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mahina

(17,625 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:45 AM Dec 2019

So Cory Booker isn't in the debate but Steyer is?

Going hana hou this thing in the right forum. Mahalo.

That’s bananas. Rules, ok, I understand and Tom is a decent if in my view misguided guy.

No black or Hispanic person though we have committed and experienced candidates of color.

You guys probably all knew this was coming but I don’t have as much time for news as I used to have. Have to say this feels distressing to me.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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So Cory Booker isn't in the debate but Steyer is? (Original Post) mahina Dec 2019 OP
I feel exactly the same. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #1
Right? mahina Dec 2019 #2
Wtf??? Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #7
It's called "the gold" rule. JoeOtterbein Dec 2019 #3
Yet we are subject to regular threads about all the "gold" Sen. Sanders campaign has raked in. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #15
I know. Weird. NurseJackie Dec 2019 #4
Steyer could have been left off boomer_wv Dec 2019 #5
When would it be "fair"? brooklynite Dec 2019 #6
I saw a suggestion that racially biased polling methods help keep Booker and Castro out caraher Dec 2019 #8
Racially biased polling methods? nsd Dec 2019 #9
"Mainstream polls significantly undersample people of color and oversample white people" caraher Dec 2019 #10
Where did you see that, Common Dreams? BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #14
Washington Post caraher Dec 2019 #16
Should we lower the standards for certain ethnic groups? Jose Garcia Dec 2019 #11
It's worth checking whether the standards are implemented fairly caraher Dec 2019 #17
Stinks, doesn't it? Booker will learn from his mistakes Hortensis Dec 2019 #12
To me it feels like the rules were followed and that's how it broke. BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #13
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
1. I feel exactly the same.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:46 AM
Dec 2019

Messed. Up.

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mahina

(17,625 posts)
2. Right?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:53 AM
Dec 2019

Especially when I read he is using hisvimpeachment donations to qualify

That’s some bullshit.

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JoeOtterbein

(7,699 posts)
3. It's called "the gold" rule.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:55 AM
Dec 2019

Those who have gold "rule".

(true but disgraceful in late 2019)

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
15. Yet we are subject to regular threads about all the "gold" Sen. Sanders campaign has raked in.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:43 PM
Dec 2019

And that money somehow isn't viewed as "disgraceful."

Double standards?

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boomer_wv

(673 posts)
5. Steyer could have been left off
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:57 AM
Dec 2019

but I don't see an argument for Booker to be on the stage. He's been running for President for a year and he's still unable to be more than a footnote in polling. He doesn't have a path to the nomination in reality and there's no reason for him to remain in this race.

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brooklynite

(94,383 posts)
6. When would it be "fair"?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:02 AM
Dec 2019

At some point he’ll lose. He’s been in as long as everyone else and hasn’t been an appealing candidate.

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caraher

(6,278 posts)
8. I saw a suggestion that racially biased polling methods help keep Booker and Castro out
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:08 AM
Dec 2019

I didn't read the story. But it's very hard to find anything in the levels of support Yang and Steyer have received that would place them on a distinctly higher tier than Booker and Castro.

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nsd

(2,406 posts)
9. Racially biased polling methods?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 04:49 AM
Dec 2019

What do you mean?

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caraher

(6,278 posts)
10. "Mainstream polls significantly undersample people of color and oversample white people"
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:30 PM
Dec 2019
Would Booker and Castro be in tonight’s debate if polls counted people of color accurately?

But we’re not seeing that in the polls. Current polling methods don’t accurately sample minority voters. That failure particularly skews our understanding of the Democratic electorate — and limits the candidates who will be on tonight’s debate stage.


The DNC imposes no methodological criteria on external pollsters when it comes to racial demographics or bilingual polling. It depends on individual media companies and pollsters to “get it right.”

That leaves pollsters with two accuracy problems: surveying enough nonwhites and ensuring that sample represents the full array of people of color. They don’t. For instance, none of the qualifying polls has offered the survey in any Asian languages — even though Asian Americans are expected to make up 7 percent of Democratic voters nationally. And with Latinos making up an estimated 17 percent of Democratic voters, all qualifying polls should be available in Spanish.

That’s important. Academic research suggests offering Spanish and Asian languages results in more accurate and representative voter samples. Consider the fact that in 2010, FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver concluded that Nevada polls failed to predict Harry M. Reid’s five-point victory in the Senate race partly because they didn’t offer polling in Spanish and included too few Latinos in their samples.
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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
14. Where did you see that, Common Dreams?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:42 PM
Dec 2019
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Jose Garcia

(2,588 posts)
11. Should we lower the standards for certain ethnic groups?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:36 PM
Dec 2019
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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

caraher

(6,278 posts)
17. It's worth checking whether the standards are implemented fairly
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:30 PM
Dec 2019

Dollars are dollars, but polls have few clear standards and may not accurately sample Democratic primary voters.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Stinks, doesn't it? Booker will learn from his mistakes
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:37 PM
Dec 2019

and hopefully do better next time. Hopefully there will be no next time for Steyer.

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BannonsLiver

(16,313 posts)
13. To me it feels like the rules were followed and that's how it broke.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:41 PM
Dec 2019

The entire “controversy” is desperately contrived.

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