Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWarren slammed Buttigieg for fundraiser in wine cave with a crystal chandelier. In 2018, she
was helped by a fundraiser at a steakhouse with crystal chandeliers, where the cheesesteak is $120.
NY Times article mentioning the fundraiser and menu:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020.html
More on Barclay Prime here, mentioning the crystal chandeliers:
https://www.phillyvoice.com/barclay-prime-philadelphia-top-steakhouse-united-states/
Anyway, this is why Buttigieg was bringing up purity tests, and Warren's ignoring her own past fundraising.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,267 posts)go after one another, it usually backfires, often on the one who is attacking.
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kacekwl
(7,013 posts)To mention in the 1st place. Sadly the only way to compete is to raise money. They all have to do it.
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PatSeg
(47,267 posts)For every attack, there will be a counter-attack, as no one is perfect. It can end up being a vicious cycle where no one wins, but they will look petty and mean, not very presidential. Save the attack dog for Trump. Meanwhile, if one becomes the nominee, the other will have to walk back their accusations, not a very becoming sight.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Time for all to join the progressive revolution!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
at140
(6,110 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onecaliberal
(32,777 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bleacher Creature
(11,252 posts)With the exception of Gabbard, all of our candidates are pretty great and I'll be proud to support any of them in the general.
The only person who benefits from this sniping is that orange pig.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onecaliberal
(32,777 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,010 posts)No self-restraint when it comes to Warren. Been like that for months.
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BeyondGeography
(39,347 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)Go Pete.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onecaliberal
(32,777 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)You have no idea what I have listened to or not. Your assumptions are your assumptions.
By the way, my candidate is doing just fine.
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onecaliberal
(32,777 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,672 posts)It's part of the process.
It's not for the faint of heart.
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Cha
(296,848 posts)I hate those purity tests on $$$$$.
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highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)Or rather, it was a fight about high-dollar fundraisers, political access, and who gets to have it.
I'm sure they won't be.. that's what the Primaries are FOR.
Buttigieg responded by arguing that hes not going to turn down money from wealthier donors, and that high-dollar fundraisers would be an essential part of beating President Donald Trump in the general election. He also brought up Warrens personal wealth, and later, her past closed-door fundraisers as a Senate candidate:
Wow.. Thank you for the article, hpd!
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:24 AM - Edit history (1)
The Buttigieg venue is the epitome of ostentatious wealth. Hardly comparable to an upmarket steakhouse.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)fundraisers were what Warren now derides as "swanky" and she was quite happy to fundraise at swanky venues through last year, until she moved millions raised that way for her senate campaign over to her presidential campaign, giving herself a fundraising head start, and then insisted that her rivals swear off that sort of fundraiser.
Buttigieg was right to point this out.
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Virginiaboy154
(5 posts)They are both Wine Track Dems with a metropolitan voter base. This doesnt look good for Sen Warren. She needs to back to her plans
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Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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RestoreAmerica2020
(3,434 posts).shirt and tie; or is it relaying to others a message say..I'm just an average guy, or is it a young guy kinda of thing?
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Hav
(5,969 posts)The venue looks nice but not over the top.
As for the clothing, look at several of the other guests. Some with sweaters/jerseys, another one with shorts.
This wasn't the typical billionaire meeting that some want to make out of it.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)What's the ostentatious part?
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)The lighting is pretty, but the space looks pretty simple and plain to my eyes.
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)Decorating your 'church' with 1,500 Swarovski Crystals is pretty unambiguous .
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The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)And some tables and some wine and the place would look positively plutocratic. LOL.
This stuff is silly as hell.
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betsuni
(25,380 posts)It IS silly as hell. Embarrassing.
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betsuni
(25,380 posts)Please list Democrats who have changed their policies because of campaign contributions.
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at140
(6,110 posts)For the candidate who has secured less financial success than all other candidates,
that wine cave looks out of character.
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myohmy2
(3,139 posts)Billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the United States, Warren responded.
...I can't argue with that...
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...think about it...
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PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
zaj
(3,433 posts)$100 + $20 for a meal.
Or monthly $10 payments for a year?
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The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)Too bad.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)The cheesesteak is mostly a joke to get attention, though I remember seeing a guy order it once.
