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hlthe2b

(101,729 posts)
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 06:52 AM Mar 2019

The potential reality of a full Trump Term and its impact on how we think of our 2020 candidates

The potential reality of a full Trump term should immediately rule out any candidate in 2020 who doesn’t have the legislative experience to be going at 100 mph on Day 1.


A good point made IMO. I would add to legislative experience, the full understanding of Federal agencies and the dismantling Trump has wrought



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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The potential reality of a full Trump Term and its impact on how we think of our 2020 candidates (Original Post) hlthe2b Mar 2019 OP
Great reason for Democrats to pick Joe Biden for 2020. democratisphere Mar 2019 #1
that may be what decides me for biden rampartc Mar 2019 #2
I would almost certainly have decided for Buttigieg if not for this issue dsc Mar 2019 #3
You have made me rethink the candidates. katmondoo Mar 2019 #4
I don't think having legislative experience is the key here. marylandblue Mar 2019 #5
That was the argument for Hillary in 2008. crazytown Mar 2019 #6
2016 was following 8 constructive years. 2020 wlll be the equivalent of 2 decades of DESTRUCTION hlthe2b Mar 2019 #7
W was 8 constructive years? crazytown Mar 2019 #8
Hillary ran to replace Obama after 8 successful years. She was the Presidential nominee in '16 hlthe2b Mar 2019 #11
Ready from day 1 was Hillary's slogan in 2008. crazytown Mar 2019 #12
Where did I suggest an older candidate or ANY candidate? hlthe2b Mar 2019 #13
OK, you tell me crazytown Mar 2019 #14
Figure it out yourself. hlthe2b Mar 2019 #15
More than one? crazytown Mar 2019 #16
I think there are a lot of candidates--not all with identical experience, but relevent experience hlthe2b Mar 2019 #17
Every candidate we have would be ready to hit the ground at 100 mph on Day 1. Autumn Mar 2019 #9
Saying we need relevent experience to counter the damage from Trump on Day 1 is "wrong"? hlthe2b Mar 2019 #18
Every candidate we have would be ready to hit the ground at 100 mph on Day 1. Autumn Mar 2019 #19
No, saying that relevent experience in vital areas is a critical consideration is not wrong. hlthe2b Mar 2019 #20
I've been assuming we were running against Trump all along. marylandblue Mar 2019 #10
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
1. Great reason for Democrats to pick Joe Biden for 2020.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 07:16 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

rampartc

(5,264 posts)
2. that may be what decides me for biden
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 07:23 AM
Mar 2019

trump has also devastated our doplomatic relations, and most of our candidates are more interested in domestic policy. both need rebuilding.

biden is the guy most likely to know the best people to restore both areas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dsc

(52,130 posts)
3. I would almost certainly have decided for Buttigieg if not for this issue
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:01 AM
Mar 2019

I just don't think we can have an inexperience person follow Trump. At best the person who follows him will have a fairly narrow house majority, a very narrow Senate majority, and a 5-4 Supreme Court against him or her. It will take everything we have to get even 1/2 of what Trump will have done, undone in a term.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
4. You have made me rethink the candidates.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:28 AM
Mar 2019

The world is laughing at us. It will take a lot of experience to get us back to a reasonable way of dealing with our allies, they have lost trust in us almost completely. Between Bush, Reagan and Trump this will be hard to repair.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. I don't think having legislative experience is the key here.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:38 AM
Mar 2019

It's more important to have an ambitious plan that they will introduce from Day 1, like FDR did.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
6. That was the argument for Hillary in 2008.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:49 AM
Mar 2019
Ready from Day 1. Obama hadn’t even served out one term. Too risky. So, “immediately rule out” is the sort of absolutism history abhors. The future is yet to be written.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,729 posts)
7. 2016 was following 8 constructive years. 2020 wlll be the equivalent of 2 decades of DESTRUCTION
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:56 AM
Mar 2019

Last edited Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:02 AM - Edit history (1)

Hardly the same at all...

