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JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:26 PM Dec 2019

Warren vs. Buttigieg feud creates an opening for Biden in Iowa

Politico

It's not unlike 2004, when John Kerry surged to a surprise win in the state as Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt did battle.

By MARC CAPUTO and NATASHA KORECKI

12/12/2019 05:39 PM EST

As Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buttigieg do battle ahead of the Iowa caucus, Joe Biden’s campaign is relishing the show.

It’s a familiar scenario to longtime Iowa watchers: two leading rivals going at it, creating an opening for a come-from-behind win in Iowa by the establishment candidate. In 2004, the last time Democrats sought to unseat a Republican incumbent, a nasty feud between Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt allowed John Kerry to surge to a surprise win in the state.

Now, Joe Biden hopes to repeat the feat, having just won the endorsement of his former Senate colleague, who joined him on the trail in Iowa last week.

“A big question now is, can Warren and Buttigieg avoid the Dean-Gephardt murder suicide pact?” said Steve Elmendorf, who advised Gephardt in 2004.

“There’s always a risk in any campaign, when two candidates go after each other and go after each other hard, it lets a third or fourth candidate rise because voters get sick of the attacks,” added Elmendorf, who favors Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind. “In 2004, it was a big back and forth between Dean and Gephardt, and Kerry rose from behind and just ran up the middle and surprised everyone.”

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Warren vs. Buttigieg feud creates an opening for Biden in Iowa (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 OP
I think that this is why we have a lengthy primary. One of these days the dust will clear and abqtommy Dec 2019 #1
There are two big differences. StevieM Dec 2019 #2
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #3
Boy that is superficial analysis judeling Dec 2019 #4
NO NOT, "of course".. it's "fed" from politico Cha Dec 2019 #6
"junk news" sounds exactly the same as the well known term;... JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #7
Junk news politico pushed this LYING BULLSHITl.. Cha Dec 2019 #8
I'd defend a discredited source too... if my sacred cows depended on it. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #10
The good news for Biden judeling Dec 2019 #9
It will all come down to Organization and Enthusiasm ritapria Dec 2019 #5
 

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
1. I think that this is why we have a lengthy primary. One of these days the dust will clear and
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:34 PM
Dec 2019

we'll have a candidate. At that time I'll no longer be Undecided! I'll vote for our nominee in the general,
never fear. So will my son, in case anyone wonders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
2. There are two big differences.
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 09:38 PM
Dec 2019

First, we are two months from the caucuses, whereas the Gephardt-Dean feud erupted in full-force right before the caucuses.

Second, as of now the Buttigieg-Warren feud has not gotten as bitter or damaging for either candidate as the Gephardt-Dean feud was for both candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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judeling

(1,086 posts)
4. Boy that is superficial analysis
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 10:55 PM
Dec 2019

of course fed from the Biden campaign. Which of course make sense because in reality they are scared about it happening now.

The most likely beneficiaries of a real Buttigieg/Warren throw down are Sanders and Klobuchar. That is the last thing the Biden campaign wants.
Even if it is only one poll the fact that Klobuchar is in double digits and on the rise is a direct threat to Biden as she is absolutely a viable alternative to his supporters and Bernie overtaking him in Iowa would really put the fox in the henhouse.

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Cha

(297,151 posts)
6. NO NOT, "of course".. it's "fed" from politico
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:23 PM
Dec 2019

junk news.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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JoeOtterbein

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7. "junk news" sounds exactly the same as the well known term;...
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:35 PM
Dec 2019

..."fake news".

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LanternWaste

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10. I'd defend a discredited source too... if my sacred cows depended on it.
Fri Dec 13, 2019, 10:36 AM
Dec 2019

I imagine you'll have a difference excuse, though.

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judeling

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9. The good news for Biden
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:49 PM
Dec 2019

part is of course coming from the Biden campaign.

They are just doing their job and trying to get a pre-spin on the story. I have no problem with that.
The superficial part was that the reporters didn't think at all.

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ritapria

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5. It will all come down to Organization and Enthusiasm
Thu Dec 12, 2019, 11:16 PM
Dec 2019

It will take plenty of both to get people to show up and spend hours of their time at a precinct site on a cold , wintry Monday night in early February ………..

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