Not the best steakhouse in Philly (that's "the prime rib" in Rittenhouse), but it does big events well.
Also: it's way too early in the primary season for this bullshit.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)$16 to $25, soup is $18, salad starts at $13, sides range from $11 for tater tots or whipped potatoes to $18 for truffle mac and cheese, and the non-steak entrees range from $32 for roast chicken to $85 for lobster. The raw bar & seafood cocktails part of the dinner menu includes shrimp cocktail at $21 or $28 and caviar at over $200/ounce.
There's no way that's a typical steakhouse.
https://barclayprime.com/menus/dinner/
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crazytown
(7,277 posts)NY Strip 16 oz. 54
prime 28 day dry-aged
Filet Mignon 12 oz. 62
prime
Ribeye 18 oz 62
prime 28 day dry-aged
$17 is not "far and away" in my book.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Sorry, it's just not like the Palm or Le Cirque or Peter Luger.
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highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Polybius
(15,334 posts)At least about Peter Lugar's. I've been there, they are more expensive.
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highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)etc., and in each case the price per serving is about $50. Which is no more expensive than Barclay Prime, whose porterhouse for two is over $100. And Barclay Prime's Wagyu ribeye, half the size of that porterhouse so it would be steak for one, is $195.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Polybius
(15,334 posts)We got the large, 64 oz. porterhouse. It was $150, around 2005. Not sure what their Ribeye costs, but I'll let you know. I'm due to go back.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)allocate about a pound of steak per person with the porterhouse.
Btw, I saw a couple of recent reviews listing a price of $110 or $115 for the steak for two.
Again, the prices are very similar to Barclay Prime. If the $110 or $115 price for steak for 2 now is correct, they're several dollars higher for the porterhouse, but that's a negligible difference.
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Polybius
(15,334 posts)You are right, because we went with another couple and it was plenty. No idea what the price is now. I will keep this post updated with new info on pricing as I see it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)Yelp and TripAdvsor among others, but I wasn't able to compare Barclay Prime's dinner menu directly with the dinner menu for Peter Luger, the way I could with The Palm in DC.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to claim that Barclay Prime is the very most expensive steakhouse in the country. Only that it is very expensive, more expensive than most steakhouses.
It was a particularly nice venue for that Warren fundraiser.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
drray23
(7,616 posts)I've been in many steakhouses in chicago where the wagu steaks are way above the prices you are listing. About $160, then add appetizer, dessert and wine and it's easily $300 to $400 per person.
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highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)steak. Appetizers, salads, sides, dessert and of course drinks are extra.
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DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)respectively. That's a lot of steak.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's not even the most expensive in Philly.
And, I repeat, it's way too early in the primary season for bullshit like this.
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blm
(113,010 posts)You better not eat at a good sushi restaurant in LA - if you do bring a mop for the tears.
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BlueTsunami2018
(3,483 posts)Longhorn and Outback are commercial chain restaurants, they arent authentic steakhouses. That menu you put up is pretty typical of a fine dining experience. Theres a tremendous difference in quality and thats what you pay for.
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highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueTsunami2018
(3,483 posts)I took my wife to Del Friscos for a special occasion once. It was over $300 with tip. Worth every penny but its not something Ill be doing again soon unfortunately. The lobster mac and cheese was exquisite.
What are we arguing about again?
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highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)now. And that she was doing this just last year.
Buttigieg made a similar point during the debate last night, but I wanted to add some of the details I'd remembered reading earlier this year.
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BlueTsunami2018
(3,483 posts)I dont see how candidates sniping at each other over this sort of thing helps at all. You have to fundraise in order to compete. Must every candidate eat gruel, wear sackcloth and go unshod to be authentic? Much of the time, were our own worst enemy with this need to appear pristine.
Its dumb.
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drray23
(7,616 posts)Like NY or Chicago or DC. $45.00 a steak is nothing. All the other prices you listed are common for nice restaurants in any of these cities.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)This isn't Bogie's in Boston or le Cirque in NYC or the Palm in DC, where you aren't getting out of there for less than $200 per cover. This is a good steakhouse, better than something like Ruth's Chris, but not one of the really expensive ones.
