a gaffe- just him being authentic when his integrity was questioned based on false info.

[LonePirate]

67. A better response from Joe would have been to say the man is peddling right wing propaganda and lies

He should have given some context for why the man was wrong instead of simply calling him a liar.

[BannonsLiver]

72. Nah. This was just right.

[MarcA]

81. Agreed. This was a question and answer session.

If the guy had just confronted Biden out of the blue ala joe the plummer
or started a tirade of profanities or obscenities that would be different.

[renate]

114. I absolutely agree

Maybe it's the past four years, but I don't like it when politicians act like that.

He could have said something about "did you hear that from Fox" or "let me tell you how that isn't true." But he just spouted off, as if he and his staff hadn't predicted that this question was going to be asked at some point.

I love Joe, I truly do, and always have. He's so damn *decent*. (And Jill is ) I would absolutely trust him to make the very best decisions on behalf of the American people, 24/7/365. But he could have handled this particular situation so much better.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

68. Good! Call out these fucking trolls for the liars they are!

[Polly Hennessey]

83. Good for Joe.

Trust me world leaders will not make fun of Joe. He actually has a spine. I bet Princess Anne will shake his hand and the Queen will smile.

[beachbumbob]

85. being on a board of directors doesn't mean crap

all those drinking the foxnews koolaid still are morons

[beachbumbob]

89. what Biden and other democrats need to is emphasize they DO NOT FEAR to be questioned by

others like trump does. Thats the first thing I would say when confront by one is why "his" guy is too cowardly to face the opposition

[muntrv]

93. Just retort with Ivanka and her trademarks since 2017.

[brooklynite]

95. UPDATE: followup encounter...

Link to tweet

[brooklynite]

99. UPDATE: Voter calls him 'senile' and says he should drop out of 2020 race

After the event, the man, who refused to give his name, told reporters after the confrontation that "[Biden] is so old, he’s senile anyhow" and encouraged Biden to drop out of the race. “It was all softball stuff, he don’t want to answer the hard stuff,” the voter added. “He’s been in the Congress all of his life, and all of these problems like high drug prices and all of that — where in the hell has he been for the last 50 years?”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/voter-attacked-by-biden-calls-him-senile-and-says-he-should-drop-out-of-2020-race

[Happy Hoosier]

100. Good!

Call 'em out Joe. Confront them directly!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

106. Joe Biden blasts Iowa voter, calls him 'fat' after man repeats Ukraine smear

POLITICS
‘You’re a damn liar, man!’ – Joe Biden blasts Iowa voter, calls him ‘fat’ after man repeats Ukraine smear
PUBLISHED THU, DEC 5 2019 2:38 PM EST UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

Dan Mangan
@_DANMANGAN

KEY POINTS
--Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden on Thursday calls a man in Iowa a “damn liar” and “fat” and “too old to vote for me” after the man accuses Biden of getting his son Hunter a job with a Ukrainian gas company.
--President Donald Trump is facing an impeachment inquiry for pressuring Ukraine to investigate Biden and his son while withholding military aid.
--Biden’s spokeswoman Symone Sanders later claims that Biden said, “Look, facts,” not “Look, fat,” referring to the man.
....

[IluvPitties]

107. Joe did great. Push back hard!

[crazytown]

108. A Warren supporter? And the liar might not be lying about whom he is supporting?

Gets to smear two Dems with one stone.

[Tiggeroshii]

113. Good on Joe for that!

He carried himself extraordinarily.

[myohmy2]

117. not good...

...IMO, Biden should have been much more diplomatic and saved that kind of exchange for a trump debate not for Joe-six-pack...

...like the man or not, he is representing the public as the public is viewing...he represents what some are thinking...he represents what some may feel is a fair question...and most of all, when you abuse Joe-six-pack you make him a sympathetic figure in an uneven fight...

...what many may feel they've witnessed was a former Vice President of the United States hammering a common citizen with a common question the former Vice President didn't like...

...if you love Joe, then you probably thought he did well...but think again, should Joe be the nominee...if you don't think the pukes won't manipulate and play parts of this a million times before the election you're fooling yourself...

...we all have a stake in keeping all our candidates electable.. .

[highplainsdem]

121. A "common question"? BS. That creep's question slandered Biden, his son, and Obama.

(After all, you can't sell access to a president without some cooperation from that president.)

Biden's response was perfect.

It was an outrageous question, and it deserved an outraged answer.

[MrsCoffee]

124. Diplomatic with the guy who went on to tell another voter there to "stick it up your ass, fella"?

Fuck that guy.

[TidalWave46]

131. .

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287370850