Edited to correct an important typo in the title. 2016, not 2008.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
8. W was 8 constructive years?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:57 AM
Mar 2019

Um. What do you mean?

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hlthe2b

(101,729 posts)
11. Hillary ran to replace Obama after 8 successful years. She was the Presidential nominee in '16
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:59 AM
Mar 2019

not 2008.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
12. Ready from day 1 was Hillary's slogan in 2008.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:40 AM
Mar 2019

The argument at that time was Obama, not having served even one federal term, was inexperienced.

No Democrat older than 52 has won the Presidency back from the republicans for more than 100 years. Three were Governors - FDR, Carter, WJC. Two were Senators, JFK, Obama. The only VP to try, Mondale in 1984, lead the Democrats to a catastrophicdespite Reagan’s mixed record.

The future is made to be written. You can suggest an older candidate is the way to go, but the burden of proof is on you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,729 posts)
13. Where did I suggest an older candidate or ANY candidate?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:43 AM
Mar 2019

I'm waiting.

I did NOTHING of the kind. I discussed a tweet that discusses the need for relevant experience to hit the ground running. Apparently, you correlate that experience only with age. I said nothing of the kind.

Undecided actually means undecided, but I certainly wouldn't rule out anyone based solely on age--whether older or younger. We DO need a prepared nominee. Perhaps rereading the OP will help.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
14. OK, you tell me
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:51 AM
Mar 2019

Which candidates have the legislative experience and full understanding of Federal agencies to get going at 100 mph on Day 1 dismantling Trump’s legacy?

Is there more than one?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,729 posts)
15. Figure it out yourself.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:56 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(101,729 posts)
17. I think there are a lot of candidates--not all with identical experience, but relevent experience
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:13 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
9. Every candidate we have would be ready to hit the ground at 100 mph on Day 1.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:05 AM
Mar 2019

Last edited Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Every. Single. One. Of. Them. The jackass tweet whisperer is wrong, as usual.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,729 posts)
18. Saying we need relevent experience to counter the damage from Trump on Day 1 is "wrong"?
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:14 PM
Mar 2019

Really?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(44,762 posts)
19. Every candidate we have would be ready to hit the ground at 100 mph on Day 1.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:52 PM
Mar 2019

Every. Single. One. Of. Them. The jackass tweet whisperer is wrong, as usual. That was my post.
You want to tell me which one one needs to be ruled out that doesn’t have the legislative experience to be going at 100 mph on Day 1?

The potential reality of a full Trump term should immediately rule out any candidate in 2020 who doesn’t have the legislative experience to be going at 100 mph on Day 1.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(101,729 posts)
20. No, saying that relevent experience in vital areas is a critical consideration is not wrong.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:58 PM
Mar 2019

I think all (well, nearly all) of our candidates have the ability needed and thus will be ready on day 1, but using those criteria, it does help weigh them relative to each other. Getting us quickly back on track is PARAMOUNT and the candidates DO vary in how prepared they are to do so. We only get one shot at this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
10. I've been assuming we were running against Trump all along.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:33 AM
Mar 2019

And before we get to Day 1 we have to win. Trump will and pals will run a relentlessly negative campaign. Who can best withstand it? Not the one one with the fewest negatives, because Trump.will make stuff up and run with it if he must. Who will be best at shutting that down?

My assessment is that Buttigieg would be best, because he has clear answers about his weak points and turns conversations around to values and policies.

Klobuchar did a decent job of turning around attacks on how she treats staff, but it didn't help her in the polls.

Biden has a glass jaw. He got killed by a plagiarism scandal in 1988. Has he learned to defend himself better since then?

Sanders seems to give as good as he gets. That could work.

Warren handled the Indian thing badly Disqualifying in my view. That and more would come back to haunt her.

I'm not sure about Harris yet.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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