And it is still way too early in the primaries for bullshit like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)The 12-ounce filet mignon is $58 at The Palm and $62 at Barclay Prime.
The Palm has a NY strip, 14 ounce, for $53, 18 ounce for $59.
Barclay Prime has a 16 ounce NY strip for $54 and a 20 ounce for $63.
Tne most expensive steak at The Palm is a 36 ounce NY strip for $104.50, which the menu points out is intended for two.
The most expensive steaks at Barclay Prime are a 32 ounce Porterhouse for $105, and then the Wagyu beef selections, which are $84 for an 8 ounce filet mignon, $140 for a 10 ounce NY strip, and $195 for an 18 ounce ribeye.
Try again to prove that site for Warren's fundraiser wasn't "even close to a really expensive steakhouse."
You can find the menu for The Palm in DC here:
https://www.thepalm.com/menus/?menu=dinner
I've already posted the link for the Barclay Prime menu.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)Thanks for playing
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highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)commenting on the subject she brought up, and how that criticism also applies to her.
But you could be right that Warren making a fuss about this to tear down other candidates when she isn't above similar criticism does hurt the party.
Kudos to Mayor Pete for how he responded to her.
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blm
(113,010 posts)of some antiWarren posters.
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sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I have one. Paid 75 dollars for it in an antique shop.
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Virginiaboy154
(5 posts)This is ridiculous. I am going to bet Sen Warren knows her way around a fabulous steakhouse a bottle of wine cheesecake and a chandelier. I sure hope so.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
question everything
(47,434 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopdiggin
(11,242 posts)this might play well with some supporters (I guess that was the obvious "play" here) .. but I think it is another misstep on the part of Warren and her campaign.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,912 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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at140
(6,110 posts)I am jealous the rich Billionaires got invited, but not a reliable voter like me.
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,380 posts)Is Pete beholden to Big Wine now?
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wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,380 posts)Why shouldn't every American be able to do this if they want to and can?
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Hav
(5,969 posts)This is just buzzword bingo and half of those who throw around these buzzwords don't even know what these words mean.
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redqueen
(115,103 posts)Craig Hall.
He seems like a nice guy.
Can you imagine $111,000 being all the capital that you needed to start a health maintenance organization? he says. It actually worked. Made a lot of money. Went public. That was fun because my $111,000 turned into $35 million.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,380 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)so there's that.
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betsuni
(25,380 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)ol·i·garch (/ˈäləˌɡärk/)
noun
1. a ruler in an oligarchy.
2. (especially in Russia) a very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence.
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at140
(6,110 posts)PAC's and PAC's can support any candidate of their choice.
So go ahead and set up a PAC and so long as you do not coordinate directly with the candidate,
you can spend unlimited funds for Ads favoring candidate(s) of your choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)(especially in Russia) a very rich business leader with a great deal of political influence.
So now every rich person is supposed to be an oligarch? Not every rich person has a passion for power.
Believe or not I know some really rich people that have good hearts and vote Democratic.
If they want to give Pete or Elizabeth a bunch of dough, let them.
Not every politician is selling access. Some are actually concerned Americans.
When are we going to realize its not about what rich people have. Its about what we dont have.
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wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Like they're a protected class or something
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LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)And yea I am defending rich people. Not all of them are money grabbing ass wads.
I might say to you. Look at all the people condemning wealth and calling every rich person an oligarch. Even if they are hard working people who earned every bit of their money legally and treated folks well along the way.
You sound jealous more than political.
Yep, I wish I was wealthy, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Then there are those like Martin Shikreli who came from humble backgrounds, but got rich by doing things that should be illegal, like profiting off the current healthcare system you want to defend to the death.
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LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)I refuse to use Warren and Sanders broad brush labeling. They both have tons of money and both have a lot of political influence.
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LakeArenal
(28,802 posts)When I retired I had to sell every possession and move to a much cheaper environment.
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wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)try again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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betsuni
(25,380 posts)CANAPES!???? So tired of Democrats being called corrupt elites because they accept money to pay for their campaigns. It's stupid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)nobody has any room to talk. It wasn't behind closed doors.. it was in a "CAVE"! lol!
I see no reports of said "canapes"..
