Lets try this again...my moderate republican sources will vote for Biden

[imavoter]

A moderate republican friend wants to vote for Biden.
if it's Warren or Sanders she'll vote for Trump. 

She said "the only thing that would make me vote for Trump is if Warren or Sanders gets the nomination." 

She didn't vote for Commander of b******* the first time.

She thinks moderates will vote for Biden. And she's friends with a lot of conservatives that would do the same. 

I should say she's a large republican donor, knows Senators, Congressmen, yada yada type people. 
She has that kind of money and runs in those circles. 

I'm a middle class/working class Dem, of course. She and I used to live in the same neighborhood and met at the local breakfast joint that's old school when it's busy people sit together. 

Just thought I'd drop that here. I personally will vote for any warm body that would beat Trump. 

Who do you think can beat T-rump? 
I'm not really convinced that the American people have really learned any lessons here and 
will vote for him again. Granted, I know he didn't win the majority popular vote (I'm not talking in that context). 
I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I have a bad feeling about him winning again, and it makes me sick to my stomach. 

Post script: Ive been a precinct chair in Texas, attended party conventions, my mother met Chelsea Clinton, I volunteered for the Hillary Clinton campaigns, wrote letters to Hillary of support after she lost the election, have Bill Clinton's autograph, I'm a union member, my great-grandparents benefited from the rural electrification Act, written to Michael Burgess bagging him fruitlessly of course to support the ACA, protested George Bush regarding War, given whatever pittance I can give to thcounty party, I voted straight party Democratic since 2K, and I've been posting on democratic Underground since 2007, but my ex is here and I have to protect my internet persona because as nice as he seems on this form he's a complete douchebag and betrayed me terribly, some of you would remember me if you want to message me, but I have to come here very carefully to avoid interacting with my ex or him realizing it's me posting. Just because I'm not an a****** to people I don't agree with politically doesn't mean I'm a troll, one catches more flies with honey than vinegar, offended at being called The Troll, I believe in being nice the people no matter their politics.

Came to DFW for supporting in the other thread that got locked. I thought long and hard about whether this data to be in general discussion our primary so I reposted this here
I think I would prefer Biden to get the nomination, but I will vote for anyone that can win.

[dawg day]

1. Are there actual moderates in the R party?

ANYone who would vote for Trump over anyone has surrendered the title of moderate.

[Hortensis]

22. Yes. Most have left and are "right-leaning" indies, but for a

long time many have waited for this to pass and remain because they believe in (fill in blank). These days that's mostly containing what they see as the evils of the far left. Authors claiming Democrats have moved far left or radical are working for the Republicans to keep these people from bolting.

As for your comment, I often feel that way, but there's a difference between taking an extreme action and being extremist.

Those for instance who became True Believers in the massive lies about Democrats/DNC/Hillary, and voted for Trump -- conservatives because he's their anti-Democratic savior and illiberal-lefters hoping to destroy both evil parties -- have become extremist in their views. Those who were ever "moderate," conservative or liberal, probably not many, are far down the extremism rabbit hole now. For both sides, it's developed the strength of religious faith.

Conversely, there are a lot more previously moderate conservatives who, mostly because they were conservative and were Republicans, the promise of SCOTUS appointments, etc, did the extreme thing of voting for fascistic, criminal, disordered Trump against equality and chicken in every pot Hillary, but who can't justify it to themselves now. And are wondering what to do.

Those are the ones our nation desperately needs to finally break away.

[brooklynite]

24. Yes: that's how we won the House in 2018

As angry as you are with Trump voters in aggregate,lumping them all together in the racist/sexist/misogynist bucket is a bad start to developing an informed strategy to win in 2020.

[marlakay]

33. Sigh my younger daughter and husband

Who is officer in military both moderates, would vote for Biden.

Difference with them though is they won’t vote for Trump, against their morals. They voted for Hillary too.

For them its about money even though they don’t make enough for it to matter.

She won’t let me talk to her about politics so I stopped years ago.

[ritapria]

2. Most "moderate" Republicans are going to vote for their rising stock portfolios

Which means they will vote to re-elect Trump ...If the stock market tanks between now and Election Day , then all bets are off .. There are not many moderate Republicans left to fight for …..Trump is supported by roughly 90% of Republicans in every poll I've seen … Before the 2016 election , Chuck Schumer said that for every working class vote we lose to Trump in Pa; we'll gain 2 moderate Republican voters in the Philly suburbs .. Oops ………….. We need a big turnout amongst Latinos , African-Americans, working class voters , and young people ….We need the 1.4 million voters who supported Jill Stein to return to the Democratic Fold …. We need millions of new voters … In Round 1 of the La. Governors Race this year , Dem candidates received 47% of the vote ...Why ? . The base did not show up ….In the runoff, Gov Bel-Edwards was re-elected with over 51.3% of the vote ...Why ?.. The base showed up ... This isn't rocket science . folks

[tiredtoo]

3. SO you are suggesting we let the republicans pick the president again? EOM

[jalan48]

28. Sounds that way to me. Odd considering over 90 million eligible voters didn't even vote in 2016

[jcgoldie]

57. Right! If we let republicans pick the Democratic nominee we can't lose!

Makes perfect sense!

[regnaD kciN]

4. So, you're saying a Republican who voted Democratic in 2016 will vote Democratic again...

...but only if a centrist is the nominee like last time?

Don't get me wrong: any Republican willing to cross party lines against 45 is welcome. But this isn't exactly expanding our voter base over the last time; your friend may have voted for Clinton, and maybe some other moderate Republicans did the same, but that didn't result in a Democratic victory then, and won't be enough, in and of itself, to do so next year.

[Tipperary]

5. No offense, but if you do not want your ex to know who

you are, you might want to edit out out all that personal info you included.i would think anyone who knows you well would recognize you from that description you gave. Just a thought

[billpolonsky]

6. Sounds like a bunch of....

...Malarkey.

[videohead5]

7. If Democrats don't stay at home or

Vote for a 3rd party. There is no way Trump can win. Comey is the only reason Trump is president anyway. The Russian propaganda did not help but Comey's letter in the end is what done it.

[masmdu]

8. 3 NC Trump voters I know wanted Bernie in 2016

But when Bernie wasn't the nominee they voted Trump. Currently, these same people want Bernie again.

[Demsrule86]

20. If they don't get him, will they vote Trump again?

[Cha]

49. Right.. after #45IMPEACHED has shown who he is for

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4 years.. BS & he are interchangeable? I don't think so.

Do they care about our Planet?

[Demsrule86]

53. If they cared about the planet, they wouldnt have voted for him the first time.

[Cha]

54. Yeah, I know.. but 45IMPEACHED LIED about

Everything.. and too many were sucked in... stein and ssarandon lied to their followers that he and Hillary were the same. SS said Hillary was "worse".. so those types have had 4 years to find out what Liars they are.

[pecosbob]

9. Vote your conscience in the primary and vote Dem in the general

Enough said.

[Vogon_Glory]

10. I hope your friend and others like her follows through, but

After November 2016, my belief that moderate Republican voters will do the right thing for the good of the country has been seriously impaired.

[Demsrule86]

19. Well after 2018 midterms, my belief that moderate Republicans will do the right thing has increased.

We won in areas that Trump carried by double digits...it gave us the house which yesterday help Trump accountable.

[MerryBlooms]

36. All moderate r's I know refuse to vote trump, but also refuse to vote Dem...

They choose 'write in' and vote r. I don't buy into any of this republicans voting for Biden spin.

[Kahuna7]

11. But...but...we keep being told by the talking heads that we don't

need republican votes and shouldn't even want them. I don't agree.

[Demsrule86]

18. The parties don't have enough of their own voters to win an election...they need independents and

in our case maybe some moderate Republicans to win...consider them Biden Republicans...like Reagan Democrats...God willing it will reshape the electorate to benefit us. If we look at the Senate, we can see how desperate our current circumstances are...it is very bleak...statehouses also.

[Kahuna7]

21. Exactly. Registered Dems and Repubs are what? About 28% each? It's

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ridiculous to pretend we should only preach to our own choir. The Joy Reid crowd is good for promoting this nonsense.

[Demsrule86]

25. She is unwatchable...as is much of MSNBC...

[NYMinute]

12. This is my experience as well n/t

[loyalsister]

23. I have heard that in local circles

Not once from a person whose opinion or political judgement I respect, though.

[Autumn]

13. Tell your friend they are an idiot and to shove their hostage vote. Anyone who thinks Trump is

better than Warren, Sanders or any Dem can fuck the fuck off.

[Demsrule86]

15. How are they different from some who say they won't vote for the nominee unless it is Warren

or Sanders...see it on twitter all the time. To me this is just another indication that Biden can win...the others no so much. This is not a base election...we need specific states...MI, WI and PA would give us an EC college win. I don't see how we get there without Biden. Also, I live in Ohio. I think based on some internal polling I have seen, that Biden could win Ohio...and if he does, Trump is finished.

[Autumn]

17. I don't go to twitter so I'm sorry you are subjected to that. nt

[Demsrule86]

26. I go there by choice...and it is entertaining at times...maddening at other times.

[Autumn]

35. It looks like a cesspool to me. Bots and hate, I can't see subjecting myself to that. nt

[Demsrule86]

48. I like it. Sometimes you have to get a little riled up.

[Autumn]

41. I really don't give a damn about any Republicans opinion, f**k em. We held the blue wall since

1988 to 2016 without Republicans. We'll do fine without them.

[Demsrule86]

44. We won't now. All of our candidates previously went to the center during the general.

That won`t be possible for Warren or Sanders.We have no path without the blue wall. WI polls are particularly troubling.

[Tipperary]

32. Thank you.

And I am not a Sanders or Warren supporter. Screw anyone who would lad vote for rump.

[Autumn]

42. It's bullshit. We are constantly told we don't need or want Independents in our party

but we need to welcome Republicans with open arms and make sure we pick a candidate who is acceptable to them.

[Demsrule86]

45. Everyone knows we need indies.

[Autumn]

58. Everyone knows? There are a lot of people who think Independents don't belong

in the party.

[ehrnst]

61. But a career politician identifying as "independent" means that....

they aren't in any party.... that's why they call themselves "independent when they vote."




I seems you are confused about the difference between how career politicians vote, contrasted if they are "in" a party or not. Or if they actually serve in elected office in any party. Why would a party want someone who thinks that serving as an elected official in a party cramps their style?

[FiveGoodMen]

37. Amen!

[PDittie]

14. "I will vote for anyone that can win"

Who in your estimation cannot win?

[Demsrule86]

16. My view is it is Biden who can win...thus I support him in the primary and he is a good guy too.

[Demsrule86]

27. I have answered that question previously...and it is to close to the election to answer it again...

I wouldn't want to hurt any candidate who wins the nomination.

[TidalWave46]

29. These things do not sway my vote at all.

I personally feel we have three candidates who cannot win. Williamson, Sanders, and Gabbard. I had Yang in this position in my mind not long ago. I am now confident he can beat Trump as well. Specially if the economy starts retracting.

[bearsfootball516]

30. My father in North Carolina is one of them.

He's been a Republican all his life. He hates Trump and wrote in Marco Rubio in the 2016 election. He told me over Thanksgiving that he would vote for Joe Biden if he gets through the primary, but if anyone else got the nomination, he would just stay home.

[Kahuna7]

31. We need those Never Trumpers to vote, not stay home. Apparently...

Biden is the Dem most likely to get republican and right leaning voters. We'll need every possible vote to win.

[FiveGoodMen]

38. Staying at home is probably best.

Then he won't be able to vote for a bunch of R's down-ticket.

[bearsfootball516]

43. Are you saying it's better for him to stay home and not vote Democratic

Than vote for Biden, even if he might select downballot republicans?

[Demsrule86]

50. Unfucking believable. Dont folks realize Trump must go or we are finished..

The progressive movement will not survive four more years of Trump. We don`t have a revolution despite stupid susan sarandon and her ilk saying so.when we elect Republicans like Trump or Reagan, we move right as a country and the courts will be 6 to 3 if Trump wins. It will take years just to get back to the center. I welcome former Trumper voters, progresives, moderates... anyone to take the orange menace down. Vote blue period.

[empedocles]

52. Seems like it should be more obvious to all here that 'trump must go' - period.

[Demsrule86]

46. What...that is not true.

We need to get Trump out period.

[Gothmog]

34. Two of republican law partners will vote for Biden

I have run into a number of Texas republicans who dislike trump but want someone that they con trust. Warren and/or sanders are not on these voters list

[cwydro]

39. Lol. Nice try.

Not fooling anyone here.

[myohmy2]

40. let her...

...vote for trump...

...we're all Communists to most republicans and trumpers...

...she's going to vote for trump no matter who we select as our candidate...we know that...

...but tell her and her friends , if they like Biden so much, become Democrats and vote for Biden in our primaries...

...bet they won't...

[Demsrule86]

47. My candidate or I don't care if we lose...that is we what I hear.

You dont turn away voters if you want to win. We need to nominate Biden because he can beat Trump.Any candidate is fine with me. Trump must go. But Biden has the best chance.

[janterry]

51. And my progressive friends will NEVER vote Biden

I'm voting for who I want to win, because second guessing the electorate is built on a sorry and insular worldview (we can only know what we see - but the country is vast and what we see is inherently biased).

[OneBro]

55. What kind of human would vote for Trump?

I wouldn’t trust ANYONE who would support or vote for Trump, and the idea that Democrats should pick a candidate with the goal of somehow luring these consistently deplorable Trump voters is nothing short of mind-numbing.

[totodeinhere]

65. More than 62 million humans voted for him in 2016.

Humans can do a lot of things.

[lark]

56. My sister is Independent, she will never vote for Sanders or Warren.

I'm working on her, keep pointing out how less evil they are than drumpf, etc. But she's a CPA and has worked for big business all her life and absolutely doesn't support $15/hr. or Medicare for All. She does like Biden & Klobuchar and would vote for either of them, but can't stand Warren or Sanders.

[aidbo]

59. If she wants to have a say in who we nominate then she should vote in the democratic primaries.

Pretty simple stuff it seems to me.

[booley]

60. I think one specific line showcases the issue

I should say she's a large republican donor, knows Senators, Congressmen, yada yada type people.
She has that kind of money and runs in those circles.

The Donors will suffer under Sanders and probably Warren. They will lose the power to dictate policy. They will still have it but it will be diminished. And that would be good. It needs to happen.

Also, Most of us do not have that kind of money.

So I don't' think she is talking for moderates so much as the donor class.

IF this is about cross over voters from the GOP, we may want to look at the ones who aren't' in the donor class.

[Gothmog]

62. Poll: GOP voters drawn to Biden more than other 2020 Democrats

Link to tweet

Republican voters are more drawn to former Vice President Joe Biden than to the rest of the candidates in the crowded Democratic presidential primary field, according to a new nationwide survey.

The Hill-HarrisX poll released Monday shows that 33 percent of GOP respondents named Biden as the Democratic candidate who came the closest to sharing their political views.

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg received the second-highest support among Republican voters at 30 percent and 28 percent thought Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) better aligned with their views.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg both garnered 26 percent of respondents who said the candidates closely shared their values.

Biden, the front-runner in most national polls, has long sought to position himself as the most electable challenger to President Trump.

[maximusveritas]

63. That was an interesting poll. Most surprising how close the candidates were on that point

Makes me wonder if some of them are confused about what party they belong to or perhaps they know nothing of Bernie Sanders to say he aligns with them.
Biden also seemed to have more Democrats say he aligned with them, particularly with black voters, which again shows his strenght there.

[totodeinhere]

64. Anecdotes likes yours are nice. But that's all they are, anecdotes. n/t