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Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:51 AM

 

When Gabbard was in the military did she have access to classified materials?

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Reply When Gabbard was in the military did she have access to classified materials? (Original post)
yardwork Dec 2019 OP
blm Dec 2019 #1
Coleman Dec 2019 #2
boomer_wv Dec 2019 #27
Baked Potato Dec 2019 #3
dware Dec 2019 #4
yardwork Dec 2019 #11
dware Dec 2019 #13
sarisataka Dec 2019 #5
hlthe2b Dec 2019 #6
sarisataka Dec 2019 #7
yardwork Dec 2019 #12
brooklynite Dec 2019 #8
yardwork Dec 2019 #10
brooklynite Dec 2019 #14
yardwork Dec 2019 #16
dware Dec 2019 #31
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marble falls Dec 2019 #17
yardwork Dec 2019 #18
marble falls Dec 2019 #19
yardwork Dec 2019 #22
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tblue37 Dec 2019 #26
dware Dec 2019 #21
marble falls Dec 2019 #28
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marble falls Dec 2019 #33
IronLionZion Dec 2019 #20
yardwork Dec 2019 #23
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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:09 AM

1. Good question

 

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:10 AM

2. As an officer, she had to have at least a SECRET clearance

 

And as an MP officer in a war zone, I'd have to say that she did have access to classified material.
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Response to Coleman (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:28 PM

27. She wasnt though.

 

Her time in Iraq was as an enlisted soldier in a medical unit. She later got a commission and was an MP, but her deployment was to Kuwait, so not a war zone.

Her access to classified information would have been minimal.
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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:36 AM

3. Even if one has a particular clearance,

 

individuals are on a “Need To Know” system. Classified materials are largely compartmentalized. She would have a clearance commensurate to her job and have access to materials generic to that job. So, yes, she could have had access to classified materials.
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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:24 AM

4. Why would you ask this?

 

Did I miss something? Is she accused of releasing classified info?
Did she actually release classified info?
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Response to dware (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:25 PM

11. No accusations. I'm asking a question.

 

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Response to yardwork (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:45 PM

13. Ok.

 

I was just curious if I had missed something about her possibly releasing classified info.
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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:00 AM

5. Given her known background,

 

I do not see how she would not have had access to classified information. As an NCO in an MP unit I had access to certain classified information.

What does it matter?
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:12 AM

6. I doubt that is so much an issue as her Congressional access. Fortunately she's not on Intelligence,

 

but she has access to a lot of sensitive information given her committee assignments:
Committees:

House Committee on Financial Services
Subcommittee on National Security, International Development, and Monetary Policy
Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion
House Committee on Armed Services
Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
Subcommittee on Readiness


That said, with Trump as a direct conduit to Putin, aided and abetted by Nunes et al, any mistrust I have for Tulsi pales in comparison.
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:21 AM

7. I cannot count all the times while in service,

 

After properly handling sensitive information about deployments we would then turn and as we watched some politician reveal the information on TV.

Her current access is far greater than what it was but, as you note, the main leak of classified information is coming from a higher position.
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:26 PM

12. That's very helpful insight. Thanks.

 

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:27 AM

8. Are you insinuating that she stole/copies/gave away such documents?

 

If so, provide evidence.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 01:25 PM

10. Not insinuating anything. Asking a question. This is a discussion board.

 

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Response to yardwork (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 02:53 PM

14. Pete Buttigieg served in the military, but you don't seem interested. I wonder why?

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:02 PM

16. Well, why do you think that might be?

 

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Response to yardwork (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:52 PM

31. Well, why don't you explain it to us?

 



Or is this just an attempted slur on her military record?
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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 12:31 PM

9. She's still in the ARNG

 

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:03 PM

15. Probably. She holds the rank of Major

 

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:05 AM

17. Probably, so what? What are you driving at? There is no no indication that her sevice in the Arrmy..

 

has been anything but honorable.

I question her vote yesterday, but I thank her for her long military service.
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Response to marble falls (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 07:44 AM

18. Don't be silly. There are lots of dishonest people in the world.

 

Why would you assume that Gabbard is honorable. She blatantly lies - let's start with that. She's clearly being paid to help get Trump re-elected. Not very honorable, eh?

When somebody tells you who they are, believe them.
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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:35 AM

19. Don't you be silly. 99.9% of those who get to be an active Major even in the ...

 

reserve have something right going for them even if like Lindsey Graham, should never ever be POTUS.

There's a huge list of military vets who honorably serve/served who shouldn't ever be POTUS. Gabbard is only one of them. I'm a vet, I should never ever be POTUS, got any aspersions about my service you want to toss my way?
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Response to marble falls (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:54 PM

22. I'm not talking about you or anybody but Gabbard. She is demonstrably not honorable.

 

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Response to yardwork (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:50 PM

25. In political life, I happen to think you're right. But she's honorably served ...

 

in the armed forces and there's absolutely no indication she has ever violated her oath or compromised security in any sort of way. In my mind she's playing a stupid game to be be POTUS by playing to conservative Democrats/anti-impeachment Democrats.

There's enough golden opportunities to consider for not voting for her, I don't need any false narrative as pretext for some sort of "lock her up" type sentiments.

Its ugly when they do it and we are much better than that.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:59 PM

26. Actually, becoming an officer is more about Jill my through the right hoops and not

 

rocking the boat.
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Response to yardwork (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:32 AM

21. Is there ANY indication that she has been dishonest or dishonorable about her military service?

 

I just find it odd that you would ask this question without any explanation as to why you're asking this question.
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Response to dware (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:41 PM

28. Because someone is sullying her service with unfounded claims of crimes...

 

Its rat fuckery. I won't stand for it done to me or to any of my honorably serving/having served brothers or sisters. I don't have to like her to respect her service.

Don't get me wrong: I hope she is primaried and beaten buy a better Democratic candidate in her district over her shameful "present" vote. I don't anticipate her making it through the Presidential primaries either and I think that will be a good thing.

There's enough wrong with her politics that we surely don't need to gin up serious lies about her abusing her security clearances.

Some people are good soldiers and terrible politicians, what can I say.
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Response to marble falls (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:45 PM

29. I think you hit the nail on the head,

 

else why would this person ask such a question.

It's very distasteful to do such a thing and I would think as Dems, we are better than this, although it would seem some are not.
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Response to dware (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 06:07 PM

33. Thats the thing right there: we are better than they are.

 

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:25 AM

20. Yes, and as a Congresswoman she has access to much more

 

She's currently a Major in the Hawaii Army National Guard but as a Congresswoman she gets intel briefings.

Her committee assignments:

Committee on Homeland Security (2013–2014)
Subcommittee on Border and Maritime Security[118][119][120]
Committee on Armed Services (2013–)
Subcommittee on Readiness
Subcommittee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities
Committee on Foreign Affairs (2013–2019)
Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific
Subcommittee on the Middle East and North Africa
Committee on Financial Services (2019–)
Subcommittee on National Security, International Development and Monetary Policy
Subcommittee on Diversity and Inclusion
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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:56 PM

23. Yes, somebody else made that point upthread. Thanks.

 

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:30 PM

24. That's a great question.

 

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:49 PM

30. Why is it a great question?

 

Is there any indication that she violated her security clearance?
Is there any proof that she passed on any classified information?

So far, the OP hasn't explained why such a question would be asked, therefore, I would conclude that he, she is just trying to throw shit and see where it lands without any proof of misconduct.

It's dishonest and dishonorable ask such a question without any proof of misconduct.
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Response to dware (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 06:06 PM

32. Whatevs.

 

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Response to greatauntoftriplets (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 06:07 PM

34. Wow!!!!

 

That was a well thought out answer.
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