The Warren-Buttigieg wine cave controversy, explained
https://www.vox.com/2019/12/19/21030966/warren-buttigieg-wine-caves-explained
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,380 posts)"They may have not donated to you in order to buy your support going forward, but because you've been supporting their good cause all along. And more often than not, you're not meeting with them because of a check they wrote, but rather because you're on the same team."
I hate this cynical everything's-corrupt-and-rigged-and-oligarchs nonsense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)Thank you for Al Franken's view, betsuni
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betsuni
(25,380 posts)I wonder if they really think that saying something over and over makes it true.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)"I know it doesn't look good, he's a friend of ours. But there is a reason he's a friend of ours."
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YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)It's all a bit too ostentatious for middle America.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)"How Elizabeth Warren Raised Big Money Before She Denounced Big Money"
People change and evolve, while some still cling to the big money circuit. Imagine that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
still_one
(92,061 posts)Buttigieg effectively said it is foolhardy not to accept help from a fundraiser from wealthy donors who want to join the fight.
"In response, Buttigieg pointed out that he is personally less wealthy than the other candidates on stage, including Warren. I am literally the only person on this stage whos not a millionaire or a billionaire, he said, citing a Forbes analysis. He then shot back by warning that Democrats could lose to Trump if they declined to accept help from those who are willing to join in the fight. Warren herself, Buttigieg noted, held closed-door fundraisers when she campaigned for the Senate and transferred some of that money from her 2018 Senate account to support her 2020 presidential bid."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democratic-debate-2020-buttigieg-attacks_n_5dfc19aae4b05b08bab28b1a
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Cha
(296,848 posts)makes so much sense!
Down with purity tests.. They've already given us too much grief
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madaboutharry
(40,190 posts)Elizabeth Warren needs to stop pretending shes not a millionaire.
She isnt doing herself any good by looking disingenuous.
Obama also recently talked about purity tests hurting the party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)like the useless "purity" tests. They've given us so much grief.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Hard to say that is something she used to do. Not that I care. I would probably be voting for her if she didnt say she was going to limit the scope of her fundraising.
Sanders is currently doing this. Wasnt long ago he met a group of multimillionaires at a restaurant where there were items on the menu for $190.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sagesnow
(2,824 posts)stopped taking the dark money that is totally corrupting our Democracy. The other corporate pandering Democrats need to follow suit. How can you vote to protect the environment and provide affordable health care when you are taking beaucoup bucks from Gas and Insurance companies???
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Valley Below
(1,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,605 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
madville
(7,404 posts)Its hilarious that someone worth 12 million is running around talking about evil billionaires and millionaires. If she donates to a political candidate are they being influenced by a multimillionaire?
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brooklynite
(94,350 posts)...was I supposed to ask for special favors? And can I still put in a request?
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Happy Hoosier
(7,219 posts)Ive been leaning towards her, but I was unimpressed last night. she is getting bad advice, IMO.
Amy is a bit too centrist for me, but she impressed me last night.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Not a good look IMO.
I seriously doubt those in the wine cave were billionaires anyway, but even if they were... good!
Give me your billionaires, and millionaires and all your airs. I want all the money for Democrats.
Money only corrupts the corruptible. None of our top candidates are in that category.
BEAT TRUMP
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's a typical (arguably effective) applause line used by candidates to give opponents and proponents the opportunity to make and take cheap shots.
That said, it's got me obsessing over cheese-steaks, and I'm pretty sure I know what dinner will be tonight.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)I was disappointed.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)tax designed to make those who profit from healthcare help pay for it.
And dont get me started on her Economic Patriotism junk, and her criticism of Obama and Clinton right up to 2016 general election that helped give us trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)an ethical nor a legal issue in Pete's wine cellar fundraiser. Warren won't get her mojo back by being the purity police.
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Cha
(296,848 posts)I hate the bogus purity contests that have already brought us so much grief.
I wish she never would have gone down this Sanders road..
Cory Booker didn't like Warren's "wine cave" attack on Buttigieg
Seconds after Warren and Pete finished up, Sanders swooped in to boast that he is the only candidate up here that doesnt have any billionaire contributions, which includes Warren. Her current presidential campaign, not her old pre-pledge Senate campaign, has accepted donations at or near the $2800 individual contribution limit from at least six billionaires.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287388